Thai anti-graft panel to probe PM Yingluck

[MaiChai]

Someone has to take responsibility for the rice scheme. A budget was set for it, and the government did not manage it. Thus they ask to be allowed to borrow money. If i worked for a bank and miss managed the banks money, i would be responsible? It has to be accounted for at some point?

[poisonus]

"...a new setback to her government following weeks of mass opposition protests"....This is not a setback...This is expected.....Its' called a 'judicial coup"...It has been clear that the Elites have decided to go the Judicial route to achieve their coup-intentions....Enabling their coup using the military wasn't going to fly internationally, and working via judicial vehicles creates smoke Internationally, when outside Thailand the judiciary is considered normal.....The PTP/UDD/RS are also expecting this and see the theft of their electoral choices by these so-called Independent bodies in the same light as if there was a flaming military intervention....Their reactions will be the same......As an aside, I am hearing that the military is being used primarily as a check on the police, preventing them from managing and controlling the coup-mongers....I understand the coup-mongers are even charging fees to pass their locations, essentially creating 'toll roads'.

"It has been clear that the Elites have decided to go the Judicial route to achieve their coup-intentions"

Using physical force to prevent people from registering as election candidates, creating chaos by barricading streets, blocking access to government offices, etc does not look like going the judicial road to me. It looks much more like criminal acts.

Is such criminal activity condoned by Section 45 of the Constitution:

Section 45. A person shall enjoy the liberty to express his opinion, make speech, write, print, publicise, and make expression by other means.

...

Pure <deleted>.

The EC is not a part of the judiciary. Get your facts straight.

The protesters have every right to block undemocratic and fraudulent elections until the day comes there are mechanisms in place to prevent election fraud.

As far as all the other things going on against this tin pot dictatorship of a government, every single thing thrown at them is of their own making, where there is smoke, there is fire. If they did nothing wrong while in power, they would not even be under investigation let alone on the verge of indictment.

Stop wallowing in blind hearsay and following the red crowd in their insane defending of fraud and corruption.

If any of this shit was happening in your own native country while you lived there, you would be the first on the streets to voice your disgust.

Stop trying to take away the rights of the Thai people who want to do the same thing, it is THEIR country..... NOT YOURS!

[davehowden]

"The Washington post today calling for US Government to make clear to thailand that Suspension of aid and security co-operation is MANDATORY under US law if this Judicial Coup is successful."

So the USA won't be wanting any US bases in Thailand to combat the advance of Chinese aggression then?

Let's face it, the US will do what is good for the US (as they should), they don't really give a sh..t who is in power here, as long as they get what they want.

[webfact]

RICE SCHEME
PM under scrutiny over fake G2G deal
Petchanet Pratruengkrai
The Nation


Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra attends a meeting with 28 private sector organisations to discuss national reforms at the Royal Thai Air Force headquarters yesterday.

NACC charges 15, says Yingluck should also be held accountable as it probes her role

BANGKOK: -- In another blow to embattled caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the anti-graft agency yesterday decided to investigate her in connection with the alleged irregularities in the government's controversial rice pledging scheme.

The fact-finding committee of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) concluded that the caretaker prime minister should also be held responsible for wrongdoing involving the project, besides other suspects.

The panel found that she was aware of the losses caused by the project but failed to prevent it, NACC member Vicha Mahakhun said.

The panel will submit its report to the commissioners for further investigation.

Yingluck ducked questions from reporters on the decision.

The NACC also ruled there was no evidence substantiating the government-to-government rice deals claimed by Yingluck's government and pressed charges against former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom, former deputy commerce minister Phum Saraphon and 13 alleged accomplices.

The committee will also investigate Yingluck's alleged failure to try to stop the damage done to the country by the pledging project.

Vicha said the committee would summon the 15 suspects to explain themselves within 15 days. About nine officials from the Foreign Trade Department are involved. However, the charged officials could continue in their posts until the anti-graft body finds grounds to indict them.

Vicha said there were thousands of pages of documents and hundreds of witnesses. There are also companies involved. Of these, charges will be pressed against well-known rice trader Siam Indica, as it was named as an agent in a G2G deal to ship rice overseas for the government.

Siam Indica was suspected of selling rice that the company had won through domestic bidding instead of shipping it overseas. The firm allegedly intended to evade taxes, and the committee ordered the Revenue Department to demand back taxes.

The NACC also instructed the Foreign Trade Department to cease all activities and plans to sell rice, as it leads to corruption.

Deputy Commerce Minister Yangyong Phuangrach urged the NACC to ask trading-partner countries, as well as foreign embassies, about the contracts to balance its investigation of the case, saying they are real.

Former commerce minister Boonsong said he was prepared for the investigation. He will not allow anybody to make accusations and will discuss the matter with his legal team soon.


-- The Nation 2014-01-17

[swifty5x5]

I hope they take her out for a nice dinner before they probe her.

[LuckyLew]

Day after day ... story after story about corruption, scams and now non existant deals. Did PTP actually do anything legal while they were in power? Stunning that so many people still want them to run the country.

[Prbkk]

This has the smell of a rush to judgement by a kangaroo court all over it. Don't we wait to see the evidence before coming to conclusions, or is that not the Thai way?

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

As chairman of the National Rice Policy committee you do have responsibilities even if you were out shopping most of the time.

[poisonus]

The most fitting song for Yingluck and her scamming companions.

[pedro01]

So they just made up stories about G2G deals?

Good job perjury is no longer a crime here!

[dcutman]

This has the smell of a rush to judgement by a kangaroo court all over it. Don't we wait to see the evidence before coming to conclusions, or is that not the Thai way?

Is over a year with the evidence a rush to judgement? How long should these people be allowed to steal state funds before someone does something about it?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/600926-rice-deals-with-china-fake-thai-democrats/

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NO-CONFIDENCE DEBATE

Rice deals with China fake : opposition

The Nation

Democrats produce evidence of a dummy firm tied to govt figures

BANGKOK: -- The opposition has established a link between the government's rice-pledging scheme and massive money laundering by producing evidence of a dummy company, individuals and old ghosts like President Agri Trading and Siam Indica, which could be found involved in non-existent rice deals.

[Ozymandias]

What has reforming the senate to make it more democratic got to do with the anti-corruption commission? The institutions set up by the military in 2006 are planning another judicial coup to make Thailand ungovernable by anyone except their boys.

By democratic law the senate is without party influence, maybe you should read a bit more

By nature, Thai law is subverted and undermined by the phuu yai culture and the semi-feudal hierarchy. Maybe you should get out a bit more and experience the real Thailand, not the one represented on the page.

Presuming that you do live here, you must have had your head in the sand for years to think the law means a tinker's fart.

Yes that's the big trouble in Thailand, no law what so ever ! And that's what some want to change !!

You seem to have entirely missed the point. Laws produce no discrernible change unless they are enforced. Laws in Thailand are enforced arbitrarily when they are enforced at all. Hence my post above, which you didn't seem to understand.

[Ozymandias]

The most fitting song for Yingluck and her scamming companions.

It might be more appropriate to apply to the dwindling band of protesters.

[tomacht8]

@decutman
It is obvious where the money comes from, for his new Arisman airline.

“Facing investigation are Manat Soiploy, former director-general of the Department of Trade; former deputy commerce minister Poom Sarapol; Guangdong Stationery & Sporting Goods Import & Export Corp; Hainan Grain & Oil Industrial Trading Company; Siam Indica Co Ltd; and people linked to that company.”

Siam Indica Co Ltd is the revered Arisman's and his wife's company.

GSSG Import & Export Corp, a China-based trading firm, which bought rice from Thailand, was represented by a man who authorised a resident of Phichit's Bang Mun Nak district to sign the rice deal on his behalf, said the Democrat MP.

What this company has to do with rice?

http://www.cccme.org.cn/shop/cccme2099/index.aspx

The man was an assistant of Pheu Thai Party MP Rapeepan Pongruangrong, wife of red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong, he said.

http://assistamerica.countrywatch.com/rcountry.aspx?vcountry=170&topic=CBWIR&uid=6067023

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/686366-rice-pledging-scheme-nacc-to-probe-more-thai-officials/page-2

Edited January 17, 2014 by tomacht8

[Publicus]

What has reforming the senate to make it more democratic got to do with the anti-corruption commission? The institutions set up by the military in 2006 are planning another judicial coup to make Thailand ungovernable by anyone except their boys.

By democratic law the senate is without party influence, maybe you should read a bit more

It's been pointed out by another poster that the judiciary is involved in appointing appointed members of the Senate and also the members of the EC - and a lot of other commissions and agencies. Then the judges get to sit in judgement of the cases brought before the judiciary by the commissions and agencies.

No one within 50 meters of Suthep finds this to be the circumstance that it is, i.e., contradictory, confounding, circular - a circle of jerks.

So now the politically and legally disenfranchised are increasingly turning their attention to the judiciary.

Hang 'em High.

[scorecard]

i hope pressure keeps mounting to get rid of Taksins regime but for sure he will fight with all he can to end including if he can trying again to cause a civil war

Well done Suphet without your stand Thailand would probably never have a chance to rid itself of this evil lot

Im just praying at long last Thailand can be rid of Taksin his clan and cronies but Just Taksin will be enough since then rest will scull away to rocks they belong in

Wishful thinking.

The Country has woken up since he came on the scene. Not listing his great achievements again. they are well documented and that some of you yearn for the days when poor people were treated like dogs, had little access to education, no health care and no representation is your own affair.

Sad world that you inhabit that you could latch onto the spoutings of somebody like Suthep, see documented FACTS of 18 coups and 3-4 Judicial Coups, see documented Facts of Election results, that time and time again even under rules set out by the army and the elites that show the Democrats to be despised by most of the country. See all this and still support what is going on now.

If you don't like democracy, you can't complain about anything in that happens in the country. You are implying that everybody should lay back and let uncle Suthep take care of the money and graciously dole out and that may be spare after he has finished paying off his backers. Last time they got in, their first big move was to increase the army budget by 35%. Is that what you are hoping to see again?

The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship...

Thai's are not stupid and the North has come on in leaps and bounds. You'd all do well to stop believing they are and wake up to the fact that PT party has something to offer them as opposed to the absolute nothing they had prior to Thaksin.

You'll have us all tugging our forlocks and doffing our caps again won't you.

And you ignore the fact that reform is desperately needed to stop vote buying (by all parties), to establish more professional agencies with real teeth to fight corruption etc etc.

And you ignore the fact that the pt mob will never ever establish these things because it runs opposite to their real intent.

"You'd all do well to stop believing they are and wake up to the fact that PT party has something to offer them as opposed to the absolute nothing they had prior to Thaksin.".

Nice warm words and yes it is highly desirable that all (repeat all) Thais have good and sincere representation and all (repeat all) Thais have equal opportunities.

However I will never agree that the pt / red leaders have any sincere intent on these fronts, it's just not their purpose or aim. Their actions are the greatest and most despicable manipulation of the masses ever.

Tell me, what overriding policy has the paymasters numerous 'parties' ever announced publically, discussed by generating public debate / participation etc (with no requirement to register in advance), or activated which will have any impact whatever to bring a much better quality of life for millions of Thais, and through their own productivity?

Reform before election is the only way.

[Artisi]

"...a new setback to her government following weeks of mass opposition protests"....This is not a setback...This is expected.....Its' called a 'judicial coup"...It has been clear that the Elites have decided to go the Judicial route to achieve their coup-intentions....Enabling their coup using the military wasn't going to fly internationally, and working via judicial vehicles creates smoke Internationally, when outside Thailand the judiciary is considered normal.....The PTP/UDD/RS are also expecting this and see the theft of their electoral choices by these so-called Independent bodies in the same light as if there was a flaming military intervention....Their reactions will be the same......As an aside, I am hearing that the military is being used primarily as a check on the police, preventing them from managing and controlling the coup-mongers....I understand the coup-mongers are even charging fees to pass their locations, essentially creating 'toll roads'.

Really? A Judicial Coup?

So Yingluck sits back whilst her government fritters away $20 billion dollars whist at the same time her brothers wealth jumps by $1.1billion dollars.

No-one know where the money went, no-one knows how much rice is in storage, no-one knows what price some of the rice has been sold at.

And you don't think it even merits an investigation?

No, everything is fine, no worries - just ask the fugitives clone, that's if she not too busy with very important things like -- like ---like, bugger me can't find anything that seems important to her.

[Artisi]

dosen't she have to agree to it?

Only after approval is given by the caddie.

Edited January 17, 2014 by Artisi

[djjamie]

This has the smell of a rush to judgement by a kangaroo court all over it. Don't we wait to see the evidence before coming to conclusions, or is that not the Thai way?

No. This has been playing out over 2 years.

Wanna know what a rush to judgement is?

Chalerm stating that Akeyuth was murdered by his own driver before the police could even investigate the murder.

[tomacht8]

I hope they can clarify completely the cash flows.

About 800 Billion Baht they spend for this §$% Rice Scheme.

The profiteers are certainly not the small farmers.

The scheme was born to cheat.

With a typical corruption rate of 30% in government projects in this country, there must be around 240 Billion Baht in some pockets,
stolen from criminals from the state funds.

This money belongs to all thai people.

I hope they can at least bring back a small part.

Thailand needs an independent tax police.

Hope then can get back some of this 20 Billions:

"In the latest deal, the Chinese firm paid Bt300 per sack of rice, rather than market price of Bt1,500-Bt1,555, Varong said. Taking this into account, the men in question would make a profit of Bt20 billion. Also, he said, the rice has not gone anywhere but is being stored in Siam President's warehouse in Phichit, he said. There are some 400,000 sacks of rice in the facility, collected between May 5 and July 16, he added.

Varong went on to talk about other suspicious transactions. One involved the Bt500-million cashier's cheque issued by Somkid Ruansupa, who lives in a two-storey house in Bang Khae."

[BirdsandBooze]

This whole situation is so obviously the work of the patronage enjoying, uber privileged untouchables fuelled by their jealous obsession with the non elite, power hungry but popular Thaksin. It has never been about reform, only the terminally gullible believe true reform benefiting the ordinary citizen is the goal. This is a scrap between the 'old money' and the 'new money'.

[robblok]

Time to dispose of this government, if they were lying like this its enough for a lifetime ban in politics. Good god no G2G deals i can only imagine how high the losses are for the rice scheme. No wonder those government to government deals had to be kept secret.

And if it is so fake and they buy their own rice.. i would not be surprised if they would (as the government) sell the rice at a bit of a loss and then as buyer sell it again to the government at the higher price. Maybe I am paranoid but this is a real possibility. (Taksins enormous wealth rise anyone ??)

I wonder if there are any reds still defending the government.. probably as they now say they are all corrupt so we rather have our corrupts ones in power.

I rather see all corrupt people get punished.

[AleG]

i hope pressure keeps mounting to get rid of Taksins regime but for sure he will fight with all he can to end including if he can trying again to cause a civil war

Well done Suphet without your stand Thailand would probably never have a chance to rid itself of this evil lot

Im just praying at long last Thailand can be rid of Taksin his clan and cronies but Just Taksin will be enough since then rest will scull away to rocks they belong in

Wishful thinking.

The Country has woken up since he came on the scene. Not listing his great achievements again. they are well documented and that some of you yearn for the days when poor people were treated like dogs, had little access to education, no health care and no representation is your own affair.

Sad world that you inhabit that you could latch onto the spoutings of somebody like Suthep, see documented FACTS of 18 coups and 3-4 Judicial Coups, see documented Facts of Election results, that time and time again even under rules set out by the army and the elites that show the Democrats to be despised by most of the country. See all this and still support what is going on now.

If you don't like democracy, you can't complain about anything in that happens in the country. You are implying that everybody should lay back and let uncle Suthep take care of the money and graciously dole out and that may be spare after he has finished paying off his backers. Last time they got in, their first big move was to increase the army budget by 35%. Is that what you are hoping to see again?

The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship...

Thai's are not stupid and the North has come on in leaps and bounds. You'd all do well to stop believing they are and wake up to the fact that PT party has something to offer them as opposed to the absolute nothing they had prior to Thaksin.

You'll have us all tugging our forlocks and doffing our caps again won't you.

Isn´t it wornderful what Thaksin's propaganda and perception management campaigns have done? Any break of the law or regulations by him, his proxies or his minions and out comes the knee jerk reaction "judicial coup!" No thinking necessary, no looking at facts or questioning required, just should "judicial coup!" and that is that.

For the true believers Thaksin and his accolites are now, effectively, above the law and if you don't agree it's because you are a heartless facist who wants to see poor people kept in servitude, of course.

[Maggusoil]

When I moved up north about 7 years ago, my laptop was the only one in the village. A friend of mine was trying to start a string of educational type internet cafes and satellite based teaching systems into outlying areas.

Various government ministers fought over who should be representing him and it didn't happen as expected.

I put some money into it and it went no very far.

In the meantime there are now about 4 laptops just in our family.

The isolation is over.

The light of the internet is slowly illuminating the backwaters ignorance.

People will be more politically savvy as this happens.

[GeorgeO]

a gift from Mr. T government. Now she can be left alone to so called fight the charges. Of course at the end she will be cleared

I doubt it. This has the potential to see the dissolution of her (his) party, and given that the courts have recently started showing their teeth, it also comes with the possibility of a custodial sentence.

Of course, there is no doubt that the country would be happy to convict her on a Friday and announce that she should hand herself over to the authorities on Monday morning...!! I do believe there are several flights to Dubai over the weekend...!!

[pipkins]

i hope pressure keeps mounting to get rid of Taksins regime but for sure he will fight with all he can to end including if he can trying again to cause a civil war

Well done Suphet without your stand Thailand would probably never have a chance to rid itself of this evil lot

Im just praying at long last Thailand can be rid of Taksin his clan and cronies but Just Taksin will be enough since then rest will scull away to rocks they belong in

Wishful thinking.

The Country has woken up since he came on the scene. Not listing his great achievements again. they are well documented and that some of you yearn for the days when poor people were treated like dogs, had little access to education, no health care and no representation is your own affair.

Sad world that you inhabit that you could latch onto the spoutings of somebody like Suthep, see documented FACTS of 18 coups and 3-4 Judicial Coups, see documented Facts of Election results, that time and time again even under rules set out by the army and the elites that show the Democrats to be despised by most of the country. See all this and still support what is going on now.

If you don't like democracy, you can't complain about anything in that happens in the country. You are implying that everybody should lay back and let uncle Suthep take care of the money and graciously dole out and that may be spare after he has finished paying off his backers. Last time they got in, their first big move was to increase the army budget by 35%. Is that what you are hoping to see again?

The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship...

Thai's are not stupid and the North has come on in leaps and bounds. You'd all do well to stop believing they are and wake up to the fact that PT party has something to offer them as opposed to the absolute nothing they had prior to Thaksin.

You'll have us all tugging our forlocks and doffing our caps again won't you.

quote

"The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship..."

Sounds good but fails to explain why slowly but surely Yingluck is giving into the peoples demands. Maybe you are missing some thing.

I think she should give in to some of the demands. I'm not an abolutist here.

There is even hope she could come out of this well, if she moves a bit to the middle. Both sides must do this as there are not the numbers at the fringes on either side unless the army come in.

There is also though "out of the frying pan and into the fire" Which I believe could happen here. Bill is removed, elections called = proof that the checks and balances worked. IMHO

[robblok]

i hope pressure keeps mounting to get rid of Taksins regime but for sure he will fight with all he can to end including if he can trying again to cause a civil war

Well done Suphet without your stand Thailand would probably never have a chance to rid itself of this evil lot

Im just praying at long last Thailand can be rid of Taksin his clan and cronies but Just Taksin will be enough since then rest will scull away to rocks they belong in

Wishful thinking.

The Country has woken up since he came on the scene. Not listing his great achievements again. they are well documented and that some of you yearn for the days when poor people were treated like dogs, had little access to education, no health care and no representation is your own affair.

Sad world that you inhabit that you could latch onto the spoutings of somebody like Suthep, see documented FACTS of 18 coups and 3-4 Judicial Coups, see documented Facts of Election results, that time and time again even under rules set out by the army and the elites that show the Democrats to be despised by most of the country. See all this and still support what is going on now.

If you don't like democracy, you can't complain about anything in that happens in the country. You are implying that everybody should lay back and let uncle Suthep take care of the money and graciously dole out and that may be spare after he has finished paying off his backers. Last time they got in, their first big move was to increase the army budget by 35%. Is that what you are hoping to see again?

The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship...

Thai's are not stupid and the North has come on in leaps and bounds. You'd all do well to stop believing they are and wake up to the fact that PT party has something to offer them as opposed to the absolute nothing they had prior to Thaksin.

You'll have us all tugging our forlocks and doffing our caps again won't you.

quote

"The Irony is with all the talk of corruption and non-accountability etc. that there were checks and balanced. The current state of affairs shows clearly that an unpopular bill (The Amnesty Bill) can be gotten rid of even if it is supported by the major party Pheu thai in this case. The removal of the bill and the calling of elections, disproves all that Suthep says about them leading a dictatorship..."

Sounds good but fails to explain why slowly but surely Yingluck is giving into the peoples demands. Maybe you are missing some thing.

I think she should give in to some of the demands. I'm not an abolutist here.

There is even hope she could come out of this well, if she moves a bit to the middle. Both sides must do this as there are not the numbers at the fringes on either side unless the army come in.

There is also though "out of the frying pan and into the fire" Which I believe could happen here. Bill is removed, elections called = proof that the checks and balances worked. IMHO

The elections show that checks and balances worked.. actually.. no not at all. The constitution needs to be revised a watchdog with big teeth should be there. One that is respected. Corruption on this scale is just unacceptable.

If it is true that the C2C where fake then jailtime should be given to YL and all others that are responsible. A clear signal that corruption and lying is not acceptable. How can we accept something like this if lying is accepted like this then there will never be trust.

[Publicus]

I don't support insurrection and I don't support a fascist council both of which erupted from the boiling mind of a raging insurrectionist that is charged under Thai law with insurrection and treason.

I don't support Suthep or his feudal ideas, proposals or his means to his ends.

[tominbkk]

Under the "Thaksin Thinks - Pheua Thai Acts" brigade, Yingluck and her PTP Cronies have not only raped the taxpayers of 100s of billions of Baht in the name of poorly thought out peasant policies, but have also raped the very peasants they hold so dearly, by ensuring that hardly any of the tax money even goes to them.

A real disgrace and these pirate thieves of the PTP should be locked away a long, long time.

[SOTIRIOS]

........no kidding......

...while she scrambles frantically to arrest everyone else in sight....for whatever bs charges......