Eight protesters injured in bomb attack against Suthep's procession

[Prbkk]

"Earlier today, another group of PCAD demonstrators also claimed that they were attacked by stones launched from slingshots during their march on Nares Road in Bang Rak district."

Bangkok residents?

Getting slowly fed up with this?

The rest of ASEAN must be p!ssing themselves with laughter over all of this...really, it's a crying shame for this to be in its 4th month

[rijb]

No matter who initiated this nasty incident, surely it underlines the need for dialogue and negotiation to end the impasse and move on. Mr Suthep keeps saying no, no no, but it is very apparent that there is no way for him to win this. Where are the moderate voices on his side of the political fence who will sit down with YL to end the lunacy?

It IS lunacy now, not politics. Economic suicide, strong prospect of descent into violence, tourism dead in the water, Japanese investment in doubt. Are they now fighting just for ego?

YL seems to only one who wants to talk and yet she is in the stronger position. For the life of me, I don't get why this guy is so intransigent

He hasn't been paid yet. And his bonus is most likely contingent on YL riding off into the sunset.

[Mackie]

Will administrators please act and start removing nonsensical posts by fab4 and company whose obvious intention is to derail this thread. Let's stick to the topic.

As it was said many times, if YL really wanted a peaceful solution she would have postponed the election for second part of May or later. The amnesty bill would be dead and buried. Democrats and moderates off the streets, Suthep left talking to himself. But obviously this current government has its own agenda so they decided to aggravate political crisis.

We are seeing an escalation of violence because there is no resolution in sight (leaving the question of who is responsible). To get a resolution YL offered May 4,th as an alternative election date if suthep would hold back . He declined. It defies belief.

4th May is not good enough. It still falls within 180 days and the amnesty bill would be alive. Suthep is only a pawn. And pawns are sacrificed when the time is right. Sooner rather than later.

[Hulkster]

When a minority that represents the interests of the Bangkok elite attempts to seize control of the country through undemocratic means, this is the result.

And the longer the minority petitions to deny the majority their political rights the worse this kind of violence will get.

I don't want to hear any complaining from the minority because they are bringing it on themselves.

The poor are not going to stand for having an despotic, undemocratic government representing the Bangkok elite foisted upon them for the umpteenth time.

How much do you know about the poor, it doesn't sound as though you live in Isaan? There are very many people in Isaan that are protesting against the totally corrupt PT caretaker government. The farmers have been screwed and there is no money to pay them. The EC directed the caretaker administration that they were not to use the farmers money to pay them only to find out that this had already been done which is against the their remit. Many are also suffering from the water project and so on and on.

That's why you have democratic elections. If the people of Isan are as dissatisfied as you say then they'll vote for alternative parties.

You don't let thugs seize power by holding a country hostage to their demands.

[SPIKECM]

This is where I am stumped! Ignorance and no sense of an ironical end result doesn't just stop with Suthep quite obviously.

Another letter copied from the Economist..I can't help it... this is good.... maybe Suthep (who has previously made some comment that Thais don't need to learn English), just listens to Blue Sky news.

According to Joe Studwell in his book Asian Godfathers, Thaksin Shinawatra switched line from businessman to politician with the backing of some of the most powerful fellow-godfathers in the country, in the dream that with Thaksin as frontman they will control the nation politically, for their own benefit.
Thaksin presented himself as a populist, and once elected Prime Minister he kept his populist campaign promises, which is why the people love him, but then abandoned his fellow-godfathers and leave them with nothing. At the same time, however, Thaksin's own businesses got leniencies in regulations, easily won tenders, etc, making him richer all by himself in the process. This abuse of power is the basis of corruption allegations on Thaksin that made him a fugitive since the coup in 2006, which is legitimate.
Yes Thaksin Shinawatra was corrupt and he abused his power for business gains, but this yellow shirt movement is no better. The yellow shirt movement, or officially People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), was suspiciously formed 2 days after the 2006 coup and was funded by the group of godfathers that Thaksin lured and then ditch. Hence, this is not about a new - corrupt-free - Thailand, an image carefully crafted by the yellow shirt movement. Instead, this is about revenge, about one godfather vs other godfathers, none of whom have a purely good intention for the country.
But above all, even though Thaksin and Yingluck Shinawatra are not clean, they were in the end democratically elected. This yellow shirt movement, on the other hand, simply wants to topple Yingluck and illegally assume power without the February election, knowing very well that if through nationwide election they will not win. Now this is a very dangerous ground. I'm afraid this Bangkok shutdown is just the beginning of a very long struggle.

For the same reason as Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot I guess.

No matter who initiated this nasty incident, surely it underlines the need for dialogue and negotiation to end the impasse and move on. Mr Suthep keeps saying no, no no, but it is very apparent that there is no way for him to win this. Where are the moderate voices on his side of the political fence who will sit down with YL to end the lunacy?
It IS lunacy now, not politics. Economic suicide, strong prospect of descent into violence, tourism dead in the water, Japanese investment in doubt. Are they now fighting just for ego?
YL seems to only one who wants to talk and yet she is in the stronger position. For the life of me, I don't get why this guy is so intransigent

I guess so...but who is going to tap him on the shoulder for a quiet word?

[marstons]

When all else is failing, the Thaksinists revert to their default position - violence. You can tell when things are going bad for them, the TVF Thaksin sycophants start trotting out the conspiracy theories

yes all going sadly wrong so wrong they be democratically back in power in a few weeks and Yingluck re-elected. All going so terribly wrong for them.

1 person one vote that's the way it is.

[Prbkk]

I pretty much agree with that letter. There is , for me, a large element of the lesser if 2 evils ( even though I prefer YL to see out the current term and then reform...but I wish it could be a coalition with some do the liberal dems)

[Briandajew]

There getting brave with daylight attacks now. Give the Weekend Warriors something to think about this weekend.

.............and thered shirt murderers too. Did they wear black?? very brave of Thaksins assasins to attack unarmed wome and children - oh - and heres the excuse!!!!!!!!

Do you have a friend that can help you to write your posts in English? After all, I think ThaiVisa insists on English language only, If a friend can assist, it will make it so much easier for us to understand your responses! Thanks. Lots of words in English usually have spaces between them...i.e THE Red SHIRT, as opposed to THERED Shirt...there is a space in between..it allows us to make sense of writing.

again...oops forgive me! That should begin with capital letter....begins with a new sentence,

Edited January 17, 2014 by Briandajew

[Ozymandias]

How much longer is Yingluck going to carry this out. She tells the police no violence she tells the army no violence but what about the red shirts who are supporting her. They seem to act under the orders of there three different leaders.

Do we actually know who carried out the attack? Obviously, someone who was pissed off with the protests but as usual the assumption is made that it has to be red shirts. This is not to say that you may not be proved right in this particular case, but if you are sympathetic to Suthep's crowd you cannot have the hypocrisy to ignore yellow shirt attacks on taxi drivers, threats to take over the stock exchange/air traffic control/kidnap cabinet ministers, burn buses and shoot reds in Ramkhamhaeng and then claim (only) redshirt violence is thuggery.

If you had a modicum of perspective, you could see that both sides (save the genuinely peaceful protesters, red, yellow and no shirts) have extremist leaders and extremist wings who are prepared to carry out all sorts of heinous acts and care nothing if innocent people (old ladies protesting, old ladies on buses, cabbies trying to make a living, passengers, street vendors) are injured, maimed or killed.

Certain posters make a big moral point about how wrong violence is and then ignore the violent acts from their own side, deny they exist or blame them on mysterious infiltrators - assuming that the rest of us are too dim-witted to see through their poorly constructed arguments. We are not.

Either maintain some coherence in your morality or admit that you only apply it to the other side and can openly tolerate it in your people because, well, you're fighting the good fight, right? Wrong. We've heard it over and over and it's drivel.

[Gulfsailor]

Sometimes there is no red or yellow conspiracy necessary. Looking at the initial findings, the easiest explanation is that a guy lived in that building, who had a stash of weapons. (You can speculate on the why and how). Being a staunch Jatuporn listener, he thought he won the lottery when he saw the protest pass by its house pretty much unannounced. When he saw the pickup truck he assumed Suthep was inside and hurled a grenade, thinking he would be elegible for the 500,000 baht bounty.

[pipkins]

There getting brave with daylight attacks now. Give the Weekend Warriors something to think about this weekend.

Brave?

They are testing the resolve of the protesters and probing their defences and co-ordinating harrying attacks. Tactical this is

Small attack at Cheag Wattana and enough redshirts gathered to surround the PRRC Rump mob. This send pickups of protesters scurrying to their aid.... Then this.

The big one mayl be rama 4. When the time is right, they will come out and Suthep will be finished. Almost time.!!!!

Nobody on the protests today so what are they doing out there. Time to round em up and bring 3 months of video evidence before the courts. LOL then we will see the impartiallity of the Courts.

I see you have been a TV member long enough to know a lot about Thailand. We have idiots like you in the UK too, Freedom of speech and to demonstrate peacefully is a basic human right. Have you applied for a visa for North Korea yet?

Probably most bizarre response yet.

Been here 22 years thanks. I stay off here usually as it is just the usual series of insults and ill thought out posts.

This time, it's important enough to stand up for democracy. I see my wife and here family totally bewildered that this mob is on the streets trying to install a dictator. Suthep would have more in common with North Korea BTW.

They are free to protest, but we are tired of their arrogant crap. There are so pittifully few of them that they have resorted to street markets and live music to pull in casual passers by to swell the numbers for the camera

I've walked through them many times. They are stinking arrogant scum, all the guards. And as I live here for a long time and mingle everyday with them, these stand out. The sooner they are off the streets by any means, is not soon enough.

As you probably don't spend much time in thailand, you'll be unaware of whats happening. Maybe freedom from information is best for you.

Am I entitled to that opinion?

[cocopops]

I doubt the attacks are self inflicted. I just cant imagine Suthep or his stringpullers are that cynical and blood thirsty even if they have a motive for doing so (get military to stage coup).

I doubt the attacks are initiated by the ruling party. The most obvious proof is the lack of gain from such an act. Their best way forward is feb 2nd election and a double figure number of voters. This includes Thaksin. No motive.

Then you have fringe elements on both sides. The anti-government have some nasty colors that want a coup. The quickest way to get the military to intervene is trough violence in the streets.

The anti-anti-government fringe also have some twisted colors. Motive can range from simple revenge because they dont feel their own is acting. Or a deeper plot to intimidate the larger numbers of the crowd. This is where I think the suspects belong. There is a huge number of people radicalized after 2009/2010 crackdowns.

This seems more reasonable than most theories. That either Suthep or Yingluck (or anyone too high up) actually knows the details seems pretty unlikely. That they were part of the planning or had advance knowledge seems impossible.

But some fringe sub-group, informal or otherwise, within either side led by someone even less rational? Seems quite possible.

[pipkins]

No matter who initiated this nasty incident, surely it underlines the need for dialogue and negotiation to end the impasse and move on. Mr Suthep keeps saying no, no no, but it is very apparent that there is no way for him to win this. Where are the moderate voices on his side of the political fence who will sit down with YL to end the lunacy?

It IS lunacy now, not politics. Economic suicide, strong prospect of descent into violence, tourism dead in the water, Japanese investment in doubt. Are they now fighting just for ego?

YL seems to only one who wants to talk and yet she is in the stronger position. For the life of me, I don't get why this guy is so intransigent

He hasn't been paid yet. And his bonus is most likely contingent on YL riding off into the sunset.

He has overstretched this time. the crime sheet for this is massive and a reform process and him and his backers losing all this money on a failed coup, could put him in a positino where he is properly prosecuted, exiled or just plain done in.

I see the Government is coming out more strongly now and receiving much needed backing from the International Community. Sorry Blueskyers, you'll have to google as there is too much to link to and you'ld not understand it anyway.

Hopefully soon her hand will be strenghened and this mob will be rounded up. Look foward to seeing them on the crime round up on TV as the Police nail them one my one.

[fleeing]

I doubt the attacks are self inflicted. I just cant imagine Suthep or his stringpullers are that cynical and blood thirsty even if they have a motive for doing so (get military to stage coup).

I doubt the attacks are initiated by the ruling party. The most obvious proof is the lack of gain from such an act. Their best way forward is feb 2nd election and a double figure number of voters. This includes Thaksin. No motive.

Then you have fringe elements on both sides. The anti-government have some nasty colors that want a coup. The quickest way to get the military to intervene is trough violence in the streets.

The anti-anti-government fringe also have some twisted colors. Motive can range from simple revenge because they dont feel their own is acting. Or a deeper plot to intimidate the larger numbers of the crowd. This is where I think the suspects belong. There is a huge number of people radicalized after 2009/2010 crackdowns.

This seems more reasonable than most theories. That either Suthep or Yingluck (or anyone too high up) actually knows the details seems pretty unlikely. That they were part of the planning or had advance knowledge seems impossible.

But some fringe sub-group, informal or otherwise, within either side led by someone even less rational? Seems quite possible.

I absolutely agree.

And just to annoy the few posters who annoy me so much, who more could be regarded as even less rational, than a man who promises to decapitate himself, if he doesn't get his long-term buddy back home?

He must be a prime suspect.

[EricBerg]

I hope if they caught the bomber, hope they let him have a phone call to Yingluck before they lynched him...

That's the way to go, assume guilt, assume association, forego a trial and lynch law!

And amazingly you got a "like"!

Yep the rats are celebrating. Where's Rich teacher btw?

[fasteddie]

There getting brave with daylight attacks now. Give the Weekend Warriors something to think about this weekend.

Cowardly attacks on unarmed protesters is not brave!

Tell that to the Army!

You mean the unarmed soldiers the ones armed only with sticks that Saturday. The ones who were shot at and killed by red shirt guards in 2010? That Army? The ones blamed for defending themselves against red shirt grenades?

No! he means the ones in Bkk in 2010, you know, the ones that started the shooting and went on to murder many innocent protesters, bystanders, nurses, medics, journalists, that army!

[englishoak]

walked through asok earlier today hardly anyone there

[fasteddie]

Stinks of agent provocateur to me, Mad dog must be getting desperate, what with no army intervention and all his lackeys going home.

Long Live Democracy!

[Cnxforever]

Blue Sky TV are showing images of a collection of weapons together with a brand new red cap and a police sign, all miraculously "discovered" by the army soon after the blast. And rather than sealing the "crime scene" they're moving stuff around and letting the media trample over everything. What a pathetic set up.

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Next they'll find a red T shirt with 'We Dunnit' printed on the back.

[northernjohn]

Meanwhile "looking in" at this Thailand crisis from outside the proverbial fishbowl. This latest article from The Economist is well worth a read...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/01/thailands-political-crisis

I got as far as

Quote

 
"Her Pheu Thai party, which is the third incarnation of a party founded by 
her brother, the former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, was prepared to win 
it. And so the protesters, led by Suthep Thaugsuban, a former deputy prime 
minister of the opposition Democrat Party, returned to the streets on January 
13th. They are now demanding that the very process by which Thailand (usually) 
chooses its governments—ie elections—be junked.

The anti government protestors were calling for a reform of the election process long before Jan. 13. Kind off shows how little the Economist knows and the people willing to believe them.

The problem on TV seems that everyone in the forum thinks they understand everything already and don't have to listen some different voice to try to broaden their view: yellow, red, and both sides oriented.

Then when someone neutral put out an idea is labeled red or yellow because he dared to go against such beliefs.

There is no way out.

Well what you say may or may not be true but if you have been following this for even one week you would know that Suthep had been demanding this long before Jan.13 2014.

I say once again what kind of nonsense are they going to write if they believe that it was some thing new.

The first paragraph discredits them. Even a PTP and red shirt could tell you that.

[northernjohn]

When a minority that represents the interests of the Bangkok elite attempts to seize control of the country through undemocratic means, this is the result.

And the longer the minority petitions to deny the majority their political rights the worse this kind of violence will get.

I don't want to hear any complaining from the minority because they are bringing it on themselves.

The poor are not going to stand for having an despotic, undemocratic government representing the Bangkok elite foisted upon them for the umpteenth time.

How much do you know about the poor, it doesn't sound as though you live in Isaan? There are very many people in Isaan that are protesting against the totally corrupt PT caretaker government. The farmers have been screwed and there is no money to pay them. The EC directed the caretaker administration that they were not to use the farmers money to pay them only to find out that this had already been done which is against the their remit. Many are also suffering from the water project and so on and on.

That's why you have democratic elections. If the people of Isan are as dissatisfied as you say then they'll vote for alternative parties.

You don't let thugs seize power by holding a country hostage to their demands.

You are correct you are very astute in your perception of how to rise to power.

You seize power by paying them and promising them they will be rich in 6 months.

[Tokay]

Considering every "bombing" attempt in the past week has been a massive failure, we are left with no conclusion other than their "bombers" are as incompetent as everyone else here who is paid to do something.

If they want to get the job done, they need to send in professionals. Not farmers with hammers big firecrackers.

[Publicus]

Meanwhile "looking in" at this Thailand crisis from outside the proverbial fishbowl. This latest article from The Economist is well worth a read...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/01/thailands-political-crisis

I got as far as

Quote

 
"Her Pheu Thai party, which is the third incarnation of a party founded by 
her brother, the former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, was prepared to win 
it. And so the protesters, led by Suthep Thaugsuban, a former deputy prime 
minister of the opposition Democrat Party, returned to the streets on January 
13th. They are now demanding that the very process by which Thailand (usually) 
chooses its governments—ie elections—be junked.

The anti government protestors were calling for a reform of the election process long before Jan. 13. Kind off shows how little the Economist knows and the people willing to believe them.

The problem on TV seems that everyone in the forum thinks they understand everything already and don't have to listen some different voice to try to broaden their view: yellow, red, and both sides oriented.

Then when someone neutral put out an idea is labeled red or yellow because he dared to go against such beliefs.

There is no way out.

Well what you say may or may not be true but if you have been following this for even one week you would know that Suthep had been demanding this long before Jan.13 2014.

I say once again what kind of nonsense are they going to write if they believe that it was some thing new.

The first paragraph discredits them. Even a PTP and red shirt could tell you that.

........"returned" to the streets January 13th, meaning on D-Day of the shut down Bangkok scheme, the significant date.

Yes, the Economist choosing that date and language is a bit obtuse but some of you guys sound like you've never read MSM journalism before

[Cricketnut]

I CANNOT believe how Suthep is playing up this bombing incident on BlueSky TV. He keeps showing it over and over and then they flash to the screen of all the guns and amo they found with the RED ball cap on top of it all.

COME ON !!!!!! A red-shirt is going to throw a granade then run into the building where all of these weapos are and leave a RED Ball cap there?

WHO DOES THIS IDIOT THINK HE IS KIDDING !!!!!!!! Well obviously he is kidding himself and the followers.

With all that hardware they found, why didn't they use any of the machine guns and heavier weapons? Beggars belief really. Machine gun would have caused more carnage and collateral damage then a grenade. But it was a red shirt too, so he musnt have the brains to know this and then just LEAVE everything there for the PDRC to so easily discover and then contaminate the site before the authorities arrive to conduct an investigation! Remarkable indeed... Yes yes, it was definitely the hill billy red "uneducated" shirts from the North.... "Well done observation Watson". I think in my opinion the PDRC aren't telling us something here. Suthep, any further comment? Daeng it, I knew I would get a yellow response....

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[Cricketnut]

I just can not hear it anymore - the Thai government is corrupt!! Big news!!

you want perspective? Bangkok produces only 26% of GDP but gets 70 % of the budget - the South gets twice the budget compared to the north and North East!

You know how much money we are talking fore Bangkok a 70% slice of the cake?? This is what this is all about money is being distributed to different people now and the elite who is used to get the loins share will not have it!

Do you have source for those statistics? Interesting if true.

Does everyone have to do you're homework? Google man Google!

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[JRSoul]

This is where I am stumped! Ignorance and no sense of an ironical end result doesn't just stop with Suthep quite obviously.

Another letter copied from the Economist..I can't help it... this is good.... maybe Suthep (who has previously made some comment that Thais don't need to learn English), just listens to Blue Sky news.

According to Joe Studwell in his book Asian Godfathers, Thaksin Shinawatra switched line from businessman to politician with the backing of some of the most powerful fellow-godfathers in the country, in the dream that with Thaksin as frontman they will control the nation politically, for their own benefit.

Thaksin presented himself as a populist, and once elected Prime Minister he kept his populist campaign promises, which is why the people love him, but then abandoned his fellow-godfathers and leave them with nothing. At the same time, however, Thaksin's own businesses got leniencies in regulations, easily won tenders, etc, making him richer all by himself in the process. This abuse of power is the basis of corruption allegations on Thaksin that made him a fugitive since the coup in 2006, which is legitimate.

Yes Thaksin Shinawatra was corrupt and he abused his power for business gains, but this yellow shirt movement is no better. The yellow shirt movement, or officially People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), was suspiciously formed 2 days after the 2006 coup and was funded by the group of godfathers that Thaksin lured and then ditch. Hence, this is not about a new - corrupt-free - Thailand, an image carefully crafted by the yellow shirt movement. Instead, this is about revenge, about one godfather vs other godfathers, none of whom have a purely good intention for the country.

But above all, even though Thaksin and Yingluck Shinawatra are not clean, they were in the end democratically elected. This yellow shirt movement, on the other hand, simply wants to topple Yingluck and illegally assume power without the February election, knowing very well that if through nationwide election they will not win. Now this is a very dangerous ground. I'm afraid this Bangkok shutdown is just the beginning of a very long struggle.

Your article might have a bit more credibility if it got the easily checked historical date correct. "....(PAD), was suspiciously formed 2 days after the 2006 coup...."

"PAD was formally established on February 8, 2006, after Thaksin's family sold shares in Shin Corp to Temasek Holdings." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Alliance_for_Democracy

PAD "was suspiciously formed" to protest against Thaksin's corruption. The coup was on Sep 19th.

[Tatsujin]

What makes you so sure they were red shirts? Are you really so naive that you don't think these people will kill their own to justify a coup? You are nothing but disposable pawns to these people.

Is that what protesters do to get sympathy? Blow themselves up or shoot themselves? Did this also happen in 2010?

To be fair the government at the time, the "Democrat" party, did state that Thaksin was responsible for killing his own supporters in 2010, but then, they lied about a lot of things back then.

The Democrats yesterday accused ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra of being behind the so-called "men in black" who were allegedly hired to kill innocents including red-shirt protesters in order to smear the previous Abhisit government.

Democrat Party deputy leader Apirak Kosayodhin was speaking during the party's discussion at Lumpini Park on "Seeking the truth: who is behind the merciless men in black in Thailand''. He said that there had been attempts to accuse the Abhisit government of ordering soldiers to kill the people, and that today the party would unveil who were the so-called men in black in order that the country can have the reconciliation.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Democrats-Thaksin-was-behind-men-in-black-30192301.html

They never did unveil who were the men in black......................................

Actually the Army once again came out recently and said they know who the MiB are and who runs it, a special unit within the Royal Thaksin Police.

[prvtdetdave]

If there had been no protesters, there would have been no attack..

I think most of us are growing weary of this elitest B.S..

[GeorgeO]

There getting brave with daylight attacks now. Give the Weekend Warriors something to think about this weekend.

.............and thered shirt murderers too. Did they wear black?? very brave of Thaksins assasins to attack unarmed wome and children - oh - and heres the excuse!!!!!!!!

Do you have a friend that can help you to write your posts in English? After all, I think ThaiVisa insists on English language only, If a friend can assist, it will make it so much easier for us to understand your responses! Thanks. Lots of words in English usually have spaces between them...i.e THE Red SHIRT, as opposed to THERED Shirt...there is a space in between..it allows us to make sense of writing.

again...oops forgive me! That should begin with capital letter....begins with a new sentence,

I'm sure that love1012 greatly appreciates your English lesson...!!

BTW, you need to use a full stop to end a sentence, not a comma ... and as for the whole content of your last sentence....well, who knows...?!

[GeorgeO]

If there had been no protesters, there would have been no attack..

I think most of us are growing weary of this elitest B.S..

So, can we assume that you happily accept responsibility for any road accident that you're involved in based upon the same argument used by the BiB? ... If the farang wasn't in our country, the accident wouldn't have happened...!!

Anyone who engages in such cowardly attacks on peaceful (yes, peaceful) protesters should be dealt with to the full extent of the law...!!

Edited January 18, 2014 by GeorgeO