Thaksin corruption claims stoke Thai protest outrage

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Thaksin corruption claims stoke Thai protest outrage
by Aidan JONES

BANGKOK, January 20, 2014 (AFP) - Corruption allegations against former Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra are at the centre of an anti-government campaign by protesters who say that while graft is endemic his billionaire family overstepped the mark.

Thailand endures a complex relationship with corruption characterised by weak governance, opaque webs of political patronage and an expectation of under-the-table payments to get things done.

Demonstrators trying to rid the country of Thaksin's influence by ousting the government led by his sister Yingluck Shinawatra believe he has broken the kingdom's tacit contract with graft, says political commentator Voranai Vanijaka of the Bangkok Post.

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.

"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

The demonstrators allege Yingluck is being controlled by her brother, a tycoon-turned-politician who was ousted in a 2006 coup and lives overseas to avoid a jail term for abuse of power that he says was politically motivated.

Protesters point to accusations of wrongdoing over the former leader's business empire, as well as complaints about populist policies and alleged "vote buying" that they say explain the victories of Thaksin and his allies at every election since the start of this century.

"Thaksin has taken too much and his big mistake is that he has made it open for everyone to see," said rally supporter Rocky, 24, on the fringes of a march through an upmarket Bangkok neighbourhood last week.

Rally leaders have harnessed that indignation to package their fight as an anti-graft crusade, while urging the military and independent institutions to aid them in their attempt to block February 2 elections that Yingluck is again expected to win.

Thaksin is adored in the northern heartlands and among the urban working class, but is loathed by many among the Bangkok middle class, southerners and the royalist establishment.

Following his removal from power, the former telecoms baron was sentenced in absentia to two years in jail over a land deal involving his wife.

Then, in 2010, a Thai court confiscated around $1.4 billion -- or about half of his fortune -- over tax evasion linked to the sale of his telecoms company during his tenure as prime minister.

Thaksin says he is innocent of wrongdoing and the victim of manoeuvering by his political foes.

The protest leaders "use corruption claims to attract the crowd", his legal adviser Noppadon Pattama told AFP, accusing political opponents of trumping up graft claims.

"But to accuse the Shinawatra family of monopolising corruption is wholly unfounded," he added.

Criticism against the former premier has also been directed at so-called "Thaksinomics" -- big-spending populist policies including free healthcare, cheap loans and a controversial rice farmer subsidy.

The rice scheme, introduced by Yingluck's government, has drawn particular ire, with claims it engendered widespread corruption and drained Thai coffers of billions of dollars just to shore up the Shinawatras' rural voter base.

Few politicians remain untarnished in the hurly-burly of Thai politics, where the most outspoken politician to campaign against corruption, Chuvit Kamolvisit, is a former massage parlour king who has openly admitted to paying bribes in the past.

Even firebrand anti-government protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban -- who is marshalling street rallies aimed at "shutting down" Bangkok that are now stretching into their second week -- has faced allegations of corruption in the past.

As a minister for the then-ruling Democrat Party in the mid-90s, Suthep was heavily criticised over the use of a land law which resulted in rich people claiming property meant for the poor. The government dissolved parliament in the fall-out from the scandal.

However, some see Suthep's re-invention as an anti-graft hero as part of a wider public rejection of corruption.

"Suthep is not perfect... but he's changed now he is a leader and he is going to retire anyway after this movement," said 78-year-old protester Amonrat Kridakon. "Thaksin is the problem."

Statistics indicate Thailand has failed to decouple its politics from corruption.

The kingdom ranked 102nd out of 177 countries in Transparency International's latest global index of how corrupt public sectors are perceived to be -- level with Moldova and behind the Philippines and India.

And a recent survey by the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce found that businesses were paying between 25-35 percent of the value of contracts to grease the palms of government officials, up from 5-10 percent in 1990.

"Maybe before Thais would pay to get something done faster... there was a 'tradition' of corruption," the university's Thanavath Phonvichai told AFP.

"But the protesters realise that everything needs to change. They can't stand it anymore."


-- (c) Copyright AFP 2014-01-20

[bigbamboo]

"Let me tell you how it will be

There's one for you, nineteen for me

'Cause I'm the Thaksman, yeah, I'm the Thaksman"

[Tatsujin]

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.
"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

Sums it up quite nicely.

[pipkins]

That Land Scandal just wont go away.

Who is on it? surely there must be plots and maps of the land in question. Been very hushed up since the first coup. when they took over the DSI and lately when the PDRC raided the DSI again.

Co-incidence that last 2 coups revolved around this land grab investigation?

Sutheps followers really showing that they do not understand him, and showing they are far from the level oc critical or anylitacl thinking required to move Thailand forward... as they are on Red side as well.

Problem is that the Educated think they are above the poor.... They are not. They think in the same way and have their opinions dictated to them by their masters.

The reform here needs to go way way beyond Thaksin, and well into the Forces and the backers.... Or else.. It's just another Coup and grab for power.

It's a Coup unless you reform the army and courts as well. Any offers from them..... 555555555555555 in your dreams

[JRSoul]

The Thai body politic has a parasite attached which refuses to let go. As much as some would have us believe the relationship is mutually beneficial, the balance sheets prove otherwise as the parasite bloats itself with wealth while the host needs to continually seek more loans.

Major surgery or fire may be needed to remove it, but the short-term pain is nothing compared to allowing it to stay in place.

[JRSoul]

That Land Scandal just wont go away.

Who is on it? surely there must be plots and maps of the land in question. Been very hushed up since the first coup. when they took over the DSI and lately when the PDRC raided the DSI again.

Co-incidence that last 2 coups revolved around this land grab investigation?

Sutheps followers really showing that they do not understand him, and showing they are far from the level oc critical or anylitacl thinking required to move Thailand forward... as they are on Red side as well.

Problem is that the Educated think they are above the poor.... They are not. They think in the same way and have their opinions dictated to them by their masters.

The reform here needs to go way way beyond Thaksin, and well into the Forces and the backers.... Or else.. It's just another Coup and grab for power.

It's a Coup unless you reform the army and courts as well. Any offers from them..... 555555555555555 in your dreams

Two rice farmers in the NE talking:

1: "Do you know what happened in Phuket 20 years ago?"

2: "You've been paid for your rice then!"

[Local Drunk]

"Let me tell you how it will be

There's one for you, nineteen for me

'Cause I'm the Thaksman, yeah, I'm the Thaksman"

Well I'm a gonna raise a fuss and I'm gonna raise a holler

Bout all em working folks who've marched all the way from Yala

Well I bought all the politicians on the take

But Supthep stepped in and made it too little to late...

Inspiration: Summertime Blues. The Who Live at Leeds

[Local Drunk]

That Land Scandal just wont go away.

Who is on it? surely there must be plots and maps of the land in question. Been very hushed up since the first coup. when they took over the DSI and lately when the PDRC raided the DSI again.

Co-incidence that last 2 coups revolved around this land grab investigation?

Sutheps followers really showing that they do not understand him, and showing they are far from the level oc critical or anylitacl thinking required to move Thailand forward... as they are on Red side as well.

Problem is that the Educated think they are above the poor.... They are not. They think in the same way and have their opinions dictated to them by their masters.

The reform here needs to go way way beyond Thaksin, and well into the Forces and the backers.... Or else.. It's just another Coup and grab for power.

It's a Coup unless you reform the army and courts as well. Any offers from them..... 555555555555555 in your dreams

Two rice farmers in the NE talking:

1: "Do you know what happened in Phuket 20 years ago?"

2: "You've been paid for your rice then!"

Twenty years ago Phuket was a nice place to go...

[waza]

Not to forget that Thaksins rule also caused the deaths of thousands of Thais, and many crimes against humanity.

[samtam]

Thailand endures a complex relationship with corruption characterised by weak governance, opaque webs of political patronage and an expectation of under-the-table payments to get things done.

Demonstrators trying to rid the country of Thaksin's influence by ousting the government led by his sister Yingluck Shinawatra believe he has broken the kingdom's tacit contract with graft, says political commentator Voranai Vanijaka of the Bangkok Post.

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.

"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

And herein lies the entire problem facing Thailand.

It will be a problem never resolved when it's the level of corruption that is tolerated, not that there is corruption. Who determines when that level is OK, or OTT? Who should be the beneficiaries of the corruption? Everyone, or just those who feel entitled?

Like everything here, there is supposedly a rule book, or laws, but they are subject to interpretation, and that interpretation depends on who you are, or how much you pay, (to ignore them). It's cultural, it's feudal. Unfortunately the country cannot progress unless it is addressed, which is very sad.

Thailand is a fantastic place, but consider how much more fantastic it could be.

There will always be corruption in any country, but start with the concept that it is illegal; start with observance and enforcement of the rule of law, for everyone, equally.

"I have a dream..."

Edited January 20, 2014 by samtam

[Mosha]

IIRC the whole thought process behind initially backing Thaksin was he's so rich he won't need to be corrupt. Well they got that one wrong didn't they?

[kimamey]

That Land Scandal just wont go away.

Who is on it? surely there must be plots and maps of the land in question. Been very hushed up since the first coup. when they took over the DSI and lately when the PDRC raided the DSI again.

Co-incidence that last 2 coups revolved around this land grab investigation?

Sutheps followers really showing that they do not understand him, and showing they are far from the level oc critical or anylitacl thinking required to move Thailand forward... as they are on Red side as well.

Problem is that the Educated think they are above the poor.... They are not. They think in the same way and have their opinions dictated to them by their masters.

The reform here needs to go way way beyond Thaksin, and well into the Forces and the backers.... Or else.. It's just another Coup and grab for power.

It's a Coup unless you reform the army and courts as well. Any offers from them..... 555555555555555 in your dreams

Very true but I haven't seen anything by the PTP government about reform of the courts or the army. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe they just cant do that. They have however sided with the army over the deaths in 2010. Despite all the evidence so far suggesting that the deaths so far investigated were caused by the army not following the ROE rather than being ordered by Abhisit and Suthep the army have an amnesty (in law I believe) and Tarit said the army wouldn't be investigated. So the PTP are as much puppets of the military as the Dems were alleged to be.

[Scamper]

" Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple. The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here. "

This analogy says it perfectly. In so doing Thaksin crosses " the line " . It is a line understood in Thai culture, between dipping and outright possession. But Thaksin has also been very transparent, bold, even boastful about it. That's another no-no. He wants it all.

And the people are saying no.

[NongKhaiKid]

Looking back to the time when Thaksin first appeared in court charge with concealing assets and was acquitted by a majority of one vote, the judge whose vote was credited with achieving the majority was quoted as saying he believed Thaksin was guilty but because he was PM decided to give him a chance.

I have no idea where that judge is now or even if he's still alive but I wonder if he ever looked back in later years and considered what his vote had meant to the country.

[samtam]

Or how much larger his bank balance was after it.

[arthurboy]

Thailand endures a complex relationship with corruption characterised by weak governance, opaque webs of political patronage and an expectation of under-the-table payments to get things done.

Demonstrators trying to rid the country of Thaksin's influence by ousting the government led by his sister Yingluck Shinawatra believe he has broken the kingdom's tacit contract with graft, says political commentator Voranai Vanijaka of the Bangkok Post.

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.

"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

And herein lies the entire problem facing Thailand.

It will be a problem never resolved when it's the level of corruption that is tolerated, not that there is corruption. Who determines when that level is OK, or OTT? Who should be the beneficiaries of the corruption? Everyone, or just those who feel entitled?

Like everything here, there is supposedly a rule book, or laws, but they are subject to interpretation, and that interpretation depends on who you are, or how much you pay, (to ignore them). It's cultural, it's feudal. Unfortunately the country cannot progress unless it is addressed, which is very sad.

Thailand is a fantastic place, but consider how much more fantastic it could be.

There will always be corruption in any country, but start with the concept that it is illegal; start with observance and enforcement of the rule of law, for everyone, equally.

"I have a dream..."

Corruption is endemic and institutionalized here, with or without Thaksin's involvement, and backed by some very big players. Thaksin and his cronies are corrupt, but consider this:

Do people really believe that Thaksin is solely responsible for all the corruption that Thailand suffers and endures, or that his brand of corruption is an worse or any different than that of the other leeches who have been bleeding the people of Thailand dry for so long?

Do people really believe that the Thaksin's influence is wholly responsible for the day to day corruption perpetrated by the back street gangsters and mafia bosses where I live.

Where I work, the local cops get paid of by the bloke who sells copy DVD's outside 7/11, the street vendors pay off the market inspectors and the local money lender operates in plain view. Who's responsible for that? Thaksin?

People have short memories. The past and recent history of Thailand's corruption - political or otherwise - is littered with cases: The Klong Dam project, the Hopewell project and the Klong Chan Credit Union scandals to name but a few.

Politics in Thailand is a business opportunity, plain and simple.

When the Thaksin influence finally dissipates, you can bet with 100% certainty that there will be others - the usual suspects? - who will pick up the pieces and carry on as they have always done.

[transam]

And the protesting side officials have never paid or received corruption payments eh ?.. .......................

[poisonus]

Nice to know that the people at large are now wise to Thaksin who started out collecting votes behind a facade of a 'Robin Hood' type character, and exposed himself to be no more than a 'Robbin Bastard'.

Which might I add, has become endemic within the Shin clan and their rank and file.

[GeorgeO]

Looking back to the time when Thaksin first appeared in court charge with concealing assets and was acquitted by a majority of one vote, the judge whose vote was credited with achieving the majority was quoted as saying he believed Thaksin was guilty but because he was PM decided to give him a chance.

I have no idea where that judge is now or even if he's still alive but I wonder if he ever looked back in later years and considered what his vote had meant to the country.

As I recall, some years later there was a review of that decision, and four out of five of the judges were removed from office...!

[GeorgeO]

What I can't quite understand are the references to 'claims' and 'allegations' of corruption by Thaksin. He has already been found guilty...!!

[GentlemanJim]

What I can't quite understand are the references to 'claims' and 'allegations' of corruption by Thaksin. He has already been found guilty...!!

Exactly what I was thinking as I read the article.

I wish the media would stop giving time to Thaksin's lawyer, they hang on his every word like he really is somebody important.

[NongKhaiKid]

Looking back to the time when Thaksin first appeared in court charge with concealing assets and was acquitted by a majority of one vote, the judge whose vote was credited with achieving the majority was quoted as saying he believed Thaksin was guilty but because he was PM decided to give him a chance.

I have no idea where that judge is now or even if he's still alive but I wonder if he ever looked back in later years and considered what his vote had meant to the country.

As I recall, some years later there was a review of that decision, and four out of five of the judges were removed from office...!

Great, thanks for that and interesting to know,

[Thai at Heart]

Thailand endures a complex relationship with corruption characterised by weak governance, opaque webs of political patronage and an expectation of under-the-table payments to get things done.

Demonstrators trying to rid the country of Thaksin's influence by ousting the government led by his sister Yingluck Shinawatra believe he has broken the kingdom's tacit contract with graft, says political commentator Voranai Vanijaka of the Bangkok Post.

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.

"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

And herein lies the entire problem facing Thailand.

It will be a problem never resolved when it's the level of corruption that is tolerated, not that there is corruption. Who determines when that level is OK, or OTT? Who should be the beneficiaries of the corruption? Everyone, or just those who feel entitled?

Like everything here, there is supposedly a rule book, or laws, but they are subject to interpretation, and that interpretation depends on who you are, or how much you pay, (to ignore them). It's cultural, it's feudal. Unfortunately the country cannot progress unless it is addressed, which is very sad.

Thailand is a fantastic place, but consider how much more fantastic it could be.

There will always be corruption in any country, but start with the concept that it is illegal; start with observance and enforcement of the rule of law, for everyone, equally.

"I have a dream..."

It basically means that it is admitted that a politician is always under someone's thumb.

No wonder there is no principle in thailand when everyone is bent.

[gerry1011]

Well, ... as we all knew, these protests have nothing to do with "reforms".
It is just about the hate for only one man.
What is a pity is that many people, Suthep and Abhisit in the front line, do not hesitate to destroy democracy, only because of their hate.
Totally irrational...

[Local Drunk]

Thailand endures a complex relationship with corruption characterised by weak governance, opaque webs of political patronage and an expectation of under-the-table payments to get things done.

Demonstrators trying to rid the country of Thaksin's influence by ousting the government led by his sister Yingluck Shinawatra believe he has broken the kingdom's tacit contract with graft, says political commentator Voranai Vanijaka of the Bangkok Post.

"Thai people are quite pragmatic... we understand that everybody takes a little bite of the apple," he told AFP.

"The problem with Thaksin is that he put a sign on the whole apple tree saying 'property of the Shinawatra family'... that's dangerous to do here."

And herein lies the entire problem facing Thailand.

It will be a problem never resolved when it's the level of corruption that is tolerated, not that there is corruption. Who determines when that level is OK, or OTT? Who should be the beneficiaries of the corruption? Everyone, or just those who feel entitled?

Like everything here, there is supposedly a rule book, or laws, but they are subject to interpretation, and that interpretation depends on who you are, or how much you pay, (to ignore them). It's cultural, it's feudal. Unfortunately the country cannot progress unless it is addressed, which is very sad.

Thailand is a fantastic place, but consider how much more fantastic it could be.

There will always be corruption in any country, but start with the concept that it is illegal; start with observance and enforcement of the rule of law, for everyone, equally.

"I have a dream..."

It basically means that it is admitted that a politician is always under someone's thumb.

No wonder there is no principle in thailand when everyone is bent.

It's their culture to have the big man... which is why so many can't understand the politics here.

[Prbkk]

If this (together with the silly letter to Obama) is to be part of the international campaign to explain why Thaksin is no good, they can forget it. It won't work. No one in the west wants to hear: "this is Thailand, yes we are corrupt but that nasty guy just stole too much". That will be greeting with the derision it deserves.

The campaign needs to be: too much, NO more. Quite simple. How to achieve it..another matter entirely

[GeorgeO]

Well, your post is certainly "totally irrational", and whilst you can speak for yourself, you certainly can't speak for "all of us"...!

The current protests have everything to do with reforms, and those that are protesting don't harbor any hatred towards anyone in particular, that's the sole domain of the Red Shirt activists.

The destruction of democracy in Thailand has come about as a result of the greed of your beloved leader and his followers, and that is why the people are on the streets, because they have had enough of it.

You can continue to put a spin on anything anyone says, but you can never give a clear answer as to how this megalomaniac and his puppet government have been allowed to rape the country of its assets for so long with such impunity.

[GeorgeO]

If this (together with the silly letter to Obama) is to be part of the international campaign to explain why Thaksin is no good, they can forget it. It won't work. No one in the west wants to hear: "this is Thailand, yes we are corrupt but that nasty guy just stole too much". That will be greeting with the derision it deserves.

The campaign needs to be: too much, NO more. Quite simple. How to achieve it..another matter entirely

"The campaign needs to be: too much, NO more. Quite simple. How to achieve it..another matter entirely"

Forgive me if I'm oversimplifying your point, but isn't that exactly what's going on right now...?

[samtam]

Corruption is endemic and institutionalized here, with or without Thaksin's involvement, and backed by some very big players. Thaksin and his cronies are corrupt, but consider this:

Do people really believe that Thaksin is solely responsible for all the corruption that Thailand suffers and endures, or that his brand of corruption is an worse or any different than that of the other leeches who have been bleeding the people of Thailand dry for so long?

Do people really believe that the Thaksin's influence is wholly responsible for the day to day corruption perpetrated by the back street gangsters and mafia bosses where I live.

Where I work, the local cops get paid of by the bloke who sells copy DVD's outside 7/11, the street vendors pay off the market inspectors and the local money lender operates in plain view. Who's responsible for that? Thaksin?

People have short memories. The past and recent history of Thailand's corruption - political or otherwise - is littered with cases: The Klong Dam project, the Hopewell project and the Klong Chan Credit Union scandals to name but a few.

Politics in Thailand is a business opportunity, plain and simple.

When the Thaksin influence finally dissipates, you can bet with 100% certainty that there will be others - the usual suspects? - who will pick up the pieces and carry on as they have always done.

I agree arthurboy. And sadly, I don't think this so-called Reform Movement will address any of the issues effectively. I do not anticipate seeing any change in the way things are run and done in Thailand in my lifetime, or within the lifespan of my children, (if I had any).

Like I said, "I have a dream...".

But, I have to applaud any attempt to at least recognise that the issue of corruption is a severe problem for the future growth of this country. Implementation is quite another matter, but in the last 10 years that I have lived here there has been a seismic change in attitude by Thais as to how they want to live their lives. Whether that attitude can make palpable changes is open to question, but the status quo ante ship has sailed.

It will be a bumpy ride for the next 50 years.

[Prbkk]

If this (together with the silly letter to Obama) is to be part of the international campaign to explain why Thaksin is no good, they can forget it. It won't work. No one in the west wants to hear: "this is Thailand, yes we are corrupt but that nasty guy just stole too much". That will be greeting with the derision it deserves.

The campaign needs to be: too much, NO more. Quite simple. How to achieve it..another matter entirely

"The campaign needs to be: too much, NO more. Quite simple. How to achieve it..another matter entirely"

Forgive me if I'm oversimplifying your point, but isn't that exactly what's going on right now...?

No, I don't believe so. I cannot imagine that a campaign, already announced, to explain why Thaksin is "toxic" will be given any credibility if part of the explanation includes the idea that a bit of corruption is culturally acceptable/normal. The whole focus has been on Thaksin...that is a huge and fundamental mistake, IMHO