chooka Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 This is a great opportunity for Suthep to lift his profile and possibly garnish some more support. He needs to get up on his stage and vigorously denounce such actions. He needs to public call on his supporters in the loudest possible manner to not resort to such violence or to kidnap government officials. If he does this he may even lift himself up in the eyes of the international community. Suthep call for the immeadiate investigation and arrest of the persons responsible and give the police your utmost support. Maybe some sincere and truly heart felt messages of condolences and support to the victims family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerdee123 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The curious thing is that the other paper is reporting the discovery by Police of 30 M16 casings near the fence, and Khaosod, 7.62mm casings. probably neither know what they are talking about ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Oh dear. So sad. Never mind. What a sick comment. How can you wish that on anybody? Same goes for those that "liked" your shameful post. Indeed, Just for the keyboard warriors don't forget there are other people it affects, not just the victim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 This is a great opportunity for Suthep to lift his profile and possibly garnish some more support. He needs to get up on his stage and vigorously denounce such actions. He needs to public call on his supporters in the loudest possible manner to not resort to such violence or to kidnap government officials. If he does this he may even lift himself up in the eyes of the international community. Suthep call for the immeadiate investigation and arrest of the persons responsible and give the police your utmost support. Maybe some sincere and truly heart felt messages of condolences and support to the victims family. Why would Suthep bother commenting on something that is probably a business deal gone wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay49 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thank you Mr.Suthep, another victim on your account!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokahontass Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 can any of you brave ppl tell me if its safe to go outside yet. i want to go to 7eleven and get some chocolate cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 This is a great opportunity for Suthep to lift his profile and possibly garnish some more support. He needs to get up on his stage and vigorously denounce such actions. He needs to public call on his supporters in the loudest possible manner to not resort to such violence or to kidnap government officials. If he does this he may even lift himself up in the eyes of the international community. Suthep call for the immeadiate investigation and arrest of the persons responsible and give the police your utmost support. Maybe some sincere and truly heart felt messages of condolences and support to the victims family. Why would Suthep bother commenting on something that is probably a business deal gone wrong? I didn't realise it was part of a business deal. My appologies I assumed that it was part of the pro and anti government situation. I stand duly corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings <snip> A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. More here - straitstime Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........ National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ... The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Chalerm's third hand at work again. I notice he keeps it behind his back at press conferences. I thought it was a third hand that worked Chalerm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnaag Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 can any of you brave ppl tell me if its safe to go outside yet. i want to go to 7eleven and get some chocolate cake chocolate cake from 7eleven?you must be a very brave person because coconut fat is not good for your health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Not having shot any concrete posts at 100m, or having viewed other photographs of same, I will bow to your expertise. So what are they consistent with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings <snip> A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. More here - straitstime Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........ National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ... The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Looks bigger to me, but perhaps the post was near the shooter and the target was way further on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trembly Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If anyone bore a grudge on him for any reason whatsoever this would be the perfect time... Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Not having shot any concrete posts at 100m, or having viewed other photographs of same, I will bow to your expertise. So what are they consistent with? Assuming the ammunition is in good condition as manufactured I would expect 3 rounds to have impacted heavily enough to blow away substantial pieces of concrete to at least expose some internal rebar. As I said earlier it looks like .22 to me. But to be sure you need to be there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBD Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2014 Got to love the Thaivisa ballistics experts who can tell the calibre of bullet and the range it was fired from by looking at some grainy photo of a hole in a concrete post. Any ideas on the make and model? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Got to love the Thaivisa ballistics experts who can tell the calibre of bullet and the range it was fired from by looking at some grainy photo of a hole in a concrete post. Any ideas on the make and model? You can ignore us chum. Good to talk sometimes, Chill out and have a beer. .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Not having shot any concrete posts at 100m, or having viewed other photographs of same, I will bow to your expertise. So what are they consistent with? Assuming the ammunition is in good condition as manufactured I would expect 3 rounds to have impacted heavily enough to blow away substantial pieces of concrete to at least expose some internal rebar. As I said earlier it looks like .22 to me. But to be sure you need to be there! Bloody big assumption old son. A lot of the AK ammo floating around asia has been around since the Viet Nam war. And while Russia was generously supplying NVN, a lot of stuff they sold them was out of date - bolt action SSKs and old ammo due to be scrapped way back then. Edited January 22, 2014 by JRSoul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Got to love the Thaivisa ballistics experts who can tell the calibre of bullet and the range it was fired from by looking at some grainy photo of a hole in a concrete post. Any ideas on the make and model? It's difficult to be sure of the make or model of the concrete post. One assumes it is 4 inches wide and made of low grade Thai concrete. What I was saying the damage did not look consistent with 3 hits of 7.62mm at the reported distance of 100m As for the ballistics knowledge you are attempting to take the pssi out of, pray tell us, what do you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Not having shot any concrete posts at 100m, or having viewed other photographs of same, I will bow to your expertise. So what are they consistent with? Assuming the ammunition is in good condition as manufactured I would expect 3 rounds to have impacted heavily enough to blow away substantial pieces of concrete to at least expose some internal rebar. As I said earlier it looks like .22 to me. But to be sure you need to be there! Bloody big assumption old son. A lot of the AK ammo floating around asia has been around since the Viet Nam war. And while Russia was generously supplying NVN, a lot of stuff they sold them was out of date - bolt action SSKs and old ammo due to be scrapped way back then. If it was old expired degraded ammo that would explain both the lack of damage to the post and the reason the victim is still alive as opposed to multiple fatal internal injuries sustained by ricocheting high velocity tumblers.... Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits. "A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates An AK47 on full auto is not a very accurate weapon at those distances. Muzzle climb can be significant. Only an untrained idiot would attempt a 42 round auto burst. I will go with that one. Let's say, 2 seconds apart to allow barrow to stabilize and re-aim in single shot mode that would be 84 seconds. Don't think they would want to hang around firing away that long and the target would have moved post haste by then also considering an arm & leg wound only. Of course, there may have been multiple weapons, but still rather amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briboy Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) RT @RichardBarrow: Two bullets hit Kwanchai, others hit this concrete pillar (Via @Chu_SpringNews) http://t.co/aK3XxC5VMg n IF it was a high velocity round the firing point would have had to have been a long long way away if the picture is true! Or the rounds had already passed through an obstacle. Sorry already been mentioned withdrawn post. Edited January 22, 2014 by briboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Karma; sooner or later it catches up. Thai politics are a dangerous profession! Nice to watch along the sidelines and hopefully we don't get caught in the crossfire while out & about here in the big unstable Mango. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerdee123 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings <snip> A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. More here - straitstime Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........ National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ... The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! Don't forget this is a concrete post poured by a Thai contractor. Also it looks like their amazing weapon shot a two or three inch piece out of that rebar. I wonder if Kwanchai was sitting out in that field or in that sandbox drinking his coffee. Edited January 22, 2014 by rogerdee123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Surprised no one's blamed the red shirts for doing this in an attempt to discredit the anti-government protesters! Probably because it is as absurd as saying the grenade attacks on the anti government protesters is self inflicted for the same reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loles Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 AK-47 ? They really know what is the good weapon to kill. Mr, Kalasnikov would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 42 rounds from 100 yds at a sitting duck target, with 2 hits. "A rabble is no more an army than a pile of building materials is a house. " Socrates An AK47 on full auto is not a very accurate weapon at those distances. Muzzle climb can be significant. Only an untrained idiot would attempt a 42 round auto burst. I will go with that one. Let's say, 2 seconds apart to allow barrow to stabilize and re-aim in single shot mode that would be 84 seconds. Don't think they would want to hang around firing away that long and the target would have moved post haste by then also considering an arm & leg wound only. Of course, there may have been multiple weapons, but still rather amateurs. But that's not using your weapon's capability. On auto with 3-4 round bursts and a cyclic rate ~600rpm, you should easily manage a burst every 2 seconds. With anybody competent and a sighted rifle, the guy should be hamburger. The less accurate model is 'capable of shooting 4–6 inch groups at 100 yards' and 'The best shooters are able to hit a man-sized target at 800 metres with five shots (firing from prone position or a trench) or ten shots (standing)' source wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Got to love the Thaivisa ballistics experts who can tell the calibre of bullet and the range it was fired from by looking at some grainy photo of a hole in a concrete post. Any ideas on the make and model? It's difficult to be sure of the make or model of the concrete post. One assumes it is 4 inches wide and made of low grade Thai concrete. What I was saying the damage did not look consistent with 3 hits of 7.62mm at the reported distance of 100m As for the ballistics knowledge you are attempting to take the pssi out of, pray tell us, what do you think? Whilst we are all off topic I would also like to discuss the concrete post. By the looks of it, it was constructed by an 11 yr and 73 day old Burmese boy who was kidnapped and used as slave labour. He was forced to mix concrete left over from the Vietnam war and had no pride in his work, hence the use of to much sand causing the structure to be weak and brittle. The actual shots were fired by a 12 yr old girl called AIR using a slug/BB gun ho is still pissed off that the Thai authorities haven't captured and prosecuted her tormentors. The Thai authorities have lost face over the incident and fabricated a new story of a machine gun being used. It is all very logical and simple really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loles Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thank you Mr.Suthep, another victim on your account!! Man, you have to see your doctor as soon as possible, or if you are simple drunk don't drink more today! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerdee123 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm wondering if that miniature zebra in the sandbox may have also been hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thailand's red shirt leader shot; police pick up 42 bullet casings <snip> A police source told The Straits Times 42 bullet casings were found at the scene, and Mr Kwanchai had been hit in the right arm and leg while he was sitting outside his office drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. More here - straitstime Hmmmmmmm, regular AK47 doesn't hold 42 rounds in it's clip........ National Magazine 50 Round Black Mag For AK-47/7.62X39MM ... The holes in the post are not consistent with 7.62mm @ 100m ! The post is close to the road where they shot from, I presume Mr Kwanchai was near the building 100m away. That gun barrel must have been glowing cherry red.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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