Do Australians MIND that they do not have a vote?

[Theoutsider]

Double post

Edited January 30, 2014 by Theoutsider

[Muhendis]

Why not? Bangkok is sinking anyway, literally and figuratively.

Why not you ask?

Answer is, because they have already moved to Buri Ram.

[alphaflight]

As usual the Thai's speak before thinking. What's going to happen when the next big flood comes along; you're going to need help from somewhere. That's gong to come at a huge cost, and I'm not even talking about money; think long-term occupation, which will be likely; even without a national disaster. Oh Ya; and say goodbye to warm sandy beaches!

Edited January 30, 2014 by alphaflight

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

HaHa...Haha...these Red's always good for a big laugh, if only they would be less violent and intimitating....

Anyhow, their position is that Chiang Mai or Northern Thailand actually wants to become Thaksinland. And this is based on an election 2 1/2 years ago, which by the way shows that the reds did not have the majority in all northern provinces...

Well guys, the tide has turned and I am sure that many of the initial sympathies which Thaksin received like 'let's give them a chance, maybe things become better' did turn the other way around due to the dismail performance of his people.

So in other words, Northern Thailand does not want to become Thaksinland!

[Lucie]

Think twice Red shirts! Yingluck might not have THB 780,000,000,000 to spend anymore on populist policies...

Yes, the north would be more like Laos and Burma without Bangkok and the south. But if that's what they want, why not. Both side should happy. Other countries have split amicably. e.g. Czech & Slovakia.

They might end up surprisingly underpopulated, as all the non-reds, and the smarter reds who see what would happen, move out sharpish! I'm not a fan of this "idea" as I live in the heart of redland! Come to think of it, Ubon would be a better capital than Chiang Mai. More supporters for them, and better border crossings for their imports.

But seriously. It's unbelievable that leaders of political movements actually talk this much bo***cks.

[steveromagnino]

I have put forward this idea several times in various blogs . Those who question where the financing will come from for northern social needs have a point , that Bangkok and Rayong seem to be the industrial centre . The workforce in general comes from the north and northeast and if they didn't come south ,

the current industries would lack manpower .

Factories are located in places where there are hubs and spokes (e.g. automotive), places to ship from, clear rule of law and close to power supply - in fact power and water are major reasons why factories choose Thailand. Khon Kaen , Udon Thani and Changmai are all quite far from the ships needed to move cars/etc and to receive raw materials - there have been multiple attempts to set up factories upcountry; it is not so easy for certain product types; some are well suited. Let the market decide (and they have).

For the major factories, it is not necessary to hire just Thais, and in fact many factories and labourer type jobs are increasingly passing up using only Thais and going with Combodians, Burmese, Vietnamese and Laotians. This is because you can rely on them not putting down their tools in May and then turning up again in October and because there are not enough workers to go around.

Now if the rice pledging scheme is wound up, then we will be able to get all those workers doing something useful for the country working and paying tax. I would imagine most of the taxi drivers and so forth who choose to come to factories etc Bangkok for more earnings etc - it's all based on logic and freedom of movement; once AEC kicks in then this trend will only increase. Again, another reason to stay as a single country.

Edited January 30, 2014 by steveromagnino

[pipkins]

" The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Yeah right. Then you will end up like other land locked metropolis' such as Loas, Afghanistan, South Sudan etc etc

Are you sure? According to the last election results, it seems to me that Bangkok would be the almost land locked metropolis in such a scenario. Even the entire North East of Bangkok is red:

Could draw the line with this election results map. Feel for the people in those Northeast little blue pockets.

This is getting rather silly, don't we think?

It is a very serious proposition. At the moment, we have 8 provinces in the South, controlled by Suthep and his henchmen dragging the country toward Civil War. Cut them off I say.

100% the North would prosper more than the South.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Just try it and you will see what happens. First most people in the North are these days against the reds anyhow and even if the reds try with their usual muscle manners to rip away a part of Thailand, it will give finally the Army a good reason to clean them up once for all. Peace will finally come back to Thailand.

[metisdead]

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[spirit47]

Would be interesting, where the weapons come from and what the army think of it.

[Theoutsider]

Just try it and you will see what happens. First most people in the North are these days against the reds anyhow and even if the reds try with their usual muscle manners to rip away a part of Thailand, it will give finally the Army a good reason to clean them up once for all. Peace will finally come back to Thailand.

How many?

[noikrit]

What they want MORE !!! ... Aren't they happy enough already with the new Chin / Thai chemical factoriy being built next door to their Housing Estates ??? CHOOKA !! Luv them Red Governers !!!

[tilac2]

No problem as long as none of the tax I pay goes to fund them up there. We'll then see how long the local rice farmers can sustain them without the support of the oh so hated middle class and elite.

Actually Bangkok does not 'support' the northeast with public expenditures if that's what you mean. According to the World Bank, it is the other way round. Bangkok takes far more of the general public expenditures than is its fair share based on either its population or GDP, and the northeast takes far less.

Edited January 30, 2014 by tilac2

[Equalizer]

You are all so quick to rip into Thaksin and the Government but you all forget to acknowledge the facts. Most of the people in this country are piss poor. One example is a piece of no mans land near Jontien that has been occupied for the past 45 years by poor squid fishermen and their families. Going back 10 years ago a bunch of police thugs came to evict them and try to sell the land to developers. The people went to Bangkok and petitioned the Thaksin government to intervene. Within 2 months every family on that land where issued family books for the patch of land they lived on. Yes Thaksin was corrupt but if he was not how could he compete with the aristocracy and the forces who are all corrupt. Money is power, power is money, the Brass have it, so you need to sacrifice to get it, otherwise you have no ammunition to compete. Suthep and his palm oil scam for one!!! At least Thaksin did give back to the people who needed help the most. You find the Brass doing this and i will plat crap. You need to sit back and wonder to yourselves why is this man was so popular, unless you are so stupid to accuse the people of being stupid of course!!!

[bigbamboo]

SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST

Red shirts in Chiang Mai in favour of new capital in case of coup

BANGKOK: -- The red shirt movement in Chiang Mai province has prepared a retreat for caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra should the military stage a coup d'etat.

In that case, Yingluck government can be relocated to Chiang Mai, the home province of the Shinawatra clan, with the Northern city becoming the capital.

Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted red shirt activist, Mahawang Kawang, as saying that their movement is large enough to challenge the military.

"We are not afraid. All the red groups will unite. We are willing to sacrifice our lives," said Kawang, president of the alumni association of Yupparaj school in Chiang Mai where Yingluck was once a student.

"It is likely the government will move to Chiang Mai. We can defeat tanks because we have the numbers," Kawang added.

Red shirt supporters have spread rumours that the military will intervene to quell the ongoing chaos in the country caused by antigovernment protests led by former Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban. Suthep has led 'Bangkok Shutdown' campaign since January 13, seeking national reform

The Post reported that some experts consider the government relocating as an unlikely prospect.

Red shirt organiser Supon Fumuljaroen, a former classmate of Thaksin, is now vicechairman of the UDD in Chiang Mai province. They both hail from the small town of San Kamphaeng, about 30 minutes drive from the city of Chiang Mai.

The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Pinkaew Laungaramsri, a sociologist at Chiang Mai University, said the northsouth divide meant that Thailand was breaking up.

"If the government is kicked out then Yingluck will be invited to set up a government here in Chiang Mai," she said.

-- The Nation 2014-01-30

Once again the red shirts demonstrate their complete lack of economical understanding. A country comprising only of the north and northeast would be a financial disaster for that country. But hey, if they want to try, why not let them. The rest of Thailand would only be missing 2 things in that case, rice and cheap labour, both of which can be imported quite cheap and plentiful from neighbouring countries.

on the contrary the new country in the north/northeast would be missing pretty much everything but rice and cheap labour - especially cash :-)

And with no opposition there would be no need to bribe the farmers with higher rice prices so even less money would go to the poor.

Lannaland would become another Cambodia and of course we can't even speculate on who will be the head of state.

Edited January 30, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Tatsujin]

No problem as long as none of the tax I pay goes to fund them up there. We'll then see how long the local rice farmers can sustain them without the support of the oh so hated middle class and elite.

Actually Bangkok does not 'support' the northeast with public expenditures if that's what you mean. According to the World Bank, it is the other way round. Bangkok takes far more of the general public expenditures than is its fair share based on either its population or GDP, and the northeast takes far less.

I stand corrected then and they have my full support and blessings.

[alphaflight]

"It is likely the government will move to Chiang Mai. We can defeat tanks because we have the numbers," Kawang added.

How do propose to defeat the fighter jets, attack helicopters, and bombers?

[Theoutsider]

No problem as long as none of the tax I pay goes to fund them up there. We'll then see how long the local rice farmers can sustain them without the support of the oh so hated middle class and elite.

Actually Bangkok does not 'support' the northeast with public expenditures if that's what you mean. According to the World Bank, it is the other way round. Bangkok takes far more of the general public expenditures than is its fair share based on either its population or GDP, and the northeast takes far less.

There in cahoots world bank, NWO, and the Shinawatras

Ha ha

[alphaflight]

SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST

Red shirts in Chiang Mai in favour of new capital in case of coup

BANGKOK: -- The red shirt movement in Chiang Mai province has prepared a retreat for caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra should the military stage a coup d'etat.

In that case, Yingluck government can be relocated to Chiang Mai, the home province of the Shinawatra clan, with the Northern city becoming the capital.

Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted red shirt activist, Mahawang Kawang, as saying that their movement is large enough to challenge the military.

"We are not afraid. All the red groups will unite. We are willing to sacrifice our lives," said Kawang, president of the alumni association of Yupparaj school in Chiang Mai where Yingluck was once a student.

"It is likely the government will move to Chiang Mai. We can defeat tanks because we have the numbers," Kawang added.

Red shirt supporters have spread rumours that the military will intervene to quell the ongoing chaos in the country caused by antigovernment protests led by former Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban. Suthep has led 'Bangkok Shutdown' campaign since January 13, seeking national reform

The Post reported that some experts consider the government relocating as an unlikely prospect.

Red shirt organiser Supon Fumuljaroen, a former classmate of Thaksin, is now vicechairman of the UDD in Chiang Mai province. They both hail from the small town of San Kamphaeng, about 30 minutes drive from the city of Chiang Mai.

The Post quoted Supon, a former policeman as saying "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok."

Pinkaew Laungaramsri, a sociologist at Chiang Mai University, said the northsouth divide meant that Thailand was breaking up.

"If the government is kicked out then Yingluck will be invited to set up a government here in Chiang Mai," she said.

-- The Nation 2014-01-30

Once again the red shirts demonstrate their complete lack of economical understanding. A country comprising only of the north and northeast would be a financial disaster for that country. But hey, if they want to try, why not let them. The rest of Thailand would only be missing 2 things in that case, rice and cheap labour, both of which can be imported quite cheap and plentiful from neighbouring countries.

on the contrary the new country in the north/northeast would be missing pretty much everything but rice and cheap labour - especially cash :-)

And with no opposition there would be no need to bribe the farmers with higher rice prices so even less money would go to the poor.

Lannaland would become another Cambodia and of course we can't even speculate on who will be the head of state.

Probably the same country to flies their flag in Laos, that is buying up all of Cambodia, though investments; and who is responsible for this article!

Edited January 30, 2014 by alphaflight

[Theoutsider]

"It is likely the government will move to Chiang Mai. We can defeat tanks because we have the numbers," Kawang added.

How do propose to defeat the fighter jets, attack helicopters, and bombers?

Watermelon s

[Ricardo]

Poor old Isaarn, stiffed yet again by the Shin-amart, let them eat (their own) rice !

Don't they at least deserve to be considered, to have one of their own towns, as the new capital ... seemingly not ?

Perhaps the new country of Northern Thailand might take a vote, on where their capital might be, or would that be undemocratic ???

[lungmi]

Chiang Mai as one capital of Thailand is better than Dubai. No?

[15Peter20]

Some red shirts are getting a bit emotional. I don't think they represent most red shirts nationwide.

But, he said "The majority of redshirts really like the idea of a separate state. If they stage a coup, we can live without Bangkok." It must be true if he said it.

Interesting the way things work...some people on this forum would not trust a word any red shirt says, but hang on - when a red shirt says something that's in line with their prejudices or fuels their hatred, then HALLELUYA - THEY'RE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!

[bikerider21]

Think twice Red shirts! Yingluck might not have THB 780,000,000,000 to spend anymore on populist policies...

Yes, the north would be more like Laos and Burma without Bangkok and the south. But if that's what they want, why not. Both side should happy. Other countries have split amicably. e.g. Czech & Slovakia.

Yeah why not? Thoughtless Morons! Where does the oil come from to feed the power stations? Where does the food and beer come from. Already forgotten the floods when basic foods, sugar, even bottled water wasn't available.

Why do so many people talk total absolute unqualified rubbish on Thaivisa?

I suppose that's the basic idea. Let the loonies have their say.

[bigbamboo]

"It is likely the government will move to Chiang Mai. We can defeat tanks because we have the numbers," Kawang added.

How do propose to defeat the fighter jets, attack helicopters, and bombers?

Not to mention the submarine gliding silently up the Ping river.........

[sawadee1947]

the best idea ever. Let the yellows rule BKK, even seperation is good. Gives peace at last. Nobody needs Suthep!

[monkeycountry]

Just imagine if this would ever come to pass...........

The biggest hindrance would be the lack of access to ports and harbours. However, the North would be in control of the water. They could flood Bangkok at their will, thus ensuring that industries would relocate.

At the same time, they also control a lot of the staple diet of Thais...... as well as the cheap labour.

Bangkok might slowly start to lose their supply of maids, drivers, cleaners..... bar girls, massage girls.... (horror of horrors). They would also have nowhere to go for their holidays (Nan, Pai, CM etc would require visas for Bangkokians)

The problems of the deep South would then be that of the Bkk administration - I'm sure any govt would love to be rid of that problem.

Is it your experience that cheap labour and food is controlled by the countries it comes from? If that is the case, then why do those countries not just raise the prices?

I think you will find it is a matter of supply and demand, and more often than not the demand side is the one in control, especially in the cases of cheap labour and food where anyone can supply it.

I think you will find that in case anyone deliberately floods Bangkok, Bangkok would implement counter measures such as dams and channels. Financing it will no longer be a problem as Bangkok no longer has to subsidise the north/northeast.

Do you expect all the maids, drivers and bargirls to relocate to the new country in the north where the only job waiting will be rice farming, not at 40% above market price, but at normal market price, and where there will be noone to fund schools and hospitals? I think you will find they will all stay at their current jobs in Bangkok etc., and alot more from the new country in the north will follow them, now that rice farming will collapse due to the lack of subsidies.

Basically you will end up with a situation similar to Korea, where the only way to keep people from fleeing poverty in the north is to stop them with force at the border.

You are right on 1 account though. The problem in the south will still be a problem.

[daboyz1]

Sure, hand over your Thai ID, passports, and pay up your part of the debt first...

I remember when the Quebec separatist referendum almost passed in 1995. Once of the Canadian federal government's points was that if you leave, you owe us money for everything we spent in in the province over the years. Bridges, roads etc.

[Thaiready]

You laugh now but I like the idea...I am a citizen having lived here for 14 years. Me and many more like me would love to be seperate from you High and Mighty Bangkok Elites. But the Captial should be Khon Kaen.

[allan michaud]

Will Chiangmai be renamed into Jonestown for that occasion ?

The new capital of Shinawatraland.

All hail Thaksin.