transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes more than two. Bugatti....... No but close...I had to look. Rascal............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes more than two. Bugatti....... No but close...I had to look. Rascal............ Bentley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Bentley Supercharged...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Bentley Supercharged...... Regular 3 litre & 4/12 were 4 valve too. Edited February 3, 2014 by Woodsie888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Bugatti is very close. I believe the Bentley was the first road car but there was another one racing years before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Bugatti is very close. I believe the Bentley was the first road car but there was another one racing years before. Hmmmm, might have to cheat............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Bugatti is very close. I believe the Bentley was the first road car but there was another one racing years before. Hmmmm, might have to cheat............ For me the fascinating thing is was 1912 only about 25 years after the invention of the automobile. When it comes to internal combustion engines nothing much is actually new, except the availability to the masses. Edited February 3, 2014 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Aye, Peugeot L76 in 1912, held the land speed record for a while. Twin overhead cams, 16 valves, 7.2 liters and about 90bhp! So nothing much new but a lot more power per litre these days. Looks like Peugeot actually commissioned Ettore Bugatti to build them later and EB nicked the design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) So nothing much new but a lot more power per litre these days. But that is down to manufacturing techniques, materials and fuel quality. The old guys knew what to do just.... Have we had the first car with disc brakes? Edited February 3, 2014 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Kind of. Once you have an internal combustion engine it's a fairly short step to try more valves. I've never really understood why pushrod engines came about as it seems obvious that an OHC is better, but I'm sure there's a logical explanation. Like drum brakes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Aye, Peugeot L76 in 1912, held the land speed record for a while. Twin overhead cams, 16 valves, 7.2 liters and about 90bhp! So nothing much new but a lot more power per litre these days. Looks like Peugeot actually commissioned Ettore Bugatti to build them later and EB nicked the design! Well done! It was a great question. I know nothing about Peugeot L76's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Ok the first car with disc brakes has been done how about how about cars with a manual transmission and a free wheel system? Edited February 3, 2014 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Ok the first car with disc brakes has been done how about how about cars with a manual transmission and a free wheel system? Armstrong Siddeley? Daimler? Edit: forgot Rover? Edited February 3, 2014 by Woodsie888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Tucker Torpedo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Bugatti is very close. I believe the Bentley was the first road car but there was another one racing years before. Hmmmm, might have to cheat............ For me the fascinating thing is was 1912 only about 25 years after the invention of the automobile. When it comes to internal combustion engines nothing much is actually new, except the availability to the masses. Almost ALL the mechanical systems in use on a "modern-day" car are inventions of the 19th century (i.e.the 1800s) or before. As with so many "inventions" they weren't really and invention such but an agglomeration of various ideas, inventions and designs that were already in existence. So...what about the first DIFFERENTIAL? Edited February 3, 2014 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Kind of. Once you have an internal combustion engine it's a fairly short step to try more valves. I've never really understood why pushrod engines came about as it seems obvious that an OHC is better, but I'm sure there's a logical explanation. Like drum brakes... Probably because OHC is much more prone to wear and tear than push rods . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Kind of. Once you have an internal combustion engine it's a fairly short step to try more valves. I've never really understood why pushrod engines came about as it seems obvious that an OHC is better, but I'm sure there's a logical explanation. Like drum brakes... Early automotive engines were side valves which didn't need rockers. (up till the 60s, AND I believe H-D were culprits??) They were therefore lower and more compact with fewer moving parts. Once you start to put the camshaft on the top of the engine you start making it really tall. In the UK in particular the tax laws for cars were based on the surface area of the piston - this lead to the development of really long-stroke engines rot get the CCs......again if they have been OHC they would have been incredibly tall. Edited February 3, 2014 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBD Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Really? I would have thought more moving parts would mean OHV engines have more to go wrong? I guess lubrication is easier though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Why do Connolly, the finest Brit Leather Upholstery suppliers buy from Scandinavia, when they have their own Cows. One of them i married back in the Sixties. . Connolly don't exist any more do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 In 1963 General Motors Holden released an Iconic Aussie motor car. Fast Forward to 1972 - My question is...was it a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday night at the drive in that I finally got into Sylvia Smiths pants? Trick question...I never got into Sylvia Smiths pants.....though I tried hard She told me........... What about the Sandman???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Correct . Connoly is a Shop now,but if you have a Restoration done they ask you if you want Connoly Quality Leather , or old brit moo cow.Why is that.?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So...what about the first DIFFERENTIAL? First diff. in a car? Difficult! It is such an old invention. I remember on the History Channel a south pointing cart in China way back when but don't think they actually invented the diff. Its one of those things one discovers when playing with gears or trying to push a Kart around in the pits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Never mind the answers it is difficult to think of a quality question! How about Porsche's first 4-door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Never mind the answers it is difficult to think of a quality question! How about Porsche's first 4-door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Never mind the answers it is difficult to think of a quality question! How about Porsche's first 4-door? They made a 4 door 911 once in the early 70's I think. It was a concept, so doesn't probably count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Barbed Wire used in the U.K. spoils big hides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 What was the biggest engine put in an MG Mini Metro...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 As a Production Car or Race/Rally /Drag.?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 As a Production Car or Race/Rally /Drag.?. OK, hmmmmmmmm, what ever you like, entered as an MG Mini Metro. Not drag cos that could be anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMarlow Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 As a Production Car or Race/Rally /Drag.?. OK, hmmmmmmmm, what ever you like, entered as an MG Mini Metro. Not drag cos that could be anything. Don't know the engine size, probably around 3 litres but it was a V6, called the 6R4 or something like that? Built for homologation so it could compete in some rally event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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