canman Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I am not disagreeing with you , I said "of course we are seeing the highest temperatures now". After an ice age things get warmer, that is how it works. Do you seriously think that this hasn't been taken into account? that only YOU thought of this? I think you seriously underestimate the thinking behind this topic.....even though the answer is simple - man made climate change is just about as near to fact as science allows. My old friend Wilco. I wonder if you could help me point out the strawman in your argument. And if you like you can also explain the phrase, "as close to fact as science allows". Does it mean, not a fact as in, not a real thing? sadly your comments reveal you don't understand the first thing about scientific argument and proof. I've asked many times, where is this alleged proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canman Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 "Forget humans, RODENTS are the climate villains: Squirrels and beavers are contributing to global warming far more than previously thought" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2877313/Scientists-ground-squirrels-beavers-contributing-global-warming-previously-released.html The science then is settled, the rodents did it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It is not the first time that the downfall of man has been linked to beavers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It is not the first time that the downfall of man has been linked to beavers. And that really is an ESTABLISHED FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickBradford Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Naomi Klein (who we have discussed before) has finally broken the last taboo, which climate activists have been struggling to avoid uttering over the years. Yes, if you disagree with the UN on climate matters, you are a racist -- and more, you are a white supremacist. "Thinly veiled notions of racial superiority have informed every aspect of the non-response to climate change so far. Racism is what has made it possible to systematically look away from the climate threat for more than two decades. “What would governments do if black and brown lives counted as much as white lives?" These rage-filled people desperately try to portray themselves as reasonable people with the future health of the planet as their only concern, but they can't help the hairy heel slipping out from time to time and revealing their true motivation. Klein knows very little about people and even less about science, but cannot be ignored given the extreme length of the conga line of emotionally immature dimwits who regard her as some kind of a sage, and even buy her books. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 18 December 2014 Last updated at 22:36 Carbon dioxide satellite mission returns first global maps By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent, BBC News, San Francisco Nasa's Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO-2) has returned its first global maps of the greenhouse gas CO2. The satellite was sent up in July to help pinpoint the key locations on the Earth's surface where carbon dioxide is being emitted and absorbed. This should help scientists better understand how human activities are influencing the climate. Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30399073 -- BBC 2014-12-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Naomi Klein (who we have discussed before) has finally broken the last taboo, which climate activists have been struggling to avoid uttering over the years. Yes, if you disagree with the UN on climate matters, you are a racist -- and more, you are a white supremacist. "Thinly veiled notions of racial superiority have informed every aspect of the non-response to climate change so far. Racism is what has made it possible to systematically look away from the climate threat for more than two decades. What would governments do if black and brown lives counted as much as white lives?" These rage-filled people desperately try to portray themselves as reasonable people with the future health of the planet as their only concern, but they can't help the hairy heel slipping out from time to time and revealing their true motivation. Klein knows very little about people and even less about science, but cannot be ignored given the extreme length of the conga line of emotionally immature dimwits who regard her as some kind of a sage, and even buy her books. Ok Rick, you found one person who's shrill. You tried to find that person, and you did, congratulations. There are still a plurality of scientists and millions of people who believe, as I do, that burning fossil fuels are a contributing factor to GW. Even if it weren't a contributing factor, it would still be good to lessen burning fossil fuels, if only to render cities less awful places to reside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickBradford Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Once again, Naomi Klein is not just one ordinary person, but an author and speaker of considerable celebrity. Furthermore, her charge is stark; do you disagree with the UN position on Global Warming? If so, you are a racist and white supremacist. That doesn't sound like scientific language to me. And she's right; the Global Warming debate never was about science, but about ideology, and in Klein's case a rather infantile Marxist ideology. If you think the planet's overheating because of fossil fuel use, don't call Naomi -- she isn't interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wrong totally thats why they changed it from global warming to climate change. Last 19 years no warming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Ban summers the sun is the main driver to global temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/05/14/co2-nears-400-ppm-relax-its-not-global-warming-end-times-but-only-a-big-yawn-climate-depot-special-report/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Is this the same bunch of UEA climate experts who had to apologise for fiddling the figures - yeah thought so http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8390982.stm The very same who predicted back in the '60's a coming ice age. Follow the money - Al Gore and his bunch. That science is settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wonder why greenland was called greenland? Strange eh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wonder why greenland was called greenland? Strange eh Careful. Don't upset those followers of the Gore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Peer reviewed papers global warming hoax http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/page.php?8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 35 inconvenient truths Al Gores lies http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/03/blood-and-gore-making-a-killing-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/ Edited December 26, 2014 by Bomonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wrong totally thats why they changed it from global warming to climate change. Last 19 years no warming Wrong. 9 out of 10 of the hottest years on record were in the first part of this century. Wonder why greenland was called greenland? Strange ehWhy was Turkey called Turkey: lots of turkeys? Why was Greece called Greece? Lots of thick oil? Why was Hungary called Hungary? Lots of hungry people there? Why Mongolia? Mongolian idiots there? Why Siam? Siamese twins abundant there? India has a lot of India ink? Is Chile chilly? ....strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Not wrong http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-hits-18-years-on-rss-data.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wrong totally thats why they changed it from global warming to climate change. Last 19 years no warming Wrong. 9 out of 10 of the hottest years on record were in the first part of this century.Wonder why greenland was called greenland? Strange ehWhy was Turkey called Turkey: lots of turkeys?Why was Greece called Greece? Lots of thick oil? Why was Hungary called Hungary? Lots of hungry people there? Why Mongolia? Mongolian idiots there? Why Siam? Siamese twins abundant there? India has a lot of India ink? Is Chile chilly? ....strange. not wrong http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-hits-18-years-on-rss-data.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Lord Christopher Monckton ends the Global Warming…: Edited December 26, 2014 by Bomonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wrong totally thats why they changed it from global warming to climate change. Last 19 years no warming That's incorrect - you have accepted the interpretation of some of the media - see the start of this thread...if you can be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Not wrong at all http://www.hirhome.com/climate_change/global_warming06.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Wonder why greenland was called greenland? Strange eh Greenland was allegedly called that as a sales gimmick to attract people to an otherwise bleak and barren land. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) I am not disagreeing with you , I said "of course we are seeing the highest temperatures now". After an ice age things get warmer, that is how it works. Do you seriously think that this hasn't been taken into account? that only YOU thought of this? I think you seriously underestimate the thinking behind this topic.....even though the answer is simple - man made climate change is just about as near to fact as science allows. My old friend Wilco. I wonder if you could help me point out the strawman in your argument. And if you like you can also explain the phrase, "as close to fact as science allows". Does it mean, not a fact as in, not a real thing? as with most deniers,you seem to have a problem with the very basis of scientific language and thought. Edited December 26, 2014 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 31,000 scientists say not convinced http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Even if I was prepared to accept the theory of global warming how could anyone ever get all the countries in the world to agree a strategy? The meagre attempts by countries such as the UK will never out weight Co2 emissions from India,Asia and Latin America. Just witness the burning that goes on across Thailand and the major air pollution it produces. These 7 Countries Are Responsible for Over 60 Percent of Global Warming http://www.alternet.org/environment/these-7-countries-are-responsible-over-60-percent-global-warming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 read what IPCC have to say http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/21/ipcc-scientists-knew-data-and-science-inadequacies-contradicted-certainties-presented-to-media-public-and-politicians-but-remained-silent/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 I am not disagreeing with you , I said "of course we are seeing the highest temperatures now". After an ice age things get warmer, that is how it works. Do you seriously think that this hasn't been taken into account? that only YOU thought of this? I think you seriously underestimate the thinking behind this topic.....even though the answer is simple - man made climate change is just about as near to fact as science allows. My old friend Wilco. I wonder if you could help me point out the strawman in your argument. And if you like you can also explain the phrase, "as close to fact as science allows". Does it mean, not a fact as in, not a real thing? as with most deniers,you seem to have a problem with the very basis of scientific language and thought. I am a scientist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomonster Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 (edited) Anthropogenic global warming is a myth postulated by gore and his buddies end of. 911 not false flag government don't lie, eugenics isn't real, no agenda 21 al CIA da, no fema camps, vaccines are good, fluoride is needed by your body. Edited December 26, 2014 by Bomonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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