Thai Wife's Id

[Youbloodybeauty]

Hi,

Wasn't sure under which subject to put this but I guess this is "residency" so is OK!

My wife's Thai ID was cut up by the Ampur when it expired many years ago (about 13 years ago). She is a resident of Australia and at the time didn't worry too much about it.

We are now considering our future and may like to live in Thailand. Not sure if it's next year or later! I believe that she may need the ID card to make it easier for me (an Aussie) to stay.

At the time that her ID was cut up, her name had been removed off the "house paper" and is unsure why. She was raised by her Auntie and Uncle (in their name) who have since passed away. Their children have also either passed away or not in Thailand.

Her real mother (different name) is still alive and has been trying to find someone who can sign for a new ID for my wife but hasn't had any luck.

Does anyone have any advice on this please?

YBB

[vinny]

Does she still have her Thai Birth certificate, Thai passport or old Thai ID (even the cut up one) confirming that she is Thai? She would need to have evidence of Thai citizenship before she can get a new Thai ID (or Thai passport) and put her name on the the House Registration Certificate.

See also Identification Card, Relocation and Births.

[samran]

Everything should be centralised on the government database...so even though she is off the house registration, she still should be on the central register.

She'll need her ID number (which should have been allocated at birth) and she should give that to the authorities at the ampur. If she has a birth certificate, and old passport even better to prove she is who she says she is.

Before you leave OZ she should get a new Thai PP from the embassy in Canberra and use that passoprt to re-enter Thailand.

Then, the best bet would simply to go back to where she used to be registered to ensure that she is still on the central database, using her new Thai PP and her old forms of ID and BC to confirm her identity. Once that is confirmed, you'll have to find a house for her to be registered at. The head of the house will have to authorise the admission of a new name onto the register, but that isn't a problem if you have some good freinds still there.

Once on the new register, she'll be able to get an ID card.

[astral]

I do not understand why the old id card was cut up and not replaced,

unless she formally renounced her Thai citizenship?

Is this even possible?

[Heng]

Strange indeed.

[Maestro]

unless she formally renounced her Thai citizenship?

Is this even possible?

According to Thailand’s Nationality Act, renunciation is possible (Section 13)

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Maestro

[lopburi3]

From reading samran post #3 I would guess it was torn up after her name was removed from the home register of the family that was taking care of her as that would be a requirement for an ID card. Why her name was removed from home register is the open question but it appears she had departed Thailand and family probably no longer considered it to be necessary. I suspect she would have known if she renounced citizenship only 13 years ago but would also allow for that possibility and believe there is a system in place to regain if that were the case.

At any rate samran seems to have provided a very good play by play of how to proceed.

[The Dan Sai Kid]

I do not understand why the old id card was cut up and not replaced,

unless she formally renounced her Thai citizenship?

Is this even possible?

I think that there used to be a law concerning Thai citizenship - Thais could not hold more than 1 passport. That law is no more - but I couldn't imagine how that affects people who did renounce their citizenship.

[Youbloodybeauty]

Hi,

Thankyou everyone for your replies.

Here are some other points that may make it clearer...

- My wife used her ID and House Register to get her Thai passport.

- Two years later she returned to the Ampur (I think to renew her ID, I'll ask her for sure later) and she found sometime within that 2 years, she had been removed off the Home Register.

- The ampur cut her ID as it had expired plus as lopburi3 mentioned possibly (not 100% sure on this bit) as she was not on a Home Register. At the time she didn't worry about getting a new one because she was a resident of Oz.

- Since then she became an Aussie Citizen but she had NEVER formally renounced her Thai citizenship.

- Her Thai passport had expired many years ago and since uses an Aussie passport.

- Currently there would be no problem about getting her onto a House Register.

Unfortunately she does not have her Thai birth certificate and hasn't been able to find the number of her old ID.

Is it possible that just a Thai passport will be enough to find her old ID number (on the Central database) plus getting onto a House Register would enable her to get a new ID?

Cheers YBB

[lopburi3]

The ID card number is on the passport. The "Personal No." is her ID card number

[Youbloodybeauty]

The ID card number is on the passport. The "Personal No." is her ID card number

Thanks lopburi3 found it.

Right under our nose!

Cheers YBB

[Youbloodybeauty]

Hi,

Well it's been a few years since I started this thread!

Still living in Australia, closer to retirement but still haven't sorted out my wife's ID. Her Mum is getting old and want to get this resolved.

We have just been on holidays in Thailand and on a visit to Ubon (where her Mum is originally from) they went to the local Amphur and spoke to the head fellow there. He was very helpful and suggested they both go to the hospital in Khon Kaen (where he has sent others and he is known there) to get a DNA test. Will take 3 months but following a positive result he can give her a new ID under her Mum's name. He was not told anything about Australia or me.

They have both been for the DNA test in Khon Kaen.

The reason they went to the Amphur while they were in Ubon is because her Mum has made numerous visits (took a copy of my wifes old passport) over the past year to the Amphur in Bangkok where my wife lived and there is no record of her.

Since returning back to Australia I have BIG reservations about following this route. If she gets a new ID/name, this name will not be married to me! I thought for a second we could get re-married under the new name but I would need a certificate from Australia that I am not married.

I am thinking on our next trip, we should take her old passport, her Mum, our Thai marrage certificate, her Mum's house register paper and the DNA test to the Ampur in Bangkok and see what can be done.

Although, I am unsure if the Bangkok Ampur would accept the DNA test without their go ahead for it.

Also, If she is able to get an ID in Bangkok under her Mothers name I'm wondering if our marrage certificate could be changed too?

Any ideas / experience or further advice on this please?

Cheers, YBB.

[samran]

You will still be married.

My parents married in the early 70's.

My mothers Thai ID is still in her maiden name...she never got around to getting it changed. Her Australian passport etc is in her married name.

No big deal.

[Youbloodybeauty]

OK thanks Samran,

I'm guessing the Ubon way would be easier for my wife to get an ID but the problem I thought when I apply for a spouse visa, her name on our marriage certificate would be different.

Actually her Mum has put a different first name when applying for this new ID in Ubon too

Cheers, YBB.

[samran]

OK thanks Samran,

I'm guessing the Ubon way would be easier for my wife to get an ID but the problem I thought when I apply for a spouse visa, her name on our marriage certificate would be different.

Actually her Mum has put a different first name when applying for this new ID in Ubon too

Cheers, YBB.

Play it by ear....Thai's change their names easily at the Ampur once she has the ID situation sorted. Shouldn't be a biggie...

[Youbloodybeauty]

Excellent ....worry for nothing!

Will go ahead with the easier Ubon Ampur and then have her put on the house register in Bangkok. Later, have her name changed to match our Thai marriage certificate.

Although, I would have thought these documents be linked in the government database. ie: marriage certificate to her old ID. I guess not.

Cheers, YBB.

[samran]

Excellent ....worry for nothing!

Will go ahead with the easier Ubon Ampur and then have her put on the house register in Bangkok. Later, have her name changed to match our Thai marriage certificate.

Although, I would have thought these documents be linked in the government database. ie: marriage certificate to her old ID. I guess not.

Cheers, YBB.

I'm not an expert, but one thing that doesn't change is the ID number, which I'm guessing will be on the wedding certificate if you married in Thailand.

[lopburi3]

The problem is she has an ID number (on her old passport) so that would seem to be in need of legal investigation as to what happened. I suspect a new ID number could result in legal difficulties if the old number is still in the system (although this ampur officer seems willing to risk it - does he know the full history and has he checked it officially?)

[GuyDow]

Lopburi3 is right that you need to be cautious on this.

I have had officials offering to generate "iffy" documents for me, in my case a residence certificate. If there are any subsequent problems it is not the official's problem, it is your own.

[Youbloodybeauty]

The problem is she has an ID number (on her old passport) so that would seem to be in need of legal investigation as to what happened. I suspect a new ID number could result in legal difficulties if the old number is still in the system (although this ampur officer seems willing to risk it - does he know the full history and has he checked it officially?)

No, the fellow at the Ampur in Ubon was told nothing about the old ID number or that the family couldn't find record of her in Bangkok. He was only told she had no ID.

Do you think it would be a better plan as I mentioned above NOT to jump-in and get this new ID in Ubon but first try what I mentioned above...

I am thinking on our next trip, we should take her old passport, her Mum, our Thai marrage certificate, her Mum's house register paper and the DNA test to the Ampur in Bangkok and see what can be done.

Just to be clear on the situation...

1. She would like her Thai ID to stay in Thailand without needing a visa in her Aussie passport.

The Ampur (Bangkok) can not find any record of her.

2. She was given away at birth and her old ID was never under her correct family tree.

She very much wants this corrected.

We were married in Thailand and I have the certificate in my hands but not sure of her ID # as her passport is in Thailand (will find out) but on the back of the certificate is a stamp and what looks like may be the ID number. Don't know if this is useful but we have also found an old bank book from the 90's before she came to Australia.

Thanks, YBB.

[lopburi3]

Marriage certificate should have at bottom of back and passports since about 1990 have (older may not). Look for a 13 digit number. Current bank passbooks do not have.

[Youbloodybeauty]

Thanks Lopburi,

Yes, it's a 13 digit number on the back of our marriage certificate.

Also, regarding the quote below, I was reading this forum and found this...

We were married in 1992 so "may" explain why they can't find her record.

I do not understand why the old id card was cut up and not replaced,

unless she formally renounced her Thai citizenship?

Cheers, YBB.

[samran]

Thanks Lopburi,

Yes, it's a 13 digit number on the back of our marriage certificate.

Also, regarding the quote below, I was reading this forum and found this...

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4748583

We were married in 1992 so "may" explain why they can't find her record.

I do not understand why the old id card was cut up and not replaced,

unless she formally renounced her Thai citizenship?

Cheers, YBB.

That 13 digit number 'should' be the keys to the kingdom, along side an expired Thai passport, to get back into the system.

[Youbloodybeauty]

Hi Samran,

I would rather she try and push to retrieve her old ID even though they have said there is no record of it in Bangkok.

Next time we head over to Thailand in April, I wonder if she should try to enter Thailand with her expired passport? I guess she would have to leave on it as well returning to Australia. Actually, would that be possible? I'm guessing no and would need to get it renewed. Be crap if there was any problems with renewing it.

Only reason, I'm thinking when we go to the Ampur in Bangkok maybe there would be benefit if it had an entry stamp in her old passport. That a stupid idea?

Sorry, just trying to cover all angles.

Cheers, YBB.

[Mario2008]

From report I have seen immigration will let you enter on an expired Thai passport, but not let you leave. Which is logical.

Try to get a new passport from the embassy/general consulatye in Oz.

[Thongkorn]

I got an ID card for some one who had never been requested at the Ampur. for what ever resons, You have to get two or three people who know her to go with you to vouch for her at the local Ampur where she lived,

[samran]

Hi Samran,

I would rather she try and push to retrieve her old ID even though they have said there is no record of it in Bangkok.

Next time we head over to Thailand in April, I wonder if she should try to enter Thailand with her expired passport? I guess she would have to leave on it as well returning to Australia. Actually, would that be possible? I'm guessing no and would need to get it renewed. Be crap if there was any problems with renewing it.

Only reason, I'm thinking when we go to the Ampur in Bangkok maybe there would be benefit if it had an entry stamp in her old passport. That a stupid idea?

Sorry, just trying to cover all angles.

Cheers, YBB.

As Mario said, try and get a new passport before she leaves. But yeah, entering on an old one is certainly possible, I was stamped in an expired passport once, though I did have the new now with me.

[Youbloodybeauty]

She got a new ID.

It has been so frustrating you wouldn't believe the hoops jumped. I suppose it's nothing new.

Time for a celebration then time for some name changes I suppose!

Cheers YBB

[inzman]

Cheers to you mate! Even the most basic task here is made difficult with piles of paperwork and ever changing rules, but we muddle thru.

[Youbloodybeauty]

Thanks inzman, yeah muddle is spot on!

What an achievement for my wife it has been. So happy !!!!!