No chance now for a graceful exit by our caretaker premier: Thai opinion

[outsider]

Yup, she should've legged it (for good) while she could, instead of hanging around and proving beyond reasonable doubt how inept she really is.

[whybother]

So Yingluck decides to resign or must resign, then what? I'm not familiar with the parliamentary system. I would assume legally, a leader from her party takes the position until elections can be held. In the States, the vice president who is from the same party,takes the position and no election actually must be held as older folks may remember happened when Nixon resigned. However, the protest leaders want the chance to rewrite the laws to favor their control of the Thai government forever. God, I can't tell which side is actually worse than the other.

If she resigned, legally a deputy would stand in her place. If parliament had not been dissolved, a new PM would be elected in parliament (as happened in 2008 with Somchai when Samak was forced to step down, and Abhisit when Somchai was banned). A general election could also be called instead of going to parliament to elect a new PM.

Given that the government is in caretaker mode, a new care-taker PM would be sworn in by the King until elections were held, or in this case, completed. Following the completion of the election, a new PM would be elected in parliament. That wouldn't necessarily be the #1 party list MP, or in this case, #2 if Yingluck had resigned, or #3 if Somchai (Thaksin's brother in law at #2 on the party list) also resigned/withdrew (or any other party's #1 party list MP). It could be any MP.

It has been suggested that it would be illegal for Yingluck to resign as care-taker PM. I haven't seen any law to properly suggest why.

Of course Suthep has other ideas as to who would be appointed and how they would be appointed.

[JesseFrank]

I really start to wonder if "dry" days and loud temple music gonna be in the picture of her removal from office.

[Baerboxer]

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You see Mr Nation,what we do in big grown up countries when we don`t like our PM is vote them out at election time.

In Thailand they couldnt do that because the opposition refused to stand, after forcing an election.

Until you recognise this fact your opinion pieces are just seen as biased drivel, worthy of disdain.

Dont you mean in Thailand the elections being blocked prevented its validity and gave the people time to see what their leaders are really doing?

Until you recognise that she was never in control and that the reason she became leader was simply because her big Brother bought and paid the people in the Norths love and devotion which happens to be where the majority lives and the poorest in Thailand.

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You are aware that this (rather racist) theory has been dismantled rather firmly by research aren't you?

Still, if as you say - and I guess you have inside knowledge the rest of us lack, given the way you stated it - the population has turned against her, we probably should put you down as a firm "yes" for elections being the way out of this.

What is racist about the post you respond to?

Right or wrong is down to opinion, and yours his as valid as anyone else's and anyone else's is as valid as yours. Still opinions though.

But racist - please explain how an accusation of proven nepotism can be racist in context; and what research you refer to that dismantles this 'racist' theory.

[MaxLee]

Many believe it has taken too long for the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) to reach its decision to formally charge the prime minister over the wholesale fraud in the rice-pledging programme carried out on her watch. But it's better late than never. Without adequate prudence on the part of the NACC, the entire school of slimy fish could get away.

For more than 3 FREAKING YEARS.... we are waiting for the so called NACC to take action....

[scorecard]

From kikoman:

Sir your post is not factually correct!

NIDA poll was taken by the participation of 1,251 government and state employees, 56.59% of those government employees, stated they believed that the PM should step down, nothing related to the poll involved how the people of Thailand felt, only the sector of state and government employees!

cheers

My response:

Well if I accept your version (government and state employees) then there is still a very telling and strongly insightful message.

I have a Thai friend who was a very senior public servant in the finance ministry. About 6 months ago he put down his pen, gave a verbal on the spot resignation and walked out.

Why, he was being pressured to sign documents which he believed were highly corrupt and highly immoral. He was also concerned that if the documents were scrutinized by an audit committee etc., he could well end up in jail.

[gemini81]

Graceful or not, just be gone! Strut like a chicken on your catwalk or in fashion boots on a wooden plank over a flood zone, you're thicker than both, so please take a hike to Dubai.

[Mister Fixit]

Well, I thought it was a well-written piece which succinctly captured the essence of what is going on and the appalling political situation in the country at the moment

[Nickymaster]

Wow, talk about a PAD-Dem diatribe.

But it all stems from their access to user-friendly courts.

If one considers them normal and judicially credible, it can lead to such self-righteous delusion.

The problem to which they are blinded however, is that this whole thing is transparent.

Communication linkages and political realities are clear to the majority electorate...They know what is going on.

So when one reads diatribes such as this, or when the judiciary pontificate and make decisions reflective of their roots in that Opposition, it all is the same as far as that electorate is concerned.

Everything from seeking to eliminate Ms. Y. who they cannot defeat in an election, to protecting the protesters from Emergency Rule imperatives, to obstructing an election, to demonizing an agricultural subsidy program because it is financial re-distribution away from Elitist entitlements, is known to a politicized, diverse electoral majority.....They vote accordingly.

It all boils down to an acceptance of Electoral democracy, or not......

.It is interesting how Farangs justify this stuff when they would come unglued if it happened in their country......

It all boils down to the acceptance of corruption....

[rubl]

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You see Mr Nation,what we do in big grown up countries when we don`t like our PM is vote them out at election time.

In Thailand they couldnt do that because the opposition refused to stand, after forcing an election.

Until you recognise this fact your opinion pieces are just seen as biased drivel, worthy of disdain.

Dont you mean in Thailand the elections being blocked prevented its validity and gave the people time to see what their leaders are really doing?

Until you recognise that she was never in control and that the reason she became leader was simply because her big Brother bought and paid the people in the Norths love and devotion which happens to be where the majority lives and the poorest in Thailand.

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You are aware that this (rather racist) theory has been dismantled rather firmly by research aren't you?

Still, if as you say - and I guess you have inside knowledge the rest of us lack, given the way you stated it - the population has turned against her, we probably should put you down as a firm "yes" for elections being the way out of this.

So, you like a government under remote control by a criminal fugitive?

With a Thaksin thinks Pheu Thai party which 'respects my vote' till barely after it has been counted to talk only about a mandate and 'we'll do, screw the opposition", new elections are no solution. A government which tries to push through a blanket amnesty bill for dear brother Thaksin and even little sisters two years of 'governing' and then blames the anti-government protests of being undemocratic? A government which loses 400 billion or more out of 700 spent and still want to borrow 130 bililon more, without any clear accounting or transparency?

The author of the OP may use strong words and descriptions at times, but in general he's not of the mark on the criminality of Thaksin's Yingluck government.

[Mister Fixit]

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You see Mr Nation,what we do in big grown up countries when we don`t like our PM is vote them out at election time.

In Thailand they couldnt do that because the opposition refused to stand, after forcing an election.

Until you recognise this fact your opinion pieces are just seen as biased drivel, worthy of disdain.

Dont you mean in Thailand the elections being blocked prevented its validity and gave the people time to see what their leaders are really doing?

Until you recognise that she was never in control and that the reason she became leader was simply because her big Brother bought and paid the people in the Norths love and devotion which happens to be where the majority lives and the poorest in Thailand.

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You are aware that this (rather racist) theory has been dismantled rather firmly by research aren't you?

Still, if as you say - and I guess you have inside knowledge the rest of us lack, given the way you stated it - the population has turned against her, we probably should put you down as a firm "yes" for elections being the way out of this.

What is racist about the post you respond to?

Right or wrong is down to opinion, and yours his as valid as anyone else's and anyone else's is as valid as yours. Still opinions though.

But racist - please explain how an accusation of proven nepotism can be racist in context; and what research you refer to that dismantles this 'racist' theory.

Yes, I'd like to know what 'research' the poster refers to, and where the racism is in the post he mentions

[Baerboxer]

Oh, I read it. Perhaps you haven't read the Thai constitution?

If so could you tell me just where it is constitutional to block elections, take over government buildings, block roads, demand resignation of the PM and replacing an elected government with an unelected "peoples council" under the false pretext of "fighting corruption"?

Once you've done that please explain what relevance forcing the resignation of the Icelandic PM, or any other country for that matter, has to do with the situation in this country, which, last time I looked, was THAILAND.

&lt;deleted&gt; are you going on about now? What does the Thai constitution have to do with protesters in Iceland forcing their PM to resign?

He's clutching at straws as usual WB,

He would find it difficult to explain where its constitutional for a government in office to act illegally, openly defy the courts, tell others to defy the courts, lie repeatedly and refuse to answer questions, be accountable or govern in a transparent way. He ignores all the attempted cheating of bills through parliament and breaking of parliamentary rules and procedures.

Countries that are blighted with governments who break laws and refuse to abide by them, acknowledge them or denounce the courts as being "politically biased" have no choice but to remove them. Some manage to achieve this through legal process, others have to resort to exceptional methods to remove the cancer.

He is in constant denial of any wrong doing by a party he sees as being the democratically elected champions of the poor, led by the darling of Isaan, who just happens to be the little sister of a former great leader unjustly convicted of corruption by a politically motivated biased court.

Trying to reason with him, or explain the facts are like pissing in the wind.

[ianuk06]

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/17/chomsky_the_u_s_behaves_nothing_like_a_democracy/

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[rubl]

So you didn't read the article then?

In Iceland, protesters forced the resignation of the prime minister.

Sent from my phone ...

Do tell us all what relevance the consequences of the Icelandic government privatisation of the banks has to do with the present situation in Thailand?

Mind you, pots and pans are better than suthep's grenades and Tavors.

The relevance is "big grown up countries" don't always vote out their PMs at election time. Maybe you didn't read the article either.

Oh, I read it. Perhaps you haven't read the Thai constitution?

If so could you tell me just where it is constitutional to block elections, take over government buildings, block roads, demand resignation of the PM and replacing an elected government with an unelected "peoples council" under the false pretext of "fighting corruption"?

Once you've done that please explain what relevance forcing the resignation of the Icelandic PM, or any other country for that matter, has to do with the situation in this country, which, last time I looked, was THAILAND.

I'm happy with your last sentence. Now I can use it towards all who ask me 'what if in my country, Europe, USA', 'what about Mussolini', 'what about police / courts in country XYZ'.

[ianuk06]

http://www.nationofchange.org/america-democracy-really-1344092915

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[rametindallas]

So Yingluck decides to resign or must resign, then what? I'm not familiar with the parliamentary system. I would assume legally, a leader from her party takes the position until elections can be held. In the States, the vice president who is from the same party,takes the position and no election actually must be held as older folks may remember happened when Nixon resigned. However, the protest leaders want the chance to rewrite the laws to favor their control of the Thai government forever. God, I can't tell which side is actually worse than the other.

If new elections are not completed and a new government sworn in, then on April 2, the current caretaker government's mandate to be caretaker government ends and the Senate will select an interim PM who will choose a cabinet, approved by the Senate, and all must be approved by HM the King. New elections will be held to form a permanent, normal government. The PDRC plan for a non-elected non-democratic interim government is a non-starter. constitutionally. Soon or later, the Democrats will have to field candidates in an election. It is possible that all the current Democrats in MP positions will be disqualified for office because of not voting in a Royally Sponsored election. Please don't quote me as this is my recollection from reading various threads on this forum.

[theslime]

ianuk06 Great article about US Democracy,where the wishes of the Majority are ignored, all the while saying that we have the best Democracy in the World. In Thailand, as I,m sure you are aware,The Reds are saying to respect Democracy, yet even in the US it doesn,t work.

[whybother]

Oh, I read it. Perhaps you haven't read the Thai constitution?

If so could you tell me just where it is constitutional to block elections, take over government buildings, block roads, demand resignation of the PM and replacing an elected government with an unelected "peoples council" under the false pretext of "fighting corruption"?

Once you've done that please explain what relevance forcing the resignation of the Icelandic PM, or any other country for that matter, has to do with the situation in this country, which, last time I looked, was THAILAND.

&lt;deleted&gt; are you going on about now? What does the Thai constitution have to do with protesters in Iceland forcing their PM to resign?

In response to your last sentence, maybe you should read the post I responded to.

[telecom]

First among the conditions is no seizure of Yingluck or her family's assets. Second, a blanket amnesty for her and her family over the rice-pledging scheme. Third, a pardon for the premier and her government over its failed attempt to push through the amnesty bill that would have exonerated the premier's brother of all wrongdoing.

So this is an admission that during the past 2.5 years, the Shin clan have totally pilfered the government coffers (especially the rice funds destined for the 'poor farmers').

he doesn't need to step down, she will be taken down 'unconditionally' and will be investigated to the core and probably the entire Shin clan and all their cronies can be rounded up for a reunion in one of Thailand's prisons.

[smedly]

You see Mr Nation,what we do in big grown up countries when we don`t like our PM is vote them out at election time.

In Thailand they couldnt do that because the opposition refused to stand, after forcing an election.

Until you recognise this fact your opinion pieces are just seen as biased drivel, worthy of disdain.

and in even bigger grown up countries governments that behave like this one resign with dignity - they don't have to be extracted like a bad tooth

[marko kok prong]

Interesting story about the "Kitchenware revolution' in iceland ,maybe suthep could try that approach.

[Suriya4]

The door is always open.

Suthep is happy to buy her a one way ticket to Dubai Hilton if asked.

[kalasiner]

Baerboxer wrote "Trying to reason with him, or explain the facts are like pissing in the wind."

Fact 1: Thaksin parties have won the last 5 elections and, by all accounts, would have won the last one.

Fact 2: Since Thaksin, the opposition has, and now again, come to power only through undemocratic means.

Edited February 20, 2014 by kalasiner

[Spartakos]

I suspect the average grade school student in the US has a far stronger grasp of the democratic process that the author (and many of our TV posters who seem to be stuck in an echo chamber with the same three or four memes going around and around).

the average student in the US could not pinpoint mexico on the map, let alone define democracy.

[than]

her only exit is jail now

[rogerdee123]

She's had many opportunities to get our gracefully ... putting herself and the country out of misery ....... instead she digs herself into deeper hole, probably listening to her brother and doing it without thinking ... no brains ... she deserves embarrassment and loss of face that she will get when she finally leaves office.

[thesetat2013]

The nation is again not an impartial newspaper part of the corruption of what is really wrong with Thailand, No freedom of the press among the many faults. The hypocrisy of the Farang community, know such B/S grab for power would not be tolerated in the west, any action beyond peaceful demonstrations, would not be tolerated

Peaceful Demonstrations, are exactly that people protesting but observing the rule of law, and the rights of other citizens, not taking over state building, and preventing the government of doing it job, and an action based on the active overthrown of the government those activities are terrorist activities based on the laws of my home country the U.S.A. and also in Europe!

Any forcing of Yingluck out of office on Trump up charges will not settle the long simmering injustice in the country by the Rich Elite Establishment, and shows the majority of the people that voted for her that their rights will never be accepted by the rich in the country!

The only way a Political office holder can be unwilling taken from their leadership role is through impeachment or voted out of office!

Those that say the PTP has lost their political power base, and the whole country has turned against the PTP. yet still do not have the confidence in their convictions , to let the people decide that though a fair Democratic election.

They do not pick that option because they Know PTP no matter how wounded still would win such an election.

Cheers

Dont you think that impeachment is one step closer with the charges the NACC will give on YL?

She cant bloody run this country from a prison. (Wait! Maybe my last comment is wrong since its already being run from another country)

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[Fryslan boppe]

The nation is again not an impartial newspaper part of the corruption of what is really wrong with Thailand, No freedom of the press among the many faults. The hypocrisy of the Farang community, know such B/S grab for power would not be tolerated in the west, any action beyond peaceful demonstrations, would not be tolerated

Peaceful Demonstrations, are exactly that people protesting but observing the rule of law, and the rights of other citizens, not taking over state building, and preventing the government of doing it job, and an action based on the active overthrown of the government those activities are terrorist activities based on the laws of my home country the U.S.A. and also in Europe!

Any forcing of Yingluck out of office on Trump up charges will not settle the long simmering injustice in the country by the Rich Elite Establishment, and shows the majority of the people that voted for her that their rights will never be accepted by the rich in the country!

The only way a Political office holder can be unwilling taken from their leadership role is through impeachment or voted out of office!

Those that say the PTP has lost their political power base, and the whole country has turned against the PTP. yet still do not have the confidence in their convictions , to let the people decide that though a fair Democratic election.

They do not pick that option because they Know PTP no matter how wounded still would win such an election.

Cheers

"The nation is again not an impartial newspaper part of the corruption of what is really wrong with Thailand, No freedom of the press among the many faults. " Have you read Khaosod recently?

"The hypocrisy of the Farang community, know such B/S grab for power would not be tolerated in the west," No B/S corrupt government would be tolerated in the west either.

" No B/S corrupt government would be tolerated in the west either"

So in the west they turf the SOB's next election. Should be the same in Thailand.

Just because an electoral minority whose nose-is-out-of-joint because they cannot win an election, demonizes this Govt,, doesn't make the Govt. a demon.

The PTP elected Govt. is not a "B/S corrupt government"...........The majority of voters agree with this. The minority does not, or pretends not to, which would be expected from Parliamentary Oppositions........... So who rules?

Some will try a spin against the majority/minority thing, but the make up of the last parliament had no confusion about this....When the current election is completed and tabulated we will most likely see further affirmation.

Edited February 20, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[BSJ]

"First among the conditions is no seizure of Yingluck or her family's assets. Second, a blanket amnesty for her and her family over the rice-pledging scheme. Third, a pardon for the premier and her government over its failed attempt to push through the amnesty bill that would have exonerated the premier's brother of all wrongdoing. "

Surely the court would not entertain those conditions. If there is proof of wrongdoing the criminal must be prepared to face the music.

[whybother]

" No B/S corrupt government would be tolerated in the west either"

So in the west they turf the SOB's next election. Should be the same in Thailand.

Just because an electoral minority whose nose-is-out-of-joint because they cannot win an election, demonizes this Govt,, doesn't make the Govt. a demon.

The PTP elected Govt. is not a "B/S corrupt government"...........The majority of voters agree with this. The minority does not, or pretends not to, which would be expected from Parliamentary Oppositions........... So who rules?

Some will try a spin against the majority/minority thing, but the make up of the last parliament had no confusion about this....When the current election is completed and tabulated we will most likely see further affirmation.

If a government in the west was shown to be corrupt, they would be impeached and thrown in jail. They wouldn't last until the next election.