Thai protesters warned of harsh action, move to invoke new emergency decree

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Protesters warned of harsh action, move to invoke new emergency decree
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BANGKOK, Feb 21 – Protesters were warned today of harsh legal action if they intrude into the Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) as the government is contemplating a new emergency decree to deal with the escalating political unrest.

Tarit Pengdith, Department of Special Investigation (DSI) director general and CMPO member, said the authorities would slap criminal charges against protesters who invade the CMPO office.

He admitted that police could not stop protesters’ demonstrations on the streets in light of the Civil Court’s ruling which grants constitutional rights to public demonstrations.

Paradorn Pattanatabut, secretary general of the National Security Council (NSC), said an intrusion into the CMPO office, located inside the Police Club on Vibhavadi Rangsit Road, would clearly be a criminal offence.

He said police have difficulties in maintaining public order thanks to the Civil Court’s unclear verdict.

The CMPO has mapped a three-step measure in dealing with political unrest, starting with enforcement of available laws in a normal situation, to imposing the Internal Security Act to control an escalating situation.

In case of violence, the government may resort to the third step by revoking the present emergency decree and invoking a new one to allow the authorities to deal with protesters without having to abide by the Civil Court’s nine-point order.

The court’s order would become invalid when the present emergency decree is revoked, he said, adding that caretaker Cabinet would be asked to declare a new state of emergency, if necessary.

Two senior police officers met with key leaders of the anti-government People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) at the entrance to the CMPO office this afternoon.

The police officers explained the authorities’ action against protesters on Phan Fah Bridge, Ratchdamnoen Avenue, on Tuesday, saying police wanted to avoid violence.

The police officers agreed to assign police forces to be on guard at a nearby tollway for the safety of protesters who have demonstrated in front of the CMPO office.

Meanwhile, supporters of the pro-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) laid a wreath at the Civil Court to call for justice given the court’s ruling on Wednesday which barred CMPO from dispersing protesters who have been involved in peaceful political activities.

Darunee Kritbunyalai, a leading Red Shirt supporter, said the Civil Court’s latest ruling contradicted an earlier one in 2010 in which 89 people were killed and more than 1,000 others injured in a political protest. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-02-21

[wxpwzrd]

The games the government plays... Revoke one SOE and issue a new one.

[TVGerry]

Great! Defy the courts when you don't agree with them. Let's see how many people will you idiots shoot dead this time. And you guys still have to rely on the useless police. The army will never back another bloody crackdown.

[ratcatcher]

The fear of god has been struck.

[noikrit]

Hmmmm ... Just end one Emergency Decree .... and Start another to avoid the Courts rulings .....

[h90]

Great! Defy the courts when you don't agree with them. Let's see how many people will you idiots shoot dead this time. And you guys still have to rely on the useless police. The army will never back another bloody crackdown.

Revoke the emergency degree, issue a new one and start another bloody crackdown, is something that might really trigger a military coup......

[david555]

So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

[rogerdee123]

Hmmmm ... Just end one Emergency Decree .... and Start another to avoid the Courts rulings .....

This is the Thaksin kind of "cleverness" .

[ChrisY1]

They're dopey......!

[casualbiker]

So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

You have to ask. Is it trespassing if it is a government building. Ie : the lobby of said building?

Surely during opening hours any Thai citizen is allowed access!

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[dinom]

The games the government plays... Revoke one SOE and issue a new one.

unbelievable, I am speachless,

[GATHER]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

[jollyman]

Good luck Yingluck

[djjamie]

One would think the army are the obvious choice for protection. One would not be trusting the regime police, notorious for their brutality and already guilty of killing several protesters as well as overseeing brazen broad daylight assassinations targeting protest leaders. One cannot forget they came out into the streets with M16's, shotguns, and body armor only to be met by monks and protesters sitting in the streets with prayer books.

I trust the regime will revoke the Emergencee Decree and implement the internal security act. That will allow Chalerm to be in his element to have carte blanch on violent suppression of the peaceful protestors. The law does not bode well for Chalerm nor the PTP and the ISA makes the illegal become legal.

[uty6543]

The games the government plays... Revoke one SOE and issue a new one.

Again the government think court rulings are not meant for them to obey.

[Robby nz]

Looks like Thaksin needs more blood, desperate to get the army to step in so he can say PT were disposed in a coup, then get his red thugs to start a war.

[whybother]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

Government property doesn't necessarily mean public property. There are many government buildings in most countries where you'd be shot if you tried to enter without authorisation.

[david555]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

You forget the rule citizens must obay the directions of an official person .....if they say "move your car away" in your country , you go to reply i pay road taks so i may do what i like , drive where i want ?

you know very well there is a limit to freedom to do what you like .

Try to do wat now happen in your own country and you see what happens...

[3NUMBAS]

its like dealing with the jet ski scammers ,you think that the law has them under control but they keep on coming back ,they live outside the law year after year .

fiefdoms galore in LOS

[GATHER]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

You forget the rule citizens must obay the directions of an official person .....if they say "move your car away" in your country , you go to reply i pay road taks so i may do what i like , drive where i want ?

you know very well there is a limit to freedom to do what you like .

Try to do wat now happen in your own country and you see what happens...

Whatever you think you know about the law is wrong and doesn't apply to this case ... since when does a corrupt government who defies the constitution and the laws of the constitutional judges and jury and does not step down as the rules say's passing a bill on a former ex-primer like THAKSIN making him able to get back to the same country he was exiled to come to ?

And where does it say that the government is above the law changing the decrees of emergency as they please ?

Seems to me like if there is a POLICE STATE ... you belong there ... so you can step where they please and move as they're strings tells you to ... but not here in THAILAND ...so i suggest ... get back home

[GATHER]

So blocking acces and destroying that same public (govermental) property , is allowed , same as preventing to go to vote ...... i am astonished to see your thinking ... but i understand you like anarchy ... do not worry it seems it is coming

as a minority can never control a majority ...

Seems you do not understand this government has no more power , Yingluck made a huge mistake passing a bill which we all saw on TV that they made it a3 in the morning ... and only they're party was there no other were in that room to pass the bill as legal ... and if you think ANARCHY when there are proof of corruption that means you scream murder when you clearly see who did it but you like to blame another ... they said clearly that they need to reform ... what more you need ?

Didn't you see most of them are puppets of Thaksin money ? .... is not clear enough that a Government that defies the laws of constitution are no longer a legal party ?

[winstonc]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

You forget the rule citizens must obay the directions of an official person .....if they say "move your car away" in your country , you go to reply i pay road taks so i may do what i like , drive where i want ?

you know very well there is a limit to freedom to do what you like .

Try to do wat now happen in your own country and you see what happens...

Whatever you think you know about the law is wrong and doesn't apply to this case ... since when does a corrupt government who defies the constitution and the laws of the constitutional judges and jury and does not step down as the rules say's passing a bill on a former ex-primer like THAKSIN making him able to get back to the same country he was exiled to come to ?

And where does it say that the government is above the law changing the decrees of emergency as they please ?

Seems to me like if there is a POLICE STATE ... you belong there ... so you can step where they please and move as they're strings tells you to ... but not here in THAILAND ...so i suggest ... get back home

watch the trolls coming at you gather,,,,,

[Mosha]

I think Chalerm has been watching events in Kiev, and thinks I can kill more than that.

[NCFC]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

Try entering the army HQ on Vibvahadi using that line of argument and see how you get on with that.

[GATHER]

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So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

Try entering the army HQ on Vibvahadi using that line of argument and see how you get on with that.

And we speak about public affiliated buildings and grounds ... and there you go pushing it to the army level ...if you wanna play that way remember the as the army of Thailand doesn't get pushed in the middle they will not chose sides ...by the way ... army is made to protect the country not the government ...governments come and go ... by votes and by necessity ... but the army doesn't change ... is still the same old core ... so , let's get back to the main subject should we which is CAMPO

[zaphodbeeblebrox]

So blocking acces and destroying that same public (govermental) property , is allowed , same as preventing to go to vote ...... i am astonished to see your thinking ... but i understand you like anarchy ... do not worry it seems it is coming

as a minority can never control a majority ...

The police are entitled to enforce any criminal statutes that are violated. However, they cannot interfere with the right of protest, which means the assemblies, marches and speeches. What CMPO doesn't get is that the SOE grants them no additional authority. That is because the 1997 Constitution which created the PM's authority to issue an SOE was only meant to protect national security in conditions of war or substantial acts of terrorism. While the PM is free to invoke an SOE in lesser conditions, in reality, it gives the government no additional powers. Issuing a new SOE will accomplish nothing. In fact, in more enlightened legal systems, the government would be sanctioned (penalized) for doing it. The PDRC will bring an injunction and it will be granted.

[Scamper]

" In case of violence, the government may resort to the third step by revoking the present emergency decree and invoking a new one to allow the authorities to deal with protesters without having to abide by the Civil Court’s nine-point order.The court’s order would become invalid when the present emergency decree is revoked, he said, adding that caretaker Cabinet would be asked to declare a new state of emergency, if necessary. "

This is what Pheu Thai does in its spare time - invent new laws that would retroactively crush previous ones. This is how they view the justice system. They don't like what the Civil Court has done - fine - they'll just issue another emergency decree, that's all. And then what happens when the Civil Court again imposes those restrictions - invoke another decree ? Since the Civil Court gave its nine point ruling two days ago, the pattern of the administration is simply to go their own way and invent their own rules. It's abundantly clear at this point from this contempt of court stance that Chalerm has every intention of doing what he wants to do - regardless as to what anyone says. But the fact that the tactics have changed so dramatically in the last two days suggests not only instability but a reckless, daily improvisation. These are Thaksin signature tactics. After the Civil Court gave its order, Chalerm immediately emerged from the shadows to boldly and confidently claim that nothing had changed, and none of CMPO's powers had been clipped or altered in any way by the ruling. The next day, Chalerm made an about-face and appeared on national television with a grim expression and asked the Civil Court to explain itself, and told them he had provided many " favours " to them in the past ( whatever that was supposed to mean or imply ) and that the ruling tied his hands. And now this. Forget the self-possessed confident proclamations. Forget the Ed Sullivan on a prune diet routine. Just tear up the whole decree and issue a new one. So there. That's Pheu Thai. But it's also the police hierarchy, who have similarly followed suit and got on the lets-beat-up-on-the-Civil Court bandwagon. This is truly terrifying. Pheu Thai is now determined to impose power regardless as to what the justice system says. If these machinations lead to a full-fletched armed police assault on the protest movement - which has been affirmed as constitutional by both the Constitutional Court and the Civil Court - it will plunge the situation into an utter headspin, making the possibility of intervention by the army much more feasible.

Edited February 21, 2014 by Scamper

[NCFC]

So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

Seems to me like you don't know the law's to well mister .... CAMPO is a public institution ... and a public building with public grounds allows any THAI person to step on that ground as he pleases ... only the fact that can remain on they're position without throwing a stone is enough for the building to have no one to step in or out due the high number of persons that can stop the traffic .

Try entering the army HQ on Vibvahadi using that line of argument and see how you get on with that.

And we speak about public affiliated buildings and grounds ... and there you go pushing it to the army level ...if you wanna play that way remember the as the army of Thailand doesn't get pushed in the middle they will not chose sides ...by the way ... army is made to protect the country not the government ...governments come and go ... by votes and by necessity ... but the army doesn't change ... is still the same old core ... so , let's get back to the main subject should we which is CAMPO

You seem to know a lot about the situation for someone with a couple of posts under your belt. Nothing wrong with that of course but wondering where you've been the past four months?

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[metisdead]

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[LuckyLew]

So for all the comments above , intruding / tresspassing is not a criminal offence in your country's ? try to be a little honoust , even for who ever you are supporting ...a little fair play in this "Thai soap game"

If the PTP played fair / honest for the last two years Thailand would not be in this mess