Anne Frank's Diary vandalised in Tokyo libraries

[7by7]

I bet most Japanese don't even know what Jewish is.

I doubt that most Japanese are as ignorant as you think.

But it's obvious to anyone with an ounce of common that the perpetrator(s) of this crime did not choose this particular book at random; this is not a case of simple vandalism.

The Nazis burnt books they disapproved of; these people are starting down that road.

Japan is heading down the Nazi road??

I am sorry that you do not understand the phrase 'these people' in the context of my post obviously does not mean the entire Japanese people!

It means the perpetrators of this crime and their supporters.

[krisb]

Possible the theft of those pages was by a group seeking to profit from selling those pages.

[GentlemanJim]

I don't think the Nazis are rising in Japan, but I do think defacing Anne Frank books is a Nazi style thing to do.

Posts were deleted. Actually, there was only link to holocaust denial propaganda. It isn't here anymore. Sorry for incorrectly using the plural links to holocaust denial propaganda. Really, one was MORE than enough!

Anyone with the most basic common sense understands the motivation behind defacing Anne Frank books. She is indeed a major symbol of what the Jews of Europe faced under the Nazi led Shoah.

Jingthing, you are a liar.

I contributed the post with the link in which was deleted by Scott. The link was NOT anything to do with holocaust denial. As Scott now has that link and this is clearly a point for moderation then he can be the arbitrator and state if the link is anything to do with holocaust denial or not.

The link was to a paper by Professor Robert Faurisson, a respected French academic who was a renowned specialist in the authenticity of documents, in particular those from WWII. The subject of the paper was the authenticity of the subject matter of this thread, the Anne Frank Diaries. After intensive interviews with the parents of Anne Frank the conclusion of the paper was that the 'Diary' was a fake. Now what in Gods name is Holocaust denial about that?

I have given you enough information to search for the link concerning 'is the diary of Anne Frank a fake' by Robert Faurisson, so take a look for yourself and cease your disgraceful obsession with labeling people anti-semitic and anything you do not have the intelligence to understand as holocaust denial.

I am not posting the link again as it was deleted,but I am sure after your ludicrous and incorrect statement concerning holocaust denial, Scott can verify whether the link falls under that category or not.

the alleged diary of a girl concerning life in Holland under the Nazi occupation

Alleged diary???

See above. I am not disputing the fact it is a diary, so that is not alleged, you clipped the sentence. What has failed the scrutiny of academic specialists is the provenance of the writings.

Edited February 22, 2014 by GentlemanJim

[Jingthing]

Possible the theft of those pages was by a group seeking to profit from selling those pages.

That is not logical. This clearly has NOTHING to do with monetary value.

The monetary value of a typical intact Anne Frank diary in a library which by definition would be a USED version is of course not significant as this is a MASS PRODUCED book:

http://www.amazon.com/Anne-Frank-Diary-Young-Girl/dp/0812415086/ref=sr_1_1_title_1_har?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1393063094&sr=1-1&keywords=anne+frank+diary

Cut out pages?

Worthless.

A defaced book also worthless.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Posting error/dupe.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Robert Faurisson is a notorious holocaust denier. "Respected" by Neo-Nazi types and antisemites, no doubt.

Just look it up.

The link by that holocaust denier that was deleted was in a conspiracy theory website and grouped under the category of revisionist history or similar language, the "polite" way of saying holocaust denial.

No point in further comment. Holocaust denial is NOT acceptable in civilized society. It is of course actually illegal in some countries as well.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Humberstone]

You posted a link to an article written by a holocaust denier, a well known one with plenty of 'previous'. You also stated, if memory serves, that the diary was a fake before this post was deleted.

Your position lacks credibility.

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[7by7]

Indeed.

GentlemanJim, you really should research your sources properly before quoting and linking to them; otherwise people may think you support and agree with them.

Edited February 22, 2014 by 7by7

[uptheos]

Be annoying to read most of it and not find out how it ends.

If it had an ending it would be a book, not a diary.

People who write diaries can't plan the ending.

[GentlemanJim]

Robert Faurisson is a notorious holocaust denier. "Respected" by Neo-Nazi types and antisemites, no doubt.

Just look it up.

The link by that holocaust denier that was deleted was in a conspiracy theory website and grouped under the category of revisionist history or similar language, the "polite" way of saying holocaust denial.

No point in further comment. Holocaust denial is NOT acceptable in civilized society. It is of course actually illegal in some countries as well.

The paper in the link given is nothing to do with holocaust denial and the site in the link is most certainly NOT a holocaust denial site.

Edited February 22, 2014 by ubonjoe
Removed a line containing a derogatory comment.

[Jingthing]

I stand by what I wrote and I have not lied, regardless of any tricky spins, twists and rude name calling.

[GentlemanJim]

I stand by what I wrote and I have not lied, regardless of any tricky spins, twists and rude name calling.

As I said. Close the thread, it would be for the best.

@ Humberstone, I said the author of the article said it was fake.

[Jingthing]

A notorious holocaust denier is not an author worth any consideration in the slightest. Even more so when writing about a major symbol of the holocaust, Anne Frank. Perhaps if he was writing about growing zucchinis his despicable history would not be relevant. But not the case here.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[transam]

Any twonk that denies the Holocaust and wants to talk negative about the folk that helped many escape death is really not to be considered as sane. In fact they are f....... idiots.

[Jingthing]

Any twonk that denies the Holocaust and wants to talk negative about the folk that helped many escape death is really not to be considered as sane. In fact they are f....... idiots.

You are really being too kind.

[7by7]

Pseudo-scientific arguments

.....One of the most widely translated and distributed revisionist texts about the diary of Anne Frank is the ‘study’ by the French scientist Robert Faurisson, published in 1978 under the title Le Journal d’Anne Frank est-il authentique? ("The Diary of Anne Frank: Is It Authentic?"). Faurisson has repeatedly been sentenced to fines and prison terms for spreading the libellous claim that no gas chambers existed in the Second World War, and for incitement to discrimination and racial hatred.

Ten questions on the authenticity of the diary of Anne Frank page 6. © 2007 Anne Frank Stichting

[BookMan]

There is a lot of talk here about this Faurisson bloke.

1. Was he in Japan at the time of the books being vandalized?

2. Does he have a library card for Tokyo municipal libraries?

The topic at hand is about vandalism to Anne Frank books in Japan.

Edited February 22, 2014 by BookMan

[Jingthing]

There is a lot of talk here about this Faurisson bloke.

1. Was he in Japan at the time of the books being vandalized?

2. Does he have a library card for Tokyo municipal libraries?

The topic at hand is about vandalism to Anne Frank books in Japan.

I agree with you in the sense that this thread should not be about holocaust denial, but regretably holocaust denial was introduced to this topic by someone posting (and later bizarrely persistently defending doing that) an article by Faurisson about the diary and suggesting it represented a respected and credible academic argument. Cheers.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[FiftyTwo]

The topic at hand is about vandalism to Anne Frank books in Japan.

Topic is about vandalism to copies .......... a big difference.

[Jingthing]

A massive difference as far as monetary value and historical significance. Not that different in terms of the anti-semitic message conveyed by such defacement. I really doubt very many people were ever confused to think this was about an attack on the ORIGINAL diary anyway.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[7by7]

Fifty Two, the political significance of the book chosen is very significant.

But whatever book was chosen, it is still vandalism.

I suggest you go into your local library or bookstore and start tearing pages out of books. When arrested say "But it doesn't matter, they're just copies, not the original manuscript!".

Let us know what sentence you get.

Edited February 22, 2014 by 7by7

[Pakboong]

"The geographic scope of these incidents strongly suggest an organised effort to denigrate the memory of the most famous of the 1.5 million Jewish children murdered by the Nazis in the World War II Holocaust," Abraham Cooper, the centre’s associate dean, said in a statement.

The OP contributes to the confusion by mistakingly stating that Anne Frank was murdered by the Nazi's. She in fact died of Typhus at Bergen Belsen.

[Scott]

Posts deleted.

[krisb]

So anyway, hope they beefed up security.

[Jingthing]

"The geographic scope of these incidents strongly suggest an organised effort to denigrate the memory of the most famous of the 1.5 million Jewish children murdered by the Nazis in the World War II Holocaust," Abraham Cooper, the centre’s associate dean, said in a statement.

The OP contributes to the confusion by mistakingly stating that Anne Frank was murdered by the Nazi's. She in fact died of Typhus at Bergen Belsen.

Bergen Belsen was a death camp. Typhus and starvation was a way that many people who dodged the gas on entry died. Those not gassed right away were used as slave labor, as was Anne Frank. You're splitting hairs saying she wasn't murdered by the Nazis. She was shipped on a Nazi transport to a concentration camp. Why did she have typhus? She was living in a death camp and being starved. Exposed to disease by inhumane conditions and not any chance of building her resistance to it.

Yes if she had been one of the few lucky ones to live until LIBERATION time, she could have survived the holocaust, but like the vast majority of Jews in Europe in that time, she wasn't lucky.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[krisb]

Days gone by now.

Let's move forward.

Your obviously Jewish, me German blood, let's try and forget, it's a sensitive subject.

This idiotic vandalism was likely undertaken by some idiotic jerks with too much spare time.

[Jingthing]

Days gone by now.

Let's move forward.

Your obviously Jewish, me German blood, let's try and forget, it's a sensitive subject.

This idiotic vandalism was likely undertaken by some idiotic jerks with too much spare time.

We are not EVER going to forget, so forget about that.

Not forgetting about the Spanish Inquisition either.

There are still a few holocaust victims alive today and you want us to forget ALREADY?

NEIN.

Fuggedaboutit ...

Though, of course this is not about blaming modern day Germans.

I'm sure it is a real drag being a modern German and STILL having people all over the world associating you with Nazi Germany. No, that isn't fair. But compared to the holocaust, it's a nice slice of apple strudel.

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Scott]

,,,,,Let's stay on the topic of the destruction of books and things a little more closely associated with those events.

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[Jingthing]

They can't destroy the writings of Anne Frank no matter how many books they desecrate!

The Nazis could kill her body.

But her spirit and her story of faith in the goodness of humanity in the face of total evil live on forever.

That said, I reckon she would have rather lived to a ripe old age without that death camp business and trade that for all the posthumous fame in the world, and who could blame her?

Edited February 22, 2014 by Jingthing

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted. Further off-topic posts will not have courtesy of a public notice. Continued off-topic posting and you will get a suspension.