Thai government supporters vow to 'deal with' Bangkok protesters

[hawker9000]

So the rest of the redshirts who are NOT affiliated with the rice scheme are showing their true colors.

Get ready for battle field Bangkok,

.... as long as there are STILL is a quite a high number of TRUE redshirt Thaksin fanatics, Thaksin and ThaksinDEMO-ocracy will NEVER die....

Yeap, you gotta' at least give the thaksinistas points for persistence, don't ya'? 'More of a cult obsession really, but still... And the man's a criminal fugitive! I wonder if the NSA monitors those daily Dubai telcons.

[Centrum]

A government democratically voted into power.

What is it you Yellow farangs don't understand?

If in the western world we don't like the government, we vote against them, or abstain.

Can you give me an example of a 'western' government where the elected leader evaded paying tax of billions of dollars on the sale of the country's telecom monopoly?

Just because Thailand has glitzy shopping malls and the BTS, the odd Ferrari dealership, and 5 star hotels and resorts, doesn't mean it isn't a 3rd world country.

And how often do we see democratic elections in 3rd world countries?

[hawker9000]

A government democratically voted into power.

What is it you Yellow farangs don't understand?

If in the western world we don't like the government, we vote against them, or abstain.

Can you give me an example of a 'western' government where the elected leader evaded paying tax of billions of dollars on the sale of the country's telecom monopoly?

Just because Thailand has glitzy shopping malls and the BTS, the odd Ferrari dealership, and 5 star hotels and resorts, doesn't mean it isn't a 3rd world country.

And how often do we see democratic elections in 3rd world countries?

Gosh, I was a kid then, but I seem to remember LOTS of demonstrating, and LOTS of protests leading up to final passage of the Civil Rights Act in the U.S. in 1964. LOTS of demonstrations & protests during the war in Vietnam as well - and most would say they were, in the end, quite effective in ending that war. Just recently in the U.S. we even had an "occupy" movement as well; believe me, there were out there doing more than just "voting". So, I'd say Mr. Lost+ needs to stop pontificating and understand that we do a little MORE in the west than just vote ("or abstain")...

[ianf]

The people are ready to rise up and fight this anti democratic fascist movement.

If there is further violence, Suthep and his thugs have no one to blame but themselves for trying to overthrow a democratically elected government.

Sorry, you are backing the wrong horse. Anybody with an ounce of understanding can see that this post is utterly off-beam. Look at Thaksin's historu! Look at his connections? Look at the type of speeches his supporters make. (Jaturporn for example). Review the U-Tube videos of the red short leaders' speeches during 2010. And you are serious about calling Suthep a fascist? My God! I'd hate to meet you in a dark alley. Where on earth is your humanity?

But how do you ( or anyone for that matter ) know for certain which is the right or wrong horse? Doesn't it seem a bit too coincidental that Ukraine, Thailand and now a Venezuela all erupt politically around about the same time ?

Whereas Ukraine is eastern Europe’s breadbasket, Thailand is Asia’s “rice bowl.” Yingluck has made several statements that any agreement on a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade zone must take into account the needs of Thailand’s farmers, who serve as the bedrock of popular support for Yingluck’s “Red Shirt” movement. After Yingluck came to the defense of Thailand’s farmers, who would oppose any attempt by Monsanto to introduce genetically-modified rice to the country (which previously occurred with Haiti, which saw its rice industry decimated), pro-royalist “Yellow Shirt” protesters took to the streets of Bangkok

http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/11624

It is no coincidence that these countries are erupting in a similar way. It is also no coincidence that the people Thaksin is associated with are also people linked to eruptions in these countries. Chatham House for example and other global financiers working in harmony across the world. There are more powerful and bigger names than Thaksin involved in this. Certainly more intelligent people. But Thaksin is in their thrall and to a certain extent is used by these people as part of their global strategy. Obviously, as a sociopath, Thaksin loves the attention and the power and the wealth! But as usual, across the globe, it is the poor that are the pawns and it is the poor that suffer. No matter that some of the lumpen support Thaksin, they are disposable and people can be easily manipulated to be the front line for global fascists. What we are seeing at the moment, is more than local new money versus old money. It goes deeper than that, and people like BoxClever simply do not understand the game. They only see what there is immediately in front of them without understanding the larger picture or the depth of manipulation involved.

But there are huge differences with Ukraine. In Ukraine it is neo-nazi mobs that are creating mayhem and violence - the contrast is that the protestors in BKK are mainly peaceful and there is a fete-like atmosphere with food vendors and the like. These people are being attacked by the Thaksin mobs and there is clear evidence of this throughout the internet. It can no longer be hidden or lied about. The hate speech this weekend by the biggest neo-nazi of all, the demented Jaturporn, made it quite clear what their strategy is because they are not so much fighting against Suthep - they are fighting FOR and instructed by Thaksin. His acolytes will go out of their way to show their boss just how strong and powerful they are and Thaksin is happily pulling the puppet strings whilst HIS colleagues - the rich and powerful - are laughing all the way to their power bases. This is why I get so frustrated with posters who cannot see what is happening because at the end of the day they are just as much pawns as the farmers have been. Make no mistake here - the red kwais are beginning to enjoy their 'power' in the same way as the German working classes got a buzz from slaughtering jews, whom their leader had identified as the enemy. This type of enjoyment and buzz is a powerful aphrodisiac which has come through the fore through the emotional manipulation they have been subjected to over the past few years It is this power, when unleashed, that is the danger for Thailand and will set Thai against Thai. We are just at the beginning of the process. The PR people (Amsterdam & Co), working on behalf of Thaksin and his masters, will spin and spin and lie and lie blaming this all on Suthep, Abhisit or whoever else stands in their way. The real s??t has yet to hit the fan.

Edited February 24, 2014 by ianf

[bigbamboo]

You might want to consider more the meaning of fascism before you go popping off.

"Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power -- a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack. The stick replaces the carrot."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/What_Is_Fascism_Gibson.html

Anti-Thaksin Protesters Are Thailand’s Tea Partiers

Inconveniently, if Yingluck stepped down and called fresh elections tomorrow, she— and Pheu Thai—would win again. And again. That’s why Suthep has declared that it would not be enough for the prime minister to resign and call new elections. He wants all trace of the Shinawatra machine gone. He wants Yingluck to quit and be replaced temporarily by an unelected people’s council and an interim prime minister more acceptable to protesters. That would be followed by some kind of reform that would make it impossible for the Shinawatras to ever win again.

If this doesn’t sound like democracy, it isn’t. But apparently, that’s not the point.

“You have to throw away this definition of what democracy is supposed to be,” Voranai tells me. “This is not about democracy and rule of law, blah, blah, blah. This is a fight. This is a fight for who’s going to run this country. They (protesters) fear the monopolization of power by the Shinawatra family. This is a fight for the future.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/03/anti-thaksin-protesters-are-thailand-s-tea-partiers.html

While I don't strictly disagree with your definition of fascism, it is very subjective.

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
• from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
  • n. A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
  • My favourite
  • from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English
  • n. an authoritarian system of government under absolute control of a single dictator, allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.
• The article you quoted is just another poor example of the way Western media continually tries to shoe-horn everything to fit it's public's pre-conceptions.

In my humble opinion ;-)

So which side are the real fascists?

'Parliamentary institutions are usually cast aside or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders frequently through a popularist leader'.

So are we talking about the Dems or the PTP here?

[Hawkman]

A government democratically voted into power.

What is it you Yellow farangs don't understand?

If in the western world we don't like the government, we vote against them, or abstain.

Can you give me an example of a 'western' government where the elected leader evaded paying tax of billions of dollars on the sale of the country's telecom monopoly?

Just because Thailand has glitzy shopping malls and the BTS, the odd Ferrari dealership, and 5 star hotels and resorts, doesn't mean it isn't a 3rd world country.

And how often do we see democratic elections in 3rd world countries?

Also, a Western Government wouldn't produce a Bill to whitewash hideous corruption crimes, so they can get off scot free and continue to load themselves with billions.

They also wouldn't do a pledging scheme (yes, they'd do pledging schemes but not on this scale) that could potentially destroy the country's finances by robbing the taxpayers money and giving it all to corrupt officials and Governers.

[Hawkman]

A government democratically voted into power.

What is it you Yellow farangs don't understand?

If in the western world we don't like the government, we vote against them, or abstain.

Can you give me an example of a 'western' government where the elected leader evaded paying tax of billions of dollars on the sale of the country's telecom monopoly?

Just because Thailand has glitzy shopping malls and the BTS, the odd Ferrari dealership, and 5 star hotels and resorts, doesn't mean it isn't a 3rd world country.

And how often do we see democratic elections in 3rd world countries?

Also, a Western Government wouldn't produce a Bill to whitewash hideous corruption crimes, so they can get off scot free and continue to load themselves with billions.

They also wouldn't do a pledging scheme (yes, they'd do pledging schemes but not on this scale) that could potentially destroy the country's finances by robbing the taxpayers money and giving it all to corrupt officials and Governers.

Western Governments produce many bills which are voted on, some succeed, some fail. Some succeed and are challenged in subsequent bills, some successful bills are reviewed by the courts and can be altered depending on legal precedent.

Sorry, these facts don't conform to your shriveled ideas about governing and democracy. But here at TVF you have plenty of dullard company. Not surprising, just another weed.

The Amnesty bill is quite a different bill to let's say a new Housing development bill. Ok, give me an example, where a Western Government produced the same type of bill whitewashing Politicians and by doing so, all the people, just sat back and let it happen?

You really think that a Government should be allowed to do what they want and wish just because they got voted in? What about if a Government wished to start a Genocide, should people just sit back and let it happen?

I guess this conforms to your "shriveled ideas about governing and democracy".

[Publicus]

You might want to consider more the meaning of fascism before you go popping off.

"Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power -- a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack. The stick replaces the carrot."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/What_Is_Fascism_Gibson.html

Anti-Thaksin Protesters Are Thailand’s Tea Partiers

Inconveniently, if Yingluck stepped down and called fresh elections tomorrow, she— and Pheu Thai—would win again. And again. That’s why Suthep has declared that it would not be enough for the prime minister to resign and call new elections. He wants all trace of the Shinawatra machine gone. He wants Yingluck to quit and be replaced temporarily by an unelected people’s council and an interim prime minister more acceptable to protesters. That would be followed by some kind of reform that would make it impossible for the Shinawatras to ever win again.

If this doesn’t sound like democracy, it isn’t. But apparently, that’s not the point.

“You have to throw away this definition of what democracy is supposed to be,” Voranai tells me. “This is not about democracy and rule of law, blah, blah, blah. This is a fight. This is a fight for who’s going to run this country. They (protesters) fear the monopolization of power by the Shinawatra family. This is a fight for the future.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/03/anti-thaksin-protesters-are-thailand-s-tea-partiers.html

While I don't strictly disagree with your definition of fascism, it is very subjective.

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

• n. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
• from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License
  • n. A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
  • My favourite
  • from the GNU version of the Collaborative International Dictionary of English
  • n. an authoritarian system of government under absolute control of a single dictator, allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.
• The article you quoted is just another poor example of the way Western media continually tries to shoe-horn everything to fit it's public's pre-conceptions.

In my humble opinion ;-)

So which side are the real fascists?

'Parliamentary institutions are usually cast aside or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders frequently through a popularist leader'.

So are we talking about the Dems or the PTP here?

[GeorgeO]

Another Sportpalast speech by Jatuporn. Isn't he out on bail?

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Yes, and hasn't he just breached his bail conditions by inciting violence ... yet again...?!