Redshirt threats get political tension boiling

[Robby nz]

This war drum meeting has shown Thaksins desperation to get the army to step I and take over, giving his thugs a real excuse to come out with their weapons and make it into a civil war.

They would not be fighting the army directly but picking out soft targets like we saw yesterday when markets were attacked alongside peaceful protesters.

There is no way the army could contain that, as is shown right now in the south.

A coup would give the Thaksin camp the opportunity to say a legitimate Government was overthrown by the military.

A civil war would, after sufficient death and destruction, likely bring the UN or US in and Thaksin would hope that he would return to reunite the country.

He has shown in the past that he does not care how many lives his actions cost as long as he has power.

Should he get his wish none of us would be safe for even if we live in peace with our communities, as I do, there will always be those who through jealousy, hate or

just seeing an opportunity to take from the supposed rich farang would be in for their chop.

I for one would not want to live in a country at war, would you ? so be careful what you wish for you posters who seem to manage to get the word coup in most of your posts.

Those who rant about Suthep take a moment to consider, has he of any of his group actually come out from their protest sites and killed anyone ?

The answer to that is no, for all the deaths and injuries have been caused when his group have been attacked, whether by attack or retaliation.

It is a sad indictment on the country and the police force in particular that any protesting group feels the need for guards to protect them and that they would want to arm themselves because they are being shot at and bombed.

There are those who continually say that Suthep wants a coup but I can think of no way that one could benefit him, it would be foolish to think that the army would put him in charge and he would become even more of a marked man and in greater danger as there would be no protesters around him..

Ummm Robby nz, Thailand has had a few of them (coup) I mean, the last one was when Mr. T the lawfully and democratically elected PM was "overthrown" via a military coup, and then whilst the people are still reeling from the death toll, Shoop shoop diddy wop walla walla bang bang, qui9ke while they're not looking they slipped young Mark into play,

Cheers CUZ

You seem to have an extremely poor grasp on recent Thai history.

For a start Thaksin was not the lawfully and democratically elected PM when the coup took place.

He was in a caretaker PM position and that caretaker term had run out so in actual fact he held no official position at all.

And incidentally there was no death toll in the last coup, I was here and saw the peoples reaction, welcoming the army.

And then you don't seem to realize that there were 2 Thaksin proxy Governments between the time the small parasite parties decided they had enough of Thaksin and went over to the Democrats which allowed Abhisit to form a government.

Perhaps as you are one of the ones who insists that Suthep wants a coup you could give us all a clear explanation of how it would benefit him as I have given reasons why one would benefit Thaksin.

[Ricardo]

Ummm Robby nz, Thailand has had a few of them (coup) I mean, the last one was when Mr. T the lawfully and democratically elected PM was "overthrown" via a military coup, and then whilst the people are still reeling from the death toll, Shoop shoop diddy wop walla walla bang bang, qui9ke while they're not looking they slipped young Mark into play,

Cheers CUZ

Others already corrected your mistaken claim concerning "Mr T the lawfully and democratically elected PM" when the peaceful coup took place, so I'll pass that by.

PM Abhisit was elected in Parliament in December-2008, the deaths in Bangkok weren't until Spring-2010, so it's just totally wrong to say "while the people were still reeling from the death toll ... they slipped young Mark into play". The deaths arose from protests against his being PM, for heavens sake !

I know you're probably only trying to 'beat the drums' for what you regard as 'your side', but it does help gain you more respect on TV, if you don't get your facts wrong like this.

[rice555]

This war drum meeting has shown Thaksins desperation to get the army to step I and take over, giving his thugs a real excuse to come out with their weapons and make it into a civil war.

They would not be fighting the army directly but picking out soft targets like we saw yesterday when markets were attacked alongside peaceful protesters.

There is no way the army could contain that, as is shown right now in the south.

A coup would give the Thaksin camp the opportunity to say a legitimate Government was overthrown by the military.

A civil war would, after sufficient death and destruction, likely bring the UN or US in and Thaksin would hope that he would return to reunite the country.

He has shown in the past that he does not care how many lives his actions cost as long as he has power.

Should he get his wish none of us would be safe for even if we live in peace with our communities, as I do, there will always be those who through jealousy, hate or

just seeing an opportunity to take from the supposed rich farang would be in for their chop.

I for one would not want to live in a country at war, would you ? so be careful what you wish for you posters who seem to manage to get the word coup in most of your posts.

Those who rant about Suthep take a moment to consider, has he of any of his group actually come out from their protest sites and killed anyone ?

The answer to that is no, for all the deaths and injuries have been caused when his group have been attacked, whether by attack or retaliation.

It is a sad indictment on the country and the police force in particular that any protesting group feels the need for guards to protect them and that they would want to arm themselves because they are being shot at and bombed.

There are those who continually say that Suthep wants a coup but I can think of no way that one could benefit him, it would be foolish to think that the army would put him in charge and he would become even more of a marked man and in greater danger as there would be no protesters around him..

Ummm Robby nz, Thailand has had a few of them (coup) I mean, the last one was when Mr. T the lawfully and democratically elected PM was "overthrown" via a military coup, and then whilst the people are still reeling from the death toll, Shoop shoop diddy wop walla walla bang bang, qui9ke while they're not looking they slipped young Mark into play,

Cheers CUZ

t was NOT the ELECTED PM at the time of the coup, in fact he had already the same job that

his sister now holds, CARETAKER, but had already given that up and was not Royally endorsed to be caretaker again!

rice555

[Blackmirage2013]

I am absolutely blown away at the red shirt leader THIDA.... she has got to be the most horrible representative for anything except the Wicked Witches Lion's Club.

I mean look at her!!! Would you want to be a member of her group???!! I think NOT... She is God awful looking and her drum beating classic misguided child.... her words come out of her mouth like a toilet backing up... just an evil atrocious, demonic woman!

Red shirts, join a real team! lols

[Sunderland]

"The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort..."

This quote another attempt to denigrate Electoral Democracy forces by suggesting they are devoid of political intent and are uni-dimensional... It is a form of Elitist arrogance implying they have the market cornered on Political awareness. Their coup-mongering friends with their shadowy supporters are self-servingly doing everything in their power to prevent majority-based governance in an Electoral Democracy, and has nothing to do with Thaksin or the performance of this Govt.

If there was a reference to Thaksin at this gathering in Korat yesterday, I missed it..I'm sure there was, but it was merely in passing....All I saw was a format whereby many regionally-based groups of the UDD/RS's, spoke in order throughout the day, exclaiming vociforously their refusal to buckle-under again, to anti-Democtats seeking to steal their voting selections.

This was not a case of UDD incitement...These were grass-roots voters demanding their votes be respected...It didn't take incitement by the UDD or PTP... These people spoke from the heart, many with fire in their eyes..It didn't take the UDD, or PTP to fire these people up....Suthep and his shadowy supporters with their street antics in BKK, plus their user-friendly courts and Independent agencies have done a very good job of that, all by themselves....In fact by the time Jatuporn and Nathawut spoke, it was later in the day, when many participants had already left.

It was noteworthy that unlike many of these gatherings when participants begin to drift home after Lunch. Yesterday the double-tiered levels of this Gymnasium remained packed throughout the day, listening to regional-based leaders of their own kind...No Centralized leadership needed. The PTP/UDD/RS resistance to Elitist anti-democrats is bottom-up, let no-one be confused about that.

The suggestion that the " PDRC co-leaders declared to end the game by launching an "onslaught" against the caretaker government and Shinawatra business empire" is folderol. Their onslaught is a crass challenge by an unelectable political minority against the majority in an Electoral Democracy. They are self-servingly challenging voter-majority selections, pretending it is against a caretaker Govt. A Govt. they are trying to characterize as having no electoral roots...It is those millions of roots they are up against, and those "majority" roots don't appreciate it, nor will accept it.

That was on prominent display in Korat yesterday.

Your perspective is interesting, but the UDD are no better than Suthep and his mobs. They don't represent the 'people' at all. They represent a minority of people who do very well off the back of convincing poor, uneducated farmers that they are worth voting are in order to steal as much as they can before they lose power.

Sorry, but the UDD leaders are just as big a bunch of thugs as any other politicians in this country. People talk about the possibility of a power vacuum in the near future, whereas it is an industrial vacuum cleaner that is needed to suck up all the filth that pretends to represent the 'people' ... I include all sides of the political spectrum in this. Rotten to the core. It's hard to think of any honorable Thai politicians who represent the people.

[Sunderland]

I am absolutely blown away at the red shirt leader THIDA.... she has got to be the most horrible representative for anything except the Wicked Witches Lion's Club.

I mean look at her!!! Would you want to be a member of her group???!! I think NOT... She is God awful looking and her drum beating classic misguided child.... her words come out of her mouth like a toilet backing up... just an evil atrocious, demonic woman!

Red shirts, join a real team! lols

Agreed. How this woman has come to be appointed a leader is baffling.

[ShannonT]

I mean look at her!!! Would you want to be a member of her group???!! I think NOT... She is God awful looking and her drum beating classic misguided child.... her words come out of her mouth like a toilet backing up... just an evil atrocious, demonic woman!

Looks like we're hitting a new low now. Judging people based on looks.

Well, since we're talking about demonic looking people ...

[Siripon]

Looking at a photo taken of the nationwide seminar yesterday from the back of the audience, there were less than a 100 members present by the later stages.

R

[Issangeorge]

Let the courts decide, the PTP have petitioned for the Dems to be disbanded and their executives to be banned for five years, and the Dems have done the same thing against the PTP. So let the courts ban both parties and start over. Maybe they can find some honest politicians. Not likely but nothing surprises me in this country.

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[LadPhrao1234]

You are entitled to your opinion of course, as I am to mine. I would like to post an extract from what I consider a very well written letter by an obviously well educated Thai citizen, Chan Nilgianskul:

"There is more to the Amnesty Bill than meets the eye. For you to say that it is obvious that “this law was passed solely to pave way for Thaksin’s return as a free man with all his wealth restored” shows nothing but shallowness. You have allowed your deeply enshrined political partisanship to blur your analysis. You claim to speak as a “US-trained lawyer,” while it is your prejudice that is doing the actual talking. Mr. Obama deserves better.

For all his weaknesses, Thaksin is not so strategically inept as to think that he could unilaterally push through the Amnesty Bill. Make no mistake; there was undoubtedly some sort of “deal” or at least an understanding in place between the Thaksin camp and key establishment figures before the bill was passed by the Lower House.

“To state the obvious”:

1) There were many enemies of Thaksin who would have benefited from and may have quietly welcomed the Amnesty Bill, but also wanted to appear to the public that they were ready to accept responsibility for their crimes. For example, the 2006 coup leaders (who under the annulled 1997 Constitution in force at the time would have been tried for treason) and several members of the Abhisit administration (who were facing murder charges for the excessively violent 2010 protest crackdowns), to name but a few.

2) Since the bill would still have to pass through the half-appointed and predominantly “anti-Thaksin” Senate before being presented for Royal Assent, it is unlikely that there had been no acknowledgement behind the scenes from those outside the Thaksin camp.

It is also interesting, although not necessarily relevant, to note that prisoners of conscience serving sentences for lese-majeste were for some unknown reasons not included in the amnesty plans, despite many of them being die-hard supporters of Thaksin Shinawatra.

The more logical explanation is that the conservatives, seeing massive popular reaction against the Amnesty Bill, saw the situation as an opportunity to abandon the reconciliation efforts and instead attempt to bring down Thaksin yet again by employing street politics.

"

Nevertheless, we can agree to disagree. But do you not agree that Thailand is standing very precariously on the edge of a very deep abyss? And all it takes a just one more little shove to reach the point of no return. If that were to happen, wouldn't you think that maybe, just maybe, the price for the amnesty bill would have been or might have been a price worth paying?

"Very well written" maybe. But I don't agree with it. On the anti-Thaksin side, the amnesty would have benefited Abhisit and Suthep, but they've been adamant that they wouldn't accept amnesty under any conditions. I suppose that there may have been a push from the hard core yellow shirts behind the scenes to accept amnesty, but that would indicate that Abhisit and Suthep aren't controlled by the "Amaat" as everyone suggests.

I don't see how giving everyone amnesty can just make everything go away. The issues are still there. Nothing will really change, especially if amnesty means that Thaksin can just go back and continue what he was doing before. Protests will continue against Thaksin. The red shirts will still want to go after Abhisit. Welcome to Groundhog Day.

The only way I can see things moving forward is if Yingluck and Thaksin (and the rest of the family) get out of politics.

That does NOT mean that Suthep or his peoples council should take over. That would be worse than now, and worse than 2010.

But while Thaksin continues to be involved, there will continue to be protests. Amnesty won't stop that.

I have no issue with you not agreeing with the article. We are both entitled to our opinions of course.

Publicly, Abhisit and Suthep may have been against the amnesty under any conditions, privately, neither you nor I are privy to their thoughts and desires. So I guess we will have to let that point slide.

Things can move forward if YL and TS get out of politics. Personally, I don't think they will. TS is a proud man and that will be the day that he lets someone like Suthep force him out. If he (TS) get's out of politics, it will be at a time of his own choosing.

Another way for things to move forward is for Suthep to stop the protests. By doing so, he can, inter alia,

- ensure safety for his supporters

- take away the moral high ground for UDD supporters to march to Bkk, thereby reducing the risk of a bloodbath

- let Bkk business and tourist arrivals return to normal

- let the courts do what they may with PT. In the event of a judicial coup and possible violence, he will have a clean conscience that he's not an instigator in the inevitable deaths

Suthep's current actions have no more bite. He is not able to galvanise any more support that he already has. Instead, he is endangering the lives of many innocents. If he is truly a great man and a great leader, he will see that he needs to sacrifice his own desires for the greater good of society. Since no anti-TS poster sees TS as great or good, don't expect the same from him.

I have one question about the Amnesty bill would it have even been proposed if Thaksin in no way was connected with it. I think not. It has a lot of good points and depth to it but it would never have come up if Thaksin was not included in the Amnesty.

As I recall relatives of some of the ones killed in the Temple on the last few days proposed one with out Thaksin, Abhist or Suthep in it and were told no.

"Suthep's current actions have no more bite."

Not entirely sure about that. For no bite they sure are getting a big reaction.

Now if you had said the number of protestors I would have to agree with you. But the reality is they are backed up by a very large portion of the population and the Government as well as the red shirts know that.

That is what they fear.

I believe if they were to have an election now the Democrats would be in power. Might be a minority one but they would be the one's in the P M office.

I how ever believe that with out reforms first it would just turn into the same thing as there would be even a deeper divide in the Nation.

In my opinion the election that the PTP want now will solve no problems. Nor would an all out open one.

I repeat the government must be reformed before we can have unity.

"But the reality is they are backed up by a very large portion of the population and the Government as well as the red shirts know that."

Written by one of the original "Six Million protestors on the streets of Bangkok" fantasy based writers, now updated and enlarged in this new concept to include speaking for the whole country.

Armchair desktop generals making their facts and beliefs up to fit their fantasies here daily. One of many.

[bigbamboo]

Of course there weren't six million anti government protesters in Bangkok any more than there were twelve million rich elites who voted for the Democrats last time.

That's the trouble with all the politicians here..... they lie.

[Dogmatix]

This war drum meeting has shown Thaksins desperation to get the army to step I and take over, giving his thugs a real excuse to come out with their weapons and make it into a civil war.

They would not be fighting the army directly but picking out soft targets like we saw yesterday when markets were attacked alongside peaceful protesters.

There is no way the army could contain that, as is shown right now in the south.

A coup would give the Thaksin camp the opportunity to say a legitimate Government was overthrown by the military.

A civil war would, after sufficient death and destruction, likely bring the UN or US in and Thaksin would hope that he would return to reunite the country.

He has shown in the past that he does not care how many lives his actions cost as long as he has power.

Should he get his wish none of us would be safe for even if we live in peace with our communities, as I do, there will always be those who through jealousy, hate or

just seeing an opportunity to take from the supposed rich farang would be in for their chop.

I for one would not want to live in a country at war, would you ? so be careful what you wish for you posters who seem to manage to get the word coup in most of your posts.

Those who rant about Suthep take a moment to consider, has he of any of his group actually come out from their protest sites and killed anyone ?

The answer to that is no, for all the deaths and injuries have been caused when his group have been attacked, whether by attack or retaliation.

It is a sad indictment on the country and the police force in particular that any protesting group feels the need for guards to protect them and that they would want to arm themselves because they are being shot at and bombed.

There are those who continually say that Suthep wants a coup but I can think of no way that one could benefit him, it would be foolish to think that the army would put him in charge and he would become even more of a marked man and in greater danger as there would be no protesters around him..

Ummm Robby nz, Thailand has had a few of them (coup) I mean, the last one was when Mr. T the lawfully and democratically elected PM was "overthrown" via a military coup, and then whilst the people are still reeling from the death toll, Shoop shoop diddy wop walla walla bang bang, qui9ke while they're not looking they slipped young Mark into play,

Cheers CUZ

You seem to have an extremely poor grasp on recent Thai history.

For a start Thaksin was not the lawfully and democratically elected PM when the coup took place.

He was in a caretaker PM position and that caretaker term had run out so in actual fact he held no official position at all.

And incidentally there was no death toll in the last coup, I was here and saw the peoples reaction, welcoming the army.

And then you don't seem to realize that there were 2 Thaksin proxy Governments between the time the small parasite parties decided they had enough of Thaksin and went over to the Democrats which allowed Abhisit to form a government.

Perhaps as you are one of the ones who insists that Suthep wants a coup you could give us all a clear explanation of how it would benefit him as I have given reasons why one would benefit Thaksin.

In fact the swing factor in electing Abhisit PM was the defection of Newin Chidchorb's faction within Thaksin's own Phalang Prachachon Party that broke away and formed Bhumi Jai Thai. Why did they do that? Because Thaksin's sister, wife of PM Somchai, had her own Northeastern faction in the party and she cut out Newin's faction from the share of the goodies when her husband was PM. It was caused by sheer greed and poor management. The SME party hookers just went with the money, as they always do. They don't care if it is Thaksin, Abhisit or Yingluck, as long as they could get ministries they can make a buck out of.

[Dogmatix]

I am absolutely blown away at the red shirt leader THIDA.... she has got to be the most horrible representative for anything except the Wicked Witches Lion's Club.

I mean look at her!!! Would you want to be a member of her group???!! I think NOT... She is God awful looking and her drum beating classic misguided child.... her words come out of her mouth like a toilet backing up... just an evil atrocious, demonic woman!

Red shirts, join a real team! lols

Agreed. How this woman has come to be appointed a leader is baffling.

She is just an old communist brought our of the deep freeze as a figurehead. She has no power. Other people who channel in the funding call the shots.

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I am absolutely blown away at the red shirt leader THIDA.... she has got to be the most horrible representative for anything except the Wicked Witches Lion's Club.

I mean look at her!!! Would you want to be a member of her group???!! I think NOT... She is God awful looking and her drum beating classic misguided child.... her words come out of her mouth like a toilet backing up... just an evil atrocious, demonic woman!

Red shirts, join a real team! lols

Agreed. How this woman has come to be appointed a leader is baffling.

She is just an old communist brought our of the deep freeze as a figurehead. She has no power. Other people who channel in the funding call the shots.

She was not elected by any election process, she just took over / created the 'leader' position.

Strange for an organization (?) which claims to be the protectors and guardian of democracy.

[visionchaser45]

Leave it to The Nation to accuse the Reds of stirring up political . What the heck has Suthep been doing for months now? It appears to me that he is the master of stirring up political tensions. The Reds have been relatively silent until recently. You can't alienate the majority of voters in the country and expect them to accept it in silence.

[hellodolly]

UDD, PDRC, Suthep, Thaksin, Monks, Police, Army ... old uncle Tom Cobley and all. What we all seem to be forgetting is there is a democratic process here in Thailand and the Government is trying to follow that process but there is opposition to it because Suthep and the cronies that are his money-backers won't allow that to happen because they know what the outcome will be. Thaksin pulling the strings ... maybe (there is no evidence of that) but the fact that the guy still musters so much support is surely an indication of that fact that he was doing something right (I am not a supporter of either camps btw). At the end of the day elections are held to see who can muster most support for a new Government ... PT has demonstrated they can. I think someone said in this thread the people of Thailand just want to get on with their daily lives ... I echo that so let the democratic wheels churn on and let's get back to some sort of equalibrium shall we please.

I don't know who you were in your last incarnation but I am sure that you know the truth. The people of Thailand were the ones who started this current situation by their dislike of the Democratic system of thievery going on at the National level. They were just grass roots people who had remained silent long enough and started to voice their dislike of the thieving being done.

Not sure if you are just a new comer to Thailand or a recycled TV user but you now know who started this. It was not Suthep he came along later and then some businesses that appreciate Thailand and want the best for it followed him.

If you are a new comer to Thailand stay out of red shirt bars. They are completely clueless as to the reality of what the government is doing.

Thailand is unique they have a large part of the population calling for reform and they have no canadates to run for the government. They just want to see it made honest. As I said they were just grass roots people who actually work for a living coming together with money out of their own pocket and saying enough is enough. to date it would seem they don't care what party it is just that it be an honest one. The charges against Thaksin and the conviction go to show his influence is not honorable and as long as he and his stooges are in power Thailand will continue to slide down hill. Remove them and you will have a party acceptable to Thailand.

[Arjay]

"The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) co-leader Natthawut Saikua suggested yesterday that the caretaker government set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast, adding that the red-shirt movement or UDD was all set to go to 100-per-cent combat mode." I'm not pro or against this government but, these "redshirts" cannot accept the simple solution to the problem is the Shinawatra's must resign from politics. Now they are talking civil war! How can you reason or negotiate with people like this?

[Robby nz]

This war drum meeting has shown Thaksins desperation to get the army to step I and take over, giving his thugs a real excuse to come out with their weapons and make it into a civil war.

They would not be fighting the army directly but picking out soft targets like we saw yesterday when markets were attacked alongside peaceful protesters.

There is no way the army could contain that, as is shown right now in the south.

A coup would give the Thaksin camp the opportunity to say a legitimate Government was overthrown by the military.

A civil war would, after sufficient death and destruction, likely bring the UN or US in and Thaksin would hope that he would return to reunite the country.

He has shown in the past that he does not care how many lives his actions cost as long as he has power.

Should he get his wish none of us would be safe for even if we live in peace with our communities, as I do, there will always be those who through jealousy, hate or

just seeing an opportunity to take from the supposed rich farang would be in for their chop.

I for one would not want to live in a country at war, would you ? so be careful what you wish for you posters who seem to manage to get the word coup in most of your posts.

Those who rant about Suthep take a moment to consider, has he of any of his group actually come out from their protest sites and killed anyone ?

The answer to that is no, for all the deaths and injuries have been caused when his group have been attacked, whether by attack or retaliation.

It is a sad indictment on the country and the police force in particular that any protesting group feels the need for guards to protect them and that they would want to arm themselves because they are being shot at and bombed.

There are those who continually say that Suthep wants a coup but I can think of no way that one could benefit him, it would be foolish to think that the army would put him in charge and he would become even more of a marked man and in greater danger as there would be no protesters around him..

Ummm Robby nz, Thailand has had a few of them (coup) I mean, the last one was when Mr. T the lawfully and democratically elected PM was "overthrown" via a military coup, and then whilst the people are still reeling from the death toll, Shoop shoop diddy wop walla walla bang bang, qui9ke while they're not looking they slipped young Mark into play,

Cheers CUZ

You seem to have an extremely poor grasp on recent Thai history.

For a start Thaksin was not the lawfully and democratically elected PM when the coup took place.

He was in a caretaker PM position and that caretaker term had run out so in actual fact he held no official position at all.

And incidentally there was no death toll in the last coup, I was here and saw the peoples reaction, welcoming the army.

And then you don't seem to realize that there were 2 Thaksin proxy Governments between the time the small parasite parties decided they had enough of Thaksin and went over to the Democrats which allowed Abhisit to form a government.

Perhaps as you are one of the ones who insists that Suthep wants a coup you could give us all a clear explanation of how it would benefit him as I have given reasons why one would benefit Thaksin.

In fact the swing factor in electing Abhisit PM was the defection of Newin Chidchorb's faction within Thaksin's own Phalang Prachachon Party that broke away and formed Bhumi Jai Thai. Why did they do that? Because Thaksin's sister, wife of PM Somchai, had her own Northeastern faction in the party and she cut out Newin's faction from the share of the goodies when her husband was PM. It was caused by sheer greed and poor management. The SME party hookers just went with the money, as they always do. They don't care if it is Thaksin, Abhisit or Yingluck, as long as they could get ministries they can make a buck out of.

Correct mate, and that is why I refer to them and the other small parties as the parasite parties.

They are only there to suck the blood out of the country and don't care who they have to go with to do it.

[Crushdepth]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

UDD haven't shown 'restraint', they are on a leash. Their leadership is on the government payroll. It's the government that is keeping them out of town. They know that a repeat of 2010 would bring them down.

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[ShannonT]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

UDD haven't shown 'restraint', they are on a leash. Their leadership is on the government payroll. It's the government that is keeping them out of town. They know that a repeat of 2010 would bring them down.

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You are so wrong. Puea Thai is not the UDD.

[Crushdepth]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

UDD haven't shown 'restraint', they are on a leash. Their leadership is on the government payroll. It's the government that is keeping them out of town. They know that a repeat of 2010 would bring them down.

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You are so wrong. Puea Thai is not the UDD.

I didn't say they were. Just that their leaders are on the government payroll.

[casualbiker]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

UDD haven't shown 'restraint', they are on a leash. Their leadership is on the government payroll. It's the government that is keeping them out of town. They know that a repeat of 2010 would bring them down.

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You are so wrong. Puea Thai is not the UDD.

If you had said that Phua Thai are not the red shirts then I would agree. As in talking about grassroots Issan people. If you are talking UDD and it's top leadership then I disagree. The top leadership Weng, Thida, Nattawutt, Jataphon etc are not even from Issan!

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[Robby nz]

----------Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics group, said the country's political saga had entered its final chapter with violence expected to boil over. The Thaksin regime had been shaken to its core. The PM was cornered and felt her life was in danger because the military had distanced itself and the police had buckled to public scrutiny. "The red shirts' hard core is Thaksin's last resort plus his crony police officers helping him to carry out underground operations focusing on instigating unlimited violence,'' he said----------

The RS/UDD have not been shaken and they are not in a last resort situation. It is the other way round with their many 'finals' and 'ends' games. This Thaksinphobic will make to realize that the RS/UDD have been showing utmost restraint, patient and tolerance. They remained in low profile was because they were hoping that they can continue to have faith and trust in the military and the 'old elite' power to work for reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The situation now is like what Jatuporn Promphan said "No one allows himself to be harassed without striking back. If we do not stand up and fight, it means we give our motherland to Suthep,''

Another worrying situation, was that RS/UDD is prepared to set up an administration "in exile" in the North or Northeast.

With Thailand's politics now playing the business and consumer cards, business communities are forced to reevaluate their HQ operations in BKK. It looks like some will move to the North while some to the South and leaving BKK empty.

AEC can wait, since most countries are not fully ready anyway. The high-speed train can begin from the North to connect Europe and China. Flood and water management focus on the Northern region. Foreign investors will have to review where should they put their money.

Faith and trust in negotiation are now nonexistence, with the RS/UDD do not want to be bullied, harassed and cornered and the dem's pdrc/pcad, the military and 'old elite' insist on a non-elected government. It seems a violence confrontation is inevitable.

No body in Thailand want to see such situation, but if it has to, may the will of Dharma be done.

UDD haven't shown 'restraint', they are on a leash. Their leadership is on the government payroll. It's the government that is keeping them out of town. They know that a repeat of 2010 would bring them down.

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You are so wrong. Puea Thai is not the UDD.

Then why are there so many UDD leaders who are PT MP's or have cabinet positions ?

Nattawat, Weng who were up on the stage with Jatuporn who is an ex PT MP after being stupid enough to get himself kicked out.

Then there is Thida the wife of a PT MP to keep it in the family.

If I remember correctly there are 11 in total.

And if you want proof of being on the payrole consider how Jatuporn who listed his occupation as a political activist became a millionaire.

[oldsailor35]

Jatuporn..........some roads in Bangkok will turn RED.................we will ensure No clashes or Violence ??

Use your brains stupid...............RED SHIRTS !