Samsung Galaxy S5: can fitness and fingerprint sensors beat Apple?

[muratremix]

It is very ugly, looks worse than galaxy S4, no new innovation except for camera (we'll see), same resolution pentile screen, only quad core cpu (compared to 8 core S4), no 64 bit, crappy fingerprint sensor (compared to Apple).

Design looks worse than Chinese S4 knock-offs and who offers Gold colour phone in Plastic shell?? Enough with copying/following Apple in every move.

Rather opinionated for a product that hasn't even reached the shelves yet? Get a life.

They announced it in front of hundreds of people and hardware speaks for itself. I have a life, I'm not defending an ugly piece of sh!t electronic device against all odds. I'm just criticising it.

[muratremix]

Some compare 1560 mah battery of a 4" size phone to 5.1" phone with 2800 mah. One must have common sense to realize bigger battery requires bigger space in phone and bigger phone needs bigger battery to provide enough battery life.

LG G2 has technology to save battery life using display ram to cache static images in screen, Samsung has no such innovation. Who puts old tech fingerprint to a phone anyway?

I did not compare the batteries size, I only pointed out that it's not user replaceable. Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Another thing - LED display technology is superior to the LCD regarding the energy consumption, LED is also much never than LCD (speaking of old tech).

You mentioned many times of the over saturated colors of Samsung's AMOLED displays in different topics. I don't see it as a negative as I, in fact, like it. However for the folks like you there is an option to change the display colors on samsung devices, so here you go.

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Edited: autocorrects' smart changes.

LED is not display but lighting behind the lcd panel. iPhone 5/5s screen is best calibrated display with 600 nits brightness (samsung amoled users can only dream). If you like oversaturated displays and like to look at surreal, hyperral images then you're welcome to stick to Samsung. It is no different than lying to yourself, which is same thing when you say you like S5 design

muratremix, They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. In your case it simply proves you don't know what you're waffling on about.

We'll start with the simple bit first. LED stands for light emitting diode. In other words it produces it's own light, and produces it more efficiently so reducing power consumption. In older technology LED's were used for back lighting for LCD displays instead of standard back lighting. This did reduce power over standard back lighting.

AMOLED stands for active matrix organic light emitting diode, And the beauty of it is guess what...........it doesn't need any back lighting.

The LED's are arranged on a TFT matrix where each LED is one of the three colours within a pixel and is turned on/off plus has it's brightness controlled by two TFT's. This is a much more power efficient method of lighting a display than using a back lit LCD display, even if that LCD display is back lit by LED's.

AMOLED displays also give a true black level. Because each pixel has it's own LED's and, within each pixel of black, the LED's are turned off, no light is produced at all. Unlike back lit LCD displays used by Apple where the back light must always remain on and 'seeps' through to give blacks a slightly lighter black level. (In the early days of Plasma v LCD this was the one main advantage plasma had).

Because of their design, the viewing angle with AMOLED is much wider than can be obtained with LCD. it also means, as well as being more efficient, AMOLED displays are much thinner and lighter than LCD displays.

And one final point, Shurup is right. LED technology is superior to the older LCD technology.

I wasn't going to answer this as you obviously a grumpy old man. However, what part of my statement you think you are correcting?

You're the one think LED display is different than LCD display, I'm the one saying the only difference is backlighting (CFL vs Led). iPhone screens has led backlight and IPS LCD screen.

You're the one copying wikipedia quotations, not me. As I am younger, I have better understanding of technology than you old man. Now stop ridiculing yourself.

[Shurup]

I wasn't going to answer this as you obviously a grumpy old man. However, what part of my statement you think you are correcting?

You're the one think LED display is different than LCD display, I'm the one saying the only difference is backlighting (CFL vs Led). iPhone screens has led backlight and IPS LCD screen.

You're the one copying wikipedia quotations, not me. As I am younger, I have better understanding of technology than you old man. Now stop ridiculing yourself.

Link to your claim please or your argument is void.

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[muratremix]

I wasn't going to answer this as you obviously a grumpy old man. However, what part of my statement you think you are correcting?

You're the one think LED display is different than LCD display, I'm the one saying the only difference is backlighting (CFL vs Led). iPhone screens has led backlight and IPS LCD screen.

You're the one copying wikipedia quotations, not me. As I am younger, I have better understanding of technology than you old man. Now stop ridiculing yourself.

Link to your claim please or your argument is void.

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http://www.displaymate.com/Spectrum_9.html

The Backlights for LCD displays are white LEDs, which are made by using a Blue LED together with a yellow phosphor to transform some of the light for the Red and Green primaries. The spectrum of an LCD display is just the spectrum of its white LED Backlight filtered through the individual Red, Green and Blue sub-pixel filters within the LCD panel.

Now who is telling the truth huh? You guys are funny, thinking you can undermine me with your basic understanding of telephones.

Hopefully you'll stop your ridiculous attacks from now on. Get your facts straight before attacking someone else.

[muratremix]

If displaymate is not enough proof for you (because you have no idea what displaymate is) here is another one

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review

4" 1136 x 640 LED backlit LCD

Boom (to those who think led [backlight] display is something very different than TFT).

[guzzi850m2]

Some of you guys here are really funny.

Getting into a pissing contest over a bloody mobile phone.

Buy one if you like it, don't if you don't like it, simple as that.

[Shurup]

@​muratremix your 2nd link isn't loading but if it's any similar to the 1st one, I would suggest you go back to studying, and better studying not from iPhone links. The 1st link talks primarily about LCD display. It doesn't explain how LED phone display works and you STILL have no understanding of the technology.

I can't also understand whether you're lazy or don't know how to use Google. Simple "how amoled display works" brings up enough results.

Here, I will help you out a little and post one of the links here. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/oled.htm

I'm busy, getting married tomorrow, but it didn't take me long to get this link. Read, try to comprehend and stop misinforming people. I will go follow my signature advice.

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[muratremix]

@​muratremix your 2nd link isn't loading but if it's any similar to the 1st one, I would suggest you go back to studying, and better studying not from iPhone links. The 1st link talks primarily about LCD display. It doesn't explain how LED phone display works and you STILL have no understanding of the technology.

I can't also understand whether you're lazy or don't know how to use Google. Simple "how amoled display works" brings up enough results.

Here, I will help you out a little and post one of the links here. http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/oled.htm

I'm busy, getting married tomorrow, but it didn't take me long to get this link. Read, try to comprehend and stop misinforming people. I will go follow my signature advice.

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If second link does not open for you, go to anandtech.com and search for iphone 5 review. Or perhaps you don't want to accept my proof and your defeat in this matter.

in first link it says what kind of display / backlighting for iphone and normally it is enough proof, but not proof enough for you eh?

in second link anandtech experts confirm my claims as it is one of the most trusted tech websites.

Why you keep insisting I don't understand bla bla? Prove that I'm wrong about anything or shut the blip up forever.

You guys mix up lcd, led, cfl, oled and blame me for your confusion?

[Shurup]

See my signature.

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[muratremix]

See my signature.

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So you use a quote from a philosopher and that explains all the lost arguments of yours? What do you want me to say? You talk big yet you change subject when I prove my claims properly.

Next time please don't make a statement in matters you absolutely have no knowledge about.

Perhaps I make this into my signature?

"Please don't make a statement in matters you absolutely have no knowledge about!"

Besides, it is something I made, not copied from another thinker. LOL.

Edit: You should give credit to Mark Twain in your signature as you steal his words, atleast give proper credits.

Edited February 28, 2014 by muratremix

[muratremix]

LED is not display but lighting behind the lcd panel. iPhone 5/5s screen is best calibrated display with 600 nits brightness (samsung amoled users can only dream). If you like oversaturated displays and like to look at surreal, hyperral images then you're welcome to stick to Samsung. It is no different than lying to yourself, which is same thing when you say you like S5 design

Well buddy, for starters, before you say anything else you better familiarize yourself with technology. Specifically what is LCD and what is LED dispaly. Ignorance is a bliss.

Second, I repeat, don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say. Show me where I said I liked the S5 design.

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Just quoting again before he continues his BS.

Ignorance is a bliss eh? You must be very happy with your ignorance. Talking about display technology without any idea, shame on you

Funny thing is, I never mentioned LCD in any of my messages yet you started your BS based on what? Ghost whisperer?

Let me give you some more info so you can twist my words add something I haven't written and claim you won an arguement by lying to yourself.

Any credible graphic designer choose IPS / PLS display because they are easy to calibrate and can work long time without losing image quality.

Amoled is nowhere near stability of led backlight LCD panels and not preferred by professionals. If it was perfect like you claimed, they would make 24-27" amoled displays to be used by professionals. Nobody will pay a display that'll lose brightness of individual subpixels (RGB) in different amounts after 1000s of hours of use. Nobody will calibrate their display every XXX hours.

Until they come up with a solution to this oled's problem, OLED will never replace lcd screens ever.

Now stop emberassing yourself before your wedding. I hear stress makes a grumpy face, you don't want grumpy face in a Thai wedding.

[Shurup]

Edit: You should give credit to Mark Twain in your signature as you steal his words, atleast give proper credits.

© at the end of my signature stands for Copyright, meaning I'm not claiming it being my words, you have no understanding of other things in life, not just basic phone technology, you called me a thief so F.O.

LED is not display but lighting behind the lcd panel.

Funny thing is, I never mentioned LCD in any of my messages yet you started your BS based on what?

Based on your ignorance - Light behind the display is the LCD technology, be it light from the LED or other source.

If second link does not open for you, go to anandtech.com and search for iphone 5 review.

You can shove your iFruit and its reviews where sun doesn't shine, While I can accept that the iPhone devices are fine for non tech savvy users and I might own one as a second device just for simple things, I do not want the iTunes sh!t anywhere near my computer and without iTunes the iPhone is useless.

Have a good day, I have no more time for your nonsense, have good time talking to yourself.

[muratremix]

Edit: You should give credit to Mark Twain in your signature as you steal his words, atleast give proper credits.

© at the end of my signature stands for Copyright, meaning I'm not claiming it being my words, you have no understanding of other things in life, not just basic phone technology, you called me a thief so F.O.

LED is not display but lighting behind the lcd panel.

Funny thing is, I never mentioned LCD in any of my messages yet you started your BS based on what?

Based on your ignorance - Light behind the display is the LCD technology, be it light from the LED or other source.

You can shove your iFruit and its reviews where sun doesn't shine, While I can accept that the iPhone devices are fine for non tech savvy users and I might own one as a second device just for simple things, I do not want the iTunes sh!t anywhere near my computer and without iTunes the iPhone is useless.

Have a good day, I have no more time for your nonsense, have good time talking to yourself.

Copyright icon is not the proper way to give credit to owner. Your way of twisting my words to get over water like olive oil is funny. You can't win any arguement yet you still attack? You'll never learn will you?

I never mentioned LCD until you claim LED is superior to LCD, check your messages and get your facts straight. Or are you suffering from weak memory (due to age) aswell?

[muratremix]

It is fun trolling a troll.

Lets see, go to first page of topic:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/706924-samsung-galaxy-s5-can-fitness-and-fingerprint-sensors-beat-apple/

ctrl + f in firefox to search

type lcd and hit enter

Written by shurup

Another thing - LED display technology is superior to the LCD regarding the energy consumption, LED is also much never than LCD (speaking of old tech).

So who started it? You. I only answered it and told the difference between two technologies.

As I suspected, you are having issues with weak memory, which I'll start to feel after 25-30 years later. Don't start an arguement if you can't trust your memory.

Edit: to / ing

Edited February 28, 2014 by muratremix

[sumrit]

http://www.displaymate.com/Spectrum_9.html

The Backlights for LCD displays are white LEDs, which are made by using a Blue LED together with a yellow phosphor to transform some of the light for the Red and Green primaries. The spectrum of an LCD display is just the spectrum of its white LED Backlight filtered through the individual Red, Green and Blue sub-pixel filters within the LCD panel.

Now who is telling the truth huh? You guys are funny, thinking you can undermine me with your basic understanding of telephones.

Hopefully you'll stop your ridiculous attacks from now on. Get your facts straight before attacking someone else.

Hurrah, you nearly understand the basic principle of how an LCD display works. Of course you've missed out the most important part of all, namely how the back light brightness level within each pixel is varied to produce the actual picture.

But never mind..............it was a good try and you must have worked really hard trying to find all that information.

The source of the light is irrelevant to the principle of of how an LCD display works but it has great relevance to the efficiency of the display. Hence LED backlighting is more efficient and cost effective. But the back light must remain on permanently and without some form of back lighting the LCD system simply it wouldn't work would it.

AMOLED (which is the alternative we're comparing) on the other hand doesn't have or need any form of back light. It is a true LED display that doesn't require any form of external lighting to work. The light for the display is generated by the LED's built into the matrix system within each pixel, so each pixel on the display has it's own LED's producing the light for that pixel. NO EXTERNAL BACK LIGHTING IS USED OR REQUIRED.

With LCD displays the back lighting is permanently full on (and using precious battery power). Darkening/lightening the display is done by (un)blocking the light by varying the opaqueness of the liquid crystals at each and every pixel, not turning the back light on/off/up/down.

With AMOLED on the other hand the brightness of each individual LED is varied as and when needed, giving a real power saving.

So there is a major difference. The older LCD technology requires LED back lighting while an AMOLED display requires no back lighting at all and is far more efficient.

Do you really think you are insulting me by keep calling me an old man? What a childish comment to make. Are you really that stupid? Why would it upset me being called old? Compared to most people (eg: my children and grandchildren) I am old. But during my lifetime I have received a university education up to degree standard then continued to keep abreast of, and at the sharp end of new technology throughout my working life. And of course I have had years of knowledge, experience, technical knowhow and ability gained throughout my life. No, rather than be insulted I am proud to be called old, because that's what I am.

You said " As I am younger, I have better understanding of technology".

What a stupid statement to make!!!!

Age (or lack of it) doesn't give you, or anybody else, an understanding of technology...........ability and knowledge does. Sadly every time you type a response here you prove to the rest of us that you possess neither.

[muratremix]

http://www.displaymate.com/Spectrum_9.html

The Backlights for LCD displays are white LEDs, which are made by using a Blue LED together with a yellow phosphor to transform some of the light for the Red and Green primaries. The spectrum of an LCD display is just the spectrum of its white LED Backlight filtered through the individual Red, Green and Blue sub-pixel filters within the LCD panel.

Now who is telling the truth huh? You guys are funny, thinking you can undermine me with your basic understanding of telephones.

Hopefully you'll stop your ridiculous attacks from now on. Get your facts straight before attacking someone else.

Hurrah, you nearly understand the basic principle of how an LCD display works. Of course you've missed out the most important part of all, namely how the back light brightness level within each pixel is varied to produce the actual picture.

But never mind..............it was a good try and you must have worked really hard trying to find all that information.

The source of the light is irrelevant to the principle of of how an LCD display works but it has great relevance to the efficiency of the display. Hence LED backlighting is more efficient and cost effective. But the back light must remain on permanently and without some form of back lighting the LCD system simply it wouldn't work would it.

AMOLED (which is the alternative we're comparing) on the other hand doesn't have or need any form of back light. It is a true LED display that doesn't require any form of external lighting to work. The light for the display is generated by the LED's built into the matrix system within each pixel, so each pixel on the display has it's own LED's producing the light for that pixel. NO EXTERNAL BACK LIGHTING IS USED OR REQUIRED.

With LCD displays the back lighting is permanently full on (and using precious battery power). Darkening/lightening the display is done by (un)blocking the light by varying the opaqueness of the liquid crystals at each and every pixel, not turning the back light on/off/up/down.

With AMOLED on the other hand the brightness of each individual LED is varied as and when needed, giving a real power saving.

So there is a major difference. The older LCD technology requires LED back lighting while an AMOLED display requires no back lighting at all and is far more efficient.

Do you really think you are insulting me by keep calling me an old man? What a childish comment to make. Are you really that stupid? Why would it upset me being called old? Compared to most people (eg: my children and grandchildren) I am old. But during my lifetime I have received a university education up to degree standard then continued to keep abreast of, and at the sharp end of new technology throughout my working life. And of course I have had years of knowledge, experience, technical knowhow and ability gained throughout my life. No, rather than be insulted I am proud to be called old, because that's what I am.

You said " As I am younger, I have better understanding of technology".

What a stupid statement to make!!!!

Age (or lack of it) doesn't give you, or anybody else, an understanding of technology...........ability and knowledge does. Sadly every time you type a response here you prove to the rest of us that you possess neither.

If you insist attacking me with your lack of knowledge, you should be prepared for public humiliation.

For your information, I'm not going into a debate regarding these issues with my father (about your age) or grandfather (far older than you)

You still defend Amoled? Whats your problem man? Are you having sight issues aswell or just forget what you read pretty quick? How many times I have to tell problems of oled & amoled technology?

Do you really want to hear from me why Samsung had to invent pentile / diamond pentile system in order to get around these problems by cheating in subpixel arrangement? Will you not learn why subpixels different wearing rate is pretty darn important for display quality?

Did you know amoleds suck under sunlight?

Did you know amoleds can't give over 300-350 nits brightness? (iPhone 5 lcd with led backlight gives 600 nits, makes it readable under sunlight)

Now accept your defeat and get the ** out of here. Protect your honour and don't get into debates you can't win, period.

[sumrit]

If you insist attacking me with your lack of knowledge, you should be prepared for public humiliation.

For your information, I'm not going into a debate regarding these issues with my father (about your age) or grandfather (far older than you)

You still defend Amoled? Whats your problem man? Are you having sight issues aswell or just forget what you read pretty quick? How many times I have to tell problems of oled & amoled technology?

Do you really want to hear from me why Samsung had to invent pentile / diamond pentile system in order to get around these problems by cheating in subpixel arrangement? Will you not learn why subpixels different wearing rate is pretty darn important for display quality?

Did you know amoleds suck under sunlight?

Did you know amoleds can't give over 300-350 nits brightness? (iPhone 5 lcd with led backlight gives 600 nits, makes it readable under sunlight)

Now accept your defeat and get the ** out of here. Protect your honour and don't get into debates you can't win, period.

I am well aware of both the advantages and disadvantages of AMOLED, as I am about LCD technology. I am not, and never have defended AMOLED, Samsung or for that matter Apple. I am merely correcting your ignorance on the difference between AMOLED and LCD displays and your obvious lack of technical ability in understanding those differences. Go back, read and digest mine and other peoples posts if you don't believe me.

I am not and have not commented on their merits or otherwise of either system other than a saving of battery power.

YOUR TOTALLY BIASED OPINION OF AMOLED IS OF NO INTEREST TO ME WHATSOEVER. AFTER THE SORT OF CRAP YOU'VE WRITTEN ON THIS FORUM YOU WOULD BE THE LAST PERSON I WOULD SEEK OUT FOR ADVICE ON ANYTHING. I am more than capable of seeking out, AND UNDERSTANDING, any UNBIASED technical information I need to make an informed decision without looking at your drivel.

You stated that, in mobile phones, LED displays are LCD displays with LED backlighting. THAT IS WRONG!!!

AMOLED is a true LED display that uses different technology from LCD displays and doesn't either have or require a backlight.

That is all I (and others here) have said and that is a FACT.

But you are so consumed by your hatred of Samsung that you are not capable of reading what other people write. I doubt whether you have even used a Samsung S3/S4 but you spout drivel and hatred as if your life depended on it. You quote various isolates comments as if to try and impress somebody but, from what you have written here, it is obvious to all technically qualified electronic engineers who read your drivel that you have absolutely no electronics background or understanding whatsoever and your technical ability is likely to be limited to playing with your precious i-phone.

Will you now admit you were wrong...............just say it, AMOLED displays do not require a back light??????????????????

Now go away and stop copying isolated quotes you've trawled the internet to try and find. It doesn't impress anybody here. Come back when you're ready, and able, to talk with real electronics knowledge.

Edited February 28, 2014 by sumrit

[muratremix]

Unbeliveable...

"You stated that, in mobile phones, LED displays are LCD displays with LED backlighting. THAT IS WRONG!!!

AMOLED is a true LED display that uses different technology from LCD displays and doesn't either have or require a backlight.

That is all I (and others here) have said and that is a FACT."

Led display means LCD with Led backlight, just like all IPS and TFT panels on Phones. I never claimed Amoled uses backlight, I even explained why Amoled is bad due to different wearing of sub pixel leds of red green and blue.

It is obvious you can't understand new technology (you got bad nand flash? bad sectors?) and you stil keep trying to beat me while you are getting ridiculing yourself.

"Will you now admit you were wrong...............just say it, AMOLED displays do not require a back light??????????????????"

I never said they do require, keep reading my posts regarding amoled / oled weakness.

You are the one claiming Amoled is superior technology, you should prove it.

Edit: I put your quotes in quotation marks.

Edited March 1, 2014 by muratremix

[muratremix]

It seems somebody mixing OLED and LED here, probably due to aging cells in management.

I'll say no more, if they stop their non-sense (yes shurup and sumrit)

I'm sorry for my harsh words against them but they deserved it, otherwise I wouldn't go into argue with an (or two?) old man.

[sumrit]

Unbeliveable...

"You stated that, in mobile phones, LED displays are LCD displays with LED backlighting. THAT IS WRONG!!!

AMOLED is a true LED display that uses different technology from LCD displays and doesn't either have or require a backlight.

That is all I (and others here) have said and that is a FACT."

Led display means LCD with Led backlight, just like all IPS and TFT panels on Phones. I never claimed Amoled uses backlight, I even explained why Amoled is bad due to different wearing of sub pixel leds of red green and blue.

It is obvious you can't understand new technology (you got bad nand flash? bad sectors?) and you stil keep trying to beat me while you are getting ridiculing yourself.

"Will you now admit you were wrong...............just say it, AMOLED displays do not require a back light??????????????????"

I never said they do require, keep reading my posts regarding amoled / oled weakness.

You are the one claiming Amoled is superior technology, you should prove it.

Edit: I put your quotes in quotation marks.

In post 21 you said LED was not a display but just lighting behind an LCD panel.

I merely pointed out you were wrong, AMOLED was an LED display and didn't require any backlighting.

In post 32 you said the only difference between LED and LCD was the type of back lighting used (CFL v LED).

Again I merely pointed out you were wrong. AMOLED is a true LED display and doesn't have or need any form of back lighting.

You were just comparing the different types of back lighting an LCD panel can use, not the totally different ways LED and LCD displays produce the picture.

I was just correcting your inaccurate statements for the benefit of readers who don't have a technical/electronic background.

If you go back through all my posts you will see that I have never commented on the quality or otherwise of LCD displays, AMOLED, Samsung or Apple/i-phone. All I have said on that score is in post 17 when I said "As for me I chose an IQX2, not because I thought it was anywhere near the best, but because it contains (more than) all the features I want and, for me, it offered them at a price that suited. Simple as that. I'm not interested in saying I've got the best phone. I'm more interested in saying I got value for money and all the features I need".

If you can find a post where I have praised any of these please refer to the post number.

It seems somebody mixing OLED and LED here, probably due to aging cells in management.

I'll say no more, if they stop their non-sense (yes shurup and sumrit)

What a pathetic attempt at a get out by somebody who now clearly knows he is wrong.

OLED is an LED. FACT. There is nothing to confuse. OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode. It is impossible to confuse it with an LED because it is an LED.

From my very first post on the subject i have clearly called the LED display I'm referring to as an AMOLED display. And of course (as you have apparently just found out) AMOLED stands for Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode. A type of OLED. How can you possibly be confused with that......................Unless of course, you are so consumed with hatred for Samsung that you didn't even bother to read the posts you were trying to slag off.

[muratremix]

Unbeliveable...

"You stated that, in mobile phones, LED displays are LCD displays with LED backlighting. THAT IS WRONG!!!

AMOLED is a true LED display that uses different technology from LCD displays and doesn't either have or require a backlight.

That is all I (and others here) have said and that is a FACT."

Led display means LCD with Led backlight, just like all IPS and TFT panels on Phones. I never claimed Amoled uses backlight, I even explained why Amoled is bad due to different wearing of sub pixel leds of red green and blue.

It is obvious you can't understand new technology (you got bad nand flash? bad sectors?) and you stil keep trying to beat me while you are getting ridiculing yourself.

"Will you now admit you were wrong...............just say it, AMOLED displays do not require a back light??????????????????"

I never said they do require, keep reading my posts regarding amoled / oled weakness.

You are the one claiming Amoled is superior technology, you should prove it.

Edit: I put your quotes in quotation marks.

In post 21 you said LED was not a display but just lighting behind an LCD panel.

I merely pointed out you were wrong, AMOLED was an LED display and didn't require any backlighting.

In post 32 you said the only difference between LED and LCD was the type of back lighting used (CFL v LED).

Again I merely pointed out you were wrong. AMOLED is a true LED display and doesn't have or need any form of back lighting.

You were just comparing the different types of back lighting an LCD panel can use, not the totally different ways LED and LCD displays produce the picture.

I was just correcting your inaccurate statements for the benefit of readers who don't have a technical/electronic background.

If you go back through all my posts you will see that I have never commented on the quality or otherwise of LCD displays, AMOLED, Samsung or Apple/i-phone. All I have said on that score is in post 17 when I said "As for me I chose an IQX2, not because I thought it was anywhere near the best, but because it contains (more than) all the features I want and, for me, it offered them at a price that suited. Simple as that. I'm not interested in saying I've got the best phone. I'm more interested in saying I got value for money and all the features I need".

If you can find a post where I have praised any of these please refer to the post number.

It seems somebody mixing OLED and LED here, probably due to aging cells in management.

I'll say no more, if they stop their non-sense (yes shurup and sumrit)

What a pathetic attempt at a get out by somebody who now clearly knows he is wrong.

OLED is an LED. FACT. There is nothing to confuse. OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode. It is impossible to confuse it with an LED because it is an LED.

From my very first post on the subject i have clearly called the LED display I'm referring to as an AMOLED display. And of course (as you have apparently just found out) AMOLED stands for Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode. A type of OLED. How can you possibly be confused with that......................Unless of course, you are so consumed with hatred for Samsung that you didn't even bother to read the posts you were trying to slag off.

I wonder how your wife tolerate your attitude? That is, if you have one.

There is no LED display, LED and OLED is totally different things, you should know that if you are retired electronic whatever you are.

You still insist Amoled is Led display, it is a form of Oled display not LED.

LED tvs made of led backlight LCD panels, led lcds used in phones made by led backlighting + IPS (or igzo) panels.

Prove me wrong or shut up grumpy.

[muratremix]

What a pathetic attempt at a get out by somebody who now clearly knows he is wrong.

OLED is an LED. FACT. There is nothing to confuse. OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode. It is impossible to confuse it with an LED because it is an LED.

From my very first post on the subject i have clearly called the LED display I'm referring to as an AMOLED display. And of course (as you have apparently just found out) AMOLED stands for Active Matrix Organic Light Emitting Diode. A type of OLED. How can you possibly be confused with that......................Unless of course, you are so consumed with hatred for Samsung that you didn't even bother to read the posts you were trying to slag off.

http://www.oled-info.com/introduction

What is an OLED?

OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diodes) is a flat light emitting technology, made by placing a series of organic thin films between two conductors. When electrical current is applied, a bright light is emitted. OLEDs can be used to make displays and lighting. Because OLEDs emit light they do not require a backlight and so are thinner and more efficient than LCD displays(which do require a white backlight).

So oled is not LED

Here is proof:

http://www.oled-info.com/itri-6-flexible-color-amoled-photo

If you dare to copy paste advantages of oled from this website I gave you, don't worry I have more to say regarding disadvantages.

Now shut up and I'll stop. You made me copy paste from a website, just like you, don't make me copy paste ever again.

[sumrit]

I wonder how your wife tolerate your attitude? That is, if you have one.

There is no LED display, LED and OLED is totally different things, you should know that if you are retired electronic whatever you are.

You still insist Amoled is Led display, it is a form of Oled display not LED.

LED tvs made of led backlight LCD panels, led lcds used in phones made by led backlighting + IPS (or igzo) panels.

Prove me wrong or shut up grumpy.

The proof, believe it or not, is in the wording itself.

Oganic Light Emitting Diode. regardless of the material it's produced from it's still an LED............. Basically a diode with light emitting properties.

As a history lesson for you, over the years diodes have been made from various substances and constructed in many different ways and forms, As long as they have diode properties they are diodes, whether they be made from glass( valve), germanium, silicon, selinium (to name the most common four) or any other substance.

An LED is a diode that has light emitting properties, regardless of what substance it's made of, or how that substance is doped to provide the particular properties the manufacturer requires.

Now, give everybody a break, go away and don't come back until you have learnt, and understood, even the basics of Electronic theory.

Edited March 1, 2014 by sumrit

[muratremix]

I wonder how your wife tolerate your attitude? That is, if you have one.

There is no LED display, LED and OLED is totally different things, you should know that if you are retired electronic whatever you are.

You still insist Amoled is Led display, it is a form of Oled display not LED.

LED tvs made of led backlight LCD panels, led lcds used in phones made by led backlighting + IPS (or igzo) panels.

Prove me wrong or shut up grumpy.

The proof, believe it or not, is in the wording itself.

Oganic Light Emitting Diode. regardless of the material it's produced from it's still an LED............. Basically a diode with light emitting properties.

As a history lesson for you, over the years diodes have been made from various substances and constructed in many different ways and forms, As long as they have diode properties they are diodes, whether they be made from glass( valve), germanium, silicon, selinium (to name the most common four) or any other substance.

An LED is a diode that has light emitting properties, regardless of what substance it's made of, or how that substance is doped to provide the particular properties the manufacturer requires.

Now, give everybody a break, go away and don't come back until you have learnt, and understood, even the basics of Electronic theory.

OLED is not LED Display, period. You confused it and yet you still try to prove a point where you can not because OLED != LED Display. What industry calls led display is led backlight + lcd panel which is same for mobile devices.

Nobody calls Amoled or Oled as LED display, period.

[craigt3365]

Come on guys, play fair. A bunch of rude and off topic posts have been removed from view.

[petedk]

With the new Samsung Gear Fit they seem to have grasped the right concept.

[proovms]

This thread is full of misinformation.

I think this phone looks good, I think I'll be buying one when they come out. Another great phone worth looking at is the Oppo, but I feel the screen would be too big.

[61guitarman61]

Good Lord!

I thought I might find some useful, rational info from this thread. What a bunch of ego maniacal narcissistic crap on here. I thought the land of smiles was supposed to mellow folks out, but it seems to have the opposite effect. Fighting about phones? LOL And then fighting about who is most technologically knowledgeable. More like a schoolyard pissing match.

The OP was brand name based. My question, (and please knock off the infantile BS in any answers), is about clones. Can you get a decent, competitively operational, dependable clone of either iPhone or Galaxy? I have looked at some online here and the specs seem reasonable. Does anyone have first hand experience with any of these? Same question, but pertaining to iMobile phones. IQ series. I ask because both Apple and Samsung flagships are way overpriced. I don't care if I drive a Ford as long as it runs well and gets me where I'm going.

Thanks.

[robblok]

With the new Samsung Gear Fit they seem to have grasped the right concept.

Yes it does.. every time samsung seems to beat apple. I made the switch long ago from apple to Samsung, so much more freedom much better.

I love the S5 with its fingerprint sensor and even the heartrate can be useful for people who like to workout like me.

[Shurup]

Good Lord!

I thought I might find some useful, rational info from this thread. What a bunch of ego maniacal narcissistic crap on here. I thought the land of smiles was supposed to mellow folks out, but it seems to have the opposite effect. Fighting about phones? LOL And then fighting about who is most technologically knowledgeable. More like a schoolyard pissing match.

The OP was brand name based. My question, (and please knock off the infantile BS in any answers), is about clones. Can you get a decent, competitively operational, dependable clone of either iPhone or Galaxy? I have looked at some online here and the specs seem reasonable. Does anyone have first hand experience with any of these? Same question, but pertaining to iMobile phones. IQ series. I ask because both Apple and Samsung flagships are way overpriced. I don't care if I drive a Ford as long as it runs well and gets me where I'm going.

Thanks.

Don't bother with clones, get yourself one of the lower brands like IQ or Lenovo, or whatever... What's the point of getting a clone if it just looks like a brand name device but preforms like shit?