Protest leader Suthep rejects involvement in civil war

[chainarong]

The idea of a civil war is a totally different scenario to a protest on the streets of old BKK, it turns into a them and us with well fitted out firepower, others would make sure that CIC General Prayuth, has been given the move orders long before those that love Thailand, see it turn into a basket case.

Edited March 3, 2014 by chainarong

[Scamper]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Scamper

[rubl]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

That's not a fair assessment. The reality is that the democrats have boycotted and tried to bully people into not taking part of the election, because they realize they could not win it. They are instead trying to overthrow the government after they lost yet another election. This has been going on repeatedly since the coup. Election held, democrats lose, they look for a way to get back into power. That is exactly what is happening again and has been for months now. Let's not forget Suthep was telling people to kidnap the prime minister a month ago. He is very much a radical, and the idea that his minority should be able to overthrow the majority through creating anarchy very much showcases that.

The hardline reds aren't any better. I won't condone some of their chatter either. The truth is though that most of the country isn't buying into either extreme. But you have this escalation because:

- The democrats want power, but the only way for them to obtain it is by taking it without an election. So they sight corruption, when the corruption clearly exists on both sides. This was a mistake I made when I came here, I saw how corrupt Thaksin was and wanted him out. Over the years I've come to realize they are just as corrupt on both sides. The democrats focus on corruption, and on no more Shinawatras in power isn't really about those issues at all. It's about finding a way to remove them from power so that they can regain it. Of course they don't want any more of Thaksin's family running because they will win even if they lack experience (see Yingluck). The reality though is that is a democracy. The majority rules, and the majority prefers his party.

- The democrats have done everything in their power to be undemocratic. From the unelected council idea, to the knowledge of how they last got into power, refusal to run, and the blocking of voting booths. If anything has led the country towards civil war it is that. How can you honestly say the reds have taken them there? They are elected. They want to continue the democratic process which is to give people a vote. How is that telling people what they can and can't do? And how is blocking voting booths and trying to insert your own people into power enforcing the will of the power?

- The hardline reds are now reacting to what is happening here and doing it in a very wrong manner. They aren't helping matters at all and are making them worse. But they are reacting to what has already happened. I don't at all condone it but your blaming the reactor rather than the instigator.

It's is a democratic right to decide to join an election as political party or as protest boycott by not registering. The Democrat party also didn't bully people, that was a few hotheads in the PDRC it would seem.

Now the rest is about wanting power, being undemocratic and blaming the Democrat party. Well, only five months ago that the undemocratic government it's the Pheu Thai party tried to push through an undemocratic blanket amnesty bill covering all of a sudden even the two last years of Thaksin's in/out of office and Ms. Yingluck's two years of 'governing'.

It would seem that the hard line reds have managed to forget the their darlings government wanted that blanket amnesty which would also absolve those guilty of the 2010 deaths. Not important it would seem as long as the Pheu Thai party can 'respect votes' till they're counted to only forget about the electorate after.

So anti-government protests, now if there is anything which is surely aimed at provoking red-shirts than that must be it

[Thai at Heart]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

They aren't trying to stop corruption. They are trying to stop the shinwatras corruption.

It's like health insurance. Pre existing corruption isnt covered.

[ikke]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

They aren't trying to stop corruption. They are trying to stop the shinwatras corruption.

It's like health insurance. Pre existing corruption isnt covered.

Right, and if you want to cover it, the price is very high !

[ManofReason]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

All the talk about secession is just a muscle flexing threat display, very common in nature, it's a way of showing an opponent of what they're up against without actually having to engage in a costly fight. The Reds are saying stop all this bullsh*t or we'll come down there and kick your ass. If you continue on with this crap, wrecking the international reputation of the nation and destroying the economy as well as the rule of law by refusing to accept the outcome of elections you will end up destroying the country, so we'll give you a preview of where it all leads if you continue on - a nation broken in two.

[TVGerry]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

All the talk about secession is just a muscle flexing threat display, very common in nature, it's a way of showing an opponent of what they're up against without actually having to engage in a costly fight. The Reds are saying stop all this bullsh*t or we'll come down there and kick your ass. If you continue on with this crap, wrecking the international reputation of the nation and destroying the economy as well as the rule of law by refusing to accept the outcome of elections you will end up destroying the country, so we'll give you a preview of where it all leads if you continue on - a nation broken in two.

That's a niiiiiiice spin on things!

[ManofReason]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

All the talk about secession is just a muscle flexing threat display, very common in nature, it's a way of showing an opponent of what they're up against without actually having to engage in a costly fight. The Reds are saying stop all this bullsh*t or we'll come down there and kick your ass. If you continue on with this crap, wrecking the international reputation of the nation and destroying the economy as well as the rule of law by refusing to accept the outcome of elections you will end up destroying the country, so we'll give you a preview of where it all leads if you continue on - a nation broken in two.

That's a niiiiiiice spin on things!

Thanks, nice to have your full agreement - lets call this your first step on the way to becoming a true Man of Reason. Congratulations

[Fat Haggis]

it’s possible she may assign civilian forces to start a civil war. If that is the case, I will simply tell people to return home. It’s the duties of the military and police to suppress rebels

he believes she may "assign civilian forces" ?

a trip to the psychiatrist is called for poor fellow

Why do you think Suthep is ordering protesters to go home?.... To remove them from being a target of the red's attack and to keep them from being mistakenly seen by the army as red attackers... meaning that the only mobs on the street will be red shirts, a much easier job for the army to control under martial law.

Suthep is not stupid, he know exactly what is happening now and what is going to happen.

Did he order them to go home? I thought he's ordered them to consolidate at Lumpini ??

I think you underestimate any sort of plans for the reds to attack Bangkok as you have eluded to, they're not going to march down the street 4 abreast goose stepping as they go, considering they've been lobbing M79 grenades and have eluded capture they will if anything use tactics akin to insurgents.

One thing you've not mentioned or thought to mention is the Role of the Police, an Armed organisation, who many have intimated have shown loyalty to Thaksin.

So you'll have Police Officers and Red shirts to deal with in your little scenario.

Throw in the fact that there's still an Islamic insurgency already ongoing in the South, more problems for the Army to wade through, then you have to ask about the willingness of these Soldiers to start firing on their own countrymen, red/white/yellow etc.

Civil war?? Possibly, Military Coup.. looking more likely, a well and trully pissed of population ...definately!

[TVGerry]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

All the talk about secession is just a muscle flexing threat display, very common in nature, it's a way of showing an opponent of what they're up against without actually having to engage in a costly fight. The Reds are saying stop all this bullsh*t or we'll come down there and kick your ass. If you continue on with this crap, wrecking the international reputation of the nation and destroying the economy as well as the rule of law by refusing to accept the outcome of elections you will end up destroying the country, so we'll give you a preview of where it all leads if you continue on - a nation broken in two.

That's a niiiiiiice spin on things!

Thanks, nice to have your full agreement - lets call this your first step on the way to becoming a true Man of Reason. Congratulations

You're welcome. I'm glad we're on full agreement that you're spinning things.

[antimedia]

Lets hope that when the Shinawatras and Cohorts are void of politics and locked up or out of the country, the new reformed government will give the authorities a mandate to flush out all the red ragged farangs making threats and unfounded accusations on this and other forums and kick them out of the country never to return. Mind you most of the bars would be hurting.

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A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

One wants a better Thailand for everyone(with no elections and leaders put in place by him and his friends) while the other wants the country(to hold elections in line with the democratic process) to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

Excuse me, but starting a civil war to please their supreme leader Thaksin so that he and his cronies can continue rape the country doesn't seem to me a democratic process. You and your red shirt buddies should read up some on democracy, because you clearly have no clue what democracy means....

Dear Mr. Beerbelly, who would be responsible for starting a civil war? Surely it would be the people who propose to remove the elected government, install 'good' people and maybe, at some time not yet disclosed, hold elections again once the rules have been changed to allow the dems to win?

[Mentors]

The Army and politicians are not able to solve the unrests in the Deep South over decades. So how they could handle a civil?

[JoeThePoster]

Protest leader Suthep rejects involvement in civil war

I hope they can still give him a medal though.

[wolf5370]

The Army and politicians are not able to solve the unrests in the Deep South over decades. So how they could handle a civil?

They are completely different. In the south the insurgents both retreat back over the border and are mingled in with the normal non-violent Thai citizens. They are terrorists and act like terrorist, laying traps (IADs/bombs/etc) and attacking single targets and then disappearing again. A lot harder to win a guerrilla type war. A civil war would be groups of armed people on the streets - easy to see the enemy, easy to dispatch the enemy when you have them out gunned and are using trained troops against mobs. It would be a bloodbath and lets hope we never get to see it (in that it never happens )

[Thai at Heart]

The Army and politicians are not able to solve the unrests in the Deep South over decades. So how they could handle a civil?

They are completely different. In the south the insurgents both retreat back over the border and are mingled in with the normal non-violent Thai citizens. They are terrorists and act like terrorist, laying traps (IADs/bombs/etc) and attacking single targets and then disappearing again. A lot harder to win a guerrilla type war. A civil war would be groups of armed people on the streets - easy to see the enemy, easy to dispatch the enemy when you have them out gunned and are using trained troops against mobs. It would be a bloodbath and lets hope we never get to see it (in that it never happens )

You think that the reds would just stand in the streets and let themselves get run over by APC's.

There might be an initial confrontation, and then after that, it would be guerilla stuff. There are an awful lot of angry frustrated anti-army people around in the villages after their so called anti-communist activities in the 70s.

[Dogmatix]

“If she rejects both options, it’s possible she may assign civilian forces to start a civil war. If that is the case, I will simply tell people to return home. It’s the duties of the military and police to suppress rebels,” he said.

It is getting quite close to the point that the NACC will decided whether to indict her or not. If they do decide to indict her and she refuses to recognise their authority under the constitution and tries to continue as prime minister, she will be defying the constitution and in rebellion against the crown. Thaksin may well send his red buffaloes to fight to defend her honour, so called democracy or some such. Then it would be a job for the army.

Well connected Lao people are talking regular shipments of arms and ammunition going across the Friendship Bridge into Udon.

The army puts in a weak performance against the Malay separatists in the South and a guerilla war would be tough but they have certain disadvantages in the
South that would not apply in the rest of the country. Although there are dialect differences in the North and Northeast, they are dialects of the same language group and not mutually unintellligible like Malay and Thai. There is no religious division which is a very big difference. The Southern separatists are oganised into very small cells so that no one has much information to give away, if captured and tortured, and no one knows who their leaders are. They are supported by virtually the entire local population and they are ideological terrorists not in it for the money. The red shirts are not organised at this point into very small cells and everyone knows who their leaders are. The leaders and the militants are motivated mainly by money, so they could easily sell out and their money weapons trails would be traceable.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Dogmatix

[Fat Haggis]

The Army and politicians are not able to solve the unrests in the Deep South over decades. So how they could handle a civil?

They are completely different. In the south the insurgents both retreat back over the border and are mingled in with the normal non-violent Thai citizens. They are terrorists and act like terrorist, laying traps (IADs/bombs/etc) and attacking single targets and then disappearing again. A lot harder to win a guerrilla type war. A civil war would be groups of armed people on the streets - easy to see the enemy, easy to dispatch the enemy when you have them out gunned and are using trained troops against mobs. It would be a bloodbath and lets hope we never get to see it (in that it never happens )

You mean the exact same way the Attackers have been doing in Bangkok? As in carrying out their attacks and dissapearing ?

I somehow can't see the reds attacking like a conventional Army, they wouldn't they wouldn't be roaming the streets in groups either, they'll opt for low key attacks, they also need to have objectives as well, you may have a few who are dumb as to stand out, but they'll use guerilla tactics.

Doesn't matter how well trained you are or how much firepower you have at your disposal, it doesn't always make you the winner.

The Coalition had everything in Iraq, they had all the hi tec gadgets you could imagine against dish dash, flip flop wearing AK wielding insurgents, who brought the country to the brink of civil war, they certainly didn't lose, and the Americans or the British did not win, the violence is still there, and in February alone there was over 700 deaths related to terrorism alone, 700!!!! Same in January, as many as 750!!

I hope you're right that it never amounts to anything and that bloodshed can be avoided, but there's so much rhetoric and sabre rattling going on, it's almost as if some parties are actively seeking conflict!!

[Crushdepth]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

They aren't trying to stop corruption. They are trying to stop the shinwatras corruption.

It's like health insurance. Pre existing corruption isnt covered.

It would still be an improvement though.

[ramrod711]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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Suthep is certainly deluded if he expects Yingluck or anyone else in this crooked government to do the right thing for the country and step down. Thaksin can't spell lose, and Yingluck can't spell integrity.

[citizen33]

Right back to 2006 and before, the usual suspects have maintained that the red supporters were only motivated by bribes, and would meekly return to their old deferential ways once the Democrats were in power and the flow of money from Thaksin dried up. Some of us suggested that this was a misguided view, that the genie of political awareness was out of the bottle, and that rural people would respond very negatively if their elected government was again overturned. I fear that we may soon see who is right.

[gabruce]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

It is not that the reds not get what they want, it is what several times the yellows want to take from them and from the majority.

Suthep is cancer for this country, He is out on power, but let the people believe he is not.

I case a civil war starts, the only one responsible is Suthep.

If he wants reforms, they should have a good political plan and get elected.

But, that is just the problem with this man, he and his yellows want power without elections, because they can never win any election as they don't have the brains for it.

I'd say that you are wrong about every single point you make. Congrats.

[JoeThePoster]

I'd say the first requirement to be involved in a successful civil war would be having an army of men with reasonable discipline rather than just an enlistment of drugged apes.

[Fat Haggis]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

It is not that the reds not get what they want, it is what several times the yellows want to take from them and from the majority.

Suthep is cancer for this country, He is out on power, but let the people believe he is not.

I case a civil war starts, the only one responsible is Suthep.

If he wants reforms, they should have a good political plan and get elected.

But, that is just the problem with this man, he and his yellows want power without elections, because they can never win any election as they don't have the brains for it.

I'd say that you are wrong about every single point you make. Congrats.

Even the point about reforms, and having a good political plan and be elected??

Seems fair enough, let the entire Population speak for itself, there's a hell of a lot more than 6 million people wanting answers and change, let them speak, let them chose, and if they chose wrong, they can only blame themselves if it all goes pear shaped!!

[ManofReason]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

It is not that the reds not get what they want, it is what several times the yellows want to take from them and from the majority.

Suthep is cancer for this country, He is out on power, but let the people believe he is not.

I case a civil war starts, the only one responsible is Suthep.

If he wants reforms, they should have a good political plan and get elected.

But, that is just the problem with this man, he and his yellows want power without elections, because they can never win any election as they don't have the brains for it.

I'd say that you are wrong about every single point you make. Congrats.

This is the best post I've ever read, even though I agree with Ikkes' sentiments and think he is right about every single point.

[kikoman]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

It is not that the reds not get what they want, it is what several times the yellows want to take from them and from the majority.

Suthep is cancer for this country, He is out on power, but let the people believe he is not.

I case a civil war starts, the only one responsible is Suthep.

If he wants reforms, they should have a good political plan and get elected.

But, that is just the problem with this man, he and his yellows want power without elections, because they can never win any election as they don't have the brains for it.

Yeah it's Suthep's fault the reds want to secede and form their own republic. It's Suthep's fault the reds want to raise a 600,000 strong army. It's so typical of red apologists to blame everyone for something when they're the ones pulling the crap.

Yes it is Suthep fault, the Democrat could have put up a better fight in the House, they would not have lost so much of what little credibility they had, now it will be another 40 years of not winning another election!

Those idiots do not know how to win an election, so they try to form a appointed counsel dictatorship they were not any more successful with that! Now lets start a revolution, while he was on stage daring the Red shirts to come face his popcorn warriors, the ammart pull the rug from under him.

Now he is trying to save face by saying the move should not be seen as a retreat? 5555, right, it was like a full scale bug out, each yellow for himself.

He did not have a choice, the Ammart will stop paying him.

Cheers

[HUAHIN62]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

If you believe that you must sleep well at night.

[Estrada]

A case of creeping delusion on Suthep's part. If he wasn't such a thug with blood on his hands you'd almost feel sorry for him.

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actually he is showing a lot of sense, the protesters are trying to end the corruption and do not want to take the country into anarchy but the reds on the other hand are threatening war if they do not get what they want, this is the difference between the two groups. One wants a better Thailand for everyone while the other wants the country to do as they say when they say it and have the "reds" tell everyone what they can and cant do.

They aren't trying to stop corruption. They are trying to stop the shinwatras corruption.

It's like health insurance. Pre existing corruption isnt covered.

At last someone who actually remembers corruption before Thaksin. Funny how no one seems to remember that the so called anti-corruption Whistle Blower that blew the whistle on Potjaman in the Emporium were from the Srivakorn family who founded jointly founded Finance One which had a B50 Billion Baht bail out from tax payer's money even though their finance/investment company was bankrupt and still trading. The B50 Billion was to cover money pulled out by rich families who were forewarned of the dodgy state of the company, whilst at the same time the ordinary investors were encouraged to plough more money into their company. Finance one caused the collapse of the Baht and the Asian Crisis. Pin Chakapak, Korn's Uncle fled to the UK so no one in Finance one was ever prosecuted successfully. Pin returned last year after the statute of limitations ran out. Then there was the B170 Billion of public money ploughed in to Bangkok Bank of Commerce. The Salween logging Scandal, and the Ministry of Health Scandal, and so on and on and on.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Estrada

[Baerboxer]

The UDD has emerged the biggest threat to CMPO - though they don't realize it yet. By advocating secession, going after the independent agencies and the Civil Court, they are putting both the CMPO and the Yingluck administration in a terrible place, and also increase the possibility of army involvement if things get out of control.

All the talk about secession is just a muscle flexing threat display, very common in nature, it's a way of showing an opponent of what they're up against without actually having to engage in a costly fight. The Reds are saying stop all this bullsh*t or we'll come down there and kick your ass. If you continue on with this crap, wrecking the international reputation of the nation and destroying the economy as well as the rule of law by refusing to accept the outcome of elections you will end up destroying the country, so we'll give you a preview of where it all leads if you continue on - a nation broken in two.

Remind us again - who refuses to accept court decisions and act illegally?

The rule of law doesn't mean the ones you make up and only apply to everyone else.

Threatening to kick ass very respectful of the rule of law. Clapping and cheering murders including children very respectful of the rule of law. Inciting treason and criminal acts very respectful of the rule of law.

Time this bunch of brigands were deal with. You can be elected but loose that legitimacy once you operate outside the law.

[TVGerry]

Yeah it's Suthep's fault the reds want to secede and form their own republic. It's Suthep's fault the reds want to raise a 600,000 strong army. It's so typical of red apologists to blame everyone for something when they're the ones pulling the crap.

Yes it is Suthep fault, the Democrat could have put up a better fight in the House, they would not have lost so much of what little credibility they had, now it will be another 40 years of not winning another election!

Those idiots do not know how to win an election, so they try to form a appointed counsel dictatorship they were not any more successful with that! Now lets start a revolution, while he was on stage daring the Red shirts to come face his popcorn warriors, the ammart pull the rug from under him.

Now he is trying to save face by saying the move should not be seen as a retreat? 5555, right, it was like a full scale bug out, each yellow for himself.

He did not have a choice, the Ammart will stop paying him.

Cheers

So the Dems not being able to win an election is the reason the reds want to secede and form a republic! LOL the red apologists and spin doctors are getting more valiant in their efforts to defend the red shortcomings! Not better but definitely more valiant!