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In Thailand, democracy is just a fig leaf for kleptocracy


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Klong Dam project, Hopewell fiasco, Klong Chan Credit Union fraud, and so on.

Routine traffic law 'violation' fines, paying off military personnel to avoid conscription, under the table payments, so your child can get into school, and so on.

Enforce the law, put those responsible in prison, sequester their assets, and so on.

Another laudable but going nowhere article from the Nation, and so on.

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

And the proof is here:

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/192/1037/594125/

perhaps Ms Pornpimol has learnt that in a developed democracy corruption is by stealth.

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The author states that an election before reform is not the answer. But who will establish the reform configuration and policy? The "candidates" for election should clearly articulate their reform criteria. And not just typical Thai bluster and hedging. Specific issues and steps to bring about change. Then the candidates run for election based on their reform policy. The author puts the cart before the horse. However she accurately describes Thailand as a kleptocracy and paints an accurate roadmap of a failed state and further chaos.

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

With that kind of experience she knows exactly what it is.

Nice to hear from an expert with experiance on the subject not just some dirt poor farmer.

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A very depressing start to the day reading this article, mainly because it is 100% correct. The integrity of the author is not what is important here, it is what has been said. Let's not just simply shoot the messenger. Corruption is a cancer in this country especially within the education ministry. That a country spends so much on education and gets so little is a disgrace. It is endemic, systemic and ultimately is crippling the development of Thailand. Cynics might suggest that the people at the top have a vested interest in keeping the education system the way it is. They might be right but personally I believe it is simply that it is such an attractive cash cow for the parasites that they cannot resist. Either way it results in the same thing. If the AEC results in increased labour mobility across the region the Thais will be huge losers.

The only timer the messenger gets shot is when they are right.

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The author states that an election before reform is not the answer. But who will establish the reform configuration and policy? The "candidates" for election should clearly articulate their reform criteria. And not just typical Thai bluster and hedging. Specific issues and steps to bring about change. Then the candidates run for election based on their reform policy. The author puts the cart before the horse. However she accurately describes Thailand as a kleptocracy and paints an accurate roadmap of a failed state and further chaos.

Are you new to politics?

Candidates are always saying things they have no intention of carrying out. Time to put the much needed reform in front of the cart not behind a horse wearing blinders.

Stick around and you will get the hang of it.

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The author states that an election before reform is not the answer. But who will establish the reform configuration and policy? The "candidates" for election should clearly articulate their reform criteria. And not just typical Thai bluster and hedging. Specific issues and steps to bring about change. Then the candidates run for election based on their reform policy. The author puts the cart before the horse. However she accurately describes Thailand as a kleptocracy and paints an accurate roadmap of a failed state and further chaos.

Are you new to politics?

Candidates are always saying things they have no intention of carrying out. Time to put the much needed reform in front of the cart not behind a horse wearing blinders.

Stick around and you will get the hang of it.

Lies, damned lies, and election promises.

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Show me a government that is not a den of thieves and liars. The West has fallen asleep and let democratic principles of justice and freedom be stolen by psychopathic corporations. Here is an interesting article on countries that have reached a far more intransigent stalemate than Thailand: http://rt.com/op-edge/democracy-on-retreat-europe-ukraine-608/ ... all of them in Europe.

The difference between Europe and Thailand is that Thailand has never had a functioning democracy; they seem to have gone from feudalism to neo-feudalism with a democratic mask.

Democracy is dead, long live the democratic charade.

If reform is the way forward then it must start at the very top, with the judges (and backed up by the police). Politicians are not going to reform themselves - it is rather like expecting beggars to morph into philanthropists.

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

Maybe so...

Still true, everything she said

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So, we who are well-read are aware of the profound depths of corruption endemic to Thai politics. When will the voters in Issan figure it out. Or maybe they've also known, but for them corruption is no big deal. Perhaps for them, being very rich (and making promises to make others rich) is what matters most. Making reforms in how poor Issan farmers think is as important as any other reforms.

Corruption is culturally embedded in the Thai psyche. It's similar to the concept of not being able to see anything wrong with buying pirated goods. How to change deep-set concepts in how people think? I don't know.

I think, if there are going to be 'reforms' that stick (at all) they'll have to come down the tubes from those who are elected to do such things. Currently, it's Shinawatre lovers who are winning elections. If reforms don't happen with them, then.... let's hope future elections will bring in (at least) a half-decent bunch of leaders who can implement some improvements.

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

Maybe so...

Still true, everything she said

This article is going to change what? If you live in Thailand long enough you just get cynical and apathetic about politics,imagine what a Thai feels like. Every street sweeper,every farmer,every brick layer knows whats going on,they don't need to be told. Where is a Thai Oliver Cromwell when you need him,someone who can walk into parliament and say "Be gone,there is no good in you". Thailand has never had democracy so they wouldn't miss it,its the wrong system for many countries in Asia.

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This article is going to change what? If you live in Thailand long enough you just get cynical and apathetic about politics,imagine what a Thai feels like. Every street sweeper,every farmer,every brick layer knows whats going on,they don't need to be told. Thailand has never had democracy so they wouldn't miss it,its the wrong system for many countries in Asia.

so very true... but what's even more cynical is that every time i try to discuss this with people (all affected by this crap) they still feel the need to DEFEND their country... with thanx to their childhood education brainwashing...

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Here we Go!

The Nation has its nose in a snit because they were unable to overthrow the democraitcally electednt and replace it with "Unelected Councils". They keep trying to sele the story that they actually care about corruption and honesty in goverment.

They only car about getting rid of a rival and then back to "Corruption as Normal" biggrin.png

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Show me a government that is not a den of thieves and liars. The West has fallen asleep and let democratic principles of justice and freedom be stolen by psychopathic corporations. Here is an interesting article on countries that have reached a far more intransigent stalemate than Thailand: http://rt.com/op-edge/democracy-on-retreat-europe-ukraine-608/ ... all of them in Europe.

The difference between Europe and Thailand is that Thailand has never had a functioning democracy; they seem to have gone from feudalism to neo-feudalism with a democratic mask.

Democracy is dead, long live the democratic charade.

If reform is the way forward then it must start at the very top, with the judges (and backed up by the police). Politicians are not going to reform themselves - it is rather like expecting beggars to morph into philanthropists.

" Politicians are not going to reform themselves - it is rather like expecting beggars to morph into philanthropists."

and it is not going to happen your way either

"If reform is the way forward then it must start at the very top, with the judges (and backed up by the police)."

Reform must start with non Partisan people from all walks of life. All willing to put the welfare of Thailand first.

Where to find them will take a little time but they are out there. I said non partisan people but I do believe there are members of all parties who if able to climb out from under the yoke of their leadership would be glad to put there beliefs aside if there was a better one. Not a lot but some. No I do not know who they are. But I do know some who defiantly would not qualify.

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

If that is true does it really make any difference to the points raised?

Of course who will stop the next lot of traitors when they tAke office assuming the corruption continues?

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This writer was convicted of election campaign irregularities in the USA representing the laundering and funneling of more than 700k dollars into the Democratic Party fund raising on behalf of CP group and others she "insisted" on bringing to the luncheons...she should know from first hand knowledge about corruption and how deeply rooted it is... and she should look in the mirror before she opens her mouth...

And the proof is here:

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/192/1037/594125/

perhaps Ms Pornpimol has learnt that in a developed democracy corruption is by stealth.

Read it.

They were acquitted as the case was dismissed.

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