Hardcore redshirt leader Kotee ready to fight eye for eye, tooth for tooth

[rametindallas]

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

Here is proof of my earlier post. 'Let this be a lesson to all. Too much Thaksin KoolAid will make you craaaazee. !

[ThailandNoob]

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

And yet, I agree 100%. Interesting that as you accuse one side of bias or discrimination you feel it necessary to smear another group completely unrelated to the current discussion. True, the Red Shirts are much like tea party activists, struggling against the oppression of unelected elites, but Fox News has never seemed particularly sympathetic to the tea party. The yellows are most similar to fascists, and fascism is the right wing of the socialist movement (communism-socialism-fascism), so you would think that most Fox viewers, who tend to be anti-socialist, would support reds over yellows.

What codswallop

How are any if the people of Thailand disadvantaged by anything the anti-government protests have done?

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I'd say not being able to vote is a pretty big disadvantage.

[mrtoad]

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

Thanks for the laugh. I thought it was a serious post at first, but then noted it was posted after 11pm at night, so I guess a few too many Changs?

Or are you a supporter of violence?

[kikoman]

He has just as much right to express his opinion as the yellows have, the army best not disrupt the country more than it is already polarized,

Cheers

[aimbc]

I wouldn't doubt that this guy is going to be the poster child for the first person to be sentenced to prison. This is overstepping the boundary of the nation. It's not a statement you would want to challenge the Military about. The military has been cordial with the govt. so far. So I don't think the govt. would want to compromise their relationship with the military. Because if he is not arrested, it will set precedence for radical groups to act. Like all those other spineless groups that posted up the banners. Kotee, show a bit...sorry...no a lot of ignorance, by do such at thing. I don't think Thaksin will defend this wacko. TS just needed Kotee to get other people worked up and sacrifice their lives mindlessly for him.

[Cnxforever]

first I thought he is a nutcase - but I see now the man is an idealist - one of the very few in this country who is not afraid to speak his mind!

My respect he is not afraid to stand up to the "army chief" - who -like his predecessors runs a private army payed for by tax money - to protect the rich and powerful in this country.

Thailand needs more people like Kotee - without the need to resort to violence of course.

With kowtowing to the army all the time this country will never change - how ever powerful the rich arrogant elite thinks it is - the Thai people own this country and nobody else.

And I absolutely agree with him when he says:

"He challenged the army chief saying what he was doing to pursue legal action against people placing banners on the streets an idiot act and he would never yield to such biased practice."

While the PDRC is trying to overthrow an elected government - obstructs elections with intimidation - and the army does nothing - but wants to get tough on a guy who puts up a banner - asking those who love democracy to join him - and those who like dictatorship to move in with Suthep down south!

The army chief seems to have a weird understanding of the law!!??

Thailand does not need an army which gets involved in politics - because that's what they do all the time.

Thailand needs a judiciary free of interference answering to nobody "influential" and only then the country can move forward. The country does certainly not need an army chief threatening a man with a lawsuit for putting up a banner while it protects people who break the law almost daily!

What the army chief has achieved with this action is a thousand times more damaging to unity in this country than a man who puts up a banner which hardly anybody read in the first place. The army chief has just widened the gap of division further with his action!

Is the Thai army afraid of one man putting up a banner? - but tolerates a mob in the streets of Bangkok who try to overthrow an elected government since several month now?

If so I can understand that many Thais are entertaining the thought of secession!

Edited March 9, 2014 by Cnxforever

[JRSoul]

Ko Tee without the violence would be like a fart without the smell - just hot air and noise.

[ianf]

He has just as much right to express his opinion as the yellows have, the army best not disrupt the country more than it is already polarized,

Cheers

But smetimes, Kikoman, some views posted here are reprehensible. It's not about opinion - it's about facts.

[Crushdepth]

They should interview this loon twice a day at least.

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He'd be a good candidate for reality TV.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

And yet, I agree 100%. Interesting that as you accuse one side of bias or discrimination you feel it necessary to smear another group completely unrelated to the current discussion. True, the Red Shirts are much like tea party activists, struggling against the oppression of unelected elites, but Fox News has never seemed particularly sympathetic to the tea party. The yellows are most similar to fascists, and fascism is the right wing of the socialist movement (communism-socialism-fascism), so you would think that most Fox viewers, who tend to be anti-socialist, would support reds over yellows.

What codswallop

How are any if the people of Thailand disadvantaged by anything the anti-government protests have done?

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I'd say not being able to vote is a pretty big disadvantage.

I think that if the vote is for allowing the continuation of corruption and disregarding the law then people should not be allowed to vote for this as it is abhorrent and illegal!!!

[Thait Spot]

Kotee is abolutely right. The criminal insurrectionist Suthep and his misguided (probably equally criminal) followers have trespassed on large areas of Bangkok in recent weeks and have obstructed elections. But despite this utterly criminal activity - and surely obstructing elections is almost the worst crime you can commit in a democracy - Suthep and his associates have been allowed to carry on with their crimes in flagrant disregard of national laws.

Why did the Army and the Police not intervene to arrest these crooks, as Kotee suggests?

It seems to me that the Red shirts and people like Kotee are among the few folks standing up for democracy in Siam these days.

(You can bet that the 80% of conservatives/Fox News viewers on ThaiVisa will disagree).

And yet, I agree 100%. Interesting that as you accuse one side of bias or discrimination you feel it necessary to smear another group completely unrelated to the current discussion. True, the Red Shirts are much like tea party activists, struggling against the oppression of unelected elites, but Fox News has never seemed particularly sympathetic to the tea party. The yellows are most similar to fascists, and fascism is the right wing of the socialist movement (communism-socialism-fascism), so you would think that most Fox viewers, who tend to be anti-socialist, would support reds over yellows.

What codswallop

How are any if the people of Thailand disadvantaged by anything the anti-government protests have done?

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I'd say not being able to vote is a pretty big disadvantage.

So they couldn't claim their 500B?

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[ThailandNoob]

He has just as much right to express his opinion as the yellows have, the army best not disrupt the country more than it is already polarized,

Cheers

But smetimes, Kikoman, some views posted here are reprehensible. It's not about opinion - it's about facts.

I totally agree with what you said that "some views are reprehensible". A prime example would be advocating military coups and unelected People's Councils because "democracy is not appropriate for Thailand because most Thai people are too stupid to vote for the right people".

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[ThailandNoob]

I wouldn't doubt that this guy is going to be the poster child for the first person to be sentenced to prison. This is overstepping the boundary of the nation. It's not a statement you would want to challenge the Military about. The military has been cordial with the govt. so far. So I don't think the govt. would want to compromise their relationship with the military. Because if he is not arrested, it will set precedence for radical groups to act. Like all those other spineless groups that posted up the banners. Kotee, show a bit...sorry...no a lot of ignorance, by do such at thing. I don't think Thaksin will defend this wacko. TS just needed Kotee to get other people worked up and sacrifice their lives mindlessly for him.

And if he goes to prison, then he will become a martyr.

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[animatic]

Kotee and Red Shirts same as Tea Party???

WOW! The koolaide was strong this week.

Codswallope; just begins to cover this disconnect from logic and reality.

[Goat Roper]

He has just as much right to express his opinion as the yellows have, the army best not disrupt the country more than it is already polarized,

Cheers

But smetimes, Kikoman, some views posted here are reprehensible. It's not about opinion - it's about facts.

I totally agree with what you said that "some views are reprehensible". A prime example would be advocating military coups and unelected People's Councils because "democracy is not appropriate for Thailand because most Thai people are too stupid to vote for the right people".

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Whoa! Wait just a minute. First of all Thai people are not 'too stupid' to vote for the right people. If you understand Thai culture and the system used (Rote) to educate the masses then you will understand the client-patron relationship. Thais are not stupid, in most cases they do not have the luxury of a proper education.

[UP2013]

more like Goo-an Dteen i reckon... Hey!! Abb-otttt

[ThailandNoob]

He has just as much right to express his opinion as the yellows have, the army best not disrupt the country more than it is already polarized,

Cheers

But smetimes, Kikoman, some views posted here are reprehensible. It's not about opinion - it's about facts.

I totally agree with what you said that "some views are reprehensible". A prime example would be advocating military coups and unelected People's Councils because "democracy is not appropriate for Thailand because most Thai people are too stupid to vote for the right people".

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Whoa! Wait just a minute. First of all Thai people are not 'too stupid' to vote for the right people. If you understand Thai culture and the system used (Rote) to educate the masses then you will understand the client-patron relationship. Thais are not stupid, in most cases they do not have the luxury of a proper education.

I was quoting what I hear from the mouths of yellow shirt / Suthep sympathisers, as an example of a "reprehensible view".

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[Old Man River]

While we may disagree on what protective regulation means, I think we agree that if democracy is to make it in Thailand, it needs one or more political parties representing upcountry. In addition, the Dem's have to, once again, become a political party, not boycott this and boycott that...

I had a similar discussion pre-protest, but as the only 'farang' in the room, I knew I didn't stand a chance. Sadly, if we had the discussion today, nobody will have budged from their position.

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Yes I'm sorry, I lapsed into the nomenclature of my peergroup (again!), I should have typed out the full explanation. Protective regulation as used in my group, is a convenient general grouping of any legal and ground-level system that protects citizens directly ; for example laws regulating the safety of rail / road / workplace / food / water / medicines. Laws that monitor and capture corrupt players can also fall both inside and outside this grouping, depending on the situation. It is a convenient umbrella term.

Re; Thailand, we need a seachange, and a new party which sweeps aside the rot and is genuinely passionate about reforms, and can not rest until their vision of a prosperous and stable nation is realised. I think if such a party emerged they would be welcomed by the electorate in a truly jaw-dropping way. I still believe that Thailand has the suppressed kinetic energy to surprise many doubters, once a new progressive party emerges, the long held-back progress could leap forward in a shocking way.

Thanks for the clarification. Often the laws are there, but the enforcement is not due to corruption. Such a party you mention would be a great start. For now, it would be part of a coalition, but not the major party of a coalition, since people have become used to getting money now, not promises of a better future. You can see it in the problems people are having with the PTP's unpaid IOU's.

It would take time, but it is needed for democracy to flourish. Hopefully we can see it in this life.

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Well it all looks good on paper and sounds good but where are the people going to come from to form this new party?

I have a little bit of a different view on the Democrats than most. I feel if they had not refused to join in the past election nothing would have changed. The PTP would have been back in power. Albeit with a few less seats. Still enough to run their my way or the Highway system. The Democrats were the opposition but the PTP with there red shirt coworkers had enough power to over look them. They were even not allowed to talk at times.

It would seem that the other parties agreed with the PTP way of governing so I would not look for much support from them in forming a new party bent on reform and improving the lot of the every day working Thai.

When there is a vote of 305 to 3 to white wash Thaksin it pretty well tells us where there priorities are. Defiantly 305 people who would be unsuitable for a new party to reform Thailand.

Where are the people to come from to form this new party and will the red shirts let them or try to stop them through intimidation and violence both methods they have used in order to gain the power they now have.

So as I see it you not only need the people but you have to find away to safely discard the trouble makers.

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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[hawker9000]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

[Old Man River]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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[SICHONSTEVE]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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.

The judicial court system is indeed a checks and balances instrument and they are doing their job.

Elections aren't anything to do with checks and balances - the checks and balances come into play after the election and they are doing their job also with respect to the senate stopping this government from abusing it's powers and riding roughshod over parliamentary rules as they make up their own ones along the way to suit some fugitive's hidden agenda (well not that well hidden actually as the Dem's are always one step ahead of him and infinitely more clever)!!!

[Cricketnut]

eye for eye and tooth for tooth fight to protect democracy

lol ...all this talk about Democracy, they dont have the faintest Idea what Democracy is.

Karl Popper defined democracy in contrast to dictatorship or tyranny, thus focusing on opportunities for the people to control their leaders and to oust them without the need for a revolution

Tell that to America in the war against the British....

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[ThailandNoob]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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Kind of an academic question, since the Democrats rely on military coups and dodgy court rulings to get in power anyway.

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[Old Man River]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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The judicial court system is indeed a checks and balances instrument and they are doing their job.

Elections aren't anything to do with checks and balances - the checks and balances come into play after the election and they are doing their job also with respect to the senate stopping this government from abusing it's powers and riding roughshod over parliamentary rules as they make up their own ones along the way to suit some fugitive's hidden agenda (well not that well hidden actually as the Dem's are always one step ahead of him and infinitely more clever)!!!

I guess I am just pissed at Aphisit. Since he has taken over there has been one lack of communication after another, not to mention the two boycotts. While the country looks for a good leader (one way or another), the Dem's need to be doing the same (IMHO).

BTW, I have been writing about getting this out of the streets and into the courts for some time now. Still, the idea of hundreds of thousands of RS's in the streets seems to be blockage. It is quite possible the independent agencies will not be of much help either as they will need Senate approval and then it comes back to the Senatorial election and the Dem's,

.

Will those that lost their vote on Feb 2nd be now blocked from voting March 30th?

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[SICHONSTEVE]

It is unfortunate that the Dem's had to resort to these protests as it inconveniences people and lives are lost.

What should have happened is that Yingluck should have fallen on her sword and resigned before all of this kicked off as she is clearly not up to the job (she has even admitted that she doesn't understand what she is doing and is unable to debate on anything) and say's what Thaksin tells her to say as well as getting others to answer for her. Is that acceptable for a Prime Minister??

Another massive problem is that Thaksin has put people into jobs because they are willing to act as his servants and not for meritorious reasons. You simply cannot afford to have complete imbeciles running administrations (under the orders of a convicted criminal not even based in Thailand) - this has been stoking up problems since day 1. and I cannot believe they lasted 2.5 years before being stopped!!

I don't care how they do it, but their removal is the only logical step before it is too late!!!

Edited March 11, 2014 by SICHONSTEVE

[hawker9000]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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Really. If they don't vote, they lose their right to vote? Banned for life? I didn't know that. Got a source?

Edited March 11, 2014 by hawker9000

[Thai at Heart]

Isn't this a buddhist bliblical reference. If so, thai no undursatand.

[Old Man River]

On the Dem's, when a political party refuses to run in elections, they cease to be a political party.

On the rest, of course I have to agree.

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Hey Everybody! New rule! If a party doesn't participate in an election they cease to be a party.

I couldn't possibly have devised a better object lesson. PRECISELY the kind of thinking that got Pheu Thai to where they are today! I'm here to tell you this is right on the money! "New Rule #378: We've rigged the system, but if you don't play our game by our rules and participate in this election, you're out for good!" A new rule for every occasion, eh there OMR? Just keep on making stuff up until they give up and go home. Now there's a plan!

Hey Everybody! No need to make up rules. There is an Organic Act on Political Parties.

Elections and the judicial system are two of the most important checks and balances in a democracy. In boycotting two elections (one was nullified due to bad placement of ballot boxes) the Dem's are disallowing one of these checks and balances. When a registered Thai voter boycotts an election, they lose their right to vote. When a registered political party boycotts an election, what then?

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Really. If they don't vote, they lose their right to vote? Banned for life? I didn't know that. Got a source?

Try the election laws (if you read Thai). I know they had 7 days to provide an excuse (out of town etc.), but few did. Right now I am trying to find out how long the ban is for and whether it covers the Senatorial election. The one's I have talked to who didn't vote are saying that they wouldn't have been led to do this if it wasn't temporary and anyway Thai people know (how many times have we heard that).

BTW, it didn't impact Aphisit as his polling location was closed due to the protests.

Believe me, I hope I am wrong about this.

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Edited March 11, 2014 by Old Man River

[JRSoul]

But if the election is nullified, all bets are off, right?

[SICHONSTEVE]

But if the election is nullified, all bets are off, right?

.....as I mentioned in a different topic - Thaksin is EXPECTING the election to be annulled and is rather unhappy with his PTP buffoons not helping Yingluck more with her mounting problems!!!

Maybe the old 'guilt conscience' is starting to gnaw at him!!!!