Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[3NUMBAS]

faulty equipment found to have been used

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629001/Has-search-MH370-waste-time-Authorities-looking-missing-passenger-plane-reveal-using-FAULTY-equipment.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Has the search for MH370 been a waste of time? Hunt for missing plane has cost Australia $10m so far... and crews have been using FAULTY equipment

• Britain is rushing vital technical equipment to Australia for the search
• It follows major breakdown in the specialised vessels being used
• Investigators had found technical defects in two pieces of equipment
• Malaysia, China and Australia have all agreed to re-examine all data
• Hardware on ADV Ocean Shield and Bluefin-21 both compromised
• Revelations will delay search until Sunday while spare parts are flown in
• Budget papers estimate search will end up costing Australia $90million

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629001/Has-search-MH370-waste-time-Authorities-looking-missing-passenger-plane-reveal-using-FAULTY-equipment.html#ixzz31si6HNFS
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[tigermonkey]

I have as many deep sea search vessels in my back yard as China has. In other words; zero.

China wants to be taken seriously on the world stage It's building up its armed forces at a frenetic rate, but doesn't have a functioning underwater probe? What happens if one day, they've got to search for something important under the waves. Is it going to ask a favor of Washington or London?

Or, Bob forbid, they've got to do a rescue operation on one of their disabled subs? ....or there's a problem at one of the oil rigs they're planning to set up all over the S. China sea, in other peoples' sovereign territory.

Wrong. China has many. Among them are Quianlong, their deepest AUV at 6,000 meters and Jiaolong, their deepest manned submersible at more than 7,000 meters. There is also a large thriving industry of ROV manufacturers and suppliers supporting various underwater efforts, such as oil and gas.

Possibly true. But China does have a long history of telling the people of China, and the outside world, what it wants them to hear, does it not?

Bluefin looks as though it is not up to the task. Why not ask China to help with it's kit?

Great PR for the PRC if they find it, plus closure for the bereaved.

Yes China has that " long history of telling the people, and the outside world, what it wants them to hear", but then so does USA, Russia and other large countries.

I agree about Bluefin not being up to the task.

As to why China has not been asked to help more, you would need to seek those answers from Malaysia and Australia.

However, it appears now that the search coordinators are intent upon pursuing similar techniques to those of the so called "Phase 4" search for AF447 which may or may not initially involve AUVs. They ( the new search team) may choose to initially to use towed side scan sonar arrays, after their full reassessment is complete. this would be followed by AUVs, for detailling, then ROVs for precise identification and recovery.

This will not be a one shot effort like using Bluefin.

[tigermonkey]

I have as many deep sea search vessels in my back yard as China has. In other words; zero.

China wants to be taken seriously on the world stage It's building up its armed forces at a frenetic rate, but doesn't have a functioning underwater probe? What happens if one day, they've got to search for something important under the waves. Is it going to ask a favor of Washington or London?

Or, Bob forbid, they've got to do a rescue operation on one of their disabled subs? ....or there's a problem at one of the oil rigs they're planning to set up all over the S. China sea, in other peoples' sovereign territory.

Wrong. China has many. Among them are Quianlong, their deepest AUV at 6,000 meters and Jiaolong, their deepest manned submersible at more than 7,000 meters. There is also a large thriving industry of ROV manufacturers and suppliers supporting various underwater efforts, such as oil and gas.

Possibly true. But China does have a long history of telling the people of China, and the outside world, what it wants them to hear, does it not?

Bluefin looks as though it is not up to the task. Why not ask China to help with it's kit?

Great PR for the PRC if they find it, plus closure for the bereaved.

Ok, I probably should have inserted the word 'operational' before 'deep sea search vessels' in my missive above. China lost the most people in the missing plane, and has apparently been livid all along. If they have any operational deep sea vessels that can be of assistance, why aren't they in use?

You would need to seek those answers from Malaysia and Australia, who are running the show.

[tigermonkey]

faulty equipment found to have been used

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629001/Has-search-MH370-waste-time-Authorities-looking-missing-passenger-plane-reveal-using-FAULTY-equipment.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Has the search for MH370 been a waste of time? Hunt for missing plane has cost Australia $10m so far... and crews have been using FAULTY equipment

• Britain is rushing vital technical equipment to Australia for the search
• It follows major breakdown in the specialised vessels being used
• Investigators had found technical defects in two pieces of equipment
• Malaysia, China and Australia have all agreed to re-examine all data
• Hardware on ADV Ocean Shield and Bluefin-21 both compromised
• Revelations will delay search until Sunday while spare parts are flown in
• Budget papers estimate search will end up costing Australia $90million

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629001/Has-search-MH370-waste-time-Authorities-looking-missing-passenger-plane-reveal-using-FAULTY-equipment.html#ixzz31si6HNFS

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You forgot to mention that they have been unable to look in the location of the first and strongest pings, because it is too deep for Bluefin.

[tigermonkey]

Exactly what I was wondering.

The decision belongs to Malaysia and Australia. Interesting to note that the only ones now working in the search area are the Chinese. The Zhukezhen, a Chinese ocean survey ship, with more than 20 measurement systems on board is now mapping the ocean bottom in the search area. This should have been initiated long ago, but of course would be unnecessary if the wreckage was found. The idea of sending an AUV out to search an unmapped area is strange at best, but I suppose it was expeditious.

[P45Mustang]

Exactly what I was wondering.

The decision belongs to Malaysia and Australia. Interesting to note that the only ones now working in the search area are the Chinese. The Zhukezhen, a Chinese ocean survey ship, with more than 20 measurement systems on board is now mapping the ocean bottom in the search area. This should have been initiated long ago, but of course would be unnecessary if the wreckage was found. The idea of sending an AUV out to search an unmapped area is strange at best, but I suppose it was expeditious.

Excellent. Might find a new oil and gas field into the bargain. 20 measurement systems looks more pragmatic than the expeditious but apparently ineffective Bluefin.

[boomerangutang]

I can picture China, waiting patiently in the outer office, for the Aussies or Malays to ask them to assist. NOT. When China wants something, or to do something, it comes barging in with all the finesse of a Brahma bull in heat. Look at what they're doing at Vietnam's Paracel Islands, or at Philippines' islands. Bottom line, if China had reliable equipment which could be tangibly useful in the search, they would be on the scene using it, with or without a formal invitation.

[tigermonkey]

Exactly what I was wondering.

The decision belongs to Malaysia and Australia. Interesting to note that the only ones now working in the search area are the Chinese. The Zhukezhen, a Chinese ocean survey ship, with more than 20 measurement systems on board is now mapping the ocean bottom in the search area. This should have been initiated long ago, but of course would be unnecessary if the wreckage was found. The idea of sending an AUV out to search an unmapped area is strange at best, but I suppose it was expeditious.

Excellent. Might find a new oil and gas field into the bargain. 20 measurement systems looks more pragmatic than the expeditious but apparently ineffective Bluefin.

Ouch, don't even think like that. We are already dealing with too many PRC sovereignty claims.

[tigermonkey]

I can picture China, waiting patiently in the outer office, for the Aussies or Malays to ask them to assist. NOT. When China wants something, or to do something, it comes barging in with all the finesse of a Brahma bull in heat. Look at what they're doing at Vietnam's Paracel Islands, or at Philippines' islands. Bottom line, if China had reliable equipment which could be tangibly useful in the search, they would be on the scene using it, with or without a formal invitation.

Let's just agree that you do not like China !

[NeverSure]

'Ok, I probably should have inserted the word 'operational' before 'deep sea search vessels' in my missive above. China lost the most people in the missing plane, and has apparently been livid all along. If they have any operational deep sea vessels that can be of assistance, why aren't they in use?'

'Exactly what I was wondering.'

Right. A plane goes missing with both Chinese and American passengers on board. Supposedly it's in the ocean.

Yet the search is left up to Australia and (cough) Malaysia. Neither the US or China would wait for an invitation to search, but they seem pretty quiet. Too quiet.

Why?

[boomerangutang]

I can picture China, waiting patiently in the outer office, for the Aussies or Malays to ask them to assist. NOT. When China wants something, or to do something, it comes barging in with all the finesse of a Brahma bull in heat. Look at what they're doing at Vietnam's Paracel Islands, or at Philippines' islands. Bottom line, if China had reliable equipment which could be tangibly useful in the search, they would be on the scene using it, with or without a formal invitation.

Let's just agree that you do not like China !

I've never liked bullies.

[balo]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

Edited May 16, 2014 by balo

[boomerangutang]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

yes you can.

[Scott]

That would have to be a very, very big iceberg and I think it would have floated very far north. I think we'd be reading about an iceberg that big in the Global warming thread. But, it is an interesting idea.

[ignis]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

Guess lots of people would be interested in a Boeing 777 Glider, would make history, as a long way to go to the south pole on no fuel

[tigermonkey]

I can picture China, waiting patiently in the outer office, for the Aussies or Malays to ask them to assist. NOT. When China wants something, or to do something, it comes barging in with all the finesse of a Brahma bull in heat. Look at what they're doing at Vietnam's Paracel Islands, or at Philippines' islands. Bottom line, if China had reliable equipment which could be tangibly useful in the search, they would be on the scene using it, with or without a formal invitation.

Let's just agree that you do not like China !

I've never liked bullies.

Ha - Ha ! Yes, I suppose China has done their share of bullying. There is certainly no shortage of bullying around the world. I'm hard pressed to think of a nation which has any power which has not practised bullying.

[tigermonkey]

'Ok, I probably should have inserted the word 'operational' before 'deep sea search vessels' in my missive above. China lost the most people in the missing plane, and has apparently been livid all along. If they have any operational deep sea vessels that can be of assistance, why aren't they in use?'

'Exactly what I was wondering.'

Right. A plane goes missing with both Chinese and American passengers on board. Supposedly it's in the ocean.

Yet the search is left up to Australia and (cough) Malaysia. Neither the US or China would wait for an invitation to search, but they seem pretty quiet. Too quiet.

Why?

By international agreement, the country of origin of the aircraft is responsible for the search. Malaysia, being this country, is responsible and initially had more than 20 countries involved in the search. It was chaos with everyone doing their own thing..

If the crash site is found, the country where the crash occurred is responsible for the investigation. When the Inmarsat conclusions were brought forward, Australia, as the presumed location of the crash, volunteered to work with Malaysia in the search. Participation of other countries, is now up to Malaysia and Australia. Both USA and China have participated on this basis, although to in both cases, to a limited degree. International diplomacy at its finest.

[tigermonkey]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

Guess lots of people would be interested in a Boeing 777 Glider, would make history, as a long way to go to the south pole on no fuel

Nothing is impossible if they received the assistance of visitors from the planet Zorgon, who are known to have the best interests of humans at heart.

[NeverSure]

'Ok, I probably should have inserted the word 'operational' before 'deep sea search vessels' in my missive above. China lost the most people in the missing plane, and has apparently been livid all along. If they have any operational deep sea vessels that can be of assistance, why aren't they in use?'

'Exactly what I was wondering.'

Right. A plane goes missing with both Chinese and American passengers on board. Supposedly it's in the ocean.

Yet the search is left up to Australia and (cough) Malaysia. Neither the US or China would wait for an invitation to search, but they seem pretty quiet. Too quiet.

Why?

By international agreement, the country of origin of the aircraft is responsible for the search. Malaysia, being this country, is responsible and initially had more than 20 countries involved in the search. It was chaos with everyone doing their own thing..

If the crash site is found, the country where the crash occurred is responsible for the investigation. When the Inmarsat conclusions were brought forward, Australia, as the presumed location of the crash, volunteered to work with Malaysia in the search. Participation of other countries, is now up to Malaysia and Australia. Both USA and China have participated on this basis, although to in both cases, to a limited degree. International diplomacy at its finest.

There's no proof it's even in the water, much less closest to Australia. The place where they are looking isn't in Australian waters. It's international waters. Inmarsat has been largely debunked as reliable. Malaysia doesn't have the horsepower to direct a search even if ?? it has the will.

My curiosity is about why the US and China, both which had passengers on that plane have gone silent.

Do they know where it is and are they negotiating for hostage release for big money?

Or did one of Malaysia's pilots go postal and do something with it that Malaysia doesn't want to discuss?

Where are the US and China, other than silent?

[Credo]

I think that both the US and China are more than willing to do whatever is asked of them. This location is a long way from both countries and Australia is geographically well positioned to lead the search.

[hawker9000]

They're silent (lol) because they have nothing to say!!! They don't know where the aircraft is, anymore than anybody ELSE does!!! What the heck do you WANT them to say??? With some people, the U.S. just HAS to be covering up SOMETHING, whether it makes a statement or doesn't make a statement. If it contributes to the search it's either interfering or trying to steer attention away from DG or a navy shootdown or some equally wingnut theory; if it doesn't contribute it's part of acoverup. Really. Too many Sat'y morning cartoons.

Edited May 17, 2014 by hawker9000

[F4UCorsair]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

I think you would be the only one, because it didn't have sufficient fuel to reach the south pole.

Pings via the Inmarsat satellite indicate it suffered fuel exhaustion abeam Geraldton, and a glide of about 150 miles is possible, but not thousands of miles.

[F4UCorsair]

I think that both the US and China are more than willing to do whatever is asked of them. This location is a long way from both countries and Australia is geographically well positioned to lead the search.

More importantly it's in Australia's Search and Rescue zone, not that of China or the US. Other countries can participate, probably even without invitation, being in international waters, but there is no obligation to do so. I'm sure they are more than willing to assist if requested to do so.

Edited May 17, 2014 by F4UCorsair

[balo]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

I think you would be the only one, because it didn't have sufficient fuel to reach the south pole.

Pings via the Inmarsat satellite indicate it suffered fuel exhaustion abeam Geraldton, and a glide of about 150 miles is possible, but not thousands of miles.

That iceberg drifting in the sea could be hundreds of miles away from the south pole, its cold enough in the ocean for it not to melt.

You have an island nearby , Kerguelen islands, it could have drifted in that directiion. Of course, this is all highly speculative.

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Edited May 17, 2014 by balo

[neverdie]

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

Good idea.

After you finished checking all those icebergs, start checking the shirt pockets of Yachties that were perhaps sailing nearby. Perhaps one of them didn't notice it land in his top pocket.

[Chicog]

Nothing is impossible if they received the assistance of visitors from the planet Zorgon, who are known to have the best interests of humans at heart.

You can't trust those Zorgonians. I lent one 500 baht months ago and he's never paid it back.

[GentlemanJim]

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After a month of coming no where near this thread, as I figured there would be nothing useful to read and perhaps just a continuation of some of the lunacy that was appearing, I thought, maybe now there will be some development and a return to constructive well thought through information and theories, very quickly, I happened on this post:-

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

I will now be leaving the thread for another month and have learned to trust my instincts

[skippybangkok]

Was useful till you showed up

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[JetsetBkk]

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After a month of coming no where near this thread, as I figured there would be nothing useful to read and perhaps just a continuation of some of the lunacy that was appearing, I thought, maybe now there will be some development and a return to constructive well thought through information and theories, very quickly, I happened on this post:-

What if the plane landed on an iceberg and they stranded somewhere near the south pole , too cold for them to survive there. I can't be the only one looking at this theory .

I will now be leaving the thread for another month and have learned to trust my instincts

I'm a masochist. I tend to leave it for only a week or so.

[P45Mustang]

Yes. It's like a book you can't put down.

Mystery continues unsolved. Don't even know what chapter we are at.