Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[NeverSure]

Serious question.

Is it possible for a commercial jet liner to fly "beneath" the radar, thus disappearing from view?

Yes.

[coma]

China 'deploys satellites' in search for Malaysia plane

BEIJING - Beijing is deploying as many as 10 satellites in hopes of tracking down Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, state media reported Tuesday, as the search for the vanished aircraft entered its fourth day.

The high-resolution satellites, which are controlled from the Xian Satellite Control Centre in northern China, will be used for navigation, weather monitoring, communications and other aspects of the search-and-rescue effort, the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said.

Nearly two-thirds of the 239 people aboard flight MH370 were from China, and if the loss of the aircraft is confirmed, it would be Chinas second-worst ever air disaster.

Crews from nine countries have joined the international search effort, including China, Malaysia, the United States, Singapore, Vietnam, New Zealand, Indonesia, Australia and Thailand.

AFP

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

This will surely help; (though quite why US satellites have not discovered something is odd) I fear they really don't know where to look, but are surely looking in the wrong places, hence the maritime patrol aircraft

in the Malacca straights.

Seems like they will be using the satellites to see if it is on land somewhere. Not much good for sub surface searching such as a air frame on the bottom of the ocean.

[NeverSure]

Serious question.

Is it possible for a commercial jet liner to fly "beneath" the radar, thus disappearing from view?

Very unlikely. The aircraft's descent would have been observed. Here's an article from the Guardian that answers your question.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/malaysia-airlines-plane-mystery-disappear-off-radar

Please read your link again. It can disappear from radar, but the plane can still communicate (with a transponder's messages coming from the plane.) But the transponder can be turned off or switched to a totally confusing frequency which wouldn't be recognized. The frequencies are always requested by ground control so they can ID the plane. "Malaysia heavy xxxx squawk 6789" is asking the big plane to switch to that frequency so they can follow it and separate it.

[Don Johan Negombo]

I completly starting to agree on this. Something is very wierd with the whole story and the lack of information about the plane.

This remember me back of the Estonia ( The Swedish ship) who went down betwin Sweden and Finland ..in a very suspecting way. 800 people died and many people and evidences point out of a coverup of an Big corp or Goverment to Goverment Arms trade. If that type of thing can happen in SWEDEN , of cos a coverup in Asia (where many would sell there own mom for chuch of cash) or to offer a few hundred passangers to save a countrys FACE or gains something monetary or tech ..they will for sure do it.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia

It for sure can be so its has landed somewhere . And the goverments trying to think what to do with the people?

What really catches my concern is why the plane disappeared from the radar and knowing where it disappeared but can locate any debris in that area.
What if the pilots disconnected the transponders and attached one from another plane?
Could the pilots have been paid a large sum by an international organization and let those two fake passport passengers in the cockpit?
Could the plane have landed safely in a military airport?
Could it be that the MH370 flight was really holding high-tech electronic warfare weaponry? There were 20 employees from Freelance Semiconductor.
There are just too many facts that doesn't add up and look like it crashed!
But what if it really landed and this what so ever organization got what they wanted, what would happen to the plane and all the passengers?


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Edited March 11, 2014 by Don Johan Negombo

[NeverSure]

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#ixzz2vcQBaQiz

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If the plane was hijacked and the transponder was turned off, it would go in and out of radar contact. It might not have had radar contact when it disappeared. At that moment it is "lost" and it had another 4,000 miles of fuel on board. As it approached another radar zone, it might not be recognized. Look at some of the moving pictures earlier in the thread and see how many planes were in the air.

It could be anywhere including N. Korea, and it had enough fuel to make it to the middle of Siberia. It had enough fuel to make it to Iran or Egypt.

I'm not speculating as to what happened, I'm only mentioning what was possible.

[Don Johan Negombo]

The explosion theory is written off yestereday, Since the American officals clearly stated that they have Spy sattelites in the area covering the sea region and with 99 % chance they would see a explosion on there sattelite images...Nothing have been found.

That is also why now the chinese focus to try to find the plane intact or crashed on the lands such as small islands .

The explosion theory written off

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140310

Edited March 11, 2014 by Don Johan Negombo

[laolover88]

Another sad but possible scenario

Plane has a problem.(Whatever)

Pilot contacts base.

Everyone suggests he tries to return to KL. He is not that far out.He knows the runways etc.Rather than head

for an unknown landing ahead.

He turns the plane, flying low.

Comms etc are lost. Flying pretty much blind at night.

But he does not make it.

Hence P3s to the West of Malaysia

You could not make it all up could you? Possibly Damaged plane, perhaps incorrectly repaired..see JAL plane,

Disappears, suspect passengers, highly skilled scientists onboard, Malaysian and Chinese, doing what where and thengoing to Tianjin, Noshows identity not revealed except Chinese Banker who changes his mind at midnight to go to

Singapore, instead, and uncertainty whether bags removed, sick air hostesses, Black people with mohican haircuts

travelling one way on European passports with tickets bought in Pattaya by an Iranian.........add your own colorful detail.

Makes no difference to the grief and sorrow and fears of all those people shunted about and put into hotels with

scant and often duplicitous information. I weep for them

[MrWorldwide]

Can someone pls link me to a rock-solid source for the argument that the plane DID turn back toward the Malaysian coast ? My understanding of the 'may have turned back' theory is that it's in the same category as 'may have disintegrated in mid-air' : complete speculation. One of the aviation gurus interviewed on Oz TV on Sunday morning claimed that the Americans reviewed their own radar records and do not believe the plane turned back - I'd like to see a definitive source that can prove it did.

To date, the speculation that holds the most water for me is the hypoxia theory - it would explain why no-one was able to make any contact with the outside world.

[MrWorldwide]

The explosion theory is written off yestereday, Since the American officals clearly stated that they have Spy sattelites in the area covering the sea region and with 99 % chance they would see a explosion on there sattelite images...Nothing have been found.

That is also why now the chinese focus to try to find the plane intact or crashed on the lands such as small islands .

The explosion theory written off

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140310

*If* they can discount a midair explosion, I believe that's further ammunition for the hypoxia theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Why it would crash into the ocean only 2 hours from takeoff - assuming the radar simulation we've seen Is correct - if the plane was on auto-pilot is a question for the board's aviation experts, but I still think this is one theory worth investigating.

[Don Johan Negombo]

Iranians and pakistanis doing terrorism, its very unlikley, What they mostly do is Drug smuggling in Asia. And using afriacans as drug smuggling mules.

I am sure they was ahead to deliver some heroin to Malaysia or china and as favour he arranged them so they can come to Europe...That is what they do.

The prisions in Asia is full of iranians, pakistanis, nigerians cought by smuggling drugs.

Another sad but possible scenario
Plane has a problem.(Whatever)
Pilot contacts base.
Everyone suggests he tries to return to KL. He is not that far out.He knows the runways etc.Rather than head
for an unknown landing ahead.
He turns the plane, flying low.
Comms etc are lost. Flying pretty much blind at night.
But he does not make it.
Hence P3s to the West of Malaysia
You could not make it all up could you? Possibly Damaged plane, perhaps incorrectly repaired..see JAL plane,
Disappears, suspect passengers, highly skilled scientists onboard, Malaysian and Chinese, doing what where and thengoing to Tianjin, Noshows identity not revealed except Chinese Banker who changes his mind at midnight to go to
Singapore, instead, and uncertainty whether bags removed, sick air hostesses, Black people with mohican haircuts
travelling one way on European passports with tickets bought in Pattaya by an Iranian.........add your own colorful detail.
Makes no difference to the grief and sorrow and fears of all those people shunted about and put into hotels with
scant and often duplicitous information. I weep for them

Edited March 11, 2014 by Don Johan Negombo

[OZEMADE]

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#ixzz2vcQBaQiz

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If the plane was hijacked and the transponder was turned off, it would go in and out of radar contact. It might not have had radar contact when it disappeared. At that moment it is "lost" and it had another 4,000 miles of fuel on board. As it approached another radar zone, it might not be recognized. Look at some of the moving pictures earlier in the thread and see how many planes were in the air.

It could be anywhere including N. Korea, and it had enough fuel to make it to the middle of Siberia. It had enough fuel to make it to Iran or Egypt.

I'm not speculating as to what happened, I'm only mentioning what was possible.

Have to place it in the X Files. The Truth is out there.

[harrry]

another good summary

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140310

[mania]

To date, the speculation that holds the most water for me is the hypoxia theory - it would explain why no-one was able to make any contact with the outside world.

But that theory ends in debris & lots of it, floating or on land, yet none has been spotted.

Also I am not so sure hypoxia could be so swift as to not allow pilots who know what it is to prepare & add oxygen masks.

Oxygen does not all leave the cabin at once barring a big hole in fuselage. So the onset of hypoxia would be noticed.

If the plane went into a spin due to what ever problem yes I can imagine none will get off a SOS due to high G forces

holding them in place. But then again your back to debris being scattered

This event is probably going to be talked about for a long time even after a result is given. Because it is all so odd

in this day & age especially given the area is probably heavily watched by satellites

Must be extremely trying for the families of those missing

Edited March 11, 2014 by mania

[Don Johan Negombo]

Yes, but then the transponders and communcation system would have automaticly alarmed the ground if everyone instantly died on board...it would still fly for some time. That is what is strange.

If this theory is likely. Then more likely that the news we get ...is not the full or correct one. They might hide the facts they got contact with the plane or disstress signals...but they dont tell us the truth?.

The explosion theory is written off yestereday, Since the American officals clearly stated that they have Spy sattelites in the area covering the sea region and with 99 % chance they would see a explosion on there sattelite images...Nothing have been found.

That is also why now the chinese focus to try to find the plane intact or crashed on the lands such as small islands .

The explosion theory written off

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140310

*If* they can discount a midair explosion, I believe that's further ammunition for the hypoxia theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Why it would crash into the ocean only 2 hours from takeoff - assuming the radar simulation we've seen Is correct - if the plane was on auto-pilot is a question for the board's aviation experts, but I still think this is one theory worth investigating.

[angeldevil69]

The explosion theory is written off yestereday, Since the American officals clearly stated that they have Spy sattelites in the area covering the sea region and with 99 % chance they would see a explosion on there sattelite images...Nothing have been found.

That is also why now the chinese focus to try to find the plane intact or crashed on the lands such as small islands .

The explosion theory written off

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/uk-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUKBREA2701C20140310

*If* they can discount a midair explosion, I believe that's further ammunition for the hypoxia theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Why it would crash into the ocean only 2 hours from takeoff - assuming the radar simulation we've seen Is correct - if the plane was on auto-pilot is a question for the board's aviation experts, but I still think this is one theory worth investigating.

if it was Hypoxia, and the plane on autopilot, the plane would have crashed when out of fuel, no? It could still fly what? 6-7 hrs?

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[dontscrewmyday]

The plane falled in a worm hole, different space / time.

Sounds crazy but it s possible. Totally POSSIBLE!

Look

Cell phones still ringing

No locator transmitter

No sign at all

Vanished from radar

No radio contact

No mayday call

No ecar info

No black box signal

Etc.

What more you need to be convince that it can be only a time travel to a different universe.

What else could be it?

Watch the movie " Nimitz...."

Edited March 11, 2014 by dontscrewmyday

[steve73]

Please forgive this rather long post but I'm trying to answer a few points from a few overnight and recent posts...

The Guardian article explained clearly that it would be possible to disappear from all radar/monitoring at the given lovcation by switching off the various transponders, and by dropping below about 29-30 kft. From it's previous 35 k, this drop in altitude could be acheived in well under a minute..

Secondly, I've seen numerous comments about a reported change of direction from 25 deg to 333 deg (and also reports about changing to 40 deg, which is what previous/later flights did). 333 deg takes it in a north-westerly direction - i.e. towards Thailand, or if it were still turning in that direction, then it would explain why there is SAR activities on the west of Phuket.

A direct westward routing (i.e. heading 270) from the position of last notification would take it over southern Thailand (somewhat consistent with visual reports), And onwards to the Nicobar Islands, one of which, Car Nicobar, is about 500km west of Phuket, and has a reasonable length runway.

Further in that direction, Sri Lanka, and the Indian peninsular are well within fuel range, and possibly with the spare fuel carried, as far as Somalia or Yemen, or even Iran (I'm unsure how much more fuel would be used flying at low altitude, compared to normal).

As to the black boxes, as I understand it, they only activate to give a signal in the event of a crash on land or water, and would remain unactivated on a normal landing.

I'm not trying to speculate - merely trying to consider some of the more far reaching possibilities.

[Don Johan Negombo]

I Agree.

Everything in my eyes point on a coverup or that the goverments feel its not good to leak out what actually happen?.

However if the plane pass Nicobar islands for sure the Americans would know about it . Diego Garcia Americas most important (according to me) is outside Sri lanka and Maldives. its a Huge base since the WW 2 . Not many people knows what is going on there . Some people say planes with talibans and " unwanted" persons ends up there....why not.... Fishing people have spotted strange objects and planes in the air that have no wings. Mybee they testing new weapons or aircrafts there aswell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

I think its a coverup . It might have landed, and the passangers maybee are in detention to the media storm is low and they will slowly be returned to real life.

Or all goverments knows what happen, and even found the plane but not telling the world.

Please forgive this rather long post but I'm trying to answer a few points from a few overnight and recent posts...

The Guardian article explained clearly that it would be possible to disappear from all radar/monitoring at the given lovcation by switching off the various transponders, and by dropping below about 29-30 kft. From it's previous 35 k, this drop in altitude could be acheived in well under a minute..

Secondly, I've seen numerous comments about a reported change of direction from 25 deg to 333 deg (and also reports about changing to 40 deg, which is what previous/later flights did). 333 deg takes it in a north-westerly direction - i.e. towards Thailand, or if it were still turning in that direction, then it would explain why there is SAR activities on the west of Phuket.

A direct westward routing (i.e. heading 270) from the position of last notification would take it over southern Thailand (somewhat consistent with visual reports), And onwards to the Nicobar Islands, one of which, Car Nicobar, is about 500km west of Phuket, and has a reasonable length runway.

Further in that direction, Sri Lanka, and the Indian peninsular are well within fuel range, and possibly with the spare fuel carried, as far as Somalia or Yemen, or even Iran (I'm unsure how much more fuel would be used flying at low altitude, compared to normal).

As to the black boxes, as I understand it, they only activate to give a signal in the event of a crash on land or water, and would remain unactivated on a normal landing.

I'm not trying to speculate - merely trying to consider some of the more far reaching possibilities.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Don Johan Negombo

[webfact]

Expect the worst, says MAS



KUALA LUMPUR: -- Malaysian Airlines (MAS) will fly the first batch of families of passengers on board the missing MAS MH370 from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur starting tomorrow.

MAS spokesman in Beijing, Ignatius Ong, said the first batch would comprise only family members of two passengers as they have passports and visas to Malaysia.

Up to five family members would be flown to Kuala Lumpur in the subsequent flights offered by MAS as the airline wants to bring as many families of the passengers to Kuala Lumpur, Ong told the New Straits Times when contacted yesterday.

Ong said for the next of kin who had yet to have valid travel documents, MAS would liaise with the Malaysian Embassy here and China’s Immigration Department to facilitate the application process.

He had told family members of passengers to “expect the worst” as the search and rescue operations stretch to more than 36 hours.

“However, I would like to emphasise that we have not found the aircraft. We will continue our search and rescue efforts and will try our best to locate the aircraft,” he said at a press conference at Hotel Lido in Beijing.

He said MAS was currently working with the Malaysian Embassy here to facilitate visa applications for the next-of-kin who would want to fly to Kuala Lumpur.

Meanwhile, the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said it had deployed a team of investigators to help with the investigation.

The NTSB team is accompanied by technical advisers from Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/expect-worst-says-mas/


-- Thai PBS 2014-03-11

[bubba]

Can someone pls link me to a rock-solid source for the argument that the plane DID turn back toward the Malaysian coast ? My understanding of the 'may have turned back' theory is that it's in the same category as 'may have disintegrated in mid-air' : complete speculation. One of the aviation gurus interviewed on Oz TV on Sunday morning claimed that the Americans reviewed their own radar records and do not believe the plane turned back - I'd like to see a definitive source that can prove it did.

...

Perhaps not a rock-solid source, but have a look at the revised and expanded search areas. They are now searching more area over in the Andaman Sea, hundreds of miles west of the last known civilian radar contact. From the amount of effort being put into that, there must be a reason. From the chart of the revised search area, it almost looks someone suggests a northwest vector, off towards India. Civilian radar is not good at tracking primary radar returns, as it mostly relies on transponder returns. Then there is ACARS, which was obviously inoperable.

That doesn't mean that military radar didn't track the aircraft at least part of the way. Understandably, the military in any country does not like to fully reveal their air defence capabilities.

Edit: Note the red boxes, which indicated the newly expanded areas, particularly the one off the tip of Sumatra.

Edited March 11, 2014 by bubba

[OZEMADE]

A group known as the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade has reportedly claimed it is behind the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21912148/terror-group-claims-responsibility-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-mh370/

[mania]

KUALA LUMPUR: -- Malaysian Airlines (MAS) will fly the first batch of families of

passengers on board the missing MAS MH370 from Beijing to Kuala Lumpur starting tomorrow.

Somehow I cannot imagine families of missing passengers would want to fly on any MAS plane at this point.

[MrWorldwide]

if it was Hypoxia, and the plane on autopilot, the plane would have crashed when out of fuel, no? It could still fly what? 6-7 hrs?

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And that brings us back to 'they are looking in the wrong grid square' argument. Still wouldn't explain the relatively early disappearance from the radar, but given that I've seen graphics which put the plane anywhere between southern Thailand to north Vietnam, who knows how accurate some of the radar 'news' has been ...

I have no idea how densely populated southern Cambodia is, but I was surprised by how quickly Pnomh Penh turned into farmland as soon as we got outside the city - more grist for the mill, but I haven't seen anything mentioning a search effort on the other side of the Vietnamese border.

[Dario]

A group known as the Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade has reportedly claimed it is behind the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/21912148/terror-group-claims-responsibility-of-missing-malaysia-airlines-mh370/

That was already reported yesterday. It'll be soon 24 hours.

[sirchai]

The plane falled in a worm hole, different space / time.

Sounds crazy but it s possible. Totally POSSIBLE!

Look

Cell phones still ringing

No locator transmitter

No sign at all

Vanished from radar

No radio contact

No mayday call

No ecar info

No black box signal

Etc.

What more you need to be convince that it can be only a time travel to a different universe.

What else could be it?

Watch the movie " Nimitz...."

Seems that you shouldn't watch that many movies. Or please change your medication.-

[sirchai]

if it was Hypoxia, and the plane on autopilot, the plane would have crashed when out of fuel, no? It could still fly what? 6-7 hrs?

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And that brings us back to 'they are looking in the wrong grid square' argument. Still wouldn't explain the relatively early disappearance from the radar, but given that I've seen graphics which put the plane anywhere between southern Thailand to north Vietnam, who knows how accurate some of the radar 'news' has been ...

I have no idea how densely populated southern Cambodia is, but I was surprised by how quickly Pnomh Penh turned into farmland as soon as we got outside the city - more grist for the mill, but I haven't seen anything mentioning a search effort on the other side of the Vietnamese border.

Thanks and a few people made a joke, when I'd posted yesterday that the rests of the plane and bodies could be anywhere. Even in Cambodia.

[Don Johan Negombo]

maybee we found a Bermuda triangle of Asia?

[laolover88]

The Guardian UK live still the best updating!

There is nothing remotely amusing about any of this, particularly for those directly affected.

However Thailand can be relied on to raise some eyebrows!:

Police quoted Benjawan Narkmornkha, owner of the BN Massage parlour, which doubles as a motorcycle rental in Kathu district in Phuket, as saying that a relative told her a foreign man, claiming to be a customer, asked to borrow his passport so he could withdraw money from a bank. He apparently left a Russian passport - allegedly that of his girlfriend - behind as a guarantee.

The person behind the counter then held out several passports left behind by customers and asked the man to choose the one belonging to him. The man picked the one issued to Italian national Luigi Maraldi, but has not been seen since, Benjawan told police.

She said that when Maraldi came back to reclaim his passport and learned it was missing, he filed a complaint with Kathu police on July 25, 2013. Later, it was learned that the passport belonging to the unidentified Russian woman had also been reported missing.

[Don Johan Negombo]

Latest statsment from the Airliner if someone wants to read.

Tuesday, March 11, 11:15 AM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 11th Media Statement

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

[MrWorldwide]

@sirchai, I dont think Cambodia is so far out of the question, particularly with the search focussed in Vietnamese waters.

The Cardamom Mountains is a mountain range in the south west of Cambodia, jutting into southeastern Thailand. The highest elevation of the Cardamom Mountains is Phnom Aural at 1,813 metres (5,948 ft) high. This is also Cambodia's highest peak. This range of mountains formed one of the last strongholds of the Khmer Rouge, and many parts are largely inaccessible. The inaccessibility of the hills, however, helped to preserve the area.

Compared to Vietnam, Cambodia isnt a densely populated country - at least not in the rural areas - and its not a country blessed with technology. At that hour of the morning, how many Khmer farmers would have been looking up at the sky to see a plane flying overhead ?