Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[coma]

Latest imagery that came out today is 4 days old. Will make locating it via air all that more harder ?

[fatdrunkandstupid]

Nightfall approaches, they wont know anything on this until the morning.

[khaosai]

Hi,

Fingers crossed for the families that they have found it.

[khaosai]

I am praying they find some survivors. Amidst all of this government mismanagment, wouldn't it be a frank miracle to find someone alive.

Lets focus the discussion of this thread on that possibility for a moment. For those amongst you with knowledge of the safety equipment...rafts etc on board a similar plane, and the provisions therein. Is there any chance whatsoever that someone is out there somewhere, still patiently waiting for the circus to find them.

Hi,

The equipment on board is geared towards survival. Lots of it available. Almost two weeks in then lack of drinking water would be a big threat. Controlled ditching then adrift for two weeks then chances are stacked against you. Onboard emergency emergency locators only work for 2 to 3 days. It's not a busy air route.

That's a fairly large part sighted in the water. Nose of the aircraft to the wing leading edge is approx 70 ft long. Wing trailing edge to tail is approx 90 ft. You also have approx 90ft of wing either side of the fuselage.

[webfact]

MISSING MH370
Radar hits of 'significant' size registered in search area : ABC News
The Star
Asia News Network



A flight crew scouring the southern Indian Ocean for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane says they are getting radar hits of "significant size,"indicating something lurking below the water's surface, ABC News reported.

ABC News’ David Wright, on board the US Navy P-8 Poseidon, said the crew told him the radar indicated "there is something down there."

It is still too early to tell if the radar hits are related to the missing plane, which was carrying 239 people when it disappeared on March 8.

The P-8 is among four aircraft and one merchant ship heading to a region off the coast of Australia after two objects that may be related to the plane were spotted by satellite, officials said Thursday.


-- The Nation 2014-03-20

[Tatsujin]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[Chicog]

Nightfall approaches, they wont know anything on this until the morning.

As has already been pointed out, camera technology these days does not require a huge amount of light. It isn't "First Blood" where they wait until dawn before starting the hunt again.

That's why the aircraft are going out in intervals, if they find it, they want eyes on it until the ships get there, and they can only operate for two hours once they get there.

You'll probably have noticed that the planes are going out two hours apart.

[MK1]

What I find most disturbing. is that Australia also knew about these possible object images four days ago, according to the satellite image stamp, and one hour before Tony Abbott was due in Parliament for Question Time he spoke to the Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein as stated by Mr Hussein in the evening daily press conference today.

The timing of the this announcement seems uncanny, that the Australia Prime Minister, used the opportunity of Question Time in Parliament, one hour after speaking with Mr Hussein and four days after receiving the satellite images, to make the first announcement.

I hate to suggest this is political grandstanding but Mr Abbott perhaps should have separately called a press conference; sooner rather than later in this circumstance.

Edited March 20, 2014 by MK1

[kilvingtono]

MK1 There is no need for Labor views. It is a task to go thru data that takes quite a while.

[Mosha]

Malaysia- truly Asia, well that sure got that slogan right!

So now instead of the disparaging slang about lying , " Don't Thai to me", the new phrase will be

" Don't Malay to me"....... In the annals of public relations in the face of a disaster,

Malaysia's handling of this incident will go down in history as what NOT to do.

So just how does one handle a jumbo jet that disappears without a trace? I don't think the Malaysians have too many precedents to follow.

Jumbo jet? Those are 747s. However dragging family members away is not a great move.

[Mosha]

Of course he's not serious, he's being facetious.

He's being a reoll

[coma]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

If that were the case and there was a fire. Surely the pilot would have conducted a fuel dump immediately. So that means it would not of been able to ghost ship it on for another 8 hours. Fail.

[MK1]

MK1 There is no need for Labor views. It is a task to go thru data that takes quite a while.

I have no political allegiance to any party. Incidentally, are you a geospatial data specialist?

Edited March 20, 2014 by MK1

[steven100]

It looks like Australia may have found the stricken plane - flight MH370

Flight MH370 could have continued flying for thousands of kilometres with everybody on board unconscious if it had depressurised, which would have caused it to arrive at the area off the Western Australia coast where crews are searching for its possible wreckage.

[Credo]

MK1 There is no need for Labor views. It is a task to go thru data that takes quite a while.

I have no political allegiance to any party. Are you a geospatial data specialist?

I doubt that the PM had that information sitting on his desk for 4 days. I am sure that much of the satellite imagery had to be reviewed carefully and it took time to figure out where that plane might have gone.

The fact that they found this needle in the haystack is quite amazing.

Meanwhile, I am trying to find my car keys.

[Chicog]

It looks like Australia may have found the stricken plane - flight MH370

Flight MH370 could have continued flying for thousands of kilometres with everybody on board unconscious if it had depressurised, which would have caused it to arrive at the area off the Western Australia coast where crews are searching for its possible wreckage.

But why would that have disabled ACARS and the transponder, and turned the plane around?

Nope. Deliberate.

[citizen33]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

With apologies to those who have been following the news and seen this already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

[MK1]

MK1 There is no need for Labor views. It is a task to go thru data that takes quite a while.

I have no political allegiance to any party. Are you a geospatial data specialist?

I doubt that the PM had that information sitting on his desk for 4 days. I am sure that much of the satellite imagery had to be reviewed carefully and it took time to figure out where that plane might have gone.

The fact that they found this needle in the haystack is quite amazing.

Meanwhile, I am trying to find my car keys.

Well I guess that explanation too justifies the lead-time it took to review carefully the radar data images by Thailand before also releasing the information. I'm also missing my goat.

Edited March 20, 2014 by MK1

[melvinmelvin]

just heard on the radio (news);

a Norwegian car carrier is in the area now, searching for debris

(the ship was on its way to Melbourne from South Africa,

Australian authorities requsted assistance and asked the ship to deviate from its course)

[Credo]

MK1 There is no need for Labor views. It is a task to go thru data that takes quite a while.

I have no political allegiance to any party. Are you a geospatial data specialist?

I doubt that the PM had that information sitting on his desk for 4 days. I am sure that much of the satellite imagery had to be reviewed carefully and it took time to figure out where that plane might have gone.

The fact that they found this needle in the haystack is quite amazing.

Meanwhile, I am trying to find my car keys.

Well I guess that explanation too justifies the lead-time it took to review carefully the radar data images by Thailand before also releasing the information. I'm also missing my goat.

This is a big situation. A lot of countries have put forth a lot of effort to find this plane. To some extend it's going to be a coup for the country that finally finds it. I don't think that's why they are helping, but it will be a good-will coup.

There were 14 nationalities on the flight, including Australians.

My guess is that there are a lot of countries looking at a lot of images to see if they have missed anything.

[coma]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

With apologies to those who have been following the news and seen this already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

This theory is well flawed dude.

[Chicog]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

With apologies to those who have been following the news and seen this already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

That story is such a load of rubbish on many levels. Closest airport - wrong; Fire that disabled all onboard systems but didn't bring the aircraft down - wrong.

Climbing to 45,000 and diving to "put out a fire"? What a complete cock amamie story.

[toonsai]

So many theories around, but this one seems very plausible to me

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Edited March 20, 2014 by toonsai

[Tatsujin]

With all the conspiracy theories that abound, this is the simplest and most straightforward answer I've seen so far:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

With apologies to those who have been following the news and seen this already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

This theory is well flawed dude.

So it seems. Yet still no real explanation as yet.

[NanLaew]

Anyone else ready to post the 'latest' theory from Wired.... again!?

[Scott]

Inflammatory posts removed.

[laolover88]

I, as many others, have changed my mind on all of this. I think MAS sent a plane into the sky with a total lack of care and maintenance. Seems to me that all on board systems of control were already jeopardised by incompetent ground staff.

People say "lightning does not strike twice". In the case of MAS I would not be too sure! Not likely to be flying with

them again!!

[Chicog]

You think incompetent ground staff plugged a course change into the navigation computer?

[napawan28]

http://www.roomeetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/165.jpg

The imagery, which was progressively captured by satellites passing over the area, has not yet been released to the media.

Credit: http://www.roomeetimes.com/plane-searchers-investigate-debris-found-on-indian-ocean.html

[khaosai]

Hi,

My personal opinion is that the aircraft was intentionally flown off course. Not sure to the reason why tho.

The likelihood of an aircraft suffering a catastrophic event rendering the transponder off, datalink connection lost and VHF/HF communications inoperative just outside of primary radar range at the boundary between two countries all at the same time are very remote.

In addition to this, the aircraft is then turned around to fly to specific waypoints that require programming, at an intermediate altitude, minimising exposure to primary radar just don't add up.

I can assure you if a crew have a fire onboard they will first go on oxygen then point the aircraft immediately to the best option available, preferably the closest airport available. If that's not an option then ditching is a viable option. Checklists will be started and then air traffic control told what is going on. They will not jettison fuel in this scenario. If at 35000ft you will not climb to a higher altitude.

The Boeing 777 freighter main deck cargo checklist says climb or descend to 25000ft but once descent has commenced don't delay landing. This is freighter specific and passenger aircraft checklists are different. Different model, different checklist.

With uncontrollable fire you will have approx 10 to 15 minutes to get it on the ground to have any chance of survival.

Has the aircraft been depressurised to deal with the passenger and crew threat. Possibly. Portable oxygen bottles will provide oxygen to the cabin crew. The capacity of these bottles is approx 300 litres giving just over 2.5 hours of oxygen in low flow mode. High flow mode will provide oxygen for approx 1hr 15 mins.

Has the aircraft then made some sort of effort to ditch successfully. Possibly. The ditching drill has the crew close both outflow valves to enable it to remain afloat if possible. You could however leave the outflow valves open to enable it to sink faster.

Pure conjecture on my part of course. The aircraft flying at 29500ft and then flying to specific waypoints don't seem to indicate a time critical event occurred on board.

Edited March 20, 2014 by khaosai