Taxi shot up in Lumpini Park after argument with protest guards: driver

[Prbkk]

...these scumbags continue to use violence and have impunity to do so following the ludicrous court ruling.

[tomyummer]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

This is Thailand,TiT.

You will never know the truth.

The truth is you can't stop a Thai in getting a drink and a dunk even if it means entering the front lines of danger.

Totally insane, totally Thai.

Amazing Thailand: It begins with the people.

[bkkjames]

...these scumbags continue to use violence and have impunity to do so following the ludicrous court ruling.

you mean the guys chucking grenades at children and blowing them up PR?

[chrisinth]

I can't understand what it is with you people back tracking to 2010.

Because of what happened then does not give anyone the right, whatever the colour of the day is, to carry out any illegal action today. Incidents are happening right now that are endangering peoples lives. That needs to be addressed, not referred back in history.

Once the tit-for-tat actions start, they will last for years to come. The only thing we seem to learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.......................

[mackymak]

You can try to do the same thing what they did and see what will happen ok

[Cnxforever]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

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Bluesky TV ???

[NCFC]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

Again your feeble attempts to defend these defenseless actions by the protest guard.

!. the guards caused the confrontation, by attempting to order citizens to leave a public park!

2. The guards are not peaceful unarmed protesters.

3. the article stated when the gunshots started the occupations of the taxi ran, did a gun fire by itself from inside the Taxi.

Could you kindly, advise us to the other source you stated had a different version of the incident!

Cheers

Hang on. When it is a bomb or gun fire aimed at "enemies" of the PTP it is the PDRC especially when no one was hurt according to you. These attacks forced the PDRC into Lumpini park in the first place yet you still say it is the PDRC forcing themselves into a park.

Now we have a taxi driver (with no passenger as witness because he mysteriously disappeared) who after having bullets fired at him is slightly grazed and is telling the media and police his version of events while no one else can collaborate it. I am sure that there will be no CCTV footage of this either. Mark my words, if they were the PDRC guards that attacked you can bet your farm tractor (that has to be repossessed) that the police would find the CCTV footage to back their claims.

So you read an OP that tells a taxi drivers version of events with no other witnesses and you have no idea what this taxi drivers back ground is. No CCTV footage yet you are adamant that this is gospel while sitting on your front patio drinking coffee. YET during a red shirt rally in Phichit, former Pheu Thai Waipote Arpornrat threatened the NACC, saying the graft-busting agency would find “hell on earth” if it dared to rule against the prime minister and the next day a hand grenade was thrown into the NACC compound and going by your wisdom and sound deductive reasoning it was a PDRC protestor.

That's PTP logic right there.

Okay, okay, the taxi driver shot himself, just as the guy a couple of days ago bound his own hands and feet and threw himself in the river.

[ikke]

Non-violent Suthep loving protesters.

Strange most posters don't show up with comments this time , except a few Suthep lovers who promote violence because red-scum does it they are also allowed to use violence.

Stop thinking and promoting the violence used by both parties.

[NCFC]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Bluesky TV ???

Seems like "other reports" refers to Suthep's step-son, Akanat. So that's ok then. lol

[djjamie]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Bluesky TV ???

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

[binjalin]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Bluesky TV ???

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

funny how you 'suddenly' support the 'other' source when you usually worship the yellow, and far from mellow, The Nation no doubt Bluesky rubbish is your tv of choice too... anyway nearly over - 6m protesters is now hardly 5,000 in a park

[UP2013]

may be a bit quick to point fingers and blame with only a single report of a drunken man looking for a prostitute.

[TheReporter]

Thailand is full of nut cases, so killing each other is the best way to solve their differences.

[LomSak27]

Lies , nothing but red lies and slander

The protestors are essentially peacful,(except when they have to kill) as the courts have so indicated.

That is all.

[Tanlic]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

Again your feeble attempts to defend these defenseless actions by the protest guard.

!. the guards caused the confrontation, by attempting to order citizens to leave a public park!

2. The guards are not peaceful unarmed protesters.

3. the article stated when the gunshots started the occupations of the taxi ran, did a gun fire by itself from inside the Taxi.

Could you kindly, advise us to the other source you stated had a different version of the incident!

Cheers

I read the report it said the passenger was a Thai named Lee Harvey Oswald

[Cnxforever]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Bluesky TV ???

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

BP is your "reliable" source of news??? Did you and Robby nz - read the article??? I did - what a great piece of "journalism"! It is so stupid you could not make it up!!

You better read it before you post here!

I have seen the police report long time before the BP "reported" its very own manipulated version of what happened - you want to quote Suthep's gangster stepson Akanat as a reliable source of "news" here - are you absolutly out of your mind???

The only reliable "news' printed in the BP are the foreign exchange rates - but only because they are not responsible for them!

The taxi driver was attacked by PDRC thugs - I have seen the pictures of his taxi last night and the police report - he ran away and came back with the police- if you can not face the truce then don't insult us with your stupid - "it was the taxi drivers fault or his passenger's - or everybody else is lying in Thailand except your beloved PDRC!

The way you people behave is laughable - of course the taxi driver stops his taxi with two passengers inside, on a main road outside Lumphini Park the drunk passenger then opens fire at the park from - inside the taxi - while he is negotiating the price with a hooker - then out of nowhere - according to Mr. Akanat bullets come flying at the taxi from the direction of the park controlled by his "guards" - the taxi is riddled with bullets (pictures and video taken at the scene) and Mr.Akanat does not know who fired these bullets it was certainly not his PDRC guards!

There must be some really mean people out there at night in Bangkok walking around waiting for taxi passengers to open fire at Lumphini Park and then shooting these taxis to pieces just for fun!!!

Mr Akanat must think all of us are as "naive" as you - but of course you have to forgive him he deals mostly with people with the inability to inform themselves - cheering at every stupid insult he makes on stage against his own countrymen!

You would probably agree with him that It was very likely another case of people - or now taxis - "running into flying bullets" in Bangkok - seems to happen a lot here every time the gangster Suthep is around!

[stargas]

...these scumbags continue to use violence

Taxi passengers can certainly be scumbags at times

[stargas]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

I'd like to read those other reports. Can you post the links? Cheers

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Asia Update TV???

Edited March 10, 2014 by stargas

[stargas]

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

I have seen the police report long time before the BP "reported"

How?

Are you one of those farang police volunteers we read about on other threads?

.

Edited March 10, 2014 by stargas

[atyclb]

Seems like a long way to go at 2am all pissed up looking for some action, surely around Rama 2 his needs could have been sorted? I would have fallen asleep by the time on got there...

What advantage would lumpini park have for companionship?

[djjamie]

Bluesky TV ???

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

funny how you 'suddenly' support the 'other' source when you usually worship the yellow, and far from mellow, The Nation no doubt Bluesky rubbish is your tv of choice too... anyway nearly over - 6m protesters is now hardly 5,000 in a park

"no doubt" being the opportune word. I could spin some lovely yarns about what you "no doubt" watch, "no doubt" think and "no count" see, but it would be wasting time because it is speculation. I do not have evidence to back it up and I do not know you so it would only make me look foolish by saying it in the first place.

[djjamie]

"Laughing it off" is a debating technique used when somebody says something that you don't like or where facts are highlighted stopping you in your tracks or simply a refusal to take what the other person says seriously.

As another poster has highlighted, the conflicting report can be found at Bangkok Post. He has shown through evidence that Robby nz was in fact correct. However due to your refusal to believe in the facts or to allow yourself to believe those facts you "laugh it off" with a sly little swipe.

So to reiterate what another poster said, look on Bangkok Post.

BP is your "reliable" source of news??? Did you and Robby nz - read the article??? I did - what a great piece of "journalism"! It is so stupid you could not make it up!!

You better read it before you post here!

I have seen the police report long time before the BP "reported" its very own manipulated version of what happened - you want to quote Suthep's gangster stepson Akanat as a reliable source of "news" here - are you absolutly out of your mind???

The only reliable "news' printed in the BP are the foreign exchange rates - but only because they are not responsible for them!

The taxi driver was attacked by PDRC thugs - I have seen the pictures of his taxi last night and the police report - he ran away and came back with the police- if you can not face the truce then don't insult us with your stupid - "it was the taxi drivers fault or his passenger's - or everybody else is lying in Thailand except your beloved PDRC!

The way you people behave is laughable - of course the taxi driver stops his taxi with two passengers inside, on a main road outside Lumphini Park the drunk passenger then opens fire at the park from - inside the taxi - while he is negotiating the price with a hooker - then out of nowhere - according to Mr. Akanat bullets come flying at the taxi from the direction of the park controlled by his "guards" - the taxi is riddled with bullets (pictures and video taken at the scene) and Mr.Akanat does not know who fired these bullets it was certainly not his PDRC guards!

There must be some really mean people out there at night in Bangkok walking around waiting for taxi passengers to open fire at Lumphini Park and then shooting these taxis to pieces just for fun!!!

Mr Akanat must think all of us are as "naive" as you - but of course you have to forgive him he deals mostly with people with the inability to inform themselves - cheering at every stupid insult he makes on stage against his own countrymen!

You would probably agree with him that It was very likely another case of people - or now taxis - "running into flying bullets" in Bangkok - seems to happen a lot here every time the gangster Suthep is around!

The taxi driver was attacked by PDRC thugs - I have seen the pictures of his taxi last night and the police report - he ran away and came back with the police- if you can not face the truce then don't insult us with your stupid - "it was the taxi drivers fault or his passenger's - or everybody else is lying in Thailand except your beloved PDRC!

My my, that sounds familiar. "The PDRC are attacking their own protestors to garner sympathy and create propaganda"

And WOW, if you saw the police report it must be true. thaksins little helpers never lie and follow the law to the letter. thaksin's little helpers don't really like the PDRC from memory.

You cannot back anything you said up from the above. I can refute that without links or evidence too and say The taxi driver's passenger attacked PDRC guards - I have seen the pictures of his taxi last night and the police report - the armed passenger ran away and then the police came (the CCTV footage will prove this)- if you can not face the truce then don't insult us ( I have omitted the stupid comment as it is goes against forum rules and only makes me look silly) - "it was the PDRC guards fault - or everybody else is lying in Thailand except your beloved red shirts!

Looking forward to the CCTV footage or will the police "misplace" this footage?

Edited March 10, 2014 by djjamie

[djjamie]

Reported elsewhere that there is another side to that one.

It says that shots were fired from the rear seat of the taxi towards the protesters and someone returned fire.

The truth ? I don't know.

Again your feeble attempts to defend these defenseless actions by the protest guard.

!. the guards caused the confrontation, by attempting to order citizens to leave a public park!

2. The guards are not peaceful unarmed protesters.

3. the article stated when the gunshots started the occupations of the taxi ran, did a gun fire by itself from inside the Taxi.

Could you kindly, advise us to the other source you stated had a different version of the incident!

Cheers

Hang on. When it is a bomb or gun fire aimed at "enemies" of the PTP it is the PDRC especially when no one was hurt according to you. These attacks forced the PDRC into Lumpini park in the first place yet you still say it is the PDRC forcing themselves into a park.

Now we have a taxi driver (with no passenger as witness because he mysteriously disappeared) who after having bullets fired at him is slightly grazed and is telling the media and police his version of events while no one else can collaborate it. I am sure that there will be no CCTV footage of this either. Mark my words, if they were the PDRC guards that attacked you can bet your farm tractor (that has to be repossessed) that the police would find the CCTV footage to back their claims.

So you read an OP that tells a taxi drivers version of events with no other witnesses and you have no idea what this taxi drivers back ground is. No CCTV footage yet you are adamant that this is gospel while sitting on your front patio drinking coffee. YET during a red shirt rally in Phichit, former Pheu Thai Waipote Arpornrat threatened the NACC, saying the graft-busting agency would find “hell on earth” if it dared to rule against the prime minister and the next day a hand grenade was thrown into the NACC compound and going by your wisdom and sound deductive reasoning it was a PDRC protestor.

That's PTP logic right there.

Okay, okay, the taxi driver shot himself, just as the guy a couple of days ago bound his own hands and feet and threw himself in the river.

Where does it say he was shot? "A bullet fragment" Now I am no ballistics expert, but either the bullet hits you or it doesn't. One would suggest that a piece of broken glass from the bullet hitting the window hit him. This could be from a drunk passenger firing from inside the taxi at a peaceful guard trying to defend innocent protestors.

Now if it is a PDRC guard firing at the taxi driver I look forward to the CCTV footage the police will present. And rest assured they will only present it if it suits their agenda.

[Thailand]

There must be all sorts of surveillance of Lumphini park and the whole surrounding area.

Surely that would be an essential part of the security forces who are there to oversee what is going on with the PDRC who will no doubt have their own outward surveillance?

[TallPalm]

Do these 'guards' have permits for these weapons? And under what circumstances are they permitted to discharge them?

What checks, if any, have been / are being made?

[max72]

Can't be true these guards are unarmed and peace loving guys, they don't even raise their voices. They throw rose petals to ward off unwanted guests.

yes they are the future of the new "rebooted" Thailand, the spirit of democracy and tollerance, the symbol of fairness and integrity.

;-) That';s ironic of course

[northernjohn]

Well what you say should hold true but if you have been following this government from the time it took power you would know that there was no opposition allowed in Parliament.

The Opposition was powerless because the sitting government had the majority with out the support of any one else. Remember it was the grass roots people who started this it was not a company or another political party. The unity came after there was several groups out there protesting without a leader. Suthep came along and took the reins and brought them all together. The PTP now listen but it is to late. They have painted themselves into a corner from which they can not escape.

Lets face it when we have a PRIME MINISTER who does not condemn groups that support her for suggesting openly separation of the country and when she finally does it is done on Facebook only after the Army has taken steps to deal with this obviously illegal action. We have a government that is completely ineffective. They can not even pay their bills.

As for the shooting well as you can see there is another side to the story. Is it true will we ever know who knows.

The one thing that is consistent is the anti opposition leaders have had to hire their own guards as has been shown time and again the police will not protect them.

Who tells the police what to do? I am not talking about public ordering them I am talking about the real orders that they follow.

I was here in Bangkok in 2008 and 2010 during those protests too. I was fiercely critical of the redshirts for staying over three months, the incendiary "death to the elites, burn the city" etc. speeches and also I remember the offstage interview just before the serious violence in 2010, in which the redshirt leader said "deaths among our numbers can only further our cause." I was highly critical of all this - just as I am highly critical of Suthep's actions these past few months.

I have also taken issue with Yingluck since before she was elected, when she did her almost commando-roll to avoid the news cameras asking her for a pre-election quick interview on what she believes in. I have criticised Yingluck for failing to attend Parliament and for failing to be more gladitorial in the debate arena. I consider the PTP passport-for-crims, rice-scam, kids-tabs and amnesty-bill to be utterly corrupt on many levels.

But that doesn't change the fact that state changes have to come from consensus at state level. There is no monolith on a hilltop somewhere that says "this is how it must be", and the parliamentary system is highly augmentable to suit the problems of a given nation. They need locks and regulations to prevent abuse of power in parliament, but these changes have to come at state level. Simply taking to the streets and toppling the system, while promising that your new system will be far less corrupt - this is not a solution. These are also the promises given by all dictators in history.

The problem at state is lack of regulation of members post-election, corruption in both main parties. Neither of those problems will be solved by having street-battles. Those problems have to be solved at state level by consensus and by willingness to take emergency measures to augment and fortify existing systems, instead of just toppling them by street-based overthrow movements. The problem is that the willingness is not there, and this applies to the groups behind Suthep too. They don't want the corrupt and unregulated political machine retuned if it will affect their own interests.

Another obvious point is that if the Dems rebranded and started acting in ways that had mass-appeal, they could eventually win an election, especially now the PTP star is fading. But the Dems don't do that because they represent certain views and groups who do not want to compromise any more than PTP do.

I was not here for the 2008 show so I will take your word for it.

I like the theory that you propose but in order for it to work you would need an educated voter. That is not the case here in Thailand. I do not believe it will be for quite a while. I may not have been here as long as you but I have been here long enough to know education is a very low priority for not only this government but previous one's.

As far as the protesting goes it is a free country. They are free to protest. I do not agree with the blocking of streets or occupation of buildings but I will take that any day over the red shirt ideas.

I believe in what Suthep is pushing for. He is not setting himself up as the head of the committee or for any other position. All though I am sure he would like it. As far as that go's so would I. In fact I would be perfect. I do not know enough about the details to comment. But I do know the difference between right and wrong is not the same as the difference between legal and illegal.

This government is not going to change in the next three generations if left to the current practice's. I do believe that there are many qualified Thailand loving open minded people to form a new interim Government and put teeth into the constitution and clarify it . I don't think it is that bad it just needs some tinkering with. Especially the clarification. To many opposite's in it.

What has happened in the streets is not a nice thing but hopefully it has pointed out the need to the people to change the way they are being ruled. It is for that fact that I back Suthep.

In my world I either back him or I say let the current corruption continue. As with yourself it is just my opinion and I really can not do any thing about it. Except at the personal level in helping my family get an education.

[larsjohnsson]

Those guards/thugs love to use their weapons. They beat you up or shot at you for nothing

[northernjohn]

Again your feeble attempts to defend these defenseless actions by the protest guard.

!. the guards caused the confrontation, by attempting to order citizens to leave a public park!

2. The guards are not peaceful unarmed protesters.

3. the article stated when the gunshots started the occupations of the taxi ran, did a gun fire by itself from inside the Taxi.

Could you kindly, advise us to the other source you stated had a different version of the incident!

Cheers

Hang on. When it is a bomb or gun fire aimed at "enemies" of the PTP it is the PDRC especially when no one was hurt according to you. These attacks forced the PDRC into Lumpini park in the first place yet you still say it is the PDRC forcing themselves into a park.

Now we have a taxi driver (with no passenger as witness because he mysteriously disappeared) who after having bullets fired at him is slightly grazed and is telling the media and police his version of events while no one else can collaborate it. I am sure that there will be no CCTV footage of this either. Mark my words, if they were the PDRC guards that attacked you can bet your farm tractor (that has to be repossessed) that the police would find the CCTV footage to back their claims.

So you read an OP that tells a taxi drivers version of events with no other witnesses and you have no idea what this taxi drivers back ground is. No CCTV footage yet you are adamant that this is gospel while sitting on your front patio drinking coffee. YET during a red shirt rally in Phichit, former Pheu Thai Waipote Arpornrat threatened the NACC, saying the graft-busting agency would find “hell on earth” if it dared to rule against the prime minister and the next day a hand grenade was thrown into the NACC compound and going by your wisdom and sound deductive reasoning it was a PDRC protestor.

That's PTP logic right there.

Okay, okay, the taxi driver shot himself, just as the guy a couple of days ago bound his own hands and feet and threw himself in the river.

Where does it say he was shot? "A bullet fragment" Now I am no ballistics expert, but either the bullet hits you or it doesn't. One would suggest that a piece of broken glass from the bullet hitting the window hit him. This could be from a drunk passenger firing from inside the taxi at a peaceful guard trying to defend innocent protestors.

Now if it is a PDRC guard firing at the taxi driver I look forward to the CCTV footage the police will present. And rest assured they will only present it if it suits their agenda.

Good point how does a fragment graze you if you are running. Also the guy was drunk.

Be interesting to see if their is any footage on film

What did the police say who were told to protect the PDRC? I am pretty sure that was one of Yingluck's directives before she went into seclusion.

[BestBitterPhuket]

I hope the taxi driver recovers from his injury with no lasting damage, and is able to return to driving his taxi soon.

These are the inevitable consequences of taking to the streets and demanding what is basically revolution, overthrow of a political system and kidnap of high level state persons etc. There are people out there who are quick to lose their cool when they feel they are part of some great historic moment and that they are the only true representatives of righteousness and justice. This is always the danger of taking politics away from the debating-floor and discussion-table, and onto the streets. It is a magnet for some very unstable violent extremist types who feel that "might is right" and words are superfluous. This of course applies to both sides of this directionless and grim factional squabble.

Well what you say should hold true but if you have been following this government from the time it took power you would know that there was no opposition allowed in Parliament.

The Opposition was powerless because the sitting government had the majority with out the support of any one else. Remember it was the grass roots people who started this it was not a company or another political party. The unity came after there was several groups out there protesting without a leader. Suthep came along and took the reins and brought them all together. The PTP now listen but it is to late. They have painted themselves into a corner from which they can not escape.

Lets face it when we have a PRIME MINISTER who does not condemn groups that support her for suggesting openly separation of the country and when she finally does it is done on Facebook only after the Army has taken steps to deal with this obviously illegal action. We have a government that is completely ineffective. They can not even pay their bills.

As for the shooting well as you can see there is another side to the story. Is it true will we ever know who knows.

The one thing that is consistent is the anti opposition leaders have had to hire their own guards as has been shown time and again the police will not protect them.

Who tells the police what to do? I am not talking about public ordering them I am talking about the real orders that they follow.

Grassroots? Hahaha! That's a good one. Since when did filthy rich ex-generals and businessmen evoke "grassroots".