Thai Army Chief denounces new UDD Chairman Jatuporn

[MunterHunter]

Jutaporn the Terrorist is in charge of the UDD now... thats a scarey thought... The Head of the Army is now denoucing this guy and the other red nutter (Kho Tee?) is threatening civil war if the courts remove Yingluck.

This is the end game guys, there will be much blood on the streets of thailand by the time these two have butted heads... and thailand will become either a Democratic country free from the Dictorial clutches of Thaksin, or will become a Republic with Thaksin in total control of the country.

Red, Yellow, Black, Blue, Green, pink or no colour... hold onto your hats, Ladies and Gentlemen, war is coming.

Edited March 17, 2014 by MunterHunter

[scorecard]

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Kinda crazy that they put a controvertial person as leader. NOT a smart move politically. They are a political party, correct? Amazing.

After the recent outburst from the paymaster about poor performance / lack of strength and lacking gung ho of the recent incumbents, just wondering whether this is a very deliberate 'reassignment'.

Also strange in a way, jatuporn lost out totally in not getting a 'reward' post in government and there were rumors he was considered too 'loud' / had too much to say / lacking in focus / just too controversial.

[DeeMaiDee]

Jatuporn is now riding the back of an angry Tiger... With a target painted on his face...Stupid boy,,,

[dru2]

Not surprising he did that. I mean Jatuporn! Really?!

As bad as Thida was, she was still considered a moderate red shirt, which isn't saying much. But Jatuporn is an extremist. He's only one step below Ko Tee. For the army chief to come out and directly denounce him shows how bad the situation is. Things are going to get bad.

At least Jatuporn is easy on the eyes..

What? Maybe if you are a female buffalo...

[PoorSucker]

Post advocating violence removed.

[Dogmatix]

Gen. Prayuth went on to stress that he would likewise display the same hostility toward the anti-government protesters if they had organised separatist movements and insulted the Royal Family…

Remember these words.

As Jatuporn ratchets up the temperature he is bound to give tacit or overt support to the separatist concept and make thinly veiled allegations about the royal family and the privy council. If they is no coup, he has to find a palpable bogeyman to stir up hatred. Suthep is not enough, as he is just one man with no real power of his own who can theoretically be dealt with by the law and probably will be soon. So it is important to build up the image of Suthep as a puppet controlled by shadowy amart figures who hate democracy, just as YL is portrayed as a puppet controlled by a paranoid schizophrenic in Dubai. Also keep in mind that the PDR Lanna separatists have been widely using the red and white flag that first appeared during the red shirt riots in 2009 when they came out to protest the confiscate of Thaksin's assets. The significance of this flag is that it is a parody of the Thai flag that is red (for nation), white (for religion) and blue (for monarchy). The significance of the missing colour is immediately obvious to any Thai.

[fab4]

"But Mr. Jatupon's rise to the helm of the UDD apparently did not please Gen. Prayuth Chan-Ocha, who implied in a press conference that Mr. Jatupon and his fellow Redshirts activists will not be respected by the military, as they have previously committed unspecified illegal actions."

Whereas on March 7th:

Gen. Prayuth stated that all sides should work together for the good of the country, and that the army does not discriminate against supporters of any color in the political spectrum.

That was from an article entitled "Army Chief urges peace in the country". I don't suppose prauth does irony, he probably thinks that it was an attempt to criticise the army.

Who would want to criticise the army, they're beyond criticism, literally beyond criticism, apparently.

[kuthow]

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Kinda crazy that they put a controvertial person as leader. NOT a smart move politically. They are a political party, correct? Amazing.

After the recent outburst from the paymaster about poor performance / lack of strength and lacking gung ho of the recent incumbents, just wondering whether this is a very deliberate 'reassignment'.

Also strange in a way, jatuporn lost out totally in not getting a 'reward' post in government and there were rumors he was considered too 'loud' / had too much to say / lacking in focus / just too controversial.

Jatuporn was rewarded for his years of faithful violent devotion to Thaksin with a Pheu Thai Party-list MP number in the top 10.

He was, however, subsequently stripped of his MP position because he had failed to comply with mandatory voting laws. He had failed to vote because he was incarcerated at the time for repeatedly violating the conditons of his bail on a multitude of his outstanding criminal charges.

[Dogmatix]

Probably the best decision that the Reds could have made to gain infamy......having Jatuporn in charge of these thugs, has now made them the enemy of the Thai military...good move for Thailand.

Lets see what happens now.....one wrong move, hopefully, will make the Kwanchai failed attempt seem like kindergarten stuff!

Good point. The military don't want a coup but that doesn't mean they will sit idly by if Jatuporn appears to be ordering terrorist acts, insulting the monarchy, and/or supporting separatist movements.

The attempted assassination of Kwanchai was botched but seemed rather strange if they the masterminds really used a mixed team including some hardened NCOs from Kanchanaburi and an amateur village defence volunteer from the deep South, who was already in trouble with the authorities and would stick out like a thumb in Udon with his Southern accent. Doesn't seem to suggest there was high level military involvement. However, it seems likely that they do have the capability to pull off sophisticated operations on the level of the Seh Daeng assassination, not long after he claimed responsibility for the assassination of Col Romklao and the attempted assassination of Maj Gen Wilit. They also have a not very savoury reputation sending terror teams to shoot up tea shops in the South which are laughingly blamed on the insurgents themselves. The mid year reshuffle has cemented Prayuth's control of the army in Bangkok under a die hard loyalist who happened to be in command of the troops on the ground around the Dusit Thani at the time of Seh Daeng's sudden demise. If there is sufficient provocation, don't expect a coup but expect more assassination attempts against red shirt leaders that will be blamed on internal red shirt power struggles.

Anyway the leadership change of the red shirts from the more conciliatory and idealistic Thida to the confrontational style of Jatuporn is clearly a calculated move intended to ratchet up the violence and provocation to show displeasure for younger sister's upcoming indictment, according to Thaksin's interpretation of Mosaic law - you knock out one of my teeth and I will knock out all of yours - that was exemplified by the assault rifle attack and two attempted bombings in retribution for the whistle blowing attack against his ex-wife.

[antimedia]

Dumb move.Thida was bad enough.

"The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics, and he did not want to "push the people" into any particular side."

But isn't that exactly what he is doing?

No!

[Dogmatix]

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Kinda crazy that they put a controvertial person as leader. NOT a smart move politically. They are a political party, correct? Amazing.

After the recent outburst from the paymaster about poor performance / lack of strength and lacking gung ho of the recent incumbents, just wondering whether this is a very deliberate 'reassignment'.

Also strange in a way, jatuporn lost out totally in not getting a 'reward' post in government and there were rumors he was considered too 'loud' / had too much to say / lacking in focus / just too controversial.

Jatuporn was rewarded for his years of faithful violent devotion to Thaksin with a Pheu Thai Party-list MP number in the top 10.

He was, however, subsequently stripped of his MP position because he had failed to comply with mandatory voting laws. He had failed to vote because he was incarcerated at the time for repeatedly violating the conditons of his bail on a multitude of his outstanding criminal charges.

Thaksin and Yingluck were obviously delighted by his banning as an MP and may even have paid under the table for it because it gave them an excuse to renege on their promise to give him a cabinet position which would have made him an extreme liability while they still believed they could benefit from the amnesty bill, the 2.2 trn baht and the rice pledging scam. Now that all those goodies have been blown up and Chalerm and Surapong have failed them, they need Jatuporn again as a last resort. Perhaps they hope that he will be assassinated quite quickly, once he has outlived his usefulness, and may even want to arrange for it themselves, so they can create a martyr and be freed of any obligations to give Jatuporn a cabinet position in the future. If it were to happen, in-fighting within the red shirt movement would be a cause that could not be dismissed out of hand.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Dogmatix

[Baerboxer]

The general is forced to make these comments as the caretaker defense minister doesn't do comments.

Jatuporn is on bail awaiting trial proceedings on terrorism. He will also appear before the courts soon for breaching the terms of his bail and openly makes his aggressive stance known.

Making him leader is Thaksin's way of saying - "don't try and remove his bail and watch out if court decisions go against my sister".

Doesn't really matter about what's right or wrong, legal or illegal. Thaksin still thinks he and all his mob are above and beyond the law.

He will also want a more ruthless minded person in command of the red shirts for when he tries to get the caretaker puppet YL regime to enact the Amnesty Whitewash bill into law. Someone who doesn't mind ordering others (no bottle himself) to commit violence.

The red militia is being recruited ready for the Amnesty Bill enactment backlash. That's why all the games to keep YL in the caretaker role. Once that's done. he'll be back to take over.

Peaceful protest will be crushed by the RTP and his militia who will claim defending democracy and the rule of law etc. The army will have no choice but to intervene and the puppet will cry coup, coup coup, and claim all charges against her and the gang are politically motivated.

This provocation clearly looks like the caddy has decided the stakes are so high they warrant risking all.

[antimedia]

Of course the Army Pooh Bah is impartial and above politics.

The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics

Presumably a wink-wing, nudge-nudge accompanied this massive prevarication? Yes he speaks daily about political issues? Go figure.

So the new UDD leader is bandit, has committed unspecified illegal actions, has no honor.

I thought there were libel/slander laws here? But maybe those only apply to the "other side".

So the other side is who? Yellow movement, White group, Democrats, PDRC, Luang Pu Buddha Issara and his group, Students, Military, The Phantom business backers of Suthep, the Indepedent agencies, Courts and the list goes on.

Or is it all of the above as the Reds / PTP keep whining about them all.

[Scamper]

Khaosod may have difficulty digesting Pruyuth's words, but for many they will come as a breath of fresh air. Indeed, Jatuporn is everything that Prayuth says he is. And the UDD is everything that he implies it is. Thank goodness. Prayuth has shifted in recent weeks. Throughout the past four months he has said very little, and towed a very cautious line. But the secessionist calls from Ko Tee, Thida, Jatuporn, Nuttawut, Charupong and company - they have clearly upset him. And it shows. Prayuth is loyal to the constitution and to an indivisible Thailand. What the UDD has come out with in recent weeks has shocked the Thai people. So it naturally shocks Prayuth, as well. But more than anything, these comments that he is making are clear attempts to keep the secessionist movement from gaining traction. He clearly concludes that to say nothing merely encourages it. But there is a larger dynamic at play. The UDD has been gearing up their rhetoric to unleash their supporters in the event of an " unsatisfactory " ruling by the NACC. If that happens, and the independent agencies find themselves threatened, Prayuth will be forced to defend them. Of all the UDD leaders, Jatuporn is the most volatile, and has the greatest tendency to push the envelope. There is more than a streak of megalomania, and a hint of instability.

[monkeycountry]

I think it is great that the red shirts have decided to have Jatuporn as their leader. He is even more extreme than Tida, and therefore likely to take the red shirts down an even more extreme path, further isolating them from moderate Thais. The fact that the army chief seems to literally hate Jatuporn makes the choice even better.

[LuckyLew]

Are the people in the photo the finalists for Thailand ugliest person?

[Pi Sek]

Gen. Prayuth went on to stress that he would likewise display the same hostility toward the anti-government protesters if they had organised separatist movements and insulted the Royal Family…

Remember these words.

As Jatuporn ratchets up the temperature he is bound to give tacit or overt support to the separatist concept and make thinly veiled allegations about the royal family and the privy council. If they is no coup, he has to find a palpable bogeyman to stir up hatred. Suthep is not enough, as he is just one man with no real power of his own who can theoretically be dealt with by the law and probably will be soon. So it is important to build up the image of Suthep as a puppet controlled by shadowy amart figures who hate democracy, just as YL is portrayed as a puppet controlled by a paranoid schizophrenic in Dubai. Also keep in mind that the PDR Lanna separatists have been widely using the red and white flag that first appeared during the red shirt riots in 2009 when they came out to protest the confiscate of Thaksin's assets. The significance of this flag is that it is a parody of the Thai flag that is red (for nation), white (for religion) and blue (for monarchy). The significance of the missing colour is immediately obvious to any Thai.

Whilst I empathise with your suspicions, strictly speaking the white is for "faith", not "religion".

[metisdead]

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[HonestQuietBob]

Are the people in the photo the finalists for Thailand ugliest person?

I see you don't use your own image for your avatar.

C'mon gives us a look you studmuffin

[dru2]

Are the people in the photo the finalists for Thailand ugliest person?

I see you don't use your own image for your avatar.

C'mon gives us a look you studmuffin

Had to look this one up:

stud muffin. Part of Speech: n. Definition: a sexually attractive (and often sexually active) young man.

[Issangeorge]

"Well-known Pheu Thai MP and longtime Redshirts activist, Mr. Jatupon Prompan, was appointed the new chairman of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) over the weekend, replacing Ms. Thida Thavornseth."

Where is the democracy in appointing someone? Aren't these the same bunch fighting against Suthep's idea of an appointed reform council? And exactly who appointed him, his pay master the man from Dubai. I don't believe the northerners and northeasters are stupid, but boy to continue to support the Redshirts they sure are gullible.

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[firestar]

Wouldn't be a political thread if we didn't have a 1,2,3 post of BKKjames, Costas2008 and TVGerry with the yellow rhetoric. H90 only made it at 15 I expect better.

This is a Farang site but it's a fair reflection of Thai society where a small, often hypocritical, minority end up talking amongst themselves giving each other self congratulatory pats on the back.

[MunterHunter]

Wouldn't be a political thread if we didn't have a 1,2,3 post of BKKjames, Costas2008 and TVGerry with the yellow rhetoric. H90 only made it at 15 I expect better.

This is a Farang site but it's a fair reflection of Thai society where a small, often hypocritical, minority end up talking amongst themselves giving each other self congratulatory pats on the back.

So will the other small, often hypocritical, minority end up crying and shouting when their precious Yingluck gets thrown out and put in jail?

[binjalin]

Dumb move.Thida was bad enough.

"The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics, and he did not want to "push the people" into any particular side."

But isn't that exactly what he is doing?

Yes

[rickirs]

"Gen. Prayuth gave a emphatic no. "He doesn't have enough honour for me to correspond with, and he never shows any honour for anyone".....Gen. Prayuth also expressed his "pity" for the Redshirts to have "an immoral man" as their leader."

So much for nuetrality of the military, back to 2010 in deciding who he will protect (PDRC) and not protect (PTP). A military commander is not required nor is it appropriate to publicly like any politician. For Prayuth to show clear hostility towards the PTP and its leadership in the absence of any hostilities is corruption of leadership and he should resign.

[In Town]

For me, a man in charge of an army that would happily shoot its own citizens, a man that leads an army that rules the country with an iron fist, should not be speaking of honour. What we are talking about here is power, raw and naked...

[Gweiloman]

Are the people in the photo the finalists for Thailand ugliest person?

How pathetic can one get?

[firestar]

Wouldn't be a political thread if we didn't have a 1,2,3 post of BKKjames, Costas2008 and TVGerry with the yellow rhetoric. H90 only made it at 15 I expect better.

This is a Farang site but it's a fair reflection of Thai society where a small, often hypocritical, minority end up talking amongst themselves giving each other self congratulatory pats on the back.

So will the other small, often hypocritical, minority end up crying and shouting when their precious Yingluck gets thrown out and put in jail?

No water off my back if she goes.

[pmugghc]

I find it disturbing the RTP seems so unwilling/ineffective to enforce the laws in this country. So many from both sides that should be in front if the judiciary. How can anyone argue Jatuporn hasn't broken his bail conditions? Seems just the small potatoes get in jail, never ever a bigwig.

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Edited March 17, 2014 by pmugghc

[SICHONSTEVE]

Of course the Army Pooh Bah is impartial and above politics.

The army chief also claimed he had no intention to take side in politics

Presumably a wink-wing, nudge-nudge accompanied this massive prevarication? Yes he speaks daily about political issues? Go figure.

So the new UDD leader is bandit, has committed unspecified illegal actions, has no honor.

I thought there were libel/slander laws here? But maybe those only apply to the "other side".

Slander and libel are lies meant to sully someone's reputation so I hardly think That his accurate description of Jatuporn qualifies as this!!!