Army chief warns redshirt hardcore leaders of tough retaliation if force is used

[northernjohn]

There's a lot of personal enmity between Prayuth and Jutaporn.

Let's hope they can stick to the childish name calling and taunting and no innocents end up dead.

The army have never been so much on the back foot in Thailand as it is nowadays.

It looks like a real changing of the guard is occurring in this nation.

Civilian rule of the military appears to be on the way - about time Thailand caught up with the rest of the modern world.

You are rite. How ever as long as you have a Government that is ruled by one man only you have what is known as a dictatorship and it is good the Army is not under his thumb. Bad enough the police are.

"One moron to rule them all"...this statement is good for any color

So many different colors here. Many of them are multicolored such as the anti government protestors. They have no candidate for the job. On the other hand even though they are not in the race the Democrats have the best over all ability to rule the country and they do not have a leader with the power to ignore the public and quash any one he disagrees with or sick a gang of red shirted thugs on to them.

Here in Thailand strange as it is to say we only have one party with a leader who has that kind of power and he is a fleeing convicted criminal which doesn't say much about the quality of people who support him.

It is actions such as his that prompt people to say Thais only care about money.

Most of those are Thai bashers and unable to see what the regular Thai citizens are like. Or lock them selves up in surroundings which do not include Thais just Ex Pats.

[northernjohn]

The position CIC General Prayuth adopts is one of a neutral stance, he will say the same for the Democrats or anybody else who wants to speak of civil disobedience attacking the military, raiding banks , government institutions, forming their own military , etc , the principal part of this was the type of people who are regarded as leaders, the honour and high regard they create, General Prayuth passed these hardcore so called leaders off as nobody's, it is also the duty of the military to protect the people of Thailand , it is the police who supposedly are their too up hold the law , two vastly different subjects Gentlemen.

neutral?

Well in as corrupt a government as Thailand has it is hard to stay neutral.

There are those who claim it or back the corruption but a check of their bank accounts might explain their position.

[Crushdepth]

Now if only they would have used tough retaliation against the Southerners........ how many years has the South been in turmoil, wanting to breakaway from Thailand - wonder why they only start talking tough when it comes from Northerners.....?

It was tough talk and shabby treatment from Thaksin's government that inflamed the south from the odd pipe bomb every couple of years into a full blown insurgency that has cost thousands of lives. Using force against a home grown guerilla movement does not work.

UDD is in no way comparable to the southern problem.

[bkkjames]

There shouldn't be an over-reaction to the UDD, the way i see it is the udd is not creating terrorism now, but if the pad/pdrc succeed in replacing elected govts with appointed govts..thats what we had with abhisit-an appointed govt, thats when there was a revolt, some of it was an armed revolt that lead to the 2010 violence, but as long as an elected govt stays in place there is no terrorism or revolt from the red side..

I think you forgot to add at the very end.... and push for amnesty, changing the constitution...

[northernjohn]

To the UDD or red foreign supporters.

You know very well who Jatuporn is and what he represents.

Please, stop writing nonsense postings, supporting him, even if you like Yingluck and her brother.

This man will put Thailand into a bloodbath.

I understand Sutherp disturbed you from your cosy lives.

This man will oblige you to pack and go back to were you came from.

Yes we know who he is and what he represents. We also know what he is.

It is a sign of lack of morals when you have to resort to having the court jester take over the reins of power.

I think a good look at how he has ignored his mother will give you a good idea of how much he cares about people. The man is a big enough fool to have secret ambitions of becoming number one ahead of Thaksin. Just not quite foolish enough to let people know it.

They should pull his bail and try him and put him in Jail where he belongs.

[Pimay1]

The UDD represents democracy, one vote-one person, if they use violence-it is to that end. the PAD/PDRC on the other hand-which is what the military is aligning itself with-are fascists, they want to end democracy in this country and have it ruled by an elitist dictatorship, the fascists are trying to create divisions.

I wandered how many posts before the f would would come up. The only thing missing is the t word.

[northernjohn]

There shouldn't be an over-reaction to the UDD, the way i see it is the udd is not creating terrorism now, but if the pad/pdrc succeed in replacing elected govts with appointed govts..thats what we had with abhisit-an appointed govt, thats when there was a revolt, some of it was an armed revolt that lead to the 2010 violence, but as long as an elected govt stays in place there is no terrorism or revolt from the red side..

I think you forgot to add at the very end.... and push for amnesty, changing the constitution...

He also neglected to say that Yingluck became Prime Minister using the same exact system as Abhist. Does that make he an appointed Prime Minister?

a good way he said the way he sees it instead of the way it is. allows for all kinds of foolishness and he takes advantage of it.

[BKKBrit]

Prayuth has never been this vocal. He usually prefers no comment or such vague responses no one can read into them. IMO, this is the prelude to military intervention - sooner, rather than later.

[GeorgeO]

The UDD represents democracy, one vote-one person, if they use violence-it is to that end. the PAD/PDRC on the other hand-which is what the military is aligning itself with-are fascists, they want to end democracy in this country and have it ruled by an elitist dictatorship, the fascists are trying to create divisions.

What planet do you live on, planet Thaksin.

UDD represents democracy - of course you jest, and Oh! we can use violence to get our way like we have always done - at the directions of a fugitive criminal.

Whatever credibility pkspeaker had, if any, just completely evaporated on the basis of that twisted statement which fails to even acknowledge that rule by an elitist dictator is exactly what Thaksin has been striving for all these years...!

[HonestQuietBob]

There's a lot of personal enmity between Prayuth and Jutaporn.

Let's hope they can stick to the childish name calling and taunting and no innocents end up dead.

The army have never been so much on the back foot in Thailand as it is nowadays.

It looks like a real changing of the guard is occurring in this nation.

Civilian rule of the military appears to be on the way - about time Thailand caught up with the rest of the modern world.

You are rite. How ever as long as you have a Government that is ruled by one man only you have what is known as a dictatorship and it is good the Army is not under his thumb. Bad enough the police are.

"One moron to rule them all"...this statement is good for any color

So many different colors here. Many of them are multicolored such as the anti government protestors. They have no candidate for the job. On the other hand even though they are not in the race the Democrats have the best over all ability to rule the country and they do not have a leader with the power to ignore the public and quash any one he disagrees with or sick a gang of red shirted thugs on to them.

Here in Thailand strange as it is to say we only have one party with a leader who has that kind of power and he is a fleeing convicted criminal which doesn't say much about the quality of people who support him.

It is actions such as his that prompt people to say Thais only care about money.

Most of those are Thai bashers and unable to see what the regular Thai citizens are like. Or lock them selves up in surroundings which do not include Thais just Ex Pats.

"Democrats have the best over all ability to rule the country"

Based on what?

As far as I'm aware these guys have been in the game the longest and therefore bare most the the responsibility for the complete mess the political system is in.

They actually built the system.

The lack of transparency, the corruption, the politicisation of the courts etc etc....

To repeat, the clowns in this party built the system that Thaksin then inherited.

Thaksin may have nicked a dollar or two - but he did so only by copying the example set by the old boys of the Democrat party.

Whatever remaining credibility they had Suthep has well and truly pissed away down the drain.

I say, thank god they're finished and will never be in a position to run the country again.

[djjamie]

It is a shame when the military have to step in to ensure the brutal terrorists from 2010 do not step up their violence, looting and burning in the name of one principle of democracy none the less (elections). Through these very actions they are breaking most of the other principles of democracy and the law. The police are under thaksins control through adul who after visiting thaksin and having his photo hanging up in his office has made it very clear which side of the law he truly represents. When adul is put into the position of police chief by an unelectable, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist convicted criminal fugitive that speaks volumes about his loyalties not to mention his morales.

When you have a police chief who's moral compass is so misaligned is it any wonder that the police are essentially red shirts in uniform. Of course not. A fool could see the alignment between the police that are supposed to preserve the law and protect the people being aligned with a terrorist group whose sole job it is to break the law and terrorize the people. An extension of thaksins contempt for anyone with opposing views is projected onto Daeng. Police Senior Sergeant Major Daeng. He is also a UDD leader from Chon Buri. He was on stage with other provincial chapter leaders behind him and he took the mic and said he had good news to announce to the audience and to red-shirt supporters throughout the country via the Asia Update TV program me. Remember that this is a policeman. His "good news" was about how on Saturday night, gunmen in two pickup trucks hurled grenades and sprayed bullets at the PDRC stage at Yingcharoen market in Khao Saming district in Trat and that people were injured and killed. THIS IS A POLICEMAN (just in case you forgot) After the rapturous applause and cheering died down on hearing this "good news" the policeman (yep, he is a cop) continued his speech, saying the PDRC protesters deserved what they got. Now I understand some find it hard to concentrate when hearing news that shine the UDD in a bad light, but again, he is a policeman that is an extension of thaksins frustration of his electoral futility

​So when one says the police are aligned with an elected, legitimate government I deduce 2 things from that and propose 1. Deduction 1/ They are obviously unable to grasp that the 2014 elections have not been tabulated yet and Deduction 2/ their idea of legitimacy is very warped. Propose - The government by all accounts, and going by this logic, are in fact the catalyst behind all this thus making them the illegitimate entity.

This is why the army have to step in and to have to explain that beggars belief and highlights the utter blind devotion that one must hold towards a group that openly pronounce looting, burning and attacking people. What is even more astounding is they are unable to even defend it, but compare it to something, anything else to justify it. This highlights the slide into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced and before one knows it they are defending the very ethos they are trying to denounce.

Personally I am looking forward to thaksin being knocked from his unelected pretentious pedestal. Of course unlike the terrorist wing of the PTP, I would hope it is done through legal means and within the democratic framework.

[HonestQuietBob]

To the UDD or red foreign supporters.

You know very well who Jatuporn is and what he represents.

Please, stop writing nonsense postings, supporting him, even if you like Yingluck and her brother.

This man will put Thailand into a bloodbath.

I understand Sutherp disturbed you from your cosy lives.

This man will oblige you to pack and go back to were you came from.

Yes we know who he is and what he represents. We also know what he is.

It is a sign of lack of morals when you have to resort to having the court jester take over the reins of power.

I think a good look at how he has ignored his mother will give you a good idea of how much he cares about people. The man is a big enough fool to have secret ambitions of becoming number one ahead of Thaksin. Just not quite foolish enough to let people know it.

They should pull his bail and try him and put him in Jail where he belongs.

Jutaporn is a bloke who returns serve.

The Reds have played a quiet game up until now.

They're slowly ramping up, just at the right time as the courts are dipping their toes into the water.

Jutaporn coming to the fore is a warning to the coup mongers.

This time the opposition to your illegal actions will be anything but meek.

Better you reconsider your foolishness, what worked before won't work again, so just pack up your tents and go home.

[smileydude]

I think the military has shown much restraint so far and are trying to remain neutral if there is actually such a thing.

Jatuporn, Ko Tee and the UDD have always shown a tendency for violent rhetoric and history has shown us as such.

Like another poster said this is actually the job of the police to maintain law and order but since the police have shown which side they take the army has to involve itself in something that is not in its job description.

I'm concerned that the puppeteer via the UDD is purposely pushing the army's back into the corner to force a coup which would only strengthen Thaksin's legitimacy and allow for the faux struggle between the elites and the poor to continue when in actuality it is nothing more then a power struggle.

Everybody is being set up to be pitted against each other at the expense of the country just for one man.

Edited March 18, 2014 by smileydude

[Rimmer]

One post in Latin removed

English is the only acceptable language, except within the Thai language forum, where of course using Thai is allowed.

[Just1Voice]

Sighhhh, it's gonna get ugly.

[rubl]

You are rite. How ever as long as you have a Government that is ruled by one man only you have what is known as a dictatorship and it is good the Army is not under his thumb. Bad enough the police are.

"One moron to rule them all"...this statement is good for any color

So many different colors here. Many of them are multicolored such as the anti government protestors. They have no candidate for the job. On the other hand even though they are not in the race the Democrats have the best over all ability to rule the country and they do not have a leader with the power to ignore the public and quash any one he disagrees with or sick a gang of red shirted thugs on to them.

Here in Thailand strange as it is to say we only have one party with a leader who has that kind of power and he is a fleeing convicted criminal which doesn't say much about the quality of people who support him.

It is actions such as his that prompt people to say Thais only care about money.

Most of those are Thai bashers and unable to see what the regular Thai citizens are like. Or lock them selves up in surroundings which do not include Thais just Ex Pats.

"Democrats have the best over all ability to rule the country"

Based on what?

As far as I'm aware these guys have been in the game the longest and therefore bare most the the responsibility for the complete mess the political system is in.

They actually built the system.

The lack of transparency, the corruption, the politicisation of the courts etc etc....

To repeat, the clowns in this party built the system that Thaksin then inherited.

Thaksin may have nicked a dollar or two - but he did so only by copying the example set by the old boys of the Democrat party.

Whatever remaining credibility they had Suthep has well and truly pissed away down the drain.

I say, thank god they're finished and will never be in a position to run the country again.

Progress thy name is Thaksin?

St. Thaksin who just nicked the odd Baht to become an Amply rich fellow who finances an armed insurrection and has the gall to make statements like "who am I to do such" and "I'm a golf caddy giving advise" followed by "I'm in charge" and his younger sister lying in parliament "I"m in charge".

Oh boy, it's the others obviously, not us decent, democratic minded red-shirts who just want to rob banks to finance our final struggle against those others. Now what was it new UDD boss Jatuporn said "final battle, but no violence" ?

[monkeycountry]

Gen Prayuth is my new hero :-)

[Fat Haggis]

If you're going to "talk the talk" you had better make sure you can always "walk the walk"

Last thing Thailand needs is any form of insurgency in the North, or even Central, if anyone here has been involved in one before, it's no cake walk, you're fighting Ghosts, and not the ones from a Call of Duty Game either!!

[fab4]

The position CIC General Prayuth adopts is one of a neutral stance, he will say the same for the Democrats or anybody else who wants to speak of civil disobedience attacking the military, raiding banks , government institutions, forming their own military , etc , the principal part of this was the type of people who are regarded as leaders, the honour and high regard they create, General Prayuth passed these hardcore so called leaders off as nobody's, it is also the duty of the military to protect the people of Thailand , it is the police who supposedly are their too up hold the law , two vastly different subjects Gentlemen.

Neutral! Need I remind you

“We should come out to vote to solve the country’s problems by picking good people,” Prayuth said, according to a video on the website of the army-controlled Channel 7 station. He told voters not to pick the “same thing” in elections, the last four of which have been won by parties loyal to Thaksin. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-15/thai-army-warns-voters-over-elections-won-t-tolerate-insults-to-royalty.html

[gabruce]

To the UDD or red foreign supporters.

You know very well who Jatuporn is and what he represents.

Please, stop writing nonsense postings, supporting him, even if you like Yingluck and her brother.

This man will put Thailand into a bloodbath.

I understand Sutherp disturbed you from your cosy lives.

This man will oblige you to pack and go back to were you came from.

+1

If Jatuporn gets his way this place will deffo be in civil war, and I can bet you a pound to a penny, when it happens, it will be an idiot from the UDD who will stand up first and blame the foreigners and send the red army to hunt them down and destroy them and remove their properties.

I hope the UDD supporting farang are the first to be put to their end, kicking and screaming 'but I'm on your side, I'm on your side'...

You just carry on criticizing the army and supporting the likes of Ko Tee.... I guarantee if you get to see the big red uprising that you are waiting for.... Don't be surprised when you are running for your life from these reds and straight to the army for protection.

I hope very much that you are wrong.

[fab4]

Meanwhile sutheps attempts at goading the army into clashes with the UDD continue. He's even broadcast his intent on stage

At the Lumphini protest stage Monday night, Suthep Thaugsuban also challenged Jatuporn and Kotee to come out in arms to battle anti-government protesters to protect the Yingluck government.

He said if they really come out with guns, he would not fight back but would lead all protesters back home and stay inside homes.

He said if the redshirts come out with guns, then they would see to it that soldiers would be ready to use force as they could no longer put up with them any longer for the abuses and rude scolds they hit on their army boss.

Someone arrest this war mongering dinosaur before he gets his wish, (and you can apply that description to two of the people mentioned here).

[rreddin]

No surprise here.... just a friendly warning. Jatuporn was chosen to replace Thida who was considered too soft and he has already been issuing threats.

The army's leaning towards the Democrats balances the police's bias towards the Thaksinistas. At least that keeps a balance that prevents the two side from destroying the country completely.

You are right. No surprise here. Except that the army's carefully managed facade of neutrality has slipped and shown the people of the North and North East exactly where their true allegiences lie. This, of course, has been suspected for some time. Now there is no doubt.

My first thought was that the army missed an opportunity, but I believe the general is too smart for that. He knew exactly what he was doing and he chose his words carefully.

[Fryslan boppe]

Jatuporn had quite a lengthy response to Prayuth's provocations, but I don't read any of it in the media...A lot about Prayuth's bleatings though...Unless I missed it.

[dcutman]

Jatuporn had quite a lengthy response to Prayuth's provocations, but I don't read any of it in the media...A lot about Prayuth's bleatings though...Unless I missed it.

Well post it then, lets hear the long response, from your hero. And if not in the media how did you hear it?

Edited March 18, 2014 by dcutman

[ChrisY1]

The police should take the lead here, not the Army, the Army continues to align itself with the PAD/PDRC which creates even more division.

Well...I agree....the police should take the lead...but, they won't do anything...they're useless.....Prayuth understands this and so do we....at least he's taking a lead and about time someone did!

[BuddyPinkham]

The UDD represents democracy, one vote-one person, if they use violence-it is to that end. the PAD/PDRC on the other hand-which is what the military is aligning itself with-are fascists, they want to end democracy in this country and have it ruled by an elitist dictatorship, the fascists are trying to create divisions.

You certainly do like using the word FACIST don't you?

[Fryslan boppe]

Jatuporn had quite a lengthy response to Prayuth's provocations, but I don't read any of it in the media...A lot about Prayuth's bleatings though...Unless I missed it.

Well post it then, lets hear the long response, from your hero. And if not in the media how did you hear it?

It was in a lengthy speech on AsiaUpdate earlier today, but I have no Thai speakers here at the moment, to translate it.

Would be interesting tho'......

One thing I would tell Prayuth if I was Jatuporn..."You got the guns, we got the people".......And not conveniently bunched up at R'song as in 2010, but all over the country, by the millions.

And believe me, Jatuporn could mobilize them, and quickly.

Can't quite get a handle on why all this over-the-top vitriol directed at Jatuporn, even personal, now that he is head of one of the largest voting blocks in the country......

The phrase comes up, "Me thinks they protest too much"....The PAD-Dem's are obviously spooked. I wonder what their main worry is.

>"Army chief warns redshirt hardcore leaders...."

I wonder who the PAD-Dem hardcore leaders are?

I notice in PAD-Dem pronouncements and media, all the leaders of the UDD/RS's are 'hard core'.....Thereby trying to attach a stigma of anarchism.....

Other than being disrespectful of a huge swath of the Thai electorate, it is grossly biased reporting.

Makes one thankful for Electoral Democracy---again.....such biased smoke has never affected the electorate, to my admiration. Electoral results both past and the current one, which scares the bejeebers out of the PAD-dem's, prove it.

Edited March 18, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[SICHONSTEVE]

The police should take the lead here, not the Army, the Army continues to align itself with the PAD/PDRC which creates even more division.

It is the army's responsibility to protect the people, monarchy and it's national security and nothing to do with the police (which is a good thing as they are toothless and run by Thaksin)!!.

It is not a case of the army aligning itself with the PAD/PDRC it is more a case of the PTP/UDD alienating themselves from the army with their call to arms and attacking of the people (for which it is the army's duty to protect them from attacks from external forces).

With Promphan and Ko Tee (especially) threatening the army with a fight then it is hardly surprising that he has an issue with them!!

The PDRC, on the other hand are protesting peacefully and co operating with the army. That's the difference.

[HonestQuietBob]

One post in Latin removed

English is the only acceptable language, except within the Thai language forum, where of course using Thai is allowed.

I am impressed that a TV poster knows Latin.

What a classy bunch we are.

[JamesDean3]

The police should take the lead here, not the Army, the Army continues to align itself with the PAD/PDRC which creates even more division.

I guess you have never been acquainted with the Thai Police.....