Thai Constitutional Court voids February election

[oldsailor35]

How about a charge of Treason, for inciting people to boycott the elections also for blocking access to voting venues with violence, and preventing candidates from registering,

[commie Joe]

I will keep restating the obvious, this whole debacle is a direct result of allowing a fugitive on the run from Justice the freedom to dictate policy, appoint the prime minister and Gov actions from Dubai. That fact negates everything else going on due to the scale of corruption and abuse being perpetrated across the country including in the so called Issan heartlands.

The Shins are what are preventing the development of real democracy in Thailand. PTP need another leader untainted by the shame of the Shin clan and then some semblance of Thai politics can return.

The notion that the Shins will be allowed to just carry on is a fantasy and step by step they are losing control. The next obvious move is legal convictions against Shin sister No1.

Forget your ideological dreams of democracy, this is Thailand. It works differently here and the likes of taksin give no hope to the whole nation.

+1000

It really starts and ends there. All this BS about elections, rice scams, mega projects, committees, red shirts, yellow shirts etc. is all a smokescreen for the real issue. The fact that a convicted criminal fugitive is running the country through his sister is the root cause. I'm still surprised that all this didn't happen sooner. I guess it took the 4 AM amnesty bill for the fugitive in Dubai to finally push things to this point. What kills me is the guy doesn't even try to hide it with statements like "she's my clone" and campaign slogans like "Thaksin thinks, PTP does" How many times has TS stated he's finished with politics? The guy has some serious ego issues.

As the poster states above, until Thaksin and his "clones" get out of politics and stay out, this will just be one continuous series of violent protests, invalid elections, and military coups. At the end of the day, the Thai people are the ones who are getting screwed.

Thaksin Thaksin Thaksin its like a broken record. If he died tomorrow for the next 100 years the Thaksin obsessed will still blame him .Why ? well because they have to blame someone for their own failings by not being able to listen to the people & not being able to change their policies so they can become a electable party that the people feel they can trust.

The fruitcake wasn't shouting for reform when the military wormed him & is nutters into power. Now he wants reforms ,hahaha this isn't about reforms it is a power grab. He wants in there to rape the country before it needs every Baht to save the country from sinking & drowning. They know that they will never ever get into power again so they blame Mr T , its really sad that grown men be them fruitcakes or currant buns need to blame someone for them being empty-heads .

I know one thing & that is I want to be in the north when the country splits

[fab4]

The verbal acrobats of non-answering obfuscations they go through on the often-raised issue is astounding.

You do know the law in this country about defaming or accusing people of things? I posted a collection of schematics cataloguing the various lists of powerful families and their various connections, directly after this post.

The term amart, in and of itself, is defamatory or accusatory?

Please...the gymnastics are getting out of hand.

If the word itself is so powerful and volatile, then perhaps the word should never be posted, yet that's not what we see. It see it over and over and over.

So that's all ok, but, somehow, to simply identify who it is we are discussing over and over and over... Oh No! We mustn't. That's forbidden.

As said, the obfuscation is astounding.

Look, you keep on trying to make a point here that there is no amart and if there were, they do not have an undue influence in politics.

OK, if that's what you want to believe, stay ignorant.

Or you could put aside your prejudices and do some research yourself. I would suggest sources not based in Thailand for obvious reasons. There is a perfectly good reason for the reticence of posters to educate you and no amount of petulant posting will reveal anything more than you have already.

[SICHONSTEVE]

ok, there would be the next one, with the same effect - reds will win the majority, democrats will be losing support (that even if they contest an election).

dems wanted a new parliament, PM dissolved the house, dems boycotted the election. The reds won, election invalidated by yellow's palls from the court, dems call for boycott of the next poll.

the country is going down the drain, not the government, but courts, agencies and fascist mob on the streets running amok, destroying what is left from the reasonable economic, political and social stability.

Ah the usual everybody else is wrong except Puea Thai excuse once again.

We are so misunderstood.

Never mind that what we did may have been wrong.

Never mind that we may have broken laws and the rules of parliament that put us here.

EVERYBODY ELSE is wrong.

Well boo hoo hoo.

Cue for MORE tears from Yingluck and MORE threats and violence from the UDD/Red Shirts.

I think that MOST of the credit for the current state of affairs belongs to the Pheu Thai party and the government. Their greed, stupidity, incompetence, and disregard for the law and ignorance on how to run a country democratically led the country here. More or less if they had played by the rules and put a little thought and competence into governance, none of this would have happened. IMHO.

You would say that of course.

He would say that because it is the truth and quite justified.

[kuthow]

I will keep restating the obvious, this whole debacle is a direct result of allowing a fugitive on the run from Justice the freedom to dictate policy, appoint the prime minister and Gov actions from Dubai. That fact negates everything else going on due to the scale of corruption and abuse being perpetrated across the country including in the so called Issan heartlands.

The Shins are what are preventing the development of real democracy in Thailand. PTP need another leader untainted by the shame of the Shin clan and then some semblance of Thai politics can return.

The notion that the Shins will be allowed to just carry on is a fantasy and step by step they are losing control. The next obvious move is legal convictions against Shin sister No1.

Forget your ideological dreams of democracy, this is Thailand. It works differently here and the likes of taksin give no hope to the whole nation.

+1000

It really starts and ends there. All this BS about elections, rice scams, mega projects, committees, red shirts, yellow shirts etc. is all a smokescreen for the real issue. The fact that a convicted criminal fugitive is running the country through his sister is the root cause. I'm still surprised that all this didn't happen sooner. I guess it took the 4 AM amnesty bill for the fugitive in Dubai to finally push things to this point. What kills me is the guy doesn't even try to hide it with statements like "she's my clone" and campaign slogans like "Thaksin thinks, PTP does" How many times has TS stated he's finished with politics? The guy has some serious ego issues.

As the poster states above, until Thaksin and his "clones" get out of politics and stay out, this will just be one continuous series of violent protests, invalid elections, and military coups. At the end of the day, the Thai people are the ones who are getting screwed.

Thaksin Thaksin Thaksin its like a broken record. If he died tomorrow for the next 100 years the Thaksin obsessed will still blame him .Why ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/711522-thai-army-chief-denounces-new-udd-chairman-jatuporn/?view=findpost&p=7575579

[Crushdepth]

It is going to be a long hot summer, with factional malevolence aplenty. More squandering of that most precious resource - time. But it hard for the CC to have taken any other action really, the election was a mess because of the vote-stopping movement, and the failure of the opposition to step up their political game and provide a credible alternative to the current nest of vipers.

Everybody I speak to over here says the same thing, they are sick to their boots of both these main parties, and they want a whole new party that actually concentrates on Thailand as a whole and not just on the specialised interests of their party funders. I have to agree with my Thai friends on this one, I don't see anything in the future except a lot more headlines like this one in the OP, unless there is a genuine seachange towards moderate mainstream parties and these two extremist parties become gradually marginalised and forgotten.

Thailand does need a 'new way' and it ain't Suthep's, Thaksins, Abhisit's or thugs on either side stopping elections on a technicality

wherefore art thou Aung San Suu Kyi, Mandela, Ghandi, Kennedy or Churchill?

all Thailand has are 'pretenders' that bicker over self-interest like spoilt children in the playground - and Thailand suffers

Abhsit, Suthep, Thaksin and all of his family are politically contaminated and have to go. Too many people hate them for there to be peace while they are still around.

[ZuluTango70]

A teeny weeny bit of logical thinking would help a whole load of people. Just my humble opinion. And yes, I am a newbie and you can all trash me

[ZuluTango70]

I will keep restating the obvious, this whole debacle is a direct result of allowing a fugitive on the run from Justice the freedom to dictate policy, appoint the prime minister and Gov actions from Dubai. That fact negates everything else going on due to the scale of corruption and abuse being perpetrated across the country including in the so called Issan heartlands.

The Shins are what are preventing the development of real democracy in Thailand. PTP need another leader untainted by the shame of the Shin clan and then some semblance of Thai politics can return.

The notion that the Shins will be allowed to just carry on is a fantasy and step by step they are losing control. The next obvious move is legal convictions against Shin sister No1.

Forget your ideological dreams of democracy, this is Thailand. It works differently here and the likes of taksin give no hope to the whole nation.

+1000

It really starts and ends there. All this BS about elections, rice scams, mega projects, committees, red shirts, yellow shirts etc. is all a smokescreen for the real issue. The fact that a convicted criminal fugitive is running the country through his sister is the root cause. I'm still surprised that all this didn't happen sooner. I guess it took the 4 AM amnesty bill for the fugitive in Dubai to finally push things to this point. What kills me is the guy doesn't even try to hide it with statements like "she's my clone" and campaign slogans like "Thaksin thinks, PTP does" How many times has TS stated he's finished with politics? The guy has some serious ego issues.

As the poster states above, until Thaksin and his "clones" get out of politics and stay out, this will just be one continuous series of violent protests, invalid elections, and military coups. At the end of the day, the Thai people are the ones who are getting screwed.

Thaksin Thaksin Thaksin its like a broken record. If he died tomorrow for the next 100 years the Thaksin obsessed will still blame him .Why ? well because they have to blame someone for their own failings by not being able to listen to the people & not being able to change their policies so they can become a electable party that the people feel they can trust.

The fruitcake wasn't shouting for reform when the military wormed him & is nutters into power. Now he wants reforms ,hahaha this isn't about reforms it is a power grab. He wants in there to rape the country before it needs every Baht to save the country from sinking & drowning. They know that they will never ever get into power again so they blame Mr T , its really sad that grown men be them fruitcakes or currant buns need to blame someone for them being empty-heads .

I know one thing & that is I want to be in the north when the country splits

Good luck mate. I am sure Mr. T the grown man will be extremely good to you. It is always easy to ignore facts, evidences and history when you throw away your intelligence to make rational conclusions in defence of any particular person whether it is Thaksin, Bush, Blair, Howard, Putin or Abbott.

[Gweiloman]

I think that MOST of the credit for the current state of affairs belongs to the Pheu Thai party and the government. Their greed, stupidity, incompetence, and disregard for the law and ignorance on how to run a country democratically led the country here. More or less if they had played by the rules and put a little thought and competence into governance, none of this would have happened. IMHO.

You would say that of course.

He would say that because it is the truth and quite justified.

The truth in his (and your) mind so I guess that's fair enough. Who am I to open your eyes to the world around you.

[scorecard]

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The verbal acrobats of non-answering obfuscations they go through on the often-raised issue is astounding.

You do know the law in this country about defaming or accusing people of things? I posted a collection of schematics cataloguing the various lists of powerful families and their various connections, directly after this post.

The term amart, in and of itself, is defamatory or accusatory?
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Please...the gymnastics are getting out of hand.
If the word itself is so powerful and volatile, then perhaps the word should never be posted, yet that's not what we see. It see it over and over and over.
So that's all ok, but, somehow, to simply identify who it is we are discussing over and over and over... Oh No! We mustn't. That's forbidden.
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As said, the obfuscation is astounding.

Look, you keep on trying to make a point here that there is no amart and if there were, they do not have an undue influence in politics.

OK, if that's what you want to believe, stay ignorant.

Or you could put aside your prejudices and do some research yourself. I would suggest sources not based in Thailand for obvious reasons. There is a perfectly good reason for the reticence of posters to educate you and no amount of petulant posting will reveal anything more than you have already.

Apply your last paragraph to yourself fab4.

[fab4]

Look, you keep on trying to make a point here that there is no amart and if there were, they do not have an undue influence in politics.

OK, if that's what you want to believe, stay ignorant.

Or you could put aside your prejudices and do some research yourself. I would suggest sources not based in Thailand for obvious reasons. There is a perfectly good reason for the reticence of posters to educate you and no amount of petulant posting will reveal anything more than you have already.

Apply your last paragraph to yourself fab4.

I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram because people are telling me things I don't like to hear.

Do you deny that there are people and families with undue access to, and influence over, the political, military and judicial systems?

If you do you're more naive than I took you for.

Edited March 22, 2014 by fab4

[aripengu]

They are rewarding the people who illegally disrupted an election. It sets a bad precedent for the future. All corruption Thai style... the Police red, the Army yellow, the courts are far from neutral, the divide goes even through a certain important family. Very sad.

Just like hippies set a precedent for future soft drug use. We all live in the shadow of the past. Welcome to the real world dude

Hippies Drugs??? &lt;deleted&gt;??? What's your real world? The one where the state and the law are a cheap prostitute? People are dying because too many think they are above the law, because they are OK with the law being broken if it serves their partisan side. Nothing funny here.

[Bangel72]

Is the constitutional court taking the stance that if nobody asks then they will not tell people the information they need to make a decision and also the stance that please don't ask speculative questions first?

If so this is going to lead to multiple mistakes followed by the horse has bolted questions but nobody is accountable.

There is another article in a similar vein where important information was not dispersed because nobody asked.

I've gone to great pains to help teams overcome the burden of not giving bad news, if you have bad news give it out and do it quickly so something can be done about it.

A little credit to the reformists on this front (the information not the decision) quickly saying they will block the next election, the constitution court could now save a lot of time by saying what will happen then, will elections be allowed to be voided continuously under the constitution?

[rubl]

Only 100 or so more posts since I left it yesterday evening. Sorry to say, but I'm not going to read all of them. Just glancing I see nothing new really.

Anyway we had a ruling. No one dares to say the CC made the wrong ruling, but that's more due to Thai laws and forum rules I think. Lots of suggestions that the ruling might not be right though. And lots of "what does this mean for future elections'.

I always understood and I may be wrong in that, that jurisprudence has no real meaning and position in the Thai legal framework, laws. If that's so then yesterdays ruling will have no immediate effect on possible rulings in the future.

The suggestion that the ruling is based on a technicallity only with anti-government protesters blamed shows how easily posters forget what they don't like to remember. A Yingluck government which was warning by many that it would be impossible to complete the elections in the day written in the Royal Decree. The government obfuscated, delayed decissions and just went ahead. They caused the problems with that.

Now some may say the anti-government protesters blocked registration and polling booths. Well, that would bring us to an undemocratic government which tried to push through a blanket amnesty bill which even managed to cover the first two years of the Yingluck 'we take care of corruption' government.

[rubl]

So, you're against progress?

Not at all.

Sadly progress for many on here seems to be annuling elections and replacing the current corrrupt incompetent government with an another corrrupt incompetent one, only this time unelected.

Strange view of progress.

You assume a lot there. The anulling of the Feb2 elections was because the Yingluck government kept on pushing to have electinos on that date even though it was clear the elections couldn't complete. As such they brough this upon themselves.

As for replacing one corrupt government by another, well that's what some try to prevent. With proper reforms binding ALL that could be prevented.

[Thai at Heart]

Is the constitutional court taking the stance that if nobody asks then they will not tell people the information they need to make a decision and also the stance that please don't ask speculative questions first?

If so this is going to lead to multiple mistakes followed by the horse has bolted questions but nobody is accountable.

There is another article in a similar vein where important information was not dispersed because nobody asked.

I've gone to great pains to help teams overcome the burden of not giving bad news, if you have bad news give it out and do it quickly so something can be done about it.

A little credit to the reformists on this front (the information not the decision) quickly saying they will block the next election, the constitution court could now save a lot of time by saying what will happen then, will elections be allowed to be voided continuously under the constitution?

Well this is a circular problem in terms of the legal system. Someone ordinary tells publically that they are going to block the election, they arrest him.

A pooyai does the same and the system has a fit and let's him do it. The system is selective about who it punishes and enforcing legal rights and wrongs.

No one is yet stating the EC has failed in its legal obligation and they are even blaming the govt for not completing the election despite being warned not to.

Who committed wring here. Surely not the govt. They called an election. It is the PDRC and the EC who have broken the law. But somehow, in bizarre Thai logic, the govt is at fault.

[Thai at Heart]

So, you're against progress?

Not at all.

Sadly progress for many on here seems to be annuling elections and replacing the current corrrupt incompetent government with an another corrrupt incompetent one, only this time unelected.

Strange view of progress.

You assume a lot there. The anulling of the Feb2 elections was because the Yingluck government kept on pushing to have electinos on that date even though it was clear the elections couldn't complete. As such they brough this upon themselves.

As for replacing one corrupt government by another, well that's what some try to prevent. With proper reforms binding ALL that could be prevented.

&lt;deleted&gt;?

That is like being arrested for not paying your taxes because someone had kidnapped you and put you in a cell in the basement.

The govt is not at fault for not completing the election. The EC carries out elections not the govt.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[rubl]

That is like being arrested for not paying your taxes because someone had kidnapped you and put you in a cell in the basement.

The govt is not at fault for not completing the election. The EC carries out elections not the govt.

The government was warned many times by the EC that it wouldn't be able to complete the elections on Feb2 only. The EC suggested a postponedment. The government obfuscated with "we cannot", "we will not". A court ruled that a new Royal Decree could be issued to have new elections later. The same court suggested at that time the government and EC sit together and work it out. The government continued obfuscation, called meeting and found others who would recomment to continue, "we are told by others we should continue" Ms. Yingluck said.

So, who's at fault for trying to push through an election?

BTW somewhat off topic, but with a part of the population buying lottery tickets with Ms. Yingluck's numberplate numbers I'm at times wondering if part of the population already manged to get into the 20th century. Any talk about democracy and 'elections are democratic' may be lost on them.

[JAG]

Is the constitutional court taking the stance that if nobody asks then they will not tell people the information they need to make a decision and also the stance that please don't ask speculative questions first?

If so this is going to lead to multiple mistakes followed by the horse has bolted questions but nobody is accountable.

There is another article in a similar vein where important information was not dispersed because nobody asked.

I've gone to great pains to help teams overcome the burden of not giving bad news, if you have bad news give it out and do it quickly so something can be done about it.

A little credit to the reformists on this front (the information not the decision) quickly saying they will block the next election, the constitution court could now save a lot of time by saying what will happen then, will elections be allowed to be voided continuously under the constitution?

Well this is a circular problem in terms of the legal system. Someone ordinary tells publically that they are going to block the election, they arrest him.

A pooyai does the same and the system has a fit and let's him do it. The system is selective about who it punishes and enforcing legal rights and wrongs.

No one is yet stating the EC has failed in its legal obligation and they are even blaming the govt for not completing the election despite being warned not to.

Who committed wring here. Surely not the govt. They called an election. It is the PDRC and the EC who have broken the law. But somehow, in bizarre Thai logic, the govt is at fault.

It's not logic, it's just another manifestation of the establishments view, "we own Thailand, so we can do what we like".

They may get away with it this time, but sooner or later, and I suspect sooner, the population will turn on them.

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[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed.

Troll posts have been removed.

Inflammatory posts have been removed.

[kuthow]

The verbal acrobats of non-answering obfuscations they go through on the often-raised issue is astounding.

You do know the law in this country about defaming or accusing people of things? I posted a collection of schematics cataloguing the various lists of powerful families and their various connections, directly after this post.

The term amart, in and of itself, is defamatory or accusatory?

Please...the gymnastics are getting out of hand.

If the word itself is so powerful and volatile, then perhaps the word should never be posted, yet that's not what we see. It see it over and over and over.

So that's all ok, but, somehow, to simply identify who it is we are discussing over and over and over... Oh No! We mustn't. That's forbidden.

As said, the obfuscation is astounding.

Look, you keep on trying to make a point here that there is no amart and if there were, they do not have an undue influence in politics.

OK, if that's what you want to believe, stay ignorant.

Or you could put aside your prejudices and do some research yourself. I would suggest sources not based in Thailand for obvious reasons. There is a perfectly good reason for the reticence of posters to educate you and no amount of petulant posting will reveal anything more than you have already.

Geez. Talk about an "ignorant" post.

You err in so many ways in your reply above.

I've never made the point that the amart don't exist, let alone "keep making" that point.

I, and many others, make only the point of who is on their roster that you and several others keep bringing up.

The replies to the simple question has been met with a pallet load of obfuscaton and derision such as yours above.

If it's such a volatile area that can't be breached, then, by all means, lets not discuss it all. Lets stop referring and using it entirely. If an aspect as fundamental to a discussion as to who is being discussed is somehow barred, then it would follow that any other aspect should similarly be barred (which is something you completely failed to address in your "ignorant" reply).

If the reason posters are resistent to identify them because it would involve breaking the forum rule, then it follows that any and all discussion or use of the term would also involve breaking the same forum rule.

[kuthow]

Look, you keep on trying to make a point here that there is no amart and if there were, they do not have an undue influence in politics.

OK, if that's what you want to believe, stay ignorant.

Or you could put aside your prejudices and do some research yourself. I would suggest sources not based in Thailand for obvious reasons. There is a perfectly good reason for the reticence of posters to educate you and no amount of petulant posting will reveal anything more than you have already.

Apply your last paragraph to yourself fab4.

I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram because people are telling me things I don't like to hear.

Do you deny that there are people and families with undue access to, and influence over, the political, military and judicial systems?

If you do you're more naive than I took you for.

I, for one, don't deny it.

The desciption certainly applies to the Shinawatras.

See? I indentified the people being discussed by name.

Do you have any other names for who we are discussing?

[kuthow]

That is like being arrested for not paying your taxes because someone had kidnapped you and put you in a cell in the basement.

The govt is not at fault for not completing the election. The EC carries out elections not the govt.

The government was warned many times by the EC that it wouldn't be able to complete the elections on Feb2 only. The EC suggested a postponedment. The government obfuscated with "we cannot", "we will not". A court ruled that a new Royal Decree could be issued to have new elections later. The same court suggested at that time the government and EC sit together and work it out. The government continued obfuscation, called meeting and found others who would recomment to continue, "we are told by others we should continue" Ms. Yingluck said.

So, who's at fault for trying to push through an election?

Very good summation of the past several months.

[Publicus]

I will keep restating the obvious, this whole debacle is a direct result of allowing a fugitive on the run from Justice the freedom to dictate policy, appoint the prime minister and Gov actions from Dubai. That fact negates everything else going on due to the scale of corruption and abuse being perpetrated across the country including in the so called Issan heartlands.

The Shins are what are preventing the development of real democracy in Thailand. PTP need another leader untainted by the shame of the Shin clan and then some semblance of Thai politics can return.

The notion that the Shins will be allowed to just carry on is a fantasy and step by step they are losing control. The next obvious move is legal convictions against Shin sister No1.

Forget your ideological dreams of democracy, this is Thailand. It works differently here and the likes of taksin give no hope to the whole nation.

+1000

It really starts and ends there. All this BS about elections, rice scams, mega projects, committees, red shirts, yellow shirts etc. is all a smokescreen for the real issue. The fact that a convicted criminal fugitive is running the country through his sister is the root cause. I'm still surprised that all this didn't happen sooner. I guess it took the 4 AM amnesty bill for the fugitive in Dubai to finally push things to this point. What kills me is the guy doesn't even try to hide it with statements like "she's my clone" and campaign slogans like "Thaksin thinks, PTP does" How many times has TS stated he's finished with politics? The guy has some serious ego issues.

As the poster states above, until Thaksin and his "clones" get out of politics and stay out, this will just be one continuous series of violent protests, invalid elections, and military coups. At the end of the day, the Thai people are the ones who are getting screwed.

The formation during the 1990s of the contemporary middle class was not broad based, being limited instead to Greater Bangkok and some additional, smaller urban centers, such as Phuket, where the Western tourist presence generated a lot of money, but not only Phuket. The rural masses were excluded from participating in a broad based growth of a Thai middle class, and have decided they want inclusion. Thaksin was their vehicle, and largely remains their vehicle to participate.

If tomorrow Thaksin retired to an igloo in Antarctica for the rest of his life - minus Skype and everything else - the Bangkok elite still would have on their hands the massive socio-economic movement that the rural masses inevitably and persistently present. Saying getting rid of anyone will solve the problem is superficial, facile, shallow. It ignores the profound changes occurring in Thailand, changes that are social, economic, political, as well as cultural.

You people are upset by the real world changes occurring in Thailand, as they have been occurring in other developing countries, and you are of course focused on your own interests in this country. That your interests are best served by feudalism and now an incipient fascism is a wrong response.

[daboyz1]

The formation during the 1990s of the contemporary middle class was not broad based, being limited instead to Greater Bangkok and some additional, smaller urban centers, such as Phuket, where the Western tourist presence generated a lot of money, but not only Phuket. The rural masses were excluded from participating in a broad based growth of a Thai middle class, and have decided they want inclusion. Thaksin was their vehicle, and largely remains their vehicle to participate.

If tomorrow Thaksin retired to an igloo in Antarctica for the rest of his life - minus Skype and everything else - the Bangkok elite still would have on their hands the massive socio-economic movement that the rural masses inevitably and persistently present. Saying getting rid of anyone will solve the problem is superficial, facile, shallow. It ignores the profound changes occurring in Thailand, changes that are social, economic, political, as well as cultural.

You people are upset by the real world changes occurring in Thailand, as they have been occurring in other developing countries, and you are of course focused on your own interests in this country. That your interests are best served by feudalism and now an incipient fascism is a wrong response.

All of what you say above may be true. However, that has little to do with the current issue. The current issue is that the country is being run by a convicted fugitive, and that fugitive tried to push through an amnesty for himself through his puppet sister and his other political clones. I agree the things you mention need fixing. I don't think Thaksin/Yingluck/Jatuporn are the people to fix it. Thaksin is not interested in anything remotely close to a compromise. By naming his sister PM, he's proven that. Thaksin only cares about Thaksin. He's proven that over and over. If the country is ruined because of his ego, so be it.

[Publicus]

The formation during the 1990s of the contemporary middle class was not broad based, being limited instead to Greater Bangkok and some additional, smaller urban centers, such as Phuket, where the Western tourist presence generated a lot of money, but not only Phuket. The rural masses were excluded from participating in a broad based growth of a Thai middle class, and have decided they want inclusion. Thaksin was their vehicle, and largely remains their vehicle to participate.

If tomorrow Thaksin retired to an igloo in Antarctica for the rest of his life - minus Skype and everything else - the Bangkok elite still would have on their hands the massive socio-economic movement that the rural masses inevitably and persistently present. Saying getting rid of anyone will solve the problem is superficial, facile, shallow. It ignores the profound changes occurring in Thailand, changes that are social, economic, political, as well as cultural.

You people are upset by the real world changes occurring in Thailand, as they have been occurring in other developing countries, and you are of course focused on your own interests in this country. That your interests are best served by feudalism and now an incipient fascism is a wrong response.

All of what you say above may be true. However, that has little to do with the current issue. The current issue is that the country is being run by a convicted fugitive, and that fugitive tried to push through an amnesty for himself through his puppet sister and his other political clones. I agree the things you mention need fixing. I don't think Thaksin/Yingluck/Jatuporn are the people to fix it. Thaksin is not interested in anything remotely close to a compromise. By naming his sister PM, he's proven that. Thaksin only cares about Thaksin. He's proven that over and over. If the country is ruined because of his ego, so be it.

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[daboyz1]

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[Thai at Heart]

That is like being arrested for not paying your taxes because someone had kidnapped you and put you in a cell in the basement.

The govt is not at fault for not completing the election. The EC carries out elections not the govt.

The government was warned many times by the EC that it wouldn't be able to complete the elections on Feb2 only. The EC suggested a postponedment. The government obfuscated with "we cannot", "we will not". A court ruled that a new Royal Decree could be issued to have new elections later. The same court suggested at that time the government and EC sit together and work it out. The government continued obfuscation, called meeting and found others who would recomment to continue, "we are told by others we should continue" Ms. Yingluck said.

So, who's at fault for trying to push through an election?

BTW somewhat off topic, but with a part of the population buying lottery tickets with Ms. Yingluck's numberplate numbers I'm at times wondering if part of the population already manged to get into the 20th century. Any talk about democracy and 'elections are democratic' may be lost on them.

A government cannot arbitrarily stop an election. That is the absolute shortest trip to dictatorship.

[tamvine]

Why did the elections on feb 2, 14 took place in first place when everyone knew it will be VOID if challenged constitutionally? A Total waste of money and another billions will be needed to conduct another one.....

Will that hold is another question....vicious circle.....

[bigbamboo]

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What a well thought out response.

At least his spelling's improving so there's hope yet!