Do Australians MIND that they do not have a vote?

[winstonc]

"His deputy, Anusorn Iamsa-ard, reiterated that there had been a conspiracy by the PDRC and some political parties, independent agencies as well as the military and unidentified forces to topple the government".

The conspirators care for no-one and no-thing other than their own selfish interests.

They are more than willing to let the country go down the drain to try and get their way.

In fact, these losers are of a mindset that the more damage they do to the country, the better than chances are of winning so they are actively trying to cause and inflict as much harm as their small following can on the real great masses of the people.

you are talking about the ptp arent you,...when you said damage to the country..its obvious then ..sorry.

[Wombat6]

This red shirt Rally should be held on April 1 st.......more appropriate

[ramrod711]

Jatuporn called on the red shirts to wear black from tomorrow to Sunday to mourn the behaviour of independent agencies.

I wonder if they will all wear black this time, or just the storm troopers as in 2010?

[mikemac]

Quote you: "The PAD may have changed their name, but the people are the same, with the same old tired objective; "get rid of Thaksin regime at all cost"

That seems to me you are saying they are the same, or do you not read your own posts?

Yes I read the link.

@ Bluespunk - For some reason I am reminded of Mark Twain's famous quote, "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

[NeilSA1]

"Unless the PM agrees to hold talks".... Hasn't she tried to do that several times and been rejected by Suthep already?

Yes, and he has always said that the PDRC would oppose any "...election unless it followed national reform...." That has always been his stance.

[NeilSA1]

"His deputy, Anusorn Iamsa-ard, reiterated that there had been a conspiracy by the PDRC and some political parties, independent agencies as well as the military and unidentified forces to topple the government".

The conspirators care for no-one and no-thing other than their own selfish interests.

They are more than willing to let the country go down the drain to try and get their way.

In fact, these losers are of a mindset that the more damage they do to the country, the better than chances are of winning so they are actively trying to cause and inflict as much harm as their small following can on the real great masses of the people.

Get real once and for all Bob, the government has toppled it's self.

Had they carried out their duties as per promise no protests would have been made. AGAIN Bob follow the money. Plain enough to see where the basic problem lies----disgusting-disgraceful bad governance.

As usual it will be the Dems fault. QuietBob would be a better name for you.

Quiet ?

[JesseFrank]

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Thai court decided that approx 36 Billion from the approx 76 Billion confiscated was not justified for and had to be returned.

Do you have any links? cos I can't find that news anywhere and it obviously has been kept quite quiet.

Me too, I've never seen any report on this, please share some further details.

If you even don't see the link posted in this thread 6 posts above yours, then I think there is little chance you will ever be able to see a report.

[Fryslan boppe]

Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

#1 - A good one. I don't think the party candidate should suffer though...He/She is not always responsible for supporters offering money to support their buddy...Alternatively, throw the book at both they who offer money, and those who accept it, equally.

#2 - Not democratic.....Govts. always have an eye on being re-elected and must be responsive to an electorate with policies that do it.. Suggesting the Election Commission alone in this example, indicates how skewed this would be....Currently the election commission is the 'anti-election commission", in league with the PAD-Dem's and coup-mongers.

#3 - The Party should not be held responsible. OK to excoriate local bigwigs though.

#4 - Ridiculous and not worthy of comment.

#5 - Would be OK, after the NACC is de-politicized.

[MGP]

Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

#1 - A good one. I don't think the party candidate should suffer though...He/She is not always responsible for supporters offering money to support their buddy...Alternatively, throw the book at both they who offer money, and those who accept it, equally.

#2 - Not democratic.....Govts. always have an eye on being re-elected and must be responsive to an electorate with policies that do it.. Suggesting the Election Commission alone in this example, indicates how skewed this would be....Currently the election commission is the 'anti-election commission", in league with the PAD-Dem's and coup-mongers.

#3 - The Party should not be held responsible. OK to excoriate local bigwigs though.

#4 - Ridiculous and not worthy of comment.

#5 - Would be OK, after the NACC is de-politicized.

#5 - should read: "After the NACC is Thaksinized", to serve the interests of The Master

Edited March 23, 2014 by MGP

[scorecard]

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Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

#1 - A good one. I don't think the party candidate should suffer though...He/She is not always responsible for supporters offering money to support their buddy...Alternatively, throw the book at both they who offer money, and those who accept it, equally.

#2 - Not democratic.....Govts. always have an eye on being re-elected and must be responsive to an electorate with policies that do it.. Suggesting the Election Commission alone in this example, indicates how skewed this would be....Currently the election commission is the 'anti-election commission", in league with the PAD-Dem's and coup-mongers.

#3 - The Party should not be held responsible. OK to excoriate local bigwigs though.

#4 - Ridiculous and not worthy of comment.

#5 - Would be OK, after the NACC is de-politicized.

2.... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

Agree with this, as an independent commission or similar. After the last general election (not meaning a month ago) the EC commissioners (now mostly gone, said it was just too difficult to identify any specific mass vote buying / populist mass vote policies. I just don't but that. It just needs some well informed determined folks to write some meaningful descriptions of what is / what is not OK. Sure it would take some time but that's not a critical point.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

Agree with this also.

I would add that the EC or some other independent body is responsible to organize perhaps 10 public forums, in different locations which all parties must attend and there must be a total of overall 20? different members of each party attend and speak at these forums. Public strongly encouraged / pushed to attend, no need for registration in advance.

Would need a good moderator to keep speakers focused on answering the questions and to stop speakers from rambling.

Plus the public can anonymously send questions in advance and don't need to give their name. The moderator to read the questions at the public hearing.

[wolfmanjack]

.............................."Pheu Thai Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit called on the Election Commissioners to resign and pay the Bt3.8 billion cost incurred in staging the February 2 poll."...............................

Fine, as long as PTP resigns and pays back all the money it has embezzled/lost/stolen/squandered/sent to overseas accounts during it's time in office.

Anyone ever clarified why Thaksin's net worth increased substantially last year when he did the Forbes interview? He says it was money returned to him by PTP, but ive heard nothing more about it. Any ideas?

I don't understand what you need clarified about why his wealth increased substantially. His wealth increased by 1.1 billion USD because the PTP government sent him 1.1 Billion USD. He said so himself so what would need to be clarified?

[DrMe]

Good to see the Red Shirts are alive.

Bad manner people can never die

[nong38]

The best Venue in Thailand for a red shirt gathering is Bung Borapet.

[Blackmirage2013]

Jatuporn is just a trouble-maker who wants attention and money. He is using the Thai people for his own benefit.... poor red shirts and farmers....

Let's just spit Thailand and give Shinawatra and Jatuporn the north.. call it "North Thailand" and then watch as that part of the world regresses back into the Stone Age...

[djjamie]

Jatuporn is just a trouble-maker who wants attention and money. He is using the Thai people for his own benefit.... poor red shirts and farmers....

Let's just spit Thailand and give Shinawatra and Jatuporn the north.. call it "North Thailand" and then watch as that part of the world regresses back into the Stone Age...

If Jatupron gets his North Thailand then he will have neither attention or money. He currently has attention because he is the "accused terrorist" of the moment. The leader of the PTP terrorist wing with a street gang of 200 000 members with 10 million weapons. As for wealth, if they divide the country the tax money that supports all the PTP polices will be cut off. That money comes, not from the North, but goes to the North.

[djvolak]

The only reason Jatuporn is leading the red shirt rally is for himself. He loves the attention.

Poor boy probably was whipped and spanked as a child. Now, as an adult, he has a chance to get in front of big, ignorant crowds and act like an evangelist skin head.

I detest individuals who use others for personal gain and ego boosting like Jatuporn. He doesn't give a shit about Thailand, about poor people or about anyone but himself. He needs attention and he is using people and this political storm as his pulpit..... PATHETIC.

I see it a bit different. I see it as That guy in Dubi was not getting the things done that needed doing so he changes chess pieces. Turns Jut into his Queen and will sent that piece on a big time damage run. Somewhere in that twisted mind he really thinks if things get bad enough in Thailand every Thai everywhere will plead for him to come in and fix everything. In his mind he is the only one who can straighten things out. He got a small taste of real power and he wants way way more. Everyone on here knows this. Little kick off party in Pattaya then Jut will get to doing what his puppet master wishes. I don't thin any of us will like the end result but what do I know. They could all be baking cookies right now instead of loading clips and securing more m79's to get the party started right. But you know what is really happening.

[bendejo]

These guys have it in for Songkran, remember Thaksin's black Songkran promise?

On the other hand, the yellows seem to prefer Loy Krathong.

[IMA_FARANG]

Jet-to-porn is just another big red shirt dead head blow hard.

Here's hoping that on 6 April, 1 day after any such "rally", there will be several hundred people dead.

Then the military will be forced to stage a coup and abolish ALL political parties in Thailand (along with elections of course) for a period of five years minimum.

And also at that time issue a lifetime ban for ALL current politicians.

Then, with all that junk we currently have serving us as politicians cleared away, Thailand can start over.

Hopefully, without the two major "political parties" (organized corruption gangs of crooks), Thailand can start over with a new generation of politicians.

Well, that's the dream anyhow.

.

[gemini81]

Still working on digging his own grave with that big mouth of his.

[oldsailor35]

.............................."Pheu Thai Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit called on the Election Commissioners to resign and pay the Bt3.8 billion cost incurred in staging the February 2 poll."...............................

Fine, as long as PTP resigns and pays back all the money it has embezzled/lost/stolen/squandered/sent to overseas accounts during it's time in office.

Fine , and as long as Suthep pays back all the millions he has lost Thailand generally and business in general all due to his hatred for Thaksin and his lust for the power he had to forgo whilst Agricultural Minister under Abisit, due to his corruption and snout in the trough.

[oldsailor35]

The only reason Jatuporn is leading the red shirt rally is for himself. He loves the attention.

Poor boy probably was whipped and spanked as a child. Now, as an adult, he has a chance to get in front of big, ignorant crowds and act like an evangelist skin head.

I detest individuals who use others for personal gain and ego boosting like Jatuporn. He doesn't give a shit about Thailand, about poor people or about anyone but himself. He needs attention and he is using people and this political storm as his pulpit..... PATHETIC.

Congratulations ! You have just described Suthep to a T !

[oldsailor35]

Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

6) Any party which has encouraged,sided with helped any person to attempt or connive to overthrow a legally and dually elected government. To be disbanded and forbidden to ever become a registered party again. Also its administrative members found guilty of doing so.

[oldsailor35]

Good to see the Red Shirts are alive.

Good for what and for who? Could you please tell us where are you living? Not in Bangkok, I guess.

ha ha ha there are many redshirts living in Bangkok, just quietly waiting their chance to show the world where they are.

You are in for a big shock, being so 'cocky'

[oldsailor35]

Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

You can be sure that #4 is a deal killer as it is a bridge too far and nearly impossible to prove. You may implement the rules in two weeks but the courts will be busy for years trying to prove any violations. I like your intentions, though.

#4 is just a touch un-democratic.

But thats why they call themselves Democrats, did'nt you know.

[ginjag]

Does not have to be all reforms in place before an election.

All that is needed are electoral reforms to keep crooks out of government and make an election as fair as possible.

Then hold an election followed by all the other reforms as decided on by an independent body and taken to a referendum with the result binding on the Govt.

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

6) Any party which has encouraged,sided with helped any person to attempt or connive to overthrow a legally and dually elected government. To be disbanded and forbidden to ever become a registered party again. Also its administrative members found guilty of doing so.

So to sum up, there will be no one to elect, as the courts are now dealing with the government, and the ones you are accusing out.

Hey presto ---we now only have us farrangs to form a government, then it will have a 90% majority and 10% opposition will be the PTP lovers.

[Jasun]

Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today...

[rametindallas]

Jatuporn is just a trouble-maker who wants attention and money. He is using the Thai people for his own benefit.... poor red shirts and farmers....

Let's just spit Thailand and give Shinawatra and Jatuporn the north.. call it "North Thailand" and then watch as that part of the world regresses back into the Stone Age...

Let's just spit Thailand and give Shinawatra and Jatuporn the north

Why do you hate the people in northern Thailand so much? Do they really deserve this? You are a cruel person.

[rametindallas]

Exactly what I have been saying since the first snap election was called and Yingluck refused no negotiate and she sure as hell wouldn't agree to reforms before elections then.

Here is what I posted for discussion on PDRC and Dems facebook pages (where I am very active and actually get respect from the Thais) for discussion.

If Yingluck and the PTP refuse to accept reforms before elections, maybe they would agree to 'electoral reforms' to make them free and fair..... It would only take no more than 2 weeks... Then new elections can go ahead with the Dems...

Following suggested reforms.

1.... Evidence of attempted vote buying will result in disqualification of that party's candidate with a life ban from all government positions/employment and also given a 5 year prison sentence (mandatory). 10 breeches of this rule by the guilt party, then party withdrawn from election and banned for life.

2... All pre-election policies to be scrutinized by a specialist panel from the EC (election commission). To look for policies like the rice scheme, that are only aimed at getting voters in a specific sector of the electorate. Instead all policies MUST be for the benefit of the entire nation not just farmers from the north.

3... Village elders and leaders found guilty of pressuring the village's voters which way to vote to be punished with a 5 year prison sentence and a life ban from holding their position again. Also the party they are urging to vote for to have the same punishment as for vote buying.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

5... Any person who have had any past criminal convictions or who are currently under investigation by the NACC are banned from registering as a candidate.

This will take no more than 1 to 2 weeks, and then elections can be held.... The Dems will win by a mile, then they can oversee the rest of the national reforms to eradicate corruption completely.

So will Yingluck and the PTP actually agree to a quick electoral reform and quicker and most importantly 'unaffected' elections as a compromise????

If they say yes, they would probably defuse the tension immediately and it will go a long way to declare that they have confidence to contest a really free and fair election. Of course none of the PTP or Yingluck will agree with point 4. But as long as the EC comes out with this and backed by and signed off by the courts... The there is little they can do.

Some of the Dems won't like this point 4 either, but I am sure they will be willing to accept it because they believe in true democracy.

But either way... They won't be able to refuse it as long as they have agreed to allow the EC to make the reforms.

4... Any party that is suspected to have any involvement with Thaksin or any member of the Shinawatra family wives or relatives to be immediately dissolved and all its members banned from politics for life.

You can be sure that #4 is a deal killer as it is a bridge too far and nearly impossible to prove. You may implement the rules in two weeks but the courts will be busy for years trying to prove any violations. I like your intentions, though.

#4 is just a touch un-democratic.

But thats why they call themselves Democrats, did'nt you know.

These are suggested reforms created by crapper3 and NOT the Democrats. Why don't you suggest some, yourself.

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Me too, I've never seen any report on this, please share some further details.

Anyone knows what happened to 4.2 billion USD Thaksin assets which were frozen in the UK? The whole UK business of Thaksin is surrounded with the veil of mystery. Zero transparency. Some powerful people are covering up for him in England. Of course, they have financial interest.

Interesting story.

Exclusive: Temasek seeks to sell $3.1 billion stake in Thailand's Shin Corp to SingTel - sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/18/us-temasek-shincorp-singtel-idUSBREA1G1H520140218

the world is full of people who like to have their egos inflated by quoting unsubstantiated and untested information - most do it in the hope that others will copy as well follow their comments and many people rather foolishly comply and feed instigators egos -

external sources quoted that thaksin's assets in the uk had been frozen - the government of the uk made and continues to make the same statement, to this day, that they refuse to deny or confirm the claims of thaksin's assets being frozen in the uk - thaksin himself has never discussed the claims

external sources claimed that thaksin's visa to the uk was withdrawn by the uk government - thaksin personally withdrew his application and left the country - the uk government again has refused to deny or confirm, to this day, whether a visa would or would not have been given - thaksin has never commented on the uk discussions with regard to his uk visa

germany who openly refused thaksin a visa has subsequent to the elections in 2010 openly given thaksin a visa to enter germany again

the adage is to take everything with a pinch of salt - there are very few people in this world who actually know the truth about anything - there are a raft of people who have a need to increase their self importance and to inflate their egos and claim they are in the know - while there are enough gullible people about to listen to them and believe them they will continue to present opinions as fact -

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A "mass rally in Pattaya". I was there yesterday and saw a parade of about 15 vehicles. That is a MASS RALLY? (of course on the highway coming back, I also saw 4 trucks broken down on the side of the road) :-)

The need for a moment of glory - quite sad really -the journey from sattahip to pattaya at 5pm on Sunday normally thirty minutes yesterday one and a half hours - the journey from sriracha normally one hour yesterday two and half hours - i had to collect the family coming back from sriracha at BIG C - why? a mass red shirt rally with hundreds of vehicles parked in every conceivable way blocking the movement of traffic so hundreds could get into a rally site

Neither side in this argument does themselves any good by being unwilling to be objective and until common sense prevails the likelihood of a solution diminishes daily