Monk-beating redshirts under arrest: Police

[Phatcharanan]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

So obviously no one can say anything without the risk of a beating?

Why is he a 'con artist'?

[GentlemanJim]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

We have a like button on the forum, we have had requests for a 'Don't Like ' button on the forum, isn't it about time we had a 'complete and utter w**** button.

just to be sure the word was wally

Edited March 26, 2014 by GentlemanJim

[khunron13]

Thailand, the Land of Smiles and land of Buddha at it's finest.

[bkkgooner]

Ah classic Thai male behaviour. An old man walks by says some silly things and it takes about ten people to beat him up.

Why farang no love old people same Thai?

[chooka]

Good to see that police are arresting and charging people from both sides.

[chooka]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

So obviously no one can say anything without the risk of a beating?

Why is he a 'con artist'?

obviously not, just look at this monk and the taxi driver who came under fire because his passenger said something to the PDRC. Both sides obviously don't like criticism.

[MGP]

And who is going to judge the attitude of the Police?

They were at the scene, as it can be seen on the videos, but they were only interested in searching the bag of the monk.

The police failed to stop the lynching, and they failed to provide the monk with protection or evacuation to a safe place. After a group of kind people provided protection to the monk, it was necessary to call the Royal Thai Army to intervene, because the Red Shirt mob was waiting for the opportunity to keep on their barbarian beating, and it was the unarmed soldiers who escorted the monk back to his monastery.

Did the Police earned their payment this month?

Edited March 27, 2014 by MGP

[bulekee]

Beating the monk.Is that the same as beating the bishop ?

[captspectre]

The old monk threw a bottle of water at a mob of redshirts and prodded them with his walking cane!

Thank goodness he didn't blow his whistle or it could have ended up as a justifiable homicide.

Monks should stay out of political business. they are required by the ten precepts to be nuetral! it is hard to se who is a monk anymore with tyhem shopping in stores, having cekll phones and behaving like normal citizens. if you mess wit the bull you get the horns! stay in your temples and let the idiots kill themselves and then you can preside at their cremation!

[captspectre]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

Please explain how you disrobe someone who (in your eyes) is not a monk.

You should really give up on that nonsense - it doesn't really fly, actually wouldn't even get off the ground.

study what a monk is supposed to be and then comment. they are to stay away from violence, throwing water on someone? not likely. i do think he was an imposter.

[captspectre]

And who is going to judge the attitude of the Police?

They were at the scene, as it can be seen on the videos, but they were only interested in searching the bag of the monk.

The police failed to stop the lynching, and they failed to provide the monk with protection or evacuation to a safe place. After a group of kind people provided protection to the monk, it was necessary to call the Royal Thai Army to intervene, because the Red Shirt mob was waiting for the opportunity to keep on their barbarian beating, and it was the unarmed soldiers who escorted the monk back to his monastery.

Did the Police earned their payment this month?

was there a lynching? did not see any rope or telephone pole. do you know what the term "lynching" means? get a life!

[Artisi]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

Please explain how you disrobe someone who (in your eyes) is not a monk.

You should really give up on that nonsense - it doesn't really fly, actually wouldn't even get off the ground.

study what a monk is supposed to be and then comment. they are to stay away from violence, throwing water on someone? not likely. i do think he was an imposter.

Hello, anyone home. The comment I made was- "how do you disrobe someone who is not a monk." Whether he is a monk or not would be an entirely different discussion.

[speedtripler]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

Please explain how you disrobe someone who (in your eyes) is not a monk.

You should really give up on that nonsense - it doesn't really fly, actually wouldn't even get off the ground.

study what a monk is supposed to be and then comment. they are to stay away from violence, throwing water on someone? not likely. i do think he was an imposter.

Hello, anyone home. The comment I made was- "how do you disrobe someone who is not a monk." Whether he is a monk or not would be an entirely different discussion.

monk in thailand is not a lifelong profession ,you can go in and out of the monkhood as you wish

i know a young gentleman who is off to become a monk for a month or two and after that he plans

to leave the monks and get married

also people who kill people in road acciedents sometimes become a monk fo a short time to say sorry

and get off lightly with victims familys and courts ,then they can leave the monkhood having had almost

no punishment for killing a few people due to negligence

monkhood is a good scam in thailand ..........

[chrisinth]

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One of the violence lover red-shirts was wearing a Police jacket.

The same police paraphernalia that I can purchase at my local cop shop store! So what relevance does this have. The RTP did a great job arresting these galahs...

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What did the RTP do to arrest them? I will answer that on your behalf if I may. thaksin's little helpers didn't do anything. A bystander videoed the scene and 4 terrorists turned themselves in due to the irrefutable evidence. Of course the actual attack took place in front of the police and the police after standing around as bystanders for some time decided that after fulfilling there blood lust, broke it up. The police didn't arrest the offenders then…If the police are so adamant in adhering to the principle of democracy called "equal protection under the law" where are the arrests of the other terrorists that attacked the monk? Up to 20 I believe..Soi dogs would be envious of this terrorist groups odds. Put a collar around the terrorists necks and call them with a PDRC whistle and they will come running like all dogs do. They are nothing but dogs.

One may think you speak from an agenda driven platform as opposed to, from a factual patio.

I can understand your anger at what has happened, but please, less of the 'terrorist' references. Four times in your post you have mentioned these scum as being terrorists. They are thugs & bullies, plain and simple. Offenders covers it fine.

[Artisi]

Hello, anyone home. The comment I made was- "how do you disrobe someone who is not a monk." Whether he is a monk or not would be an entirely different discussion.

monk in thailand is not a lifelong profession ,you can go in and out of the monkhood as you wish

i know a young gentleman who is off to become a monk for a month or two and after that he plans

to leave the monks and get married

also people who kill people in road acciedents sometimes become a monk fo a short time to say sorry

and get off lightly with victims familys and courts ,then they can leave the monkhood having had almost

no punishment for killing a few people due to negligence

monkhood is a good scam in thailand ..........

Thanks for the lesson on monks / Buddhism. However, seems the point has been missed once again on disrobing someone who isn't a monk.

[speedtripler]

One of the violence lover red-shirts was wearing a Police jacket.

thats half of the problem right there

police jackets ,uniforms,hats ,bullet vests ,t-shirts ,badges for your car / motorcycle,stickers ,helmets ,walkie talkies,belts ,gun holsters , ,batons ,tazers ,handcuffs etc are on sale in nearly every district in bkk

it should be illegal for anyone who isnt a serving member of the RTP to be in posession of any article that bears the emblem of the RTP or thai special forces

what other capital cities would you be able to buy police kit and wear it as you go driving around on your motorbike ?

why they havent cracked down on this i have no idea ?

theres a stall opposite the police station in RCA most days where you can buy new police equipment (presumably original issue from the police supplies )

&lt;deleted&gt; country would allow this to go on outside a police station unless their just selling their own gear and ordering more at taxpayer expense ....................

[moe666]

they will be released on bail (possibly paid for by the government) and their cases heard in court in 3-5 years from now... they will be either charged with assult and fined 500b or released citing lack of evidence or 'the Monk caused it' excuse

I see the biting pic. Where are the arrest pics

No arrest pics as they turned themselves in and were released on bail, the old in and out

[robblok]

This clearly shows how savage the Reds are even monks aren't save. Anyone defending this like many red supporters here are as crazy as they are. Violence against someone is never an answer. The fact that it happend in front of a police station shows the alliance of the police.

Sheds a lot more light on the fact why the police cant find the reds responsible for the Trad massacre and all those grenades thrown. The only time they catch someone is when there is either too much proof to brush it away or when it is from the other side.

Then you got Tarit saying the monk asked for it as he presumably threw a bottle.. yes throwing (presumably who says not made up) a water bottle warrants this in the mind of red supporters. Good example of what awaits us if the Shin dictatorship is not thrown over. They love violence. Cutting down kids in Trad.. lobbing grenades and assaulting monks.

Its a shame for Thailand that there are more unintelligent people as intelligent people (bell curb on IQ) so PTP will always have loads of support. But most foreigners are a bit more educated and support the Democrats.. only a few outcasts and paid for posters support the Reds

[BLUENILE]

"Therefore, CAPO would like to urge the leaders of all political groups to refrain from any act of provocation and confrontation," Mr. Tharit said, "The leaders should be aware that their actions will severely affect the country".

Mr. Tharit get it right please, a group of Redshirts beat up a Buddhist monk, not a protester of a political group.

[Malone]

One of the violence lover red-shirts was wearing a Police jacket.

As he's not one of the 4, I await the new thread:

Monk-Beating Red-Shirt-Policeman Under Arrest : Police

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[Lupatria]

They probably mistook this poor guy for the self-proclaimed jet set abbot who really deserved this treatment.

[gabruce]

they will be released on bail (possibly paid for by the government) and their cases heard in court in 3-5 years from now... they will be either charged with assult and fined 500b or released citing lack of evidence or 'the Monk caused it' excuse

Didn't know it was a farang monk.

explain the joke please.

[moe666]

Someone made the statement that becoming a monk isn't a life long decision in Thailand this is a false and incorrect statement as anyone living long term in Thailand knows the difference between those who are just making merit and those who have taken the oath of renunciation at the age of 18 or older.

[moe666]

they will be released on bail (possibly paid for by the government) and their cases heard in court in 3-5 years from now... they will be either charged with assult and fined 500b or released citing lack of evidence or 'the Monk caused it' excuse

Didn't know it was a farang monk.

explain the joke please.

It is always a faranges fault when something goes wrong

[gabruce]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

Did you even stop to read the article? The monk berated the red shirts because they were beating up another man and he told them to stop. Seems buddhist to me, though I'm not an expert. If you were being beaten, or robbed, wouldn't you want someone to tell the people to stop beating/robbing you, or do you think passerby's should encourage the violence? I realize that the Red Shirts believe that the monk shouldn't have told them to stop - and probably told them they were acting badly and not like good people.

[geriatrickid]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

True under Thai Buddhism, his acts were against his very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows that he undertook. This though in no way exonerates what the people did in return.

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You appear to be an expert on Thai Buddhism. Would you please enlighten the public on this forum about the very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows the monk in question undertook. And then please explain us where did he go wrong.

You have asked an excellent question. As I am not an expert and must rely upon those who are considered experts, I offer the following guidance;

“Direct involvement in political activity, strictly speaking, is not sanctioned,”- Paul Harrison, professor of Buddhist studies at Stanford University, excerpt from his interview on Buddhist teachings and the acceptable role of monks in politics

In countries,such as Sri Lanka where Buddhists monks have been active in political actions and have been accused of inciting violence, there is a trend to be even more specific and forbidding of any form of political activity. For example, News 1 of Sri Lanka reported last month as follows;

It has been decided to prohibit monks of the Amarapura Sri Saddhamma Wanshika Maha Nikaya to engage in politics, without permission.

The Sangha Council of the Chapter arrived at this decision when it met at the Welisara Kappina Walawwa Sri Ma Malakaya in Balapitiya on Monday.

Co-Registrar of Amarapura Sri Saddhamma Wanshika Maha Nikaya, Ven. Balapitiya Siriseevali Thera expressed the following views:

“We arrived at this historic decision after extensively discussing the activites of Bhikkhus at present. We arrived at this historic decision to stop monks from sitting on the streets, creating conflicts with the police in a sensitive manner, speaking in a manner unbefitting of a monk and other things so that we can bring forth a serene Bikkhu society.”

The Wall Street Journal had a rather candid article earlier this month that discussed the political activities of monks. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304834704579402350661992292

It cuts both ways though as monks have been accused of taking the Redshirt side too. It didn't bother the former Abhisit government when monks were detained and allegedly roughed up in 2010. The WSJ makes two valid observations;

The competing factions have used monks to add a measure of spiritual legitimacy to their cause, and Phra Buddha Issara is just one of several taking sides. In 2010, hundreds of clerics quietly lent their support to pro-Shinawatra "Red Shirt" protesters, dozens of whom were shot dead by security forces in Bangkok while pushing for new elections.A dozen senior monks were placed on the then-government's security watch list. Some, including monks who, like many of the Red Shirts, come from the northeast of the country, joined protests as a kind of human shield to deter action from security forces

Some Buddhist organizations have tried to put the brakes on Phra Buddha Issara's activism, warning him that he is violating clerical rules by taking such a public, political stance in a country where monks aren't even allowed to vote.

In consideration of the above, it is why I believe that the monk was not behaving as a monk when he entered into a dispute with the protestors.

The Pollyanna brigade of TVF have accused me of attempting to excuse or justify the physical assault on the man in the monk's robes. I haven't done so, as an assault is wrong. Mob violence is wrong. However, the kidnapping and torture allegations in respect to Phra Buddha Issara in Bangkok have struck a nerve with some people and they have no patience for politicking monks. I suppose it would be akin to a RC Bishop in a parish where children were molested, to lecture parents on how to raise their children. The parishioners would be in no mood to get such a lecture.

[gabruce]

they will be released on bail (possibly paid for by the government) and their cases heard in court in 3-5 years from now... they will be either charged with assult and fined 500b or released citing lack of evidence or 'the Monk caused it' excuse

Didn't know it was a farang monk.

explain the joke please.

It is always a faranges fault when something goes wrong

Thanks. I'm slow this morning (at least I'll claim that it's just this morning and not always!)

[Malone]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

True under Thai Buddhism, his acts were against his very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows that he undertook. This though in no way exonerates what the people did in return.

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You appear to be an expert on Thai Buddhism. Would you please enlighten the public on this forum about the very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows the monk in question undertook. And then please explain us where did he go wrong.

The crickets are literally chirping with no reply whatsoever from cricketnut

[gabruce]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

True under Thai Buddhism, his acts were against his very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows that he undertook. This though in no way exonerates what the people did in return.

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE 8.2 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

You appear to be an expert on Thai Buddhism. Would you please enlighten the public on this forum about the very oaths to the lord Buddha and the vows the monk in question undertook. And then please explain us where did he go wrong.

You have asked an excellent question. As I am not an expert and must rely upon those who are considered experts, I offer the following guidance;

“Direct involvement in political activity, strictly speaking, is not sanctioned,”- Paul Harrison, professor of Buddhist studies at Stanford University, excerpt from his interview on Buddhist teachings and the acceptable role of monks in politics

In countries,such as Sri Lanka where Buddhists monks have been active in political actions and have been accused of inciting violence, there is a trend to be even more specific and forbidding of any form of political activity. For example, News 1 of Sri Lanka reported last month as follows;

It has been decided to prohibit monks of the Amarapura Sri Saddhamma Wanshika Maha Nikaya to engage in politics, without permission.

The Sangha Council of the Chapter arrived at this decision when it met at the Welisara Kappina Walawwa Sri Ma Malakaya in Balapitiya on Monday.

Co-Registrar of Amarapura Sri Saddhamma Wanshika Maha Nikaya, Ven. Balapitiya Siriseevali Thera expressed the following views:

“We arrived at this historic decision after extensively discussing the activites of Bhikkhus at present. We arrived at this historic decision to stop monks from sitting on the streets, creating conflicts with the police in a sensitive manner, speaking in a manner unbefitting of a monk and other things so that we can bring forth a serene Bikkhu society.”

The Wall Street Journal had a rather candid article earlier this month that discussed the political activities of monks. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304834704579402350661992292

It cuts both ways though as monks have been accused of taking the Redshirt side too. It didn't bother the former Abhisit government when monks were detained and allegedly roughed up in 2010. The WSJ makes two valid observations;

The competing factions have used monks to add a measure of spiritual legitimacy to their cause, and Phra Buddha Issara is just one of several taking sides. In 2010, hundreds of clerics quietly lent their support to pro-Shinawatra "Red Shirt" protesters, dozens of whom were shot dead by security forces in Bangkok while pushing for new elections.A dozen senior monks were placed on the then-government's security watch list. Some, including monks who, like many of the Red Shirts, come from the northeast of the country, joined protests as a kind of human shield to deter action from security forces

Some Buddhist organizations have tried to put the brakes on Phra Buddha Issara's activism, warning him that he is violating clerical rules by taking such a public, political stance in a country where monks aren't even allowed to vote.

In consideration of the above, it is why I believe that the monk was not behaving as a monk when he entered into a dispute with the protestors.

The Pollyanna brigade of TVF have accused me of attempting to excuse or justify the physical assault on the man in the monk's robes. I haven't done so, as an assault is wrong. Mob violence is wrong. However, the kidnapping and torture allegations in respect to Phra Buddha Issara in Bangkok have struck a nerve with some people and they have no patience for politicking monks. I suppose it would be akin to a RC Bishop in a parish where children were molested, to lecture parents on how to raise their children. The parishioners would be in no mood to get such a lecture.

Is there any indication anywhere that the monk was being political (other than the fact that they were red shirts?).

[geriatrickid]

arrest the bashers ?good. no need for that.

but more importantly, its time to disrobe this con artist "monk", he is dragging buddhism into the mud by playing politics.

Did you even stop to read the article? The monk berated the red shirts because they were beating up another man and he told them to stop. Seems buddhist to me, though I'm not an expert. If you were being beaten, or robbed, wouldn't you want someone to tell the people to stop beating/robbing you, or do you think passerby's should encourage the violence? I realize that the Red Shirts believe that the monk shouldn't have told them to stop - and probably told them they were acting badly and not like good people.

What story to believe?

The original NationMedia claim that he was intervening to stop the dismantling of a PDRC stage with its booming loudspeakers. or the story you refer to, or the story that he was in a cab on the way back from a function and the cab had to stop because of the redshirts dismantling activities, or the khaosad story that says the people claimed that the monk provoked the fights by throwing a bottle of water and prodded at them with his walking cane. The supposed victim of the attack that you refer to, has yet to make an appearance to corroborate that version of events has he?

I have a feeling that the monk was pissed off that his cab ride was interrupted and he got out to take the responsible party(s) to task and saw what they were doing and became even more annoyed, and did indeed use some foul language at the people. Those people looked at the monk who had been riding in the cab and took his hectoring as an indication of presumed PDRC sympathies and set on him. The monk was not expecting such a reaction, and probably assumed that his monk's attire would intimidate those people. This does not excuse the assault. However, the monk has to understand that if a man sworn to poverty was riding in a private cab, and he gets out to give what could be perceived as a politically motivated lecture to people with a resentment of the excesses of the clergy, he's going to get a hostile reaction.