Thai PM defends herself against negligence charges

[keemapoot]

I heard she's preparing for her defense by watching old Hogan's Heros reruns:

[whybother]

As a response to the coup yes, but you proved my point without understanding it. Until men in this country start admitting their guilt instead of just pointing fingers and let common sense take over, we are not going to see the end of it. If these people want reform, how about showing an example by cleaning up the mess inside their own camp first.

As a response to the coup??? The coup happened 4 years before their protests, and 3 years after elections, and a year after the Democrats came to power.

But ... coincidentally, only a week after 46 billion baht was confiscated from Thaksin.

[Halion]

Has all the hallmarks of judicial back peddling. After initial failing to present herself she then asks for more time which was denied and now she turns up for a ten minute dialogue,asking again for more time and this time she gets it !

Strong stench of manipulation wafts through this

This country is tops for the Hub of Delayed and Most Dubious Decisions

[Old Man River]

I may be a bear of very little brain, but has anyone actually been convicted yet of corruption with regard to the rice scheme?

If they have not yet been convicted, how can she be charged with negligence, if you have yet to prove corruption?

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Boo hiss. Stop being logical. All her lawyer has to say is "what corruption?"

And the rest is hearsay. They either convict loads of them for conspiring to corrupt. Or none. But they can't get one. But hey. TIT. Who cares about laws. Let's just get Yingluck and the rest we will let off

The corruption cases against the 15 are ongoing. Apparently, they feel, based on the evidence in their possession of corruption in these separate cases, they have enough to indict YL for negligence. None of us are privy to this information, so don't jump to conclusions.

Again, this is really all moot points if 60% of the senate doesn't agree with a guilty verdict.

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What if they are found not guilty?

Its crazy to go after her before they convict anyone.

If they are found not guilty, I think it would kill their case against her. I can't see any other way.

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[Thai at Heart]

Other than what I read in the papers,no I don't know that there was corruption. Is it likely yes. Would I swear in court. No. I don't know, I believe.

If she had a report that there was corruption and she did nothing, she's in trouble. If she told them to investigate and they reported they found nothing, she's free.

They have to prove she knew and did nothing. Not easy.

Didn't she move someone into an inactive position who had said that there was corruption?

What she will say is "it was a promotion, that I heard about from my colleagues. I had nothing personal to do with it".

Next....

Bear in mind, losing money through subsidy and corruption are not the same thing.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[rubl]

"Yingluck arrived at the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) in Bangkok on Monday but made no comment to the media as she entered the building or as she left ten minutes later, an AFP reporter said."

So, even in a wheelchair it took all of 10 minutes to give a verbal testimony, handover a written testimony with 200 more pages and ask for 10 witnesses to be questioned. Was she in a hurry to go elsewhere, busy as she is as caretaker PM?

Edited April 1, 2014 by rubl

[maxme]

Nope but if they gonna indite, start with the leader that lead the blockade of the airport 2008 and all political group figures and politicians that broke the law since then but that's not gonna happen is it? How many democrats are barred or in jail for their mischief?

Not saying that some of the UDD and Pheua Thai members don´t belong there, just saying that some posters here suggest that one side is clean while the other isn't which is absolutely absurd.

They have indicted the leaders of the 2008 protests.

Which "political group figures" are you referring to?

Who has said that the Democrats are clean?

They have... ? As far as I know Chamlong and Sondhi are still here. I mean they are in hiding but they are still free to move around.

Maybe you need to check out the definition of "indicted". It doesn't mean that someone is in jail.

True, but that does mean they were to face the charges. So when did that happen?

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[Baerboxer]

I would like to challenge you, can you produce one iota of evidence that YL is corrupt??? cause if you can, better you go n tell them boy's you have all the answers, good luck with that, cheers

I can,The fact she is related by blood to one Thaksin of Arabia, a wanted criminal, is evidence enough...

Hmmm, by your thinking any person related to any criminal is also a criminal by that relationship, Bugga, I'm in some big bloody trouble then,

Now that we have your have little waffle of bull sH_t out of the way, the Question still remains,

and how about Suthep, Wonder just how many can accept the reason he was the Deputy PM then NOT, why is that??? c'mon all you Suthep lovers, defend your supreme leader if you can

So, Suthep is a crook, so let every one else off?

Suthep has not been convicted of any crime yet, only charged. Now Thaksin is a convicted crook, and faces many more serious charges.

Hey, why not let them all off. Amnesty Bill anyone?

[whybother]

Maybe you need to check out the definition of "indicted". It doesn't mean that someone is in jail.

True, but that does mean they were to face the charges. So when did that happen?

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They have been to court a number of times. You should try reading the news.

[fab4]

"Yingluck arrived at the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) in Bangkok on Monday but made no comment to the media as she entered the building or as she left ten minutes later, an AFP reporter said."

So, even in a wheelchair it took all of 10 minutes to give a verbal testimony, handover a written testimony with 200 more pages and ask for 10 witnesses to be questioned. Was she in a hurry to go elsewhere, busy as she is as caretaker PM?

Why waste time with people who aren't going to listen to you and have probably had their minds made up for them anyway? It's like posting on here.

[Pimay1]

"Yingluck arrived at the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) in Bangkok on Monday but made no comment to the media as she entered the building or as she left ten minutes later, an AFP reporter said."

So, even in a wheelchair it took all of 10 minutes to give a verbal testimony, handover a written testimony with 200 more pages and ask for 10 witnesses to be questioned. Was she in a hurry to go elsewhere, busy as she is as caretaker PM?

Can't let these nasty NACC people intefere with a scheduled Skype call.

[fab4]

Maybe you need to check out the definition of "indicted". It doesn't mean that someone is in jail.

True, but that does mean they were to face the charges. So when did that happen?

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They have been to court a number of times. You should try reading the news.

A number of times? - I'll think you'll find their lawyers have been to court a number of times, coming up with different excuses as to why the defendants couldn't possibly find the time to turn up in person. Maybe you should try reading the news, but not from on here.

Just out of interest have they paid the $17 Million US fine they were given back in March 2011? I can't find anything about it anywhere after the fine was imposed. Surely the Courts wouldn't have let that slide

Edited April 1, 2014 by fab4

[rubl]

"Yingluck arrived at the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) in Bangkok on Monday but made no comment to the media as she entered the building or as she left ten minutes later, an AFP reporter said."

So, even in a wheelchair it took all of 10 minutes to give a verbal testimony, handover a written testimony with 200 more pages and ask for 10 witnesses to be questioned. Was she in a hurry to go elsewhere, busy as she is as caretaker PM?

Why waste time with people who aren't going to listen to you and have probably had their minds made up for them anyway? It's like posting on here.

now you're being very unfriendly and unjust, my dear fabs.

The topic had

"PM Yingluck ... asked the NACC to question 10 more witnesses and give more time for her lawyers to submit more evidence," commission member Pakdee Pothisiri told reporters. "We will discuss both of these requests tomorrow... we are glad that she came, the atmosphere was good," he added."

[rubl]

Maybe you need to check out the definition of "indicted". It doesn't mean that someone is in jail.

True, but that does mean they were to face the charges. So when did that happen?

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They have been to court a number of times. You should try reading the news.

A number of times? - I'll think you'll find their lawyers have been to court a number of times, coming up with different excuses as to why the defendants couldn't possibly find the time to turn up in person. Maybe you should try reading the news, but not from on here.

Just out of interest have they paid the $17 Million US fine they were given back in March 2011? I can't find anything about it anywhere after the fine was imposed. Surely the Courts wouldn't have let that slide

'defendants'? You mean Suthep I guess.

Mind you both Abhisit and Suthep have been wondering why their case wasn't first dropped at the NACC, but given directly to the Criminal Court via the OAG.

As for your interest, maybe start with providing us with more details on that US$17m fine you talk about. Then we can do some searching, even for the verdict which included that amount.

Anyway, Ms. Yingluck isn't facing a court, just an independent watchdog which has a few quostions on the rice price pledging scheme which not only managed to lose 700++ billion in two years, but even saw her government needing to extend the coverage period of the blanket amnesty bill to include the her first two years of pledging fun and 'taking care of corruption'

Edited April 1, 2014 by rubl

[whybother]

Maybe you need to check out the definition of "indicted". It doesn't mean that someone is in jail.

True, but that does mean they were to face the charges. So when did that happen?

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They have been to court a number of times. You should try reading the news.

A number of times? - I'll think you'll find their lawyers have been to court a number of times, coming up with different excuses as to why the defendants couldn't possibly find the time to turn up in person. Maybe you should try reading the news, but not from on here.

Just out of interest have they paid the $17 Million US fine they were given back in March 2011? I can't find anything about it anywhere after the fine was imposed. Surely the Courts wouldn't have let that slide

Enough times to be found guilty. As you can see with Yingluck, the defendant doesn't need to turn up to court every time.

[marstons]

Bet she still comes out of it smiling and her wealth grown by a few more millions, yes she going to be devastated either way. As for prison like to see who has the balls to put a Chin clan member in the nick..

[airconsult]

Other than what I read in the papers,no I don't know that there was corruption. Is it likely yes. Would I swear in court. No. I don't know, I believe.

If she had a report that there was corruption and she did nothing, she's in trouble. If she told them to investigate and they reported they found nothing, she's free.

They have to prove she knew and did nothing. Not easy.

Didn't she move someone into an inactive position who had said that there was corruption?

What she will say is "it was a promotion, that I heard about from my colleagues. I had nothing personal to do with it".

Next....

Bear in mind, losing money through subsidy and corruption are not the same thing.

Thank-you for pointing that out again.

People keep screaming 400 billion - OMG - what was the cost of the EU farm subsidy last year? Or the US farm subsidy?

Keep in mind, I think it's a bad idea, but I understand they were trying to break the rice buyer cartel up. The way it used to work was that the rice buyers decided what they were going to pay, and what areas belonged to each. If you refused - nobody bought your rice.

Farmer's co-ops might have worked better, but it's almost unknown here.

[Thai at Heart]

Other than what I read in the papers,no I don't know that there was corruption. Is it likely yes. Would I swear in court. No. I don't know, I believe.

If she had a report that there was corruption and she did nothing, she's in trouble. If she told them to investigate and they reported they found nothing, she's free.

They have to prove she knew and did nothing. Not easy.

Didn't she move someone into an inactive position who had said that there was corruption?

What she will say is "it was a promotion, that I heard about from my colleagues. I had nothing personal to do with it".

Next....

Bear in mind, losing money through subsidy and corruption are not the same thing.

Thank-you for pointing that out again.

People keep screaming 400 billion - OMG - what was the cost of the EU farm subsidy last year? Or the US farm subsidy?

Keep in mind, I think it's a bad idea, but I understand they were trying to break the rice buyer cartel up. The way it used to work was that the rice buyers decided what they were going to pay, and what areas belonged to each. If you refused - nobody bought your rice.

Farmer's co-ops might have worked better, but it's almost unknown here.

No doubt. An old friend of mine, worked on the EU for a project for silk production in the North East. After 3 years, yields were way up, designs were improved, margins were way up, farmers were making money, plenty of money.

He went to Bangkok to present his findings. The agriculture ministry were over the moon. How did you do it?

"I made a co-operative" in each village.

The smiles fell off their faces. Lets not be having any of that communist stuff was more or less their answer.

Collective purchase, collective bargaining. Its not Thainess, you know.

[maxme]

As a response to the coup yes, but you proved my point without understanding it. Until men in this country start admitting their guilt instead of just pointing fingers and let common sense take over, we are not going to see the end of it. If these people want reform, how about showing an example by cleaning up the mess inside their own camp first.

As a response to the coup??? The coup happened 4 years before their protests, and 3 years after elections, and a year after the Democrats came to power.

But ... coincidentally, only a week after 46 billion baht was confiscated from Thaksin.

Yeah it´s all about Thaksin... My point went a bit further than this short-sighted statement.

[SOTIRIOS]

Yingluck gives 200 pages of defence evidence to NACC, Suranand

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra Monday gave 200 pages of evidence to the National Anti-Corruption Commission to defend herself the rice-pledging malfeasance case, PM's Secretary General Suranand Vejjajiva said.

Yingluck asked the NACC to consider her documents and she would be willing to provide more information if needed.

Yingluck also told the NACC that she has prepared 11 witnesses to argue against the charges in 13 points, according to Suranand.

-- The Nation 2014-03-31

...written by........???

...prepared by....???

[metisdead]

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