Thai Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another

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BURNING ISSUE
Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another
Supon Thanukid
Nation News Agency

BANGKOK: -- As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue, so do the legal cases against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and her government. This seems to indicate that the government is approaching the end of the "democratic rope" as it clings to power.

If the Yingluck government is viewed as a ship, then over the past five months it has been buffeted by stormy seas of criticism and legal cases - and the ship itself is leaking badly. Everyone on board is nervous, blaming each other for the forces of nature - and for their fate.

These people never looked at themselves and asked whether they were steering the ship in the right direction. Had they avoided this foreseeable storm, they would not be in this problematic position.

However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders.

Having been steered through so many storms, now the ship seems weak, and everyone on board is exhausted.

Bias can be very powerful. It can change a great deed into an ordinary action. It can change a small mistake into a fatal issue.

Moreover, it can erode a person's conscience, and diminish their ability to tell the difference between what's good and what's bad.

One can view all a person's good deeds as bad simply because one does not like that person. One can turn a deaf ear to warnings from good friends, because of bias and prejudice.

It can never be wrong to say that bias is poisonous to friendships.

I am not talking about the opposition Democrat Party's criticisms and warnings, which might have political intentions. Every government refuses to listen to the opposition, dismissing them as politically motivated attempts to discredit or discourage the government from doing something that will benefit it politically.

Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country. If the government had listened to them and considered what it was doing, it could have prevented such losses.

A clear example is the case of negligence that the National Anti-Corruption Commission has brought against Yingluck related to the rice-pledging scheme. Many people from various groups have voiced opposition to the scheme and issued repeated warnings about losses. The government, including the prime minister herself, has insisted on proceeding with the scheme.

On the anti-government side, the People's Democratic Reform Committee should also ask itself what it has done wrong. Seeing their own mistakes might lead them to be less prejudiced and allow them to ask themselves what else they can do to improve Thailand's political situation.

Many outsiders have said repeatedly that the conflicting parties should talk. For the sake of the country they should stop and listen.

Despite arrest warrants being issued against the PDRC leaders, the protests go on.

Meanwhile, the rulings in the legal cases faced by the government lie ahead.

If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope - or even see it slip out of their hands.

And when that time comes, it might be too late to examine where they have gone wrong.


-- The Nation 2014-04-04

[bangkokheat]

why should the government listen to anyone, after all they went to the best schools and universities, which would make them smart right?

[WoopyDoo]

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

[noitom]

Everyone knows that stopping to talk and negotiation is way out of reach for Thailand at this stage. The newspaper is being misleading not to come right out and state that. Before any talks or negotiating can be meaningful, Thailand needs stated reform platforms. Each of these so called 73 parties should develop a reform platform , campaign that platform, then consolidate down to three parties and then let the Thai people decide. Why is this simple process so elusive and not understood by the Thai press?

[The stuttering parrot]

Bias can be very powerful!

Indeed it can Nation newspaper!

[NongKhaiKid]

If YL's government is a ship sailing into storm after storm let's not forget who is the Great Helmsman

[Chupup]

Unfortunatly the PT only listen to the desert rat......................

[ratcatcher]

If YL's government is a ship sailing into storm after storm let's not forget who is the Great Helmsman

Remember the frequent comparisons between the PTP and the Thaitanic, well finally we see the "captain" being questioned.

[WoopyDoo]

'However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders.'

It said in the paragraph before that Yingluck 'and her government' was the ship.

The actual captain is in Dubai.

Edited April 4, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[WoopyDoo]

Everyone knows that stopping to talk and negotiation is way out of reach for Thailand at this stage. The newspaper is being misleading not to come right out and state that. Before any talks or negotiating can be meaningful, Thailand needs stated reform platforms. Each of these so called 73 parties should develop a reform platform , campaign that platform, then consolidate down to three parties and then let the Thai people decide. Why is this simple process so elusive and not understood by the Thai press?

When you say 'everyone should STOP'

Are you suggesting that Thailand unconstitutionally suspends the rule of law for the benefit of the government?

Would you in that case agree to suspend democracy itself in Thailand?

If so, then I suppose the so called democratic government should also be suspended.

Hey... YL vowed to die on the field of democracy, she doesn't seem to enjoy being on that field all of a sudden.

Edited April 4, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[Fryslan boppe]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

Edited April 4, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[whybother]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

Do you write for the Thai Political Prisoners website? If you don't, you should acknowledge when you copy from them (even if you do change a couple of words), otherwise you will be accused of plagiarism.

[binjalin]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

[opalred]

i think she is sailing into burma port loaded with baht and convert all shin funds to burma currency as it will rise soon as developing country and baht heading to crash cheers allan

[Scamper]

This article soberly sums up many good points. Indeed, Pheu Thai could have avoided a great deal of the predicament they now find themselves in. Without the amnesty bill, for example, they'd likely still be in power. But what even this article doesn't take fully into account was Pheu Thai's endemic addiction towards programmes and actions that were motivated by the desire to consolidate their advantage - the attempted changes to the charter bill, and the disastrous rice scheme meant to be continued at all costs in order to shore up the base. It could be argued - and credibly - that all political parties are wired towards their own benefit. That is true, but never to such a degree has a public been treated to

such a brazen display of it. At a certain point, the public resisted. The band was stretched too far. The writer of this article opens with a very good observation. There has indeed been an orchestrated and concerted effort by Pheu Thai to question the authority of judicial rulings in ways both subtle and explicit. Because we have seen a lot of that in recent weeks, we have become aware of the Yingluck administration's desperation. This has surprised many people, even those quite familiar with Pheu Thai and Thaksin, to the degree that they were prepared to go. Yingluck could have exited gracefully from this ( as she purportedly had considered doing in January ). But by exiting the stage with petty statements about judicial fairness she has created an aura of shame. There are ways to leave gracefully. And then there is that.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Scamper

[WoopyDoo]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

'WE' have the moral high ground????????

You aint even Thai!!!

Moral high ground??????

After all the corruption, theft, destruction of ALL democratic principles while in office and state backed terrorism as the cherry on the top and you have the absolute audacity to claim that 'YOU' are on the moral high ground?????????

[gabruce]

why should the government listen to anyone, after all they went to the best schools and universities, which would make them smart right?

Yes, but did they attend class, do assignments, or write exams?

[Tatsujin]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

<rolls on floor pissing himself with laughter>

"moral highground"????? You really are brainwashed to believe that . . . PT/Thaksin have NO morals, scruples or integrity and the reason they are in the situation they are in is BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAW AND STOLE LOTS OF MONEY. It's as simple as that.

If they had NOT been as stupid and corrupt as they are, the Courts would have had NOTHING to convict them on . . . as it stands, there's a long, long list of things they have done wrong/illegally and they are now being shown up for the cheating liars they truly are. Live with it. Your perfect party is not so perfect, surprise surprise.

[pmugghc]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

Fryslan, you're losing your edge. A post without mentioning Suthep, fascists, and thugs! But you nailed Elitists a few times...

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[worgeordie]

Yes,the Thaitanic has sprung a few leaks,and seems to be slowing

sinking,with the weight of nepotism,corruption,violence and stupidity

and I cannot see anyone who has the ability,or heart to save the

country and bring it by the back of the neck,struggling and screaming,

back to normality and sensibility, thats the sad part.

regards Worgeordie

[binjalin]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

<rolls on floor pissing himself with laughter>

"moral highground"????? You really are brainwashed to believe that . . . PT/Thaksin have NO morals, scruples or integrity and the reason they are in the situation they are in is BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAW AND STOLE LOTS OF MONEY. It's as simple as that.

If they had NOT been as stupid and corrupt as they are, the Courts would have had NOTHING to convict them on . . . as it stands, there's a long, long list of things they have done wrong/illegally and they are now being shown up for the cheating liars they truly are. Live with it. Your perfect party is not so perfect, surprise surprise.

Thaksin? what's this to do with Thaksin? (very, very little)

corrupt? "stole lots of money" you have evidence? another ignorant post that does not understand the Thai "system" is not as "clean" as they are led to believe

why are you so biased? go back, have a Chang, and re-think

[binjalin]

Yes,the Thaitanic has sprung a few leaks,and seems to be slowing

sinking,with the weight of nepotism,corruption,violence and stupidity

and I cannot see anyone who has the ability,or heart to save the

country and bring it by the back of the neck,struggling and screaming,

back to normality and sensibility, thats the sad part.

regards Worgeordie

well I agree it IS sinking but I differ on the cause... lack of transparency, lack of REAL democracy, mob rule, judicial coup, ammart raging against the paradigm shit etc. etc.

anyway what's next? hopefully better days at some stage - reform is desperately needed starting with judiciary and restoring some faith in the "system"

[Eric Loh]

Done and dusted as destined by the powerful old elite clique refusing to relinquish their hold and pushing aside the voices of the majority. So another Prime Minister will bit the dust and kept out of politics for 5 years. Gue sera sera. This power display by the judiciary for a consecutive 4 prime ministers (all oppositions) is so obvious and blatant and it will only sooner rather than later that the people will react with anger. They have push them too hard and too far. If it happen, just don't reward Suterp with a neutral prime minister. Let the caretaker government continue, agreed on reform, hold an election (guess who will win again) and implement the reform.

[kratiam]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

<rolls on floor pissing himself with laughter>

"moral highground"????? You really are brainwashed to believe that . . . PT/Thaksin have NO morals, scruples or integrity and the reason they are in the situation they are in is BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAW AND STOLE LOTS OF MONEY. It's as simple as that.

If they had NOT been as stupid and corrupt as they are, the Courts would have had NOTHING to convict them on . . . as it stands, there's a long, long list of things they have done wrong/illegally and they are now being shown up for the cheating liars they truly are. Live with it. Your perfect party is not so perfect, surprise surprise.

Thaksin? what's this to do with Thaksin? (very, very little)

corrupt? "stole lots of money" you have evidence? another ignorant post that does not understand the Thai "system" is not as "clean" as they are led to believe

why are you so biased? go back, have a Chang, and re-think

Utter nonsense....and very patronising!

[rubl]

Done and dusted as destined by the powerful old elite clique refusing to relinquish their hold and pushing aside the voices of the majority. So another Prime Minister will bit the dust and kept out of politics for 5 years. Gue sera sera. This power display by the judiciary for a consecutive 4 prime ministers (all oppositions) is so obvious and blatant and it will only sooner rather than later that the people will react with anger. They have push them too hard and too far. If it happen, just don't reward Suterp with a neutral prime minister. Let the caretaker government continue, agreed on reform, hold an election (guess who will win again) and implement the reform.

I thought the topic was on the Yingluck government clinging to power with the caretaker MoFA warning what could happen if justice is seen to be done.?

[hawker9000]

why should the government listen to anyone, after all they went to the best schools and universities, which would make them smart right?

Kentucky State??!! Yeah, a real academic powerhouse.

[WoopyDoo]

Done and dusted as destined by the powerful old elite clique refusing to relinquish their hold and pushing aside the voices of the majority. So another Prime Minister will bit the dust and kept out of politics for 5 years. Gue sera sera. This power display by the judiciary for a consecutive 4 prime ministers (all oppositions) is so obvious and blatant and it will only sooner rather than later that the people will react with anger. They have push them too hard and too far. If it happen, just don't reward Suterp with a neutral prime minister. Let the caretaker government continue, agreed on reform, hold an election (guess who will win again) and implement the reform.

Yawn....

Give up already.

Your glorious PTP have already lost your argument for you.

So who will win again?.... the PTP will have been dissolved by then, and reforms will keep out the shins.... So go on, tell us who will win...... erm..... 'again'

[Mentors]

Done and dusted as destined by the powerful old elite clique refusing to relinquish their hold and pushing aside the voices of the majority. So another Prime Minister will bit the dust and kept out of politics for 5 years. Gue sera sera. This power display by the judiciary for a consecutive 4 prime ministers (all oppositions) is so obvious and blatant and it will only sooner rather than later that the people will react with anger. They have push them too hard and too far. If it happen, just don't reward Suterp with a neutral prime minister. Let the caretaker government continue, agreed on reform, hold an election (guess who will win again) and implement the reform.

The best thing is to know that even for the old elite clique the clock of live is ticking. Thanks God.

[tingtongteesood]

Again, with feeling.

Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:

>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."

Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.

>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."

Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.

>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"

In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.

>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"

The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.

The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties

>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"

More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......

we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement

they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow

'Moral highground' ?You call stealing hundreds of billions of baht and murdering 20 people including children 'moral highground' ? Would hate to know what you consider the low ground to be !!!

Elections do not make people's crimes moral.

next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)

Of course you convenmiently neglect to mention that he was transferred so that Yingluck could install yet another of her relatives nepotistically as police chief so that the Shin clan could strengthen its grip on the corrupt police force to control the country for their own gain. Stop spinning and let's have the whole truth instead of your skewed, distorted, biased bs version of it.

[ianf]

Bias can be very powerful!

Indeed it can Nation newspaper!

Just 20 posts Mr Newbie? Well what is the difference between the so-called Bias of The Nation and the propaganda spread by the Red Media (TV, Radio, Newspapers, paid-for posters on web forums)?

One way of controlling the population is by controlling the media. That's why Mr Thaksin threatened newspapers and withdrew Government advertising from any newspaper that did not support him during his 'government'.

Recently, the Red Media willfully misreported events such as the red violent attack on a passing monk: The Red Media had him as a non-monk, an infiltrator, a PDRC supporter and so on. The described him as having thrown bottles at the red shirts. All of which is blatant misreporting and absolutely not true.

Then there is the case of the non-payment to farmers. The Red Media tried to spread the lie that Suthep had deliberately blocked these payments, which is why the farmers had not been paid. Then we had the issue of the banners proclaiming an independent Republic of Lanna. Oh Dear! We read in the Red Media that these had been placed by Suthep's people. All lies off course.

What The Nation has done is to offer opinion. This is quite different from blatant misreporting and lies. So please take a little time to reconsider your post Mr Parrot and please do not repeat Thaksin propaganda in a parrot-like fashion.