Thaksin pleas for unity and peace

[Wombat6]

Sorry all you anti Thaksin people , but you are gravely mistaken !!!

Rich Teacher has it absolutely right and the majority of voters agree with that view .

Wow, Rich Teacher got a vote for his post, the only problem is he voted for himself.

The other problem is that the voters voting for Thaksin or his clone had nothing like a majority.

And did Abhisit and the Democrats, did they get anything like a majority ??

No, Abhisit and the Democrats got something that looked less of a majority than what Thaksin got.

And here we see, a load of people calling for democracy, wanting Suthep to oust Thaksin, and then bring in Abhisit !!

Thaksin is a criminal who fled Thailand. He didn't get any majority as he was not in any election.

[rabas]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said! Can anyone show me one global leader currently that isn't endowed with a certain level of ego, self-serving interests and hypocrisy? For all his faults, has Thailand been better off or worse off since he was deposed?

False logic.

Thaksin was not disposed of. No one was able to catch him and put him in the disposal or wat furnace. He is now, currently behind the majority of the countries political problems. Clue, a strong clue as certain as the sun will rise, absolute as gravity, his Sister.

[Ricardo]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said. it is apparent that very few realise that Thaksin was seen as a 'dictator' all because he tried to claw back control of the country from the autonomous bureaucracy - the 'real' source of much of Thaialnd's corruption. Few seem to know tha that Thaksin's government was deemed the LEAST corrupt government in decades and was even deemed LESS corrupt that the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe. It is not surprising then that either sacked or threatened powerful governemnt officials and the eleite they served conspired against him. Thaksin was even ousted from government without any evidence of corruption whatsoever! The only eveidnce came 3 years later in the form of 'using his political power to purchase land for his wife's home'!

http://assassinationthaksin.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/thaksin-corruption-what-transparency-international-says-vs-what-elite-thai-establishment-says/

"the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe"

Do you have any link for this claim, as I don't recall any Democrat-led coalition-government before December-2008, with three other governments in-between, the military-junta-appointed one of PM-Sorayud, followed by the PPP-led coalitions of PM-Samak & PM-Somchai ?

Perhaps I wasn't paying attention, or perhaps you're mistaken, I'm curious as to which is true ?

Edited April 14, 2014 by Ricardo

[wolfmanjack]

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What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

This is why this place is in such a mess, the guy is a slow learner, as for he's business empire , he sure must have had some brainy people surrounding him , cause he ain't got any.

Funny thing about monopolies. If you got one you don't have to be too bright to get rich from it. Unless of course it is a monopoly on something no one wants.

"After a brush with bankruptcy, Thaksin eventually obtained a monopoly on satellite communications and a cell phone concession, and he rapidly translated these into a vast fortune."

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Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said! Can anyone show me one global leader currently that isn't endowed with a certain level of ego, self-serving interests and hypocrisy? For all his faults, has Thailand been better off or worse off since he was deposed?

So that makes breaking / ignoring / changing the law on your own wins and for your own enrichment all OK does it?

And more ...

[djjamie]

The unelectable thaksin must be so frustrated with his electoral futility that he is now pleading.

Now back to the real world where the PTP are fighting for an election so, if won, they can put the unelectable back into the top position.

[tezzainoz]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said! Can anyone show me one global leader currently that isn't endowed with a certain level of ego, self-serving interests and hypocrisy? For all his faults, has Thailand been better off or worse off since he was deposed?

That answer is easy

YES

[marstons]

What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

Not a bad record as Prime minister, come the next election his Reds will be swept back to power with maybe another Chin at the top, that is when Suthep gives in to Democracy. Sabai dee Bee Mai Khun Thaskin.

Political debut[edit]

Thaksin entered politics in late 1994 through Chamlong Srimuang, who had just reclaimed the position of Palang Dharma Party (PDP) leader from Boonchu Rojanastien. In a subsequent purge of Boonchu-affiliated PDP Cabinet ministers, Thaksin was appointed Foreign Minister in December 1994, replacing Prasong Soonsiri.^[23] Thaksin left Palang Dharma along with many of its MPs in 1996, and founded the populist Thai Rak Thai (TRT) party in 1998. After a historic election victory in 2001, he became prime minister, the country's first to serve a full term.^[24] Thaksin introduced a range of policies to alleviate rural poverty; highly popular, they helped reduce poverty by half in four years.^[25][26] He launched the country's first universal healthcare program,^[27] the 30-baht scheme, as well as a highly notorious drug suppression campaign.^[28] Thaksin embarked on a massive program of infrastructure investment, including roads, public transit, and Suvarnabhumi Airport. Nevertheless, public sector debt fell from 57% of GDP in January 2001 to 41% in September 2006.^[29][30] Levels of corruption were perceived to have fallen, with Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index improving from 3.2 to 3.8 between 2001 and 2005.^[31] The Thai Rak Thai party won an unprecedented landslide in the 2005 general election, which had the highest voter turnout in Thai history.^[32][33][34] Twelve years later, after Thaksin was removed from power, Chamlong Srimuang expressed regret at getting "such a corrupt person" into politics. The PDP soon withdrew from the government over the Sor Por Kor 4-01 land reform corruption scandal, causing the government of Chuan Leekpai to collapse.

[connda]

Let me run this through my Double-Speak Dictionary (1984 edition):

Pleas for Unity and Peace = create disunity and chaos, displace the current judical system, drop all charges, and ride the populace (red) wave back into power.

If Mr. T. wants true unity and peace, he should come back and do his 2 years in jail. The country will be his when he gets out. Imho.

[marcusd]

What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

Such as?

It started with his thieving of government grants after the Phuket tsunami. FOREIGN NATIONALS donating to Thailand to help them and he stole it. THAT IS WHY AUSTRALIA DID NOT donate CASH but sent troops. So there is YOUR proof to commence

"Foreign aid is taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to the rich people in poor countries"

- Ron Paul.

Oh how funny - you indeed are a sad indivudual as my post was about the TRUE suffering of people. They are not beings with null feelings as you seem to perpetuate with your illicitly ill comments

[TallPalm]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said. it is apparent that very few realise that Thaksin was seen as a 'dictator' all because he tried to claw back control of the country from the autonomous bureaucracy - the 'real' source of much of Thaialnd's corruption. Few seem to know tha that Thaksin's government was deemed the LEAST corrupt government in decades and was even deemed LESS corrupt that the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe. It is not surprising then that either sacked or threatened powerful governemnt officials and the eleite they served conspired against him. Thaksin was even ousted from government without any evidence of corruption whatsoever! The only eveidnce came 3 years later in the form of 'using his political power to purchase land for his wife's home'!

http://assassinationthaksin.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/thaksin-corruption-what-transparency-international-says-vs-what-elite-thai-establishment-says/

"the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe"

Do you have any link for this claim, as I don't recall any Democrat-led coalition-government before December-2008, with three other governments in-between, the military-junta-appointed one of PM-Sorayud, followed by the PPP-led coalitions of PM-Samak & PM-Somchai ?

Perhaps I wasn't paying attention, or perhaps you're mistaken, I'm curious as to which is true ?

Exactly - the Democrats were the ones that assumed power after the 2006 coupe.... in 2008. The link with the data and hell of a lot more relevant content relating to this debate is attached to my previous comment.

[SheungWan]

The unelectable thaksin must be so frustrated with his electoral futility that he is now pleading.

Now back to the real world where the PTP are fighting for an election so, if won, they can put the unelectable back into the top position.

Thaksin as a wanted criminal on the run is not able to run for election and if the PTP acknowledged publicly that they were being directed by Thaksin, then the PTP would be disbanded. Without Thaksin or the rest of the family around, the problems of legitimacy go away.

[SheungWan]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said. it is apparent that very few realise that Thaksin was seen as a 'dictator' all because he tried to claw back control of the country from the autonomous bureaucracy - the 'real' source of much of Thaialnd's corruption. Few seem to know tha that Thaksin's government was deemed the LEAST corrupt government in decades and was even deemed LESS corrupt that the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe. It is not surprising then that either sacked or threatened powerful governemnt officials and the eleite they served conspired against him. Thaksin was even ousted from government without any evidence of corruption whatsoever! The only eveidnce came 3 years later in the form of 'using his political power to purchase land for his wife's home'!

http://assassinationthaksin.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/thaksin-corruption-what-transparency-international-says-vs-what-elite-thai-establishment-says/

"the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe"

Do you have any link for this claim, as I don't recall any Democrat-led coalition-government before December-2008, with three other governments in-between, the military-junta-appointed one of PM-Sorayud, followed by the PPP-led coalitions of PM-Samak & PM-Somchai ?

Perhaps I wasn't paying attention, or perhaps you're mistaken, I'm curious as to which is true ?

Exactly - the Democrats were the ones that assumed power after the 2006 coupe.... in 2008. The link with the data and hell of a lot more relevant content relating to this debate is attached to my previous comment.

No logic there, but the Thaksinistas aren't exactly famed for that.

[ajarnmarc]

Not very surprising that he would plead for unity.

It's his sister who is at threat of being removed from her post.

So he's just doing what any brother would do...

trying to ease the stress on his sister,

especially after she tried to bail him out,

and pave a way for him to be able to return to Thailand without any consequences for his alleged wrong doing,

while he was in power.

[Alwyn]

He's not calling for peace and unity - he is questioning and undermining the rule of law.

This should not come as a surprise to anyone, he regards himself to be above the law, he established a political party to secure his position above the law and he now wants the actions of that party when in government to be above the law.

The man is a convicted criminal on the lam.

What is he doing being allowed to speak to the nation of TV?

You've just described K. Suthep, questioning and undermining the law. Suthep also considers himself above the law, he also established a "party" to help secure his position above the law - only he isn't bothering with that voting nonsense, he want's to put an unelected (read 'cronies') in place to ruin the country further. He also wants the actions of that party to be above the law. I guess the big difference is that Suthep although charged hasn't been found guilty of his crimes yet (and i would have to say murder is a serious charge).

And here I was thinking that this topic was about Thaksin.....You and your mate that clicked a " like " seem obsessed with Suthep....Murder is a serious charge....for further information on that refer to Chalerm and Thaksin

Another die hard red sheeple absolutely full of crap !

Another brain washed yellow belly who can't accept truth or history

[SheungWan]

Not very surprising that he would plead for unity.

It's his sister who is at threat of being removed from her post.

So he's just doing what any brother would do...

trying to ease the stress on his sister,

especially after she tried to bail him out,

and pave a way for him to be able to return to Thailand without any consequences for his alleged wrong doing,

while he was in power.

No, not alleged wrong-doing. Convictions. In a court of law. Evidence unchallenged. Got that?

[Trouble]

You may like Thaksin or hate Thaksin but remember that he was put out of office by a coup not by democratic means. One can hardly blame the subsequent the state of Thai politics on Thaksin alone.

[SheungWan]

Another brain washed yellow belly who can't accept truth or history

That's probably what Thaksin's lawyers might have said to the judges who refused to accept Thaksin's bribes.

[SheungWan]

You may like Thaksin or hate Thaksin but remember that he was put out of office by a coup not by democratic means. One can hardly blame the subsequent the state of Thai politics on Thaksin alone.

No he wasn't. He wasn't even in office when the coup took place.

[Alwyn]

Another brain washed yellow belly who can't accept truth or history

That's probably what Thaksin's lawyers might have said to the judges who refused to accept Thaksin's bribes.

You might have a point there!!

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why nobody wrote in thai here !?

Because ThaiVisa.com is an English language only web-board.

You want to read public comments written in Thai? There are hundreds of such sites with enormous political content, pantip.com just one..

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You may like Thaksin or hate Thaksin but remember that he was put out of office by a coup not by democratic means. One can hardly blame the subsequent the state of Thai politics on Thaksin alone.

No he wasn't. He wasn't even in office when the coup took place.

True, he wasn't legally the pm at that time.

On the other hand there is a substantial argument that the paymaster caused the coup.

Edited April 14, 2014 by scorecard

[selftaopath]

QUOTE "He recalled that previously Thai people would help each other but today this culture has vanished and replaced by aggressive gesture instead.

Beating, mud slinging and lying are all what happened today, he said."

Yes Thaksin. I remember the Sunami at Phuket and the many poor people who suffered. Money flowed from nations with goodwill. The information is Suppressed in Thailand but I am Australian and we sent our army and government agencies because we saw what YOU Thaksin did with the money sent by many good hearted people, from the USA and Europe, you REBUILT and TOOK - stole land that was washed with waves and where many people and their families VANISHED for ever in the sea and you re wrote the title deeds to YOUR NAME and names of people YOU CONTROL and companies you inherently own.

You built GRACELANDS then and rebuilt all your hotels whilst the people begged for food and tried to locate their loved ones. It was YOUR KING that took on the responsibility of Orphans and you relied on the generosity of the nations of the world to help YOUR PEOPLE whilst your wealth grew and you state "Thai people would help eachother but the culture has vanished". IT IS YOU and your ilk that have washed that great culture away under the guise of so called democracy which is just a whitewash for your greed and the greed and ignorance of those who follow you for the crumbs you throw them.

NOTHING BAD is bad enough for you and your kind. YOU and your kind have destroyed this nation.

This si where it started to go really bad. before there was corruption and greed but now there are not words to describe what you have created.

BRAVO. I wish everyone in the world could read your post.

Thank you.

[ginjag]

You may like Thaksin or hate Thaksin but remember that he was put out of office by a coup not by democratic means. One can hardly blame the subsequent the state of Thai politics on Thaksin alone.

You may ask yourself Why was he put out of office---look it up if you do not know.

If you had a shop and your manager had his fingers in the till would you sack him or have him put out by your democratic way. ???

[Ricardo]

Just imagine the progress that could have been made if the jealous & spiteful elite hadn't turned on the best PM Thailand has ever had. Instead we have had 8 years of hatred & mayhem, with no end in sight. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Thaksin, or any other leader that had tried to prise the power away from the traditional power base, they would have ended up receiving the same fate.

Well said. it is apparent that very few realise that Thaksin was seen as a 'dictator' all because he tried to claw back control of the country from the autonomous bureaucracy - the 'real' source of much of Thaialnd's corruption. Few seem to know tha that Thaksin's government was deemed the LEAST corrupt government in decades and was even deemed LESS corrupt that the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe. It is not surprising then that either sacked or threatened powerful governemnt officials and the eleite they served conspired against him. Thaksin was even ousted from government without any evidence of corruption whatsoever! The only eveidnce came 3 years later in the form of 'using his political power to purchase land for his wife's home'!

http://assassinationthaksin.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/thaksin-corruption-what-transparency-international-says-vs-what-elite-thai-establishment-says/

"the Democrat Party that assumed power after the 2006 coupe"

Do you have any link for this claim, as I don't recall any Democrat-led coalition-government before December-2008, with three other governments in-between, the military-junta-appointed one of PM-Sorayud, followed by the PPP-led coalitions of PM-Samak & PM-Somchai ?

Perhaps I wasn't paying attention, or perhaps you're mistaken, I'm curious as to which is true ?

Exactly - the Democrats were the ones that assumed power after the 2006 coupe.... in 2008. The link with the data and hell of a lot more relevant content relating to this debate is attached to my previous comment.

So you agree that there was a couple-of-years gap, and three other governments (two of them Thaksinista) in-between, before the Democrat-led coalition-government was elected (in Parliament), as opposed to "the Democrat Party" assuming power "after the 2006 coupe" as you'd inaccurately said.

Thank-you.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Ricardo

[AleG]

What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

Not a bad record as Prime minister, come the next election his Reds will be swept back to power with maybe another Chin at the top, that is when Suthep gives in to Democracy. Sabai dee Bee Mai Khun Thaskin.

Political debut[edit]

Thaksin entered politics in late 1994 through Chamlong Srimuang, who had just reclaimed the position of Palang Dharma Party (PDP) leader from Boonchu Rojanastien. In a subsequent purge of Boonchu-affiliated PDP Cabinet ministers, Thaksin was appointed Foreign Minister in December 1994, replacing Prasong Soonsiri.^[23] Thaksin left Palang Dharma along with many of its MPs in 1996, and founded the populist Thai Rak Thai (TRT) party in 1998. After a historic election victory in 2001, he became prime minister, the country's first to serve a full term.^[24] Thaksin introduced a range of policies to alleviate rural poverty; highly popular, they helped reduce poverty by half in four years.^[25][26] He launched the country's first universal healthcare program,^[27] the 30-baht scheme, as well as a highly notorious drug suppression campaign.^[28] Thaksin embarked on a massive program of infrastructure investment, including roads, public transit, and Suvarnabhumi Airport. Nevertheless, public sector debt fell from 57% of GDP in January 2001 to 41% in September 2006.^[29][30] Levels of corruption were perceived to have fallen, with Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index improving from 3.2 to 3.8 between 2001 and 2005.^[31] The Thai Rak Thai party won an unprecedented landslide in the 2005 general election, which had the highest voter turnout in Thai history.^[32][33][34] Twelve years later, after Thaksin was removed from power, Chamlong Srimuang expressed regret at getting "such a corrupt person" into politics. The PDP soon withdrew from the government over the Sor Por Kor 4-01 land reform corruption scandal, causing the government of Chuan Leekpai to collapse.

About the "corruption went down during Thaksin's government"

Fancy that one index of Corruption Perception went down at the same time a "too rich to be corrupt" PM carried out a campaign of harrasment against any news media that reported in his government wrongs, well, knock me over with a feather.

Besides that, truly charming to call the at least 1500 extrajudicial murders of the War on Drugs as being simply "notorious".

[Thaddeus]

About the "corruption went down during Thaksin's government"

Fancy that one index of Corruption Perception went down at the same time a "too rich to be corrupt" PM carried out a campaign of harrasment against any news media that reported in his government wrongs, well, knock me over with a feather.

One of the best articles written in the day....

http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101381/Thai-Journalists-Fight-an-Unexpected-Revival-of-Press-Restrictions.aspx

(I have it on speed-paste)

[marcusd]

Selftopath thank you. My post is accurate and historically correct. I notice mo,red lovers bleeting at me now. Where is boppe or has he bopped off? Can't supress the facts here.

And I,mention The King. Whilst he is not my monarch these reds lead by Ko Tee and company threatened the monarch and I did see the video overseas. Terrible for Thai,people to,state such things.

Whilst people have various opinions on rulers everywhere

, The King has been,a stabilizing influence and was the only one to step up for his people during the Thaksin years. All Thaksin did was steal. Everything he did was a guise for theft.

Where are you bastaaaardo reds now? Can't refute truth about theft of your red leader now can you?

Marcusd. Via tapatalk

[TallPalm]

What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

Such as?

What planet do you live on?

C'mon then - out with the list... it should be an easy enough question to answer. Or is your belligerant rhetorical question the best you can do? All mouth with nothing to back it up?

Edited April 16, 2014 by TallPalm

[Artisi]

What a <deleted> hypocrite. The majority of today's problems are directly related to HIS actions.

Such as?

What planet do you live on?

C'mon then - out with the list... it should be an easy enough question to answer. Or is your belligerant rhetorical question the best you can do? All mouth with nothing to back it up?

And what was "such as" other than a lazy useless question, do your own research on the corruption, deaths, and general uselessness of the past and present care-taker Thaksin controlled government, while as a fugitive criminal he is sitting back in Dubai or where ever he is currently giving instructions to de-stabilise Thailand.

Though I suppose you agree with killing kids at peaceful rallies or out shopping while you, the police and other red arse-holes cheer these deaths.