Court allows Nuttawut and Jatuporn to remain free on bail

[Lite Beer]

Court allows Nuttawut and Jatuporn to remain free on bail
Kesinee Taengkhiao
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court decided yesterday not to revoke the bail of red-shirt leaders Jatuporn Promphan and Nuttawut Saikuar as petitioned by some Democrats.

Jatuporn, chairman of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), along with caretaker Commerce Minister Nattawut, who is also UDD secretary-general, are out on bail on charges of rebellion for their role in events culminating in the 2010 military crackdown on red-shirt protesters.

Satit Pitutacha, a former Democrat MP, filed a petition early this month for their bail to be cancelled, alleging that they had breached their bail condition by leading a red-shirt rally in Nakhon Ratchasima on February 23 and another on April 5 on Bangkok's Aksa Road.

They were accused of inciting violence, thus violating their bail terms. However, the court reasoned that there was no strong evidence to back this accusation, though it warned the two red-shirt leaders to be careful when organising or making speeches in the future.

-- The Nation 2014-04-19

[NongKhaiKid]

As I understand it they did not appears in court which has become something of a Thai tradition, if you are a ' somebody ".

We have to hope this decision was made on genuine legal grounds and not with an eye on all the intimidation that's being thrown around.

i really wouldn't like to guess which.

[MaxLee]

As I understand it they did not appears in court which has become something of a Thai tradition, if you are a ' somebody ".

We have to hope this decision was made on genuine legal grounds and not with an eye on all the intimidation that's being thrown around.

i really wouldn't like to guess which.

"Do you know who our pay master is???"

[jcb2001]

As the saying goes, "Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves."

[issanaus]

As the saying goes, "Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves."

And take a few of their friends along with them.

[tezzainoz]

If some one can show what evidence was shown to the court, and the evidence was enough or not enough

Then it will become evident if this was a political decision

If some one can show the evidence was open and clear beyond doubt, then we know the court made a biased decision

until this time there are no facts to say the decision was, "not just" and was to the letter of the law

so opinions not count, please show proof

Edited April 19, 2014 by tezzainoz

[mrtoad]

Those two clowns should be in jail just for their looks alone.

[Rich teacher]

But the precedent has been set. Just tell them you are too busy to attend.

[Thait Spot]

But the precedent has been set. Just tell them you are too busy to attend.

It's called "doing a Poo"

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[chainarong]

Bail in Thailand seems to be handed out like rice vouchers, then again the dear leader has done extremely well since skipping out on bail , I wouldn't let them near my cat let alone out on bail, but then I am a fussy bugger.

[Tatsujin]

If some one can show what evidence was shown to the court, and the evidence was enough or not enough

Then it will become evident if this was a political decision

If some one can show the evidence was open and clear beyond doubt, then we know the court made a biased decision

until this time there are no facts to say the decision was, "not just" and was to the letter of the law

so opinions not count, please show proof

Jatuporn and others were put back in jail back in 2011 for breaking those same bail conditions and for doing exactly what they are doing now.

One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest.

Their appearances on stage and speeches on stage are more than enough to show they have broken this bail condition. Nothing more needed.

[Rich teacher]

But the precedent has been set. Just tell them you are too busy to attend.

It's called "doing a Poo"

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More like a leather belt

[WoopyDoo]

As the saying goes, "Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves."

They were given more than enough rope and they could have been hung many times over.

They are still free men, now with a firm message that what they are doing is more than acceptable.

It seems that there is no amount of rope that can hang these two until there is a power shift.

The Criminal court is a branch of the justice ministry and therefore in control of the government... It is not independent like the NACC and the constitutional court. Therefore it is subject to manipulation.

There have thus far issued arrest warrants against almost everyone who stepped on a PDRC stage for insurgency and sedition, and they also issued court orders to freeze many bank accounts all on the command of CAPO or the DSI... Yet what these two weeds have done is quite alright with the very same court???

Go figure.

[slapout]

These two do not need to be given ankle monitors to know where they are. They both are so full of themselves that they seem to feel almost indestructable, which in the final days will be their downfall.

Let the rats loose, there are more hungary cats out there and the holes for escape are rapidly being plugged, in Nuuttawut's case, his/family fingers in the ''rice bowl''

Jatuporn on the other hand, is seen by most, as a wannabe leader, but suited only for a perchance for talking for long peroids, saying absolutly nothing of value/intrest nor interlect. Every group needs someone for the public to despise, while the group go about their sacking of the strong box.

[renaissanc]

There are benefits to be had by leaving them free. For example, they will be making speeches soon to stir up people against the Courts. The Red Shirts will reject the decisions of the Courts, and they may do so violently. Then there will be evidence that their speeches resulted in violence, and then finally they can be arrested and thrown in jail, allbeit a 5-Star jail facility with internet, TV, food menus, sofas, etc. (No double standards for these people, of course.) I still find it hard to believe that they are still free after what happened in 2010.

[tezzainoz]

If some one can show what evidence was shown to the court, and the evidence was enough or not enough

Then it will become evident if this was a political decision

If some one can show the evidence was open and clear beyond doubt, then we know the court made a biased decision

until this time there are no facts to say the decision was, "not just" and was to the letter of the law

so opinions not count, please show proof

Jatuporn and others were put back in jail back in 2011 for breaking those same bail conditions and for doing exactly what they are doing now.

One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest.

Their appearances on stage and speeches on stage are more than enough to show they have broken this bail condition. Nothing more needed.

Hey I agree with you but,

What evidence do we know as fact was put before the courts as proof

The courts are saying there was none

[rickirs]

"One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest." This condition might have been relevant in 2010 but with Suthep's many, many, final victory marches to incite people to over throw the Government over the last five months, I hope that maybe the Court is allowing a little more leeway to this bail condition.

[GeorgeO]

"One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest." This condition might have been relevant in 2010 but with Suthep's many, many, final victory marches to incite people to over throw the Government over the last five months, I hope that maybe the Court is allowing a little more leeway to this bail condition.

Talk about going off at tangents...and BTW, off topic...!

What have Suthep's actions got to do with the decision to allow these guys to remain free, despite having clearly breached their bail conditions?

I very much doubt that the actions of Suthep entered into the thought process, although I'm pretty sure that the potential actions of certain others did....!!

[Scamper]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

[robblok]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

It will make it hard for them to say the courts are bias.

[Baerboxer]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

It will make it hard for them to say the courts are bias.

They are arrogant enough to say the Criminal Court is unbiased and fair but then say the Constitutional Court and NACC are biased and unfair in the same breath.

Shin justice and democracy at its best.

This is not a comment on the verdict of the courts - without seeing the evidence that would only be an opinion. The court saw and heard all the evidence and ruled accordingly to the law which must be respected. Hopefully, they will heed the courts advice too.

[bigbamboo]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

It will make it hard for them to say the courts are bias.

But they still will.

[SICHONSTEVE]

As the saying goes, "Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves."

And take a few of their friends along with them.

It also undermines the red's ability and justifications for claiming that the courts are biased against the reds!!

I notice that the reds haven't come on to congratulate the courts and say "fair play" to them!!!

Edited April 19, 2014 by SICHONSTEVE

[The Deerhunter]

"One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest." This condition might have been relevant in 2010 but with Suthep's many, many, final victory marches to incite people to over throw the Government over the last five months, I hope that maybe the Court is allowing a little more leeway to this bail condition.

Talk about going off at tangents...and BTW, off topic...!

What have Suthep's actions got to do with the decision to allow these guys to remain free, despite having clearly breached their bail conditions?

I very much doubt that the actions of Suthep entered into the thought process, although I'm pretty sure that the potential actions of certain others did....!!

You mean you never read the "Red Troll Rule number 1"????? Here it is.

Red Troll Rule Book

Rule number 1. If anyone says anything against any of "our" people, find any diversionary factlet available to you to show that someone on the other side (Preferably Suthep) may have done something similar, or possibly be appropriately connected ; even if it's years ago.

Rule number 2. Change the subject by saying something off topic (preferably involving Suthep, even if it is years old) to try and drag the PDRC posters off topic.

Rule number 3a. Use the word "Coup" or phrase "Coup mongers" wherever possible.

Rule number 3b. Constantly refer to past TRT/PTP electoral victories and use the word "Democracy" wherever possible to attempt to claim ownership of the word for PTP. Do not concern youself that many (most??) of our supporters do not undersand the word. They are not your target audience.

Rule number 4. (recently ammended) Do not refer to the size and success of our PTP rallies any more, until further notice.

Edited April 19, 2014 by The Deerhunter

[The Deerhunter]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

The difference in the courts is that the masters of the Criminal court are NOT also the masters of the Constitutional Court. Hereby hangeth the subtle difference.

[The Deerhunter]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

It will make it hard for them to say the courts are bias.

They are arrogant enough to say the Criminal Court is unbiased and fair but then say the Constitutional Court and NACC are biased and unfair in the same breath.

Shin justice and democracy at its best.

This is not a comment on the verdict of the courts - without seeing the evidence that would only be an opinion. The court saw and heard all the evidence and ruled accordingly to the law which must be respected. Hopefully, they will heed the courts advice too.

Or, Hopefully NOT. Then, charges of contempt of court can be added.

[kimamey]

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

It will make it hard for them to say the courts are bias.

Not really. It was AussieinThailand I believe that said on a previous occasion like this that they are just doing it to look as if they aren't biased before their next decision which will be biased. Or words to that effect.

[Mr Yim]

What a surprise our yellow buddies say the decision was down to intimidation. Yet when a decision is in favour of the anti-government protestors it is based on a fair judicial system.

[Robby nz]

"One bail condition was that they must not do anything in any way to incite unrest." This condition might have been relevant in 2010 but with Suthep's many, many, final victory marches to incite people to over throw the Government over the last five months, I hope that maybe the Court is allowing a little more leeway to this bail condition.

Talk about going off at tangents...and BTW, off topic...!

What have Suthep's actions got to do with the decision to allow these guys to remain free, despite having clearly breached their bail conditions?

I very much doubt that the actions of Suthep entered into the thought process, although I'm pretty sure that the potential actions of certain others did....!!

You mean you never read the "Red Troll Rule number 1"????? Here it is.

Red Troll Rule Book

Rule number 1. If anyone says anything against any of "our" people, find any diversionary factlet available to you to show that someone on the other side (Preferably Suthep) may have done something similar, or possibly be appropriately connected ; even if it's years ago.

Rule number 2. Change the subject by saying something off topic (preferably involving Suthep, even if it is years old) to try and drag the PDRC posters off topic.

Rule number 3a. Use the word "Coup" or phrase "Coup mongers" wherever possible.

Rule number 3b. Constantly refer to past TRT/PTP electoral victories and use the word "Democracy" wherever possible to attempt to claim ownership of the word for PTP. Do not concern youself that many (most??) of our supporters do not undersand the word. They are not your target audience.

Rule number 4. (recently ammended) Do not refer to the size and success of our PTP rallies any more, until further notice.

You can add to that :

If none of the above apply make up an out and out lie.

See post #28

[tomhell]

Who are the members of the Constitutional Court? Do you think they have some masters in the background. Really like to understand!

Thanks

Tom

A surprising ruling - but is to be respected, nonetheless. It is hoped that both Jatuporn and Nuttwaut will tread very carefully, particularly in how they react to the ruling of the Constitutional Court. It will be interesting, therefore, to see if they afford the same respect to the Constitutional Court after their ruling that they likely had for this ruling by the Criminal Court.

The difference in the courts is that the masters of the Criminal court are NOT also the masters of the Constitutional Court. Hereby hangeth the subtle difference.