Why Thai Workmen don't Keep Time?

[Mr Worldwide]

It's because it's Thailand. Probably too drunk or too much yabaa. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't rely on anything in Thailand but there again it's because it's Thailand. From the first bargirl you ever talked to or the first street som tam you ever had made for you, would you rely on anything they said? There you go.

[thaibeachlovers]

Don't get me started on Thai 'tradesman'.

Stay well clear of village guys that tell you they can do the work. They are useless and then some how it's your fault.

Come on, they are specialists for just about everything

They specialise in making my blood boil that is it.

Not only yours I think most of us would gladly pay more for good quality.. its just hard to find.

I gave up trying to get good tradesmen in LOS. Now I just do everything myself.

[joshstiles]

build it yourself or hire a qualified foreign contractor like myself....your call....you'll pay more for a foreign contractor as well, but you get what you pay for.

[lanng khao]

build it yourself or hire a qualified foreign contractor like myself....your call....you'll pay more for a foreign contractor as well, but you get what you pay for.

thought you cud not get on the tools yourself here, it's still Thais that do the construction with just a farang overseeing the job.

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[louse1953]

Exactly right.

You only get what you pay for and for those who hire some local wallers so as to get the job done on the cheap, than what do you expect?....

For those who expect high standards of workmanship and work schedules to be completed on time, then hire a proper well established company to do the job and also be prepared to pay a lot more for a superior service. Although there are never any guarantees about the end result, the odds are much better if willing to pay more and hire professionals. And this pertains anywhere worldwide, not only in Thailand.

Yes but HOW to hire a proper well established company if you don't live in a major city? I'm 2 hours outside Bangkok and have never been able to find a single one willing to travbel out here even with the offer of paying for the extra time and travel.

We aren't all making due with local workers because we want it done on the cheap. Some of us can't find anything else ....

If anyone out there knows of a company (general construction, plumbing, electric, you name it) that would be willing to work a few hours out of town please advise.

Yes, I agree. Many companies would not be willing to send out staff miles away each day, especially if it`s going to be a long term job such as house building, unless willing to pay professional contractors to come over, set up camp on the site while the work is in progress and pay a fortune for it. So going back to my previous post, anything is possible in Thailand for a price.

Some years ago my wife and I were in a similar situation when we decided to have extensions and a new roof built on the house that resulted in having to hire local builders. They would take days off for certain public holidays, lum yai picking, to go and do jobs elsewhere, a funeral, would turn up and leave at any time of day and so on. But we had to go along with it because there were no other choices. The end result was a so, so job and I ended up doing many corrections to the work myself afterwards, plus I discovered later that I had paid well over the local going rates for the work as a naive farang at the time.

We accepted that nothing was going to be up to our expectations and it was all a hope for the best. Unfortunately here in Thailand this is the way it is.

All you have to do is your job.Do your reasearch,check previous work,ask around.Your main responcibility is to be on the job every day,you soon work out who to keep an eye on.Speak up every time its not up to standard and put on a bbq and a few beers every Saturday.When the workers become your friends then the job becomes a lot easier.Then use the same guys for future small jobs,they will be happy to work for you.

[louse1953]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

All your substandard work is YOUR fault,because either you were not there supervising or you saw the shoddy work and was to scared to say anything.

[peterquixote]

very sad, long klong, OP, this problem is world wide my friend.

One of the reasons I absolutely refuse to buy a home in Thailand .. well you have said it all.

Thailand loses massive currency from thousands of Farang because ...what you said

My dear Isaan Wife, here in New Zealand she said " why trade man come too quickly and do such good job "

I said this is New Zealand sweetheart not Australia, or Thailand hahah.

[dighambara]

Agrarian society = up at dawn, eat when hungry, to bed when dark, no clocks in the village - rely on Temple gong.

Europe invested in village clocks and for centuries alerted everyone to the concept of time - Thailand has yet to embrace the concepts of a controlled life or of 'word is bond'...

The past is gone, the future is not yet here, only the present is important - thus planning or seeing the future is impossible.

Most Thai drivers cannot see 5 seconds into the future and the obvious crash that will occur if they drive on.

[JO1973]

My girlfriend's sister was hiring someone -- said he could do it "really cheap". It's been a year on and tiles are falling off the walls. I told her "you get what you pay for", she said she never heard that saying before.

I think anywhere you go if you hire guys that aren't licensed, trained, or have some sort of identifying marks of 'professional' you are asking for trouble. Are there any Western builders in Thailand or Western run companies?

[long klong]

vow! The recent posts have suddenly turned to my real question - keeping time and not quality of work!

Some of these are great: "Don't know what day it is, never mind the time!" (pigeonjake); "Poongnee does not mean tomorrow, it means not today (sfokevin); reason for being late - "I went to sleep" (maybefitz) "village clock" (dighambara). The reply from Peter Quixote in New Zealand is most kind.

Another reply seems to suggest that not keeping time is part of general unreliability ( a cultural trait?) I don't know how many people will agree with that?

[Adeeos]

I'm a former journeyman sheet metal worker/metal fabricator/welder,, I see shoddy,, downright TERRIBLE construction practices ALL the time here,, ALL the time,, form up, pour concrete steps,, come back in AFTER,, cut out sections,, "mud in" lighting housings,, "repair",,, etc, etc, etc,,,, An Aussie friend is building a home in Hua Hin,,, It's TERRIBLY behind schedule,,, BRAND NEW roof,, leaked from day ONE,, GUESS who's pocket paid for an ADDITIONAL roof put OVER, ON TOP off the 1st???? as WELL as NUMEROUS additonal problems,,,, I'm SURE,, there ARE reputable companys/tradesmen,,, WHY someone with the correct building knowledge, doesn't find these people,, cull them together,, use only them?,,, THAT person/contractor,, could make a killing,,, I've used a guy to service my AC,,, clean/re-charge,, several times, always called down to the jurasic office,, they've sent someone,, last time, my girl grabbed a biz card on display downstairs,, guy did the work,, did something incorrect to cause the vanes on the interior unit to not operate correctly,, called,, called, called, called,, promises, promise, promises,,, then realized her #,, wouldn't answer anymore,, contacted the building office,, THEY called, called,, MORE promises, promises,,, I made it clear to the office,, that by them, allowing him to display his cards,, were in effect, reccomending them,,, They shouldn't be doing that for shitty workers,, They agreed,, Office eventually sent another company, while they were already in my building,, to correct the problem,,, I was out another $400baht,,, no big deal I know,, it's the POINT of it though,,, was downstairs office yesterday,,, GUESS who's biz cards are STILL on display in the office?????,,,

Edited April 26, 2014 by Adeeos

[long klong]

I am still looking for (and would appreciate) some comments on the last part of my question : will you still engage a workman if he arrives late for his first appointment even if you otherwise feel that he can do a reasonably good job judging by his understanding of your needs.

From responses so far, it seems to me that one should just accept tardiness about time as a general norm and not give it too much weightage in making a decision about a workman.

Maybe it's about time to become more flexible!

[robblok]

I am still looking for (and would appreciate) some comments on the last part of my question : will you still engage a workman if he arrives late for his first appointment even if you otherwise feel that he can do a reasonably good job judging by his understanding of your needs.

From responses so far, it seems to me that one should just accept tardiness about time as a general norm and not give it too much weightage in making a decision about a workman.

Maybe it's about time to become more flexible!

If i know he could do the job good.. sure then i accept him being late as it is hard enough to find anyone doing a good job.

[kannot]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

hey builder mand,

YOU NEVER HAVE PATHS TIED INTO THE HOUSE

for the reason that if it did fall away it would take your house with it,

better to loose the path!!!!

jake

Nope Jake you tie them in BUT compact the fill around the house first, Thais rarely compact anything.

Rebar drilled into wall the glued in with epoxy resin subbase compacted stone of various grades = path and house go nowhere..............or the Thai way , path drops 2-3 inches and breaks up due to no compaction.

Edited April 26, 2014 by kannot

[lucjoker]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

All your substandard work is YOUR fault,because either you were not there supervising or you saw the shoddy work and was to scared to say anything.

Yes,well said ,you build with there hands,show them how you like the jobs to be done , kick down a 30 cm wall if it is not in place !

Learn them how to adjust the welding machine and show them how it is done .

Or were you expecting to pay 300 bht /day for an expert welder ?

There are (almost) no expert builders in thailand and surely not for 500 bht /day.

You get what you pay for ,so if you want better quality : buy the tools and all the rest yourself ,yes you will have to sweat a little ,

but this is the only option .Or buy a crappy finished house from a real estate comp. for triple money or do it yourself .The choise is yours.

[lucjoker]

I am still looking for (and would appreciate) some comments on the last part of my question : will you still engage a workman if he arrives late for his first appointment even if you otherwise feel that he can do a reasonably good job judging by his understanding of your needs.

From responses so far, it seems to me that one should just accept tardiness about time as a general norm and not give it too much weightage in making a decision about a workman.

Maybe it's about time to become more flexible!

Maby you should read the answers given ?

Your Q was answered almost immediately ,but i will repeat it :

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

[kannot]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

All your substandard work is YOUR fault,because either you were not there supervising or you saw the shoddy work and was to scared to say anything.

I dont have ANY substandard work, even major suppliers like CPAC cannot mix concrete correctly, go ahead call them and show me the slump test result, it will be a bucket of p*ss on the floor.

[lucjoker]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

So if i send pictures you would believe me ?

That is again a big mistake .You better come have a look yourself and see with your own eyes what is what.

Contact me and come have a look.

.were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? Yes , i even slept there .

Posting pics is difficult ,you have to make URL for each pictures and i dont waste my time on this.Mail me and i will send pictures.

[lucjoker]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

All your substandard work is YOUR fault,because either you were not there supervising or you saw the shoddy work and was to scared to say anything.

I dont have ANY substandard work, even major suppliers like CPAC cannot mix concrete correctly, go ahead call them and show me the slump test result, it will be a bucket of p*ss on the floor.

What about a wooden house ? No concrete ,no cracks in the walls .......?

[lanng khao]

It is your mistake if the workers come not on time !

I tell you why:

do you understand : saam mong tsjauw? or Tjet mong tjsauw? or Ha mong yien ?

This is how thai people refer to the time (9am or 7 am or 5 pm)

If you dont understand the thai clock ,why do you expect thai workers to understand the western clock ?

Also dont point to your watch ,they never saw one so close by ! (and surely not a digital clock)

If they do the work wrong ,it is simply because they did not understand your directions.

If a thai gives you directions in thai ,you would stop listening after 3 seconds.....so do they !

In the end dont tell around how dumb they are ,if you dont speak thai.

Remember every house you see is builded by thai workers ,whitout understanding english instructions!

Come look at my house ,and try to find 1 mistake ,but my workers knew exactly what and how to do .

Proof that Thai people are not dumb ?

Well look at all those smart farangs who lost their house and last penny to a 20 y old thai lady .

The 20 y old was way smarter the hi-so farang ,"isn't it "? "indeed,sir "

You mean with concrete like P*ss, with stairs all the wrong heights, without steel where there should be, with tiles cut with an angle grinder, with leaking water pipes as they dont clean them first, with bird sh*t welding, with paths not tied into the house so they break away as the non compacted ground they put them on shifts, with taps that revolve around the sinks, with smelly waste pipes as they dont use p traps, paint so watered down water would be thicker...............I could go on

I bet I could pick your house to pieces.............were you on site every day I mean all day not popping in once for 30 minutes? hand mix concrete or factory mix? what steel grades did you use? because if you werent there every second of the job it will be bodged somewhere.

Just because its still "up" doesnt make it good or well done .

Why not post us some CLOSE up pics of the stunning work?

All your substandard work is YOUR fault,because either you were not there supervising or you saw the shoddy work and was to scared to say anything.

I dont have ANY substandard work, even major suppliers like CPAC cannot mix concrete correctly, go ahead call them and show me the slump test result, it will be a bucket of p*ss on the floor.

What about a wooden house ? No concrete ,no cracks in the walls .......?

=termite frenzy.

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[KonaRain]

our govt. architect friend had a good crew near C.Mai..they were on the job every morning.. but they did take a siesta from 1 till 2, on concrete or tables..worked like dogs in the moderate heat..women too..!!

[KonaRain]

our govt. architect friend had a good crew near C.Mai..they were on the job every morning.. but they did take a siesta from 1 till 2, on concrete or tables..worked like dogs in the moderate heat..women too..!! alohz

[dennisrobertpell]

Have you ever tried to get a workman to turn up on date and time agreed in the UK? Same Same..

[marko kok prong]

We used to use my wifes cousin,his work was good,but then he would dissapear for days,i thought that he must have had other jobs he was doing as is common with many builders in Australia,when i told my wife this she told me no he has gone fishing!

[Tmymaimee]

Not sure why some people have these problems. I have checked everything at my house here and its 100% straight. No watered down paint, all wires run in plastic conduit, in fact its the same standard I've seen in normal countries.

I have a building manager and he has built 40 of these homes. I checked the older ones and no cracks, no settlement. Welding is clean. Drywall is perfect, no cracks, bowing, nothing. I'm not on site everyday. I trust these workers. And no, they are not farmers. Far from it. And they don't come cheap.

When you build a vaulted, cathedral ceiling, its a true test of a worker, 4 sloped sides, all with equal angles. It took the building manager 3 workers and wasted 140,000 baht in materials before it was done right.

You can buy the same home for 10 million cheaper down the road. Many people do. It only looks like the same home. Light gauge, i beam instead of rectangular steel for trusses. Lightweight tiles and so on. Same house appearance wise and so many buyers choose the cheap option. Will see how they feel in 10 years.

[rgs2001uk]

Exactly right.

You only get what you pay for and for those who hire some local wallers so as to get the job done on the cheap, than what do you expect?....

For those who expect high standards of workmanship and work schedules to be completed on time, then hire a proper well established company to do the job and also be prepared to pay a lot more for a superior service. Although there are never any guarantees about the end result, the odds are much better if willing to pay more and hire professionals. And this pertains anywhere worldwide, not only in Thailand.

Yes but HOW to hire a proper well established company if you don't live in a major city? I'm 2 hours outside Bangkok and have never been able to find a single one willing to travbel out here even with the offer of paying for the extra time and travel.

We aren't all making due with local workers because we want it done on the cheap. Some of us can't find anything else ....

If anyone out there knows of a company (general construction, plumbing, electric, you name it) that would be willing to work a few hours out of town please advise.

You dont mention what sort of work you want doing, a picture paints a thousand words.

If I were you I would head to my local Or Bor Tor office, the locals are employed there already and would welcome the overtime, probably only avaiable on Sat and Sunday.