British Citizen Dies. New Wife and Pension Question

[Robroona]

Friend of mine died in UK recently. He was in a Thailand for a few years. No will in Thailand or UK. He recently married a Thai lady, about 6 months ago. Is she entitled to any pension from the U K government? If this is in the wrong forum, I apologise and would mods change it to the correct one?

[evadgib]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

[Jip99]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

[transam]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

2000 quid if under 45, different if over.

[Jip99]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

2000 quid if under 45, different if over.

The Bereavement Payment is GBP 2,000 irrespective of age (normally up to 65).

[transam]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

2000 quid if under 45, different if over.

The Bereavement Payment is GBP 2,000 irrespective of age (normally up to 65).

I acted for a Thai lady a couple of years back and that was what I was told, 45 year.

[arthurwait]

Sigh. No wonder Britain is broke.

[Jip99]

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

2000 quid if under 45, different if over.

The Bereavement Payment is GBP 2,000 irrespective of age (normally up to 65).

I acted for a Thai lady a couple of years back and that was what I was told, 45 year.

No offence Transam but DWP are not renowned for giving accurate information - especially where Thais are concerned.

Its all here:-

https://www.gov.uk/bereavement-payment/eligibility

[Jip99]

Sigh. No wonder Britain is broke.

Why is that Arthur ?

The deceased has paid for this entitlent and it can only go to a wife - white/black, in UK/Thailand does not matter.

[Jip99]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow. **

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

** Sorry, assuming she is not 65 (I am fairly certain of that).

[arthurwait]

Sigh. No wonder Britain is broke.

Why is that Arthur ?

The deceased has paid for this entitlent and it can only go to a wife - white/black, in UK/Thailand does not matter.

He's dead , she hasn't paid anything into the country.

Only been married 6 months, wouldn't be entitled to anything in a divorce.

Nothing to do with white or black.

[Jip99]

Sigh. No wonder Britain is broke.

Why is that Arthur ?

The deceased has paid for this entitlent and it can only go to a wife - white/black, in UK/Thailand does not matter.

He's dead , she hasn't paid anything into the country.

Only been married 6 months, wouldn't be entitled to anything in a divorce.

Nothing to do with white or black.

I think she would have an entitlement on divorce - but that is irrelevant, this is about berevement entitlements.

The same GBP 2,000 gets paid out on the strength of the husband having made NIC payments (one actually) - nothing to with the wife. Why are you discriminating against her because she hasn't lived in the UK. She doesn't make the rules, the UK government does.

You may be even more horrified to learn that if she has any kids (don't have to be the husbands) she could be entitled to receive a Widowed Parents Allowance of up to GBP 111.20 p.w. Now, let's just hypothesise that the OP's friend met a pretty young thing with a 3 year son cared for back home by Ma and Pa. The father is the errant ex-Thai husband. The boy stays in full time education until 18, - bingo! - she pockets WPA of GBP 86,736 courtesy of the UK government.

BUT - don't have nightmares Arthur it is likely to change soon, when current proposals become law, and all the bereavement benefits wrapped into a single payment. The wife will receive GBP 5,000 if no kids and GBP 10,000 if she has kids.

As the OP's friend died intestate, the widow is entitled to ALL assets - in the UK and Thailand.

[arthurwait]

Noting to do with her not having lived in the UK, it's to do with her not paying anything into the UK but expecting money out.

[Jip99]

Noting to do with her not having lived in the UK, it's to do with her not paying anything into the UK but expecting money out.

You really are being a bit racist (or maybe sexist) - this is nothing to do with HER. It is all about her husbands NIC payments.

She is not expecting money out. The UK government, under their laws, are obliged to pay out to a widow - irrespective of whether she lives in Thailand, Timbuktu or the Shetlands and irrespective of whether she has ever (or ever will) set foot into the UK.

[arthurwait]

Noting to do with her not having lived in the UK, it's to do with her not paying anything into the UK but expecting money out.

You really are being a bit racist (or maybe sexist) - this is nothing to do with HER. It is all about her husbands NIC payments.

She is not expecting money out. The UK government, under their laws, are obliged to pay out to a widow - irrespective of whether she lives in Thailand, Timbuktu or the Shetlands and irrespective of whether she has ever (or ever will) set foot into the UK.

Make your mind up about what you are accusing me of.

Sigh.

[Jip99]

Noting to do with her not having lived in the UK, it's to do with her not paying anything into the UK but expecting money out.

You really are being a bit racist (or maybe sexist) - this is nothing to do with HER. It is all about her husbands NIC payments.

She is not expecting money out. The UK government, under their laws, are obliged to pay out to a widow - irrespective of whether she lives in Thailand, Timbuktu or the Shetlands and irrespective of whether she has ever (or ever will) set foot into the UK.

Make your mind up about what you are accusing me of.

Sigh.

That is twice you have sighed on this thread........

[evadgib]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

[Neeranam]

No wonder Thai women are targeting old British guys on these love sites.

[KittenKong]

The deceased has paid for this entitlent and it can only go to a wife - white/black, in UK/Thailand does not matter.

Skin colour certainly irrelevant but location is an entirely different matter.

GBP2000 paid to a UK resident has no net effect on the size of the UK economy, and in fact serves to generate extra tax as it is spent and circulates around.

GBP2000 paid to anyone outside the UK is a net and permanent loss to the UK economy that eventually (if repeated often enough, and if not counter-balanced by other factors) would destroy it utterly.

Britain's main economic problem is that every single month of every single year there is a net outflow of money from Britain to other countries, and this has been going on for decades. Sort that imbalance out and you are well on the way to sorting the entire economy out.

Want an example? Look at Thailand.

[Jip99]

The deceased has paid for this entitlent and it can only go to a wife - white/black, in UK/Thailand does not matter.

Skin colour certainly irrelevant but location is an entirely different matter.

GBP2000 paid to a UK resident has no net effect on the size of the UK economy, and in fact serves to generate extra tax as it is spent and circulates around.

GBP2000 paid to anyone outside the UK is a net and permanent loss to the UK economy that eventually (if repeated often enough, and if not counter-balanced by other factors) would destroy it utterly.

Britain's main economic problem is that every single month of every single year there is a net outflow of money from Britain to other countries, and this has been going on for decades. Sort that imbalance out and you are well on the way to sorting the entire economy out.

Want an example? Look at Thailand.

So what if that UK based widow spends the GBP2,000 on a foreign holiday - or imported goods.

Do you really want to build a wall (economic or otherwise).

What I rather liked as a British citizen was the right to spend my salary/capital/pension/benefits just where I wanted to spend them. Are you saying you want to deny me, and many others, such rights.

Let's not make a drama out of a crisis - a few GBP2,000 Bereavement Payments + WPA and BA are not going to sink the British economy. There are many other targets for you to fire your arrows at before you get to widows in Thailand.

[arthurwait]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

Ahhh you mean the old guys that the girls target picked up in Pattaya.

[arthurwait]

Let's not make a drama out of a crisis - a few GBP2,000 Bereavement Payments + WPA and BA are not going to sink the British economy. There are many other targets for you to fire your arrows at before you get to widows in Thailand.

Have you been to Pattaya ?

[Jip99]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

Ahhh you mean the old guys that the girls target picked up in Pattaya.

Even you might be in with a shout Arthur

I doubt the girls have latched onto that one yet - most haven't got a clue of whatthey might be entitled to.

... and, of couse, they would have to seek out the tourists wearing Union Jack shorts as this is a British thing.

[arthurwait]

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

Ahhh you mean the old guys that the girls target picked up in Pattaya.

Even you might be in with a shout Arthur

I doubt the girls have latched onto that one yet - most haven't got a clue of whatthey might be entitled to.

... and, of couse, they would have to seek out the tourists wearing Union Jack shorts as this is a British thing.

Doubt I'll ever see a British state pension another 35 years if there's any left.

Only the plebs wear union jack shorts.

Other things are much cooler.

[prakhonchai nick]

Even you might be in with a shout Arthur

I doubt the girls have latched onto that one yet - most haven't got a clue of whatthey might be entitled to.

... and, of couse, they would have to seek out the tourists wearing Union Jack shorts as this is a British thing.

Absolutely correct Jip 99

The girls latch on to the farangs for money today. They haven't a clue as to what they might be entitled to if they marry and subsequently become widows.

Paying out benefits to overseas foreign widows,and their children (often fathered by men other than their British husbands) for years on end, goes against the grain for me. However, it is British government policy, just as paying out billions in benefits to immigrants and their families is -so don't blame the beneficiary, but tackle the government instead. If a benefit is available -go for it. It is an entitlement. I have obtained benefits for more than a dozen widows over the past 3 years, and my wife certainly will claim when I depart! I have filled out the forms for her already,

[Jip99]

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

Ahhh you mean the old guys that the girls target picked up in Pattaya.

Even you might be in with a shout Arthur

I doubt the girls have latched onto that one yet - most haven't got a clue of whatthey might be entitled to.

... and, of couse, they would have to seek out the tourists wearing Union Jack shorts as this is a British thing.

Doubt I'll ever see a British state pension another 35 years if there's any left.

Only the plebs wear union jack shorts.

Other things are much cooler.

If you think the Gallaghers are cool you don't deserve a pension !Nice looking guitar though.

[Robroona]

Thanks for the replies. I'll let her know

[arthurwait]

Even you might be in with a shout Arthur

I doubt the girls have latched onto that one yet - most haven't got a clue of whatthey might be entitled to.

... and, of couse, they would have to seek out the tourists wearing Union Jack shorts as this is a British thing.

Absolutely correct Jip 99

The girls latch on to the farangs for money today. They haven't a clue as to what they might be entitled to if they marry and subsequently become widows.

Paying out benefits to overseas foreign widows,and their children (often fathered by men other than their British husbands) for years on end, goes against the grain for me. However, it is British government policy, just as paying out billions in benefits to immigrants and their families is -so don't blame the beneficiary, but tackle the government instead. If a benefit is available -go for it. It is an entitlement. I have obtained benefits for more than a dozen widows over the past 3 years, and my wife certainly will claim when I depart! I have filled out the forms for her already,

The news is better spread round Pattaya and Esarn than the clap.

[thaibeachlovers]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

2000 quid if under 45, different if over.

The Bereavement Payment is GBP 2,000 irrespective of age (normally up to 65).

Sorry to hijack, but I have a question relating to that bereavement payment.

I have dual passport, and worked 10 years in the UK. Would my wife be entitled to the bereavement payment? I am receiving a pension from the UK.

[evadgib]

The short answer is YES (due to change in 2016 but from what I understand the woman to whom you refer qualifies as of right) but you should have this moved to the pensions page (pinned topic).

HTH

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/540525-uk-pensions/page-58

Actually, no she doesn't.

There is no government pension rights for a widow.

She is likely to be entitled to a Bereavement Payment of GBP 2,000 if they were legally married and he paid NICs.

Her age and family situation (plus the amount of his NIC payments) will determine whether she is entitled to a Bereavement Alllowance or a Widowed Parents Allowance.

With no Will she is also entitled to any assets in the UK.

If your friend had an occupational pension she may be entitled to a percentage of that.

Who paid the funeral costs, what is left over ?

I forgot to mention the rules re age but I see everyone got my drift, along with (Ar) the odd SUN reader

Ahhh you mean the old guys that the girls target picked up in Pattaya.

Actually I was referring to the age of widows qualifying for their late husbands pension based on his NI cont when they achieve pensionable age but it is being phased out as regulars to the "Pensions" are already aware........, presumably due to the age gap you have highlighted:)