NACC complains about intimidation by PM's lawyer

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POLITICS
NACC complains about intimidation by PM's lawyer
Anuphan Chantana
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Anti-Corruption Com-mission (NACC) has submitted a petition to the Law Society accusing lawyers for PM Yingluck Shinawatra of violating professional ethics by threatening its officials.

It follows a statement by one of Yingluck's lawyers that the embattled PM's legal team was collecting evidence against the NACC after the commission refused to accept more evidence and examine stock in the rice-pledging scheme.

The anti-graft body, which is investigating Yingluck over her alleged negligence in relation to the scheme and for allegedly allowing corruption to occur, has the authority to call any witnesses and introduce any evidence into the case, NACC secretary Sansern Poljiak said.

NACC commissioner Vicha Mahakun said the petition to the Law Society, an umbrella association of Thai lawyers, was a preventive measure to control the behaviour of lawyers in the case. "As we've already lodged the petition, it is the duty of the Law Society from now on, not the NACC, to take care of the ethics issue of the lawyers," he said.

Bancha Porameesanaporn, one of Yingluck's lawyers, said the legal team did not threaten the NACC but made a complaint over the agency's conduct in accordance with legal procedures. "We did not violate any ethics but we did our job to protect the interests of PM Yingluck, who is our client," he said. "As the NACC rejected many witnesses and evidence, I think it is our right to make a complaint over such actions."

The legal team would continue collecting evidence to prove the anti-graft body abused its power and was guilty of misconduct, he said, adding that the team would file a lawsuit against the NACC in accordance with article 157 of the Penal Code.

"We are exercising our rights," he said.

Bancha said if the NACC lodged a petition with the Law Society, he would ask the society's ethics panel to summon NACC chief Panthep Klanarongran and Wicha to testify.

-- The Nation 2014-05-03

[issanaus]

Very appropriate action by the NACC who are dong there work under so much pressure.

[saltandpepper]

Intimidation again......No more legal ammo, so let's intimidate.....

[Thait Spot]

Intimidation is a very strange way to uncook a goose

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[chotthee]

Paid thugs of Thaksin at work again.

[Dr Bruce]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

[timewilltell]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

You say they are not fair and are biased because they have refused to allow certain evidence and witnesses. You do not know what evidence has been refused nor its relevancy to the case nor do you know whether the additional witnesses would bring any new evidence to the table.

I don't know either but I think it pretty likely the evidence and witnesses would have nothing new to add to determining the case and that the Defence sought their introduction merely to play for time which is exactly what Yingluck's team is trying to buy. My money is on the NACC being correct in refusing the introduction of that evidence and those witnesses.

It is a shame journalists are so shackled here for I am sure they could run many stories exposing all this crap which is precisely why there are laws preventing them doing so - laws to protect those in the wrong

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[petedk]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

Yingluck had plenty of time to prepare all the evidence she needed.

Time and time again she used delay tactics and this is just another example of them.

[saltandpepper]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

aren't you bored to post the same bullsh*t again and again?

[AleG]

Intimidation again......No more legal ammo, so let's intimidate.....

Well, they could still try the trick of passing by the NACC and leaving a box of pastries stuffed with cash to see if the people there have a change of heart.

[Tatsujin]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

[issanaus]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

You say they are not fair and are biased because they have refused to allow certain evidence and witnesses. You do not know what evidence has been refused nor its relevancy to the case nor do you know whether the additional witnesses would bring any new evidence to the table.

I don't know either but I think it pretty likely the evidence and witnesses would have nothing new to add to determining the case and that the Defence sought their introduction merely to play for time which is exactly what Yingluck's team is trying to buy. My money is on the NACC being correct in refusing the introduction of that evidence and those witnesses.

It is a shame journalists are so shackled here for I am sure they could run many stories exposing all this crap which is precisely why there are laws preventing them doing so - laws to protect those in the wrong

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I was under the impression that it was Ms Yingluck who was facing charges not the government but I do accept Dr Bruce's realisation that the whole government should face charges - give it time.

Furthermore I understood at this time it is Ms Yinglucks lawyers are the ones threating to bring charges - but I do accept Dr Bruce's assertion that charges are often brought by the government to support its members and supports and to stifle opposition.

NACC and such bodies provide an avenue for people to address their concerns and have them investigated with less chance of victimisation than public disclosure. It also provides the opportunity for some of these claims to be discarded before people are unfairly tarnished in the public eye.

While there is a general consensus amongst TVF members to allow the enhancement of free speech in Thailand much of what you write provides the counter argument. In view of that NACC may provide the balance until people accept that rights of free speech come with responsibilities.

[Thait Spot]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

If I were in Yingluck's shoes I would have attended all the hearings in person instead of hiding in CM and sending thugs to the offices.

Is the NACC obliged to see any witnesses? No. Just to have enough of a case to move forwards or to drop it.

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[Thait Spot]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC has already been far too lenient with her by bending its own rules to assist her.

I don't see too many of the 60 odd million people in this country who have followed the stories of the rice scheme and witnessed the massive losses believing anything other than guilt.

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[moonao]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

[aussieinthailand]

Wait a sec,,, The anti-graft has the authority to call any witnesses and introduce any evidence into the case say's the NACC,

BUT when the defendant wants to call witnesses or introduce evidence into the case, the NACC say's NO!!!

And now the has been a compliant about the unfairness of the NACC, they are crying the PM's lawers are intimidating them.

I see no intimidation, only lawers manovering inside the law as lawrs do, isn't that what you pay them for?...

[Thaddeus]

Old Billy was right.

[ginjag]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

Hey Cadbury's, the government took itself down, they destroyed themselves, through utter greed and selfishness, no one else was involved in this -they had their chance to govern cleanly but through it out the window.

3 years to run a kingdom and failed.

You still along with your sympathizers never answered my question---give me a list of achievements that the government have been proud of over the 3 years. PLEASE.

[Dr Bruce]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC have decided that they have enough evidence to indict Yinluck and have decided that the defense witnesses have nothing new to add without even hearing them speak.

[BlueNoseCodger]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

Yingluck had plenty of time to prepare all the evidence she needed.

Time and time again she used delay tactics and this is just another example of them.

They began proceedings against her 16th January 2014. At one point they gave her 233 pages of claims and 3 days to respond.

They claim 2 million tonnes of rice missing, based on a partial stock take. Government has presented evidence that they are wrong and there is no rice missing, NACC refuses to hear that evidence or redo their stock take.

Without first proving their missing rice claim, and without first proving missing rice is the result of corruption, without even presenting evidence of corruption, they then began a 'negligence' claim against Yingluk, which has an inbuilt assumption that they've proven their case, i.e. that the rice really is missing and that it is missing as the result of corruption. So even without first proving their case in court, even without showing evidence that this false claim of missing rice was the result of corruption, they've declared their own verdict.

So your claim is disingenuous.

Their case amounts to,

"we can't prove there isn't corruption, hence there is corruption",

"we charge Yingluk with negligence in failing to stop this corruption we just claimed in our specious reasoning",

"Yingluk: prove there isn't corruption",

"la la la la we're not listening".

It's partisan politics and NACC is well outside the bounds here.

[Thaddeus]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

Hey Cadbury's, the government took itself down, they destroyed themselves, through utter greed and selfishness, no one else was involved in this -they had their chance to govern cleanly but through it out the window.

3 years to run a kingdom and failed.

You still along with your sympathizers never answered my question---give me a list of achievements that the government have been proud of over the 3 years. PLEASE.

1. Got a chunk of Big Bro's money back.

2. Got their own pockets filled.

3. Hmmmmm.

That's about it really.

[Thaddeus]

The NACC have denied the government the chance to mount an effective defense, The government has stated that if they are not treated fairly then they will bring charges.

The NACC are not above the law they should be fair and un-biased but they are not.

Yingluck had plenty of time to prepare all the evidence she needed.

Time and time again she used delay tactics and this is just another example of them.

They began proceedings against her 16th January 2014. At one point they gave her 233 pages of claims and 3 days to respond.

They claim 2 million tonnes of rice missing, based on a partial stock take. Government has presented evidence that they are wrong and there is no rice missing, NACC refuses to hear that evidence or redo their stock take.

Without first proving their missing rice claim, and without first proving missing rice is the result of corruption, without even presenting evidence of corruption, they then began a 'negligence' claim against Yingluk, which has an inbuilt assumption that they've proven their case, i.e. that the rice really is missing and that it is missing as the result of corruption. So even without first proving their case in court, even without showing evidence that this false claim of missing rice was the result of corruption, they've declared their own verdict.

So your claim is disingenuous.

Their case amounts to,

"we can't prove there isn't corruption, hence there is corruption",

"we charge Yingluk with negligence in failing to stop this corruption we just claimed in our specious reasoning",

"Yingluk: prove there isn't corruption",

"la la la la we're not listening".

It's partisan politics and NACC is well outside the bounds here.

Who, apart from the millers themselves, were the only people allowed to even see the rice stocks, the one's who were allegedly guarding it, the police, the Thai police, a fine upstanding group of people who only have the nation's interest at heart.

And you use the word partisan.

PTP are nothing more than a bunch of self serving crooks, a couple of them are smart, the rest are gravy lickers.

The so called lawyers know this, and they always get paid, no matter what happens and who falls.

(Iago)

[moonao]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

Hey Cadbury's, the government took itself down, they destroyed themselves, through utter greed and selfishness, no one else was involved in this -they had their chance to govern cleanly but through it out the window.

3 years to run a kingdom and failed.

You still along with your sympathizers never answered my question---give me a list of achievements that the government have been proud of over the 3 years. PLEASE.

please put in some effort to make a more thoughtful and intelligent response before posting such melodramatic , doomsday nonsense like that again. its no wonder your movement is losing supporters with your exaggerated, deceptive, criticism, who in their right mind can digest that ?

[Ricardo]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC have decided that they have enough evidence to indict Yinluck and have decided that the defense witnesses have nothing new to add without even hearing them speak.

If any of these Johnny-come-lately new witnesses had anything different to say, wouldn't the caretaker-PM's lawyers have called them sooner ?

Instead she didn't bother to attend when first called, her lawyers continuously tried to play-for-time, and now it's shown to be a failed-strategy.

She'll have her day in court, unless she 'does a runner', as her brother famously did.

So what's unfair here ? Nothing !

[Tatsujin]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC have decided that they have enough evidence to indict Yinluck and have decided that the defense witnesses have nothing new to add without even hearing them speak.

No, they will have had a "witness statement" from each and then they decides that what was to be said had no bearing on the case.

20 witnesses for Yingkuck all saying that (according to the incompetent PT lawyers) she did nothing wrong doesn't add anything to her defense.

[Thaddeus]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

Hey Cadbury's, the government took itself down, they destroyed themselves, through utter greed and selfishness, no one else was involved in this -they had their chance to govern cleanly but through it out the window.

3 years to run a kingdom and failed.

You still along with your sympathizers never answered my question---give me a list of achievements that the government have been proud of over the 3 years. PLEASE.

please put in some effort to make a more thoughtful and intelligent response before posting such melodramatic , doomsday nonsense like that again. its no wonder your movement is losing supporters with your exaggerated, deceptive, criticism, who in their right mind can digest that ?

Have you had a better offer from the other side and are just rehearsing?

[Thait Spot]

Wait a sec,,, The anti-graft has the authority to call any witnesses and introduce any evidence into the case say's the NACC,

BUT when the defendant wants to call witnesses or introduce evidence into the case, the NACC say's NO!!!

And now the has been a compliant about the unfairness of the NACC, they are crying the PM's lawers are intimidating them.

I see no intimidation, only lawers manovering inside the law as lawrs do, isn't that what you pay them for?...

Unless you know what evidence the NACC has and what evidence YS' lawyer is attempting to introduce, you are talking out of your hat

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[aussieinthailand]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC have decided that they have enough evidence to indict Yinluck and have decided that the defense witnesses have nothing new to add without even hearing them speak.

If any of these Johnny-come-lately new witnesses had anything different to say, wouldn't the caretaker-PM's lawyers have called them sooner ?

Instead she didn't bother to attend when first called, her lawyers continuously tried to play-for-time, and now it's shown to be a failed-strategy.

She'll have her day in court, unless she 'does a runner', as her brother famously did.

So what's unfair here ? Nothing !

WRONG... Her brother (Thaksin) "did not "do a runner" as you incorrectly put it, he was out of the country before the coup,

in other words stabed in the back and kicked while you are down by a gang of many, Isn't that what we read and see often in the LOS,

pack mentality...

[AleG]

NACC have already stated that the witnesses they didn't allow had nothing further to add to the case. End of argument.

Perhaps if PT/CAPO/UDD stop criticising, intimidating and threatening legal action against NACC etc if a decision doesn't go their way, and perhaps if (just for once in her life) Yingluck was available to meet them directly for once instead of campaigning for votes as always, they'd be a bit more lenient/sympathetic/helpful.

The NACC have decided that they have enough evidence to indict Yinluck and have decided that the defense witnesses have nothing new to add without even hearing them speak.

If any of these Johnny-come-lately new witnesses had anything different to say, wouldn't the caretaker-PM's lawyers have called them sooner ?

Instead she didn't bother to attend when first called, her lawyers continuously tried to play-for-time, and now it's shown to be a failed-strategy.

She'll have her day in court, unless she 'does a runner', as her brother famously did.

So what's unfair here ? Nothing !

WRONG... Her brother (Thaksin) "did not "do a runner" as you incorrectly put it, he was out of the country before the coup,

in other words stabed in the back and kicked while you are down by a gang of many, Isn't that what we read and see often in the LOS,

pack mentality...

He came back after the coup, went to trial and did a runner before the veredict was handed to him. So no, Ricardo is right, you are wrong.

Still waiting for a citation on the orders to kill men women and children in 2010, just a reminder.

[ginjag]

The NACC have the power to take down a government.

Therefore the highest level of scrutiny and accountability should be put on this organization, by the public to ensure they are independent, just, consistent and fair with their actions.

Fact is, the NACC are not independent, they are a judicial arm of certain interests, and a full public investigation needs to be opened ASAP, they are not above scrutiny.

Hey Cadbury's, the government took itself down, they destroyed themselves, through utter greed and selfishness, no one else was involved in this -they had their chance to govern cleanly but through it out the window.

3 years to run a kingdom and failed.

You still along with your sympathizers never answered my question---give me a list of achievements that the government have been proud of over the 3 years. PLEASE.

please put in some effort to make a more thoughtful and intelligent response before posting such melodramatic , doomsday nonsense like that again. its no wonder your movement is losing supporters with your exaggerated, deceptive, criticism, who in their right mind can digest that ?

Did you answer anything that I posted----NO YOU DIDN'T because you cannot.

Your reply was the usual reply-negative response ----Please reply to my post, if not you are guilty of complete denial and not wothy to be posting.

I have put my post in so many words as to the truth of the current situation, and over the 3 years. YOUR answer was silly.

You said " my post was not intelligent, melodramatic doomsday nonsense" BUT FACT, you must have been speaking about YOUR reply. Please answer the governments achievements over the 3 years, I ask this because YOU are the one with your lot who are making this government out to be wonderful so please tell us all how wonderful..

Edited May 3, 2014 by ginjag