'No road map to end crisis' - Thai politics

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'No road map to end crisis'
The Nation

Surachai

Acting speaker warns of conflict worsening as Senate discusses solutions

BANGKOK: -- Efforts to find a way out of the political stalemate were under way yesterday, with senators convening an informal meeting to discuss possible solutions to the crisis.

The caretaker government is still insisting on its legal mandate and the ruling Pheu Thai Party hit back at their political rivals, and judges who recently issued a ruling against them.

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai Liengboonlertchai, who chaired an informal meeting of senators aimed at finding a solution to the crisis, said yesterday the ongoing political conflict was worsening and threatening to become violent and spin out of control. He noted that the Senate was the only legislative body operating, after the House of Representatives' dissolution last December.

Surachai said he did not think the Senate discussion would reach a conclusion on a possible way out by yesterday, a deadline set by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban, who threatened to take the matter into his own hands unless a new prime minister was appointed by then.

"The problem has accumulated for more than 10 years. We won't be able to solve the problem within a day. We'll try to do it as quickly as possible in a way that is fairest for the country and for the people," said Surachai, who was elected on Friday by fellow senators to become the new Senate speaker.

He declined to answer when asked if he had the power to appoint a new prime minister, as had been suggested by Suthep, who heads the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC).

"I have no road map for the country's exit," Surachai said, adding that he would also discuss the matter with other institutions.

National Anti-Corruption Commission president Panthep Klanarongran said yesterday he was pleased to join such an effort to find a solution for the nation.

However, the Election Commission would not take part in any move to appoint an unelected neutral prime minister, according to EC secretary-general Puchong Nutrawong.

Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan said he did not expect the presidents of the Supreme Court, Supreme Administrative Court and Constitutional Court to join a discussion about appointing a new prime minister, as had been urged by Suthep.

Jatuporn, who is holding a red-shirt mass rally on Aksa Road, warned that if Surachai dared appoint a new prime minister, "he will know how it feels to be in hell".

Acting Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpisan insisted yesterday that the caretaker government had a legal mandate to remain in power. He said the government was willing to work with all sides to end the impasse, but stressed that it must be done "within the framework of the Constitution."

He also warned against any attempt to replace the government with an appointed interim administration to institute reforms before a new election. "They may do so at their own risk" of breaking the law and exacerbating the conflict, he said.

Pheu Thai yesterday filed a complaint with the Department of Special Investigation against Suthep, who it claims has violated Royal prerogative and committed treason.

DSI chief Tarit Pengdith, in his capacity as secretary of the Centre of Administration for Peace and Order (CAPO) received the complaint from party spokesman Prompong Nopparit, who asked Tarit to consider it as a special case. Tarit told reporters he had accepted the case for consideration.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai's Surapong Tovichakchaikul said yesterday he would file a complaint with the Criminal Court today against the nine Constitutional Court judges who found him guilty of malfeasance in connection with the 2011 removal of National Security Council secretary general Thawil Pliensri.

Surapong said his rights were infringed after the judges' verdict resulted in him losing his posts as deputy prime minister and foreign affairs minister.

The court ruled last week that then-premier Yingluck Shinawatra and nine other Cabinet members, including Surapong, had abused their power by transferring Thawil to benefit a relative of Yingluck.

Pheu Thai yesterday called on the Election Commission to speed up preparations for holding a new election soon. It said an election would be a peaceful solution for the country and it would respond to the people's wishes.

In a related development, the Army has prepared a plan to prevent a clash between the pro- and anti-government demonstrators, according to Deputy Army Spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari. He said so far there has been no sign of threatened violence between the red shirts and PDRC protesters.

Winthai also dismissed rumours of a coup that had been spread on social networks.


-- The Nation 2014-05-13

[Mango Bob]

_{Suthep has failed to achieve what he believe would be the mother of all battles. He doesn't have the support of anyone other than a few paid thugs and old women from the south who could use a few hundred baht a day to blow a whistler. You failed so now your only option is violence. Let see what he does in the next few days and weeks. A bed at the nut house is waiting for him.}

Edited May 13, 2014 by cdnvic
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[EricBerg]

No reason to think the stalemate will stop anytime soon. The matter will be decided in the courts. Both sides should prepare for the next elections in some future. Thailand loses.

[NongKhaiKid]

_{Suthep has failed to achieve what he believe would be the mother of all battles. He doesn't have the support of anyone other than a few paid thugs and old women from the south who could use a few hundred baht a day to blow a whistler. You failed so now your only option is violence. Let see what he does in the next few days and weeks. A bed at the nut house is waiting for him.}

Will he be sharing a ward with ' Mr. Civil War ' Jatuporn and Chalerm ?

If all the idiots on both sides are to be sent to a mental hospital it will have to be a very big one.

Edited May 13, 2014 by cdnvic
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[noitom]

The ten year problem in Thai politics is not the problem. The ten decade problem is the problem. The Thai system of rank and pecking order as well as corruption and breaking of law with impunity if you can afford to pay off the police. It's preposterous how Thais are in denial about this. Getting rid of the Shinawatras does nothing except to further exacerbate the real problem. The reason that Thaksin could swindle what he swindled was because of the Thai system before him. Thais have to face that reality.

[stickyrice2000]

The road map to end the crisis is slap the silly out of the EC and Supreme Court judges. Then continue with the election to form the new government as soon as possible.

Edited May 13, 2014 by stickyrice2000

[WoopyDoo]

Acting Prime Minister Niwattumrong Boonsongpisan insisted yesterday that the caretaker government had a legal mandate to remain in power. He said the government was willing to work with all sides to end the impasse, but stressed that it must be done "within the framework of the Constitution."

The only constitutional way out is for the C-court to be asked to make a decision on whether this shambles of a half cabinet of a corrupt bunch of ministers remaining in their positions actually do have a constitutional mandate.... and what can be done withing the 'constitutional framework'.

Completely ignoring Jattuporn's veiled threats to put the senate speaker 'into hell'.... preferably ordering his arrest for making threats, of which Surachai ought to be personally filing charges against this red terrorist with the criminal court who continues to aid this tw-t's criminal/terrorist agenda.

I have a feeling the 'weak' constitution actually is more organically pointing to the senate to appoint a proper PM and cabinet, as there are actually a few provisions within the constitution that actually give the senate these powers. At the moment the setup is nowhere near within the constitutional framework. But then again it matters little when the cabinet and ex-ruling party are flagrantly ignoring the c-court's recent rulings, and are in complete contempt of court.

[The stuttering parrot]

He declined to answer the question wether he had the power to appoint a new PM as suggested by sutep!

Why not answer?

These stalling tactics and pandering to suteps wishes are steering the titanic straight at the iceberg!

Relieve the pressure and call an election!

[WoopyDoo]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

[Piichai]

He declined to answer the question wether he had the power to appoint a new PM as suggested by sutep!

Why not answer?

These stalling tactics and pandering to suteps wishes are steering the titanic straight at the iceberg!

Relieve the pressure and call an election!

He may be researching it at this very moment. Unlike PTP, many others actually consider consequences before they act.

I'll be surprised if they call for elections before reforms. I shouldn't think they want a repeat of what happened last time. What was the percentage of 'no' votes and defaced ballots again?

[Piichai]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

You may very well be right.

But I'm still hoping those who hold the power are considering Abhisit's framework as a way to negotiate reforms.

[pookiki]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

After the last coup, the military drafted Constitution was put to a vote after the military made it a crime to criticize the draft. The decisions of the CC in the past few years have made Thailand a laughing stock by other democratic nations. Many of the decisions defy any rational analysis. Why do you think a coup would change things? The current Constitution is written in such a way to protect the 'status quo' and the manner in which it is written makes in nearly impossible to make any meaningful changes. Why would the Army or the vested elite have any real interest in reform when it will only erode their power? It's all a facade. Reform='status quo' and more power for the Thai elite if they can get it.

Edited May 13, 2014 by pookiki

[IMA_FARANG]

Yes there is.

Look on the bottom of page 3 of the 13 May Bangkok Post (the one we can't quote here on this forum).

There is an article there concerning a petition now being made by some Thai citizens to the Royal authority requesting that as the highest authority he intervene to help to resolve this political impasse.

Of course, that will mean taking the political solution to the problems in Thailand away from the politicians; By dissolving all current political parties or at least suspending them temporarily.

My opinion only ..... ALL the current political parties have proved they can not see outside their own selfish and self-centered interest and see the interests of the country over their own interests.

Therefore it's time ALL political parties be forced to take a "break" from politics, they should be suspended for a period of at least two years.

Hopefully, by then, they will have learned some sense and not continue acting like spoiled children as they are now doing.

And in Thailand, that "ultimate authority" can order such a thing by decree.

Edited May 13, 2014 by IMA_FARANG

[smedly]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

woopy you are indeed a man of wisdom - two very good posts on this thread

[smedly]

He declined to answer the question wether he had the power to appoint a new PM as suggested by sutep!

Why not answer?

These stalling tactics and pandering to suteps wishes are steering the titanic straight at the iceberg!

Relieve the pressure and call an election!

and do you honestly think that would be a helpful answer in the current climate

What bothers me is the fact that you feel you can criticise this obviously very smart and astute man - says a lot about you actually and your intellectual limitations

[Nickymaster]

He declined to answer the question wether he had the power to appoint a new PM as suggested by sutep!

Why not answer?

These stalling tactics and pandering to suteps wishes are steering the titanic straight at the iceberg!

Relieve the pressure and call an election!

Can't have an election now. reform hasn't finished. Also, there is a political vacuum at the moment so let's go straight to article 7.

[Nickymaster]

_{Suthep has failed to achieve what he believe would be the mother of all battles. He doesn't have the support of anyone other than a few paid thugs and old women from the south who could use a few hundred baht a day to blow a whistler. You failed so now your only option is violence. Let see what he does in the next few days and weeks. A bed at the nut house is waiting for him.}

Yo Bob! Why are you using a girly font?

[BlueNoseCodger]

Surachai said he did not think the Senate discussion would reach a conclusion on a possible way out by yesterday,

It's not a Senate Discussions, it's 40 Senators meeting out-of-session because the elected government won't let them meet in-session. Surachai isn't even the Senate Speaker yet. The elected government won't issue the paper to submit for approval until he's investigated for violating the Senate Special Meeting Decree and calling an illegal vote to elect himself. He won't get paid as senate speaker till then.

"The problem has accumulated for more than 10 years. We won't be able to solve the problem within a day. We'll try to do it as quickly as possible in a way that is fairest for the country and for the people,"

Damn pesky people keep picking the popular candidate. We need to find the correct balance between our country and them people. Maybe 90% us, and 10% them. I don't know, we may not have the people behind us, or the law, or right, or democracy, or the world, or the military, or, erm,...

Comic Sans, yep sums it up.

[chotthee]

Yes there is one and only one road map.

It is the word of Suthep.

[smutcakes]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

You may very well be right.

But I'm still hoping those who hold the power are considering Abhisit's framework as a way to negotiate reforms.

What bloody framework??? He came up with a couple of points that i or anyone could of done on the back of a fag packet in 5 mins.

His framework is basically hand power over to an unelected group, which is illegal and patently was not a serious framework as he knew it would be rejected by all and sundry.

It would be nice for someone advocating reform to actually detail the whats, hows, whens etc but they cannot or will not because its just lip service.

[BlueNoseCodger]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

You may very well be right.

But I'm still hoping those who hold the power are considering Abhisit's framework as a way to negotiate reforms.

What bloody framework??? He came up with a couple of points that i or anyone could of done on the back of a fag packet in 5 mins.

His framework is basically hand power over to an unelected group, which is illegal and patently was not a serious framework as he knew it would be rejected by all and sundry.

It would be nice for someone advocating reform to actually detail the whats, hows, whens etc but they cannot or will not because its just lip service.

Go read Wikileaks,its the same thing they wanted to do in 2008 coup.

Make the Cabinet appointed, leaving an elected Parliament, but appointed Senate, appointed Independent Agencies and appointed Government.

So the elected parliament can make laws, but the appointed government would break whatever laws it likes, and the appointed senate would do nothing to stop them, just as the appointed independent agencies behave now.

You can see why they don't write it in a manifesto and try to get the people to vote on it.

[Scamper]

Jatuporn continues to breach his bail conditions by leaps and bounds. He has tried threatening civil war. Now he is openly threatening Surachai. Surely this can't be tolerated. These are physical threats by any definition. It's beyond outrageous. Surapong is suing all nine judges of the Constitutional Court. He is hurt that they removed him as foreign minister and deputy prime minister. What is so increasingly bizarre about Surapong is that he has publicly and defiantly claimed already that he's still deputy prime minister. So which narrative is he adopting ? After all, Chalerm still heads CAPO. No apparent embarrassment there. And through a piece of fortune for Chalerm, CAPO apparently overturned the Constitutional Court ruling regarding him in a memo they released last week. So he's off the hook. CAPO came to save the day. From CAPO's point of view, the Constitutional Court made a mistake regarding Chalerm. So that's all cleared up. Prompong has directed Tarit to include yet another charge against Suthep. And the new PM that never was is saying he has a " legal mandate ". Let's get this straight :

- he wasn't elected by the people, either through a quorum-filled parliament, or through the Senate in the event of a quorum-less parliament.

- Pheu Thai picked him out of half a caretaker cabinet, for which there are no provisions in the constitution. Needless to say, it's never been done before. Neither of which disturbs Pheu Thai. No, they are too busy at the moment filing constitutional charges against the Constitutional Court.

- he has no parliament

- he has no public mandate

- he has no legislative power

He has neither legal standing nor a mandate in any shape or form. In other words - nothing. And yet that's Pheu Thai's cornerstone narrative - Surapong stays, Chalerm stays, and they have a new PM. Dissolution of parliament on December 9 never happened. So it's back to business as usual.

This crisis is deepening. Because no one's budging, and the competing narratives are becoming more entrenched and volatile. And the calmer voices that want to sit down and try to work things out - like Abhisit's - are drowned out by intransigence almost as soon as they speak. It is abundantly clear that this crisis can only be solved by people sitting down and talking. Sooner or later, that will have to happen. But when people refuse to do that - as they are now - they simply hurl themselves towards a breaking point. What will determine the events in the short term will not, unfortunately, be based on any kind of mutual reasoning. The short term will be determined - as in the case of so many events in the past - through the frailties of human nature. Sad to sad, in the short term - anger will trump reason. And when it does, the army will have no choice but to step in.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Jatuporn continues to breach his bail conditions by leaps and bounds. He has tried threatening civil war. Now he is openly threatening Surachai. Surely this can't be tolerated. These are physical threats by any definition. It's beyond outrageous. Surapong is suing all nine judges of the Constitutional Court. He is hurt that they removed him as foreign minister and deputy prime minister. What is so increasingly bizarre about Surapong is that he has publicly and defiantly claimed already that he's still deputy prime minister. So which narrative is he adopting ? After all, Chalerm still heads CAPO. No apparent embarrassment there. And through a piece of fortune for Chalerm, CAPO apparently overturned the Constitutional Court ruling regarding him in a memo they released last week. So he's off the hook. CAPO came to save the day. From CAPO's point of view, the Constitutional Court made a mistake regarding Chalerm. So that's all cleared up. Prompong has directed Tarit to include yet another charge against Suthep. And the new PM that never was is saying he has a " legal mandate ". Let's get this straight :

- he wasn't elected by the people, either through a quorum-filled parliament, or through the Senate in the event of a quorum-less parliament.

- Pheu Thai picked him out of half a caretaker cabinet, for which there are no provisions in the constitution. Needless to say, it's never been done before. Neither of which disturbs Pheu Thai. No, they are too busy at the moment filing constitutional charges against the Constitutional Court.

- he has no parliament

- he has no public mandate

- he has no legislative power

He has neither legal standing nor a mandate in any shape or form. In other words - nothing. And yet that's Pheu Thai's cornerstone narrative - Surapong stays, Chalerm stays, and they have a new PM. Dissolution of parliament on December 9 never happened. So it's back to business as usual.

This crisis is deepening. Because no one's budging, and the competing narratives are becoming more entrenched and volatile. And the calmer voices that want to sit down and try to work things out - like Abhisit's - are drowned out by intransigence almost as soon as they speak. It is abundantly clear that this crisis can only be solved by people sitting down and talking. Sooner or later, that will have to happen. But when people refuse to do that - as they are now - they simply hurl themselves towards a breaking point. What will determine the events in the short term will not, unfortunately, be based on any kind of mutual reasoning. The short term will be determined - as in the case of so many events in the past - through the frailties of human nature. Sad to sad, in the short term - anger will trump reason. And when it does, the army will have no choice but to step in.

Well whose afraid of Jutaporn... dude we can smell the reek of fear from you lot whenever the name Jutaporn is mentioned.

[BlueNoseCodger]

In a related development, the Army has prepared a plan to prevent a clash between the pro- and anti-government demonstrators, according to Deputy Army Spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari. He said so far there has been no sign of threatened violence between the red shirts and PDRC protesters.

Yeh, when the army pretends to be neutral between a force trying to have a coup and the elected government, you pretty much know what they mean. They're guarding Suthep because Suthep doesn't have the numbers to guard himself.

They should send the old ladies in, send tens of thousands of little old ladies dressed in red shirts to go arrest Suthep.

The army wouldn't dare shoot them.

Edited May 13, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Piichai]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

You may very well be right.

But I'm still hoping those who hold the power are considering Abhisit's framework as a way to negotiate reforms.

What bloody framework??? He came up with a couple of points that i or anyone could of done on the back of a fag packet in 5 mins.

His framework is basically hand power over to an unelected group, which is illegal and patently was not a serious framework as he knew it would be rejected by all and sundry.

It would be nice for someone advocating reform to actually detail the whats, hows, whens etc but they cannot or will not because its just lip service.

It's a starting point for people to discuss.

Better to appeal to cooler heads than stonewall. Or run away.

[smutcakes]

There is nothing else that can help this country, when there is huge contempt of court by it's so called leaders, and the amount of defamation against the highest court in the land that just seems to just sit there and soak it all up and sit idly while their rulings are being blatantly ignored.

Combined with the fact that every attempt at moving forwards logically is being blocked and opposed by a bunch of ministers who no longer have any legal mandate who insist the only way out is the exact same laughably illogical BS about another 'unreformed' and hugely undemocratic election that would not only be a mirror of the last laughable election attempt, but one that would be in a vastly more unstable environment than Feb 2nd.

It seems now the only way out is a coup and for all those who have clearly abused their power and also flouted court decisions to be rounded up and incarcerated while a new election system is put in place to prevent Thaksin's ability to breach every democratic principal of an election within a country he no longer has any valid rights to while he remains a wanted criminal.

Without a coup now, Thailand will be no different in 2 years as it is today.... simple as that.

I never condoned a coup over the past 6 months and was in fact very much against it, but now I have changed my mind as I suspect a whole heap of people have.

You may very well be right.

But I'm still hoping those who hold the power are considering Abhisit's framework as a way to negotiate reforms.

What bloody framework??? He came up with a couple of points that i or anyone could of done on the back of a fag packet in 5 mins.

His framework is basically hand power over to an unelected group, which is illegal and patently was not a serious framework as he knew it would be rejected by all and sundry.

It would be nice for someone advocating reform to actually detail the whats, hows, whens etc but they cannot or will not because its just lip service.

It's a starting point for people to discuss.

Better to appeal to cooler heads than stonewall. Or run away.

Did he not also say his proposal was non negotiable?

[Piichai]

It's a starting point for people to discuss.

Better to appeal to cooler heads than stonewall. Or run away.

Did he not also say his proposal was non negotiable?

T'was just a bargaining chip. He'll make a compromise and look like the hero who saved Thailand.

And Yingluck will go down in history as one who refused to come to the table.

[RubbaJohnny]

In Bongo Bongo land we use a TOmTOm not sure if Thais are ready for a road map.

I showed one to my wife once as it was written only in Thai.

Some hours later I leanred I will never make that error again.

[RubbaJohnny]

Self righteos determination that one is correct is not only a Thai charactersitic

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[Mango Bob]

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_{Suthep has failed to achieve what he believe would be the mother of all battles. He doesn't have the support of anyone other than a few paid thugs and old women from the south who could use a few hundred baht a day to blow a whistler. You failed so now your only option is violence. Let see what he does in the next few days and weeks. A bed at the nut house is waiting for him.}

Yo Bob! Why are you using a girly font?

Since some of you have commented on my font and try to throw insults because you don't like my comments, I will continue to use this font and upset you even more. Thank you for your comments.