Two killed, 21 wounded in attack on Thai protest camp: officials

[gemini81]

The shinas are losing their grip. The red government is gradually being kicked out. The big bad guy in Dubai is not a good loser. He will try to cause destruction and havoc as revenge for sending off his puppet government. Last time there were bombs a bullets and burning buildings. He will try the same this time.

Yeah yeah. blame it again on Thaksin ONLY. And your short memory easily forgets before Thaksin was drinking Soya Milk from a bottle, Thailand was already a political chaos. Ousting him in 2006 was the dumbest mistake the PWRRTC (persons who really rule this country) made.

If you assume Thailand will be a balanced society few years after Thaksin has passed away or withdrawn from political activities, you must live in Utopia.

I hope he comes back soon.

Got banned and a new screename I see. Welcome back...or well, actually how about welcome to the servants/slaves quarters of your liege lord in the back wing of an anonymous penthouse condo in Dubai. Now you can troll till your hearts content cheering murdering despots.

[Mackie]

I don't think there are many options left. I'm afraid there is going to be a violent end to this latest Thai soap opera. And to blame anti-government portesters for being attacked and killed once again is simply beyond ridiculous.

It might sound harsh,but the only solution is to simply take out Jattuporn, Nattawut, Chalerm,Kwanchai,Ko Tee and the rest of the company. They introduced terrorism and violence to Thai politics. Once they are gone, the life can get back to normal.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Mackie

[3NUMBAS]

Smelling civil war.

When the judges are just puppets and the police not allowed to make its job => only violence remains.

Explain your police remark.

The rest is just cretinous

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the instigator is a wanted man and carrys on creating mayhem and hasnt been arrested yet hence his remarks

[3NUMBAS]

This may be a silly question but can the military not just take charge and then get The Kings advice on how to proceed? That article by some academics on a temporary neutral government sounds like the best idea. Surely if it came down from the King himself people would stop all this madness?

no they would not take any notice because theyre hoodlums and thugs outside the law

[bigbamboo]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

[AleG]

This may be a silly question but can the military not just take charge and then get The Kings advice on how to proceed? That article by some academics on a temporary neutral government sounds like the best idea. Surely if it came down from the King himself people would stop all this madness?

I understand your frustration. It is the responsibility of the police to handle this. I believe Adul is interested in doing his job, but some think his seniors may not be. If the police can't handle this, then Prayuth can step in. He can help in the form of a civil action to back the police or call martial law into effect. Either way, this would not be a coup and would leave this up to the courts and politicians.

What you seem to be suggesting (or hoping for), is a coup. To the extent possible, it is always best to avoid a coup.

The police have no interest to prevent or find those responsible for this and other attacks against anti-government protestors. They have, IMHO, worn out the benefit of the doubt long ago.

Case in point, I don't expect at all for the Chief of Police to allow any investigation on who threw two grenades against the house of a woman that blew a whistle at Thaksin's ex-wife, Potjaman na Pombeira, and then sprayed that same woman's mother's house with automatic fire for the simple fact that the Chief of Police just happens to be Potjaman's brother.

[Mackie]

Smelling civil war.

When the judges are just puppets and the police not allowed to make its job => only violence remains.

Explain your police remark.

The rest is just cretinous

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the instigator is a wanted man and carrys on creating mayhem and hasnt been arrested yet hence his remarks

But the instigator has been only talking and walking. His supporters have been attacked, his supporters have been killed in numbers, his supporters have been bombed etc...etc...Anyway EnzoRippo sounds like another red troll account. Typical of them, justifying violence instead of condemning widespread corruption, pillaging of public funds, nepotism, criminal rice shceme, criminal one tablet per child scheme etc...etc...

Edited May 15, 2014 by Mackie

[doctorproc156]

Who says I did? Neither have I conveniently forgotten the UDD gestapo celebrating the dead of children, or the 24 other people who have been killed by your friends over the last 6 months. Nor have I forgotten the Tak Bai massacre or the "war on drugs" murders, which your supreme leader was responsible for. I wouldn't condone burning down, say, Chiang Mai or Khon Kaen for that though.

I think it is "funny" that you think it is justified to burn down Thailand because a bunch of idiots in a red t-shirt yell to people that they should. But hey, these idiots were actually planted by Suthep, as you red shirt buddy diehard60 suggested......

I didn't mention anything about the current crisis or the tak bai incident, fault is due to whomever deserves it. I'm just saying that if any group of protesters just had at least a 100 of them killed on their side that they may burn some buildings and retaliate in a certain way. There just cannot be a double standard.

[Tatsujin]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

It's all about the color of the . . . shirt . . . apparently

[See the bears]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

It's all about the color of the . . . shirt . . . apparently

No, they refused police assistance.

[Tatsujin]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

It's all about the color of the . . . shirt . . . apparently

No, they refused police assistance.

Must have been a "trust" issue then.

Can't blame them, I wouldn't want to be surrounded by armed Police, all with their guns pointing at me.

[jagriffin2]

Chaos and Disorder are running supreme throughout Thailand and the World at large. With the debt of the western world growing exponentially it is only a matter of time before the proverbial S**T hit the fan. Proves you just can't keep on throwing good money after bad thinking you can solve all the problems.

[Nickymaster]

It will definitely get worse

You should become Chalerm's mouthpiece. Will give him some more time to hit the bottle.

[Nickymaster]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

It's all about the color of the . . . shirt . . . apparently

No, they refused police assistance.

You think that the families from the 20+ anti-government supporters also refused police assistance in bringing the murderers to justice?

[TimCM]

I don't think there are many options left. I'm afraid there is going to be a violent end to this latest Thai soap opera. And to blame anti-government portesters for being attacked and killed once again is simply beyond ridiculous.

It might sound harsh,but the only solution is to simply take out Jattuporn, Nattawut, Chalerm,Kwanchai,Ko Tee and the rest of the company. They introduced terrorism and violence to Thai politics. Once they are gone, the life can get back to normal.

Sorry but you need to learn some history on the topic. Are they responsible for the many coups over the years and massacres in the 70's

Google is your friend if you want it to be

[theoldgit]

Post flaming other posters removed.

[Stradavarius37]

Smelling civil war.

When the judges are just puppets and the police not allowed to make its job => only violence remains.

Explain your police remark.

The rest is just cretinous

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I see nothing overly "Cretinous" about the comments. I don't particularly agree with them, but they are not over the top. Your comments however, seem to be mean spirited and "Cretinous", to coin a phrase...

Anyone countenancing violence is a cretin.

You are reading it wrong Nancy. No countenacing of violence, it is a prediction of the inevitability of violence. Back to primary school for you so you can relearn reading for context.

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Edited May 15, 2014 by Stradavarius37

[Old Man River]

This may be a silly question but can the military not just take charge and then get The Kings advice on how to proceed? That article by some academics on a temporary neutral government sounds like the best idea. Surely if it came down from the King himself people would stop all this madness?

I understand your frustration. It is the responsibility of the police to handle this. I believe Adul is interested in doing his job, but some think his seniors may not be. If the police can't handle this, then Prayuth can step in. He can help in the form of a civil action to back the police or call martial law into effect. Either way, this would not be a coup and would leave this up to the courts and politicians.

What you seem to be suggesting (or hoping for), is a coup. To the extent possible, it is always best to avoid a coup.

The police have no interest to prevent or find those responsible for this and other attacks against anti-government protestors. They have, IMHO, worn out the benefit of the doubt long ago.

Case in point, I don't expect at all for the Chief of Police to allow any investigation on who threw two grenades against the house of a woman that blew a whistle at Thaksin's ex-wife, Potjaman na Pombeira, and then sprayed that same woman's mother's house with automatic fire for the simple fact that the Chief of Police just happens to be Potjaman's brother.

In general, I agree with you. The two major reforms discussed is decentralization and a revamp of the police. On the latter, I wouldn't be surprised if Adul is elevated. He is considered one of the good guys.

The Army can get forcibly involved without a coup.

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[chooka]

Would Chalerm (or his supporters on here) like to comment as to why CAPO didn't see fit to offer the anti government protestors the same protection as the redshirts.

Are they not all Thais or are some considered more Thai than others?

It's all about the color of the . . . shirt . . . apparently

No, they refused police assistance.

You think that the families from the 20+ anti-government supporters also refused police assistance in bringing the murderers to justice?

Let us think about the families from both sides, there is no evidence to say that all the deaths are a result of red shirts. It is insulting to the grieving families for experts on here to say who killed who without doubt.

I would really hate it if some Thai Visa expert on here was shoving it in my face so I choked saying this guy wore a purple shirt so he definitely killed your son.

I hate it here if some one says a bad word, he is a bloody red and all the peaceful non reds want to hang and quarter them in public whilst inflicting as much violence as they can gather.

[northernjohn]

There's vote buying on both sides so what's new!

The yellows jumped on rent a crowd and they themselves practice this.

Some posters on here want corruption complelty stamped out before elections.

Well it ain't going to happen no matter who's running the show.

And it's not only Thailand who has corrupt governments it's all over the world.

How about agreeing on having governors elected before elections take place?

OK... So Nicky is making a suggestion at reforming the government. What do you think parrot? Is that a good idea or a bad idea? It's called negotiating.

Parrot's don't negotiate they just say what they are trained to say.

[lvr181]

In 1932 the King was "forced" to give up being an absolute monarch in Thailand. It is now some 82 years later and people (political parties) still cannot handle "democracy". I would suggest that political leaders (whatever their political beliefs are) cannot handle transparent, accountable and responsible governance for the good of the country. Sadly, I think that with the forming of ASEAN, as a political and economic group, may well consign Thailand to the economic scrap heap unless politicians and their supporters stop self aggrandizement. Political "leaders" need to spell out what their reform policies are (who has done so, to date?), so that voters know who they should support instead of invoking reasons why they should make a grab for power, with vague promises of reform. Cut out the bulls**t of the blame game and do something for the betterment of all peoples of Thailand.

[sabaii69]

This certainly spoils the party

[elzach]

Lets not talk about civil war.... but at least the expats can leave.

It won't hurt to have a back up plan in place in the event it all goes tits up and you live in a hot zone. Those things do happen, and it happens fast. History has taught us that.

What back up plan? relax, civil war here doesn't mean overnight bombardment.

All your must-have belongings in Thailand should fit in two suitcases, have cash (baht AND USD), and have a plan to get a ride to Cambodia or Myanmar or Laos in case the airports close.

[sumtingwong]

So, does that mean the civil war has started or continuing?

[longballlarry]

I wonder if the masses of Thais in the UK have a forum they go to and chat and argue about UK unrest. If they do, have they previously really given a <deleted> about what is happening there when the UK is involved in a war or there is civil unrest in the streets due to some government dispute or riot ( poll tax / Mayday/ Brixton/Broadwater farm/Tottenham/wapping/ minors dispute/Birmingham race riots etc etc ). I guess the Thais there would mostly just go about their business and not care half as much as we do here. Because they all know, if it got to bad, they could just up sticks and go home. Whats the point in us finger pointing and shouting at each other on this board about things that are way out of our control. We have no rights here, and the Thais in power couldn't care less about our opinions, just our money. Let them all get on with it. Perhaps they might just discover a brain when all the dust has settled.

Thats just my opinion, but please feel free to attack if you're having a bad day.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and inflammatory replies have been removed.

[JamesHawkins]

In the last full election 14 million voted for PTP. 16 million voted for other parties .. that's the truth of it!

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Were "the other parties" that had 16 million votes, the same party? No, they weren't, therefore the party with the most votes gets the opportunity to form a government. I don't know why you find that so hard to understand, it's not rocket science.

Let's go back, way back, to the time when the Democrat Party formed a government because they actually contested and won the most seats, not by other means.

That's right, 1996. The dems got just over 18 million votes. 38.8 million people voted for other parties. (16.5 million votes went to the second highest party wrt votes)

The dems formed a government.

In reality, that's the truth of it!

You had better get back into your "way back" machine. The NAP won that election in 1996 just before the financial crash of '97. I wonder how many Ministers (including Thaksin) got very rich with foreknowledge of the devaluing of the baht after General C declared that it wouldn't happen.

http://cdp.binghamton.edu/era/elections/thi96par.html

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Thailand 1996 Legislative Election

Chamber House of Representatives

Date of Election: November 17, 1996

Type of Electoral System: Majority

Number of Seats Available:393

Length of Legislative Term

4 years

Number of Seats

Percentage of Votes

New Aspiration Party (NAP)

125

-

Democrat Party (DP)

123

-

National Development Party (NDP)

52

-

Thai Nation (Chart Thai)

39

-

Social Action Party (SAP)

20

-

Thai Citizens (Prachakorn Thai)

18

-

Solidarity (Ekkaparb)

8

-

Liberal Democratic Party (Seri Tham)

4

-

Mass Party (Muan Chon)

2

-

Righteous Force (Palang Dharma)

1

-

Thai Party (Thai)

1

-

Source: Political Handbook of the World 1999, Binghamton, NY: CSA Publications, 1999.

Population Size

60 652 000

Registered Voters

38 564 836

Total Votes

24 060 744

Vote/Registered Voter

62.4%

Spoilt Ballots

1.7%

Source: Voter Turnout: Thailand. [internet]. International IDEA. 15 April 2002.

Sorry about formatting: follow link for better view.

Edited May 16, 2014 by JamesHawkins

[MGP]

So, does that mean the civil war has started or continuing?

It simply means that the Royal Thai Police is still not doing their job to catch the terrorists and protect the citizens.