Thai army chief warns military 'may use force' if unrest continues

[Publicus]

Hahaha a bit late now the army chief should have taken action when national elections where interrupted / prevented through violence and intimidation!

Where was the army then?

Useless as always - now go back to your barracks and go on wasting taxpayers money that's what you do best!

Oh and yes - staging coups as well!

If the army chief thinks this is violence then he has nothing seen yet - the armed forces can not even handle a small insurgency in the south - imagine that all over Bangkok if a "neutral" puppet PM is installed!

Do the country a favor go out and arrest Suthep and his gang of criminals otherwise stay inactive nobody expects you to do anything!

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

[AleG]

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

The situation in the South cascaded out of control when Thaksin decided to play politics in the region, removed the Army and the institutions that were in place to keep peace and order and replaced them with his men from the Police force. That is what started the violence we see today.

[max72]

With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

I don t know how much money your hero, the convicted mass murderer Suthep paid you to spread all these lies .

Thaksin government was the least corrupt in Thai history and Yingluck 's was the second least corrupt according to Transparency International statistics, while it is also easy to find how the best economy growth was under Thaksin -who paid in advance all Thai debt to IMF- the best freedom of press , according to Reporters without borders and the most successful fight against drugs and child prostitution.

The elite (your friends and heros) are willing to restore their criminal regime who massacres women an children, exploits children and destroys the country with metanphetamine (yaa baa).

If you have any complains , you and your hero Suthep can send your mobs of assassins to harass the Transparency International ,Freedomhouse and Reporters without borders headquarters.,so you can leave Thailand free. This country doesn't need any jaidam who loves to see women and children massacred while sheltered inside a temple.

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[max72]

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

The situation in the South cascaded out of control when Thaksin decided to play politics in the region, removed the Army and the institutions that were in place to keep peace and order and replaced them with his men from the Police force. That is what started the violence we see today.

A big ammount of LIES.

Violence in the South started many years before Thaksin jumped into politics.

Nice try with these slanders, I guess your hero Suthep suggested them to you.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Suthep's tactics finally working

They worked and did their job back in December!!! End of story.

[khunken]

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

The situation in the South cascaded out of control when Thaksin decided to play politics in the region, removed the Army and the institutions that were in place to keep peace and order and replaced them with his men from the Police force. That is what started the violence we see today.

He doesn't know what he's writing about,

First, the army is not in charge in the south - the government controls the forces in the south which include the police & rangers as well as the army.

SEcond the Communist insurgencies (except the big one in Vietnam) were only defeated with the help of foreign intervention. Thankfully the only negative intervention in the south has been Thaksin's - as you point out.

As for tanks, they really don't have a major part to play in guerilla warfare. Agent Orange, cluster bombs and the like would do the trick but there is a fairly population that would be destroyed too.

The army, if it's forced into a coup-like control by Thaksin's militias, will only concentrate on Bangkok. It's a telling fact that the only sensible one among the current big mouths is the army general.

Publicus does make one sensible comment albeit with his twisted analysis - that Thailand is a failed state. Lawlessness, ruling party above the law, opposition silenced in parliament, using a militia to try to silence the judiciary, real leader a convicted criminal living abroad. Has a somewhat fictional democracy ring to it.

[khunken]

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

The situation in the South cascaded out of control when Thaksin decided to play politics in the region, removed the Army and the institutions that were in place to keep peace and order and replaced them with his men from the Police force. That is what started the violence we see today.

A big ammount of LIES.

Violence in the South started many years before Thaksin jumped into politics.

Nice try with these slanders, I guess your hero Suthep suggested them to you.

Before you accuse another poster of lying, get your facts straight - if you have any. You failed to see that the insurgency got far worse (no one said that it started with Thaksin) when he went about dismantling what was working fairly well.

http://www.fes-asia.org/media/publication/Legaspi%20-%20Case%20studies%20Southern%20Philipines%20and%20Southern%20Thailand.pdf

Earlier analyses (see for example: McCa

rgo 2007 and Ukrist 2007) linked the

resurgence of the insurgency in Thailand to the hea

vy-handed response and policy missteps

of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, includ

ing the imposition of Martial Law and

later the Emergency Decree, the failure to investig

ate and punish abuses by security forces,

and the dismantling of the SBPAC and CPM 43. Thaksi

n’s actions were linked to his

personal “CEO-style” of leadership which demanded i

mmediate results to emerging issues, as

well as his goals to dismantle institutions control

led by his political enemies who are well

entranched in the South.

[fab4]

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Suthep's tactics finally working

On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

This will be the army that handed over government house to suthep and his merry men, that kind of fulfilling responsibilities do you mean?

And you fab4 continue to ignore / evade the fact that the police are not doing their job and are almost absent.

Not ignoring or evading, just giving you an example of where the army are not exactly fulfilling their responsibilities either. They had 176 checkpoints with soldiers to match supposedly beefing up security. The grenades and shootings still happened and they apprehended not one person, so it's a bit rich you blaming the police for not doing their job.

[tonytigerbkk]

With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

I don t know how much money your hero, the convicted mass murderer Suthep paid you to spread all these lies .

Thaksin government was the least corrupt in Thai history and Yingluck 's was the second least corrupt according to Transparency International statistics, while it is also easy to find how the best economy growth was under Thaksin -who paid in advance all Thai debt to IMF- the best freedom of press , according to Reporters without borders and the most successful fight against drugs and child prostitution.

The elite (your friends and heros) are willing to restore their criminal regime who massacres women an children, exploits children and destroys the country with metanphetamine (yaa baa).

If you have any complains , you and your hero Suthep can send your mobs of assassins to harass the Transparency International ,Freedomhouse and Reporters without borders headquarters.,so you can leave Thailand free. This country doesn't need any jaidam who loves to see women and children massacred while sheltered inside a temple.

How are you going to get people to treat you seriously when you are filling your posts with crap?

What do you think this is all about, do you think that it’s just a personality clash between Suthep and Thaksin?

If ever you get the chance to visit Thailand take some time to talk to people from all walks of life and explain you non corrupt Shinawatra theory (fantasy) to them.

You will be laughed out of the country.

[tonytigerbkk]

Exactly.

As the situation in the three southernmost provinces clearly demonstrate, the armed forces of the state cannot defeat, manage, control an organized insurgency against it.

This is true globally. Communist insurgencies during the Cold War were difficult to defeat, but they were defeated. Twenty-first century insurgencies are impossible for the armed forces of the state to defeat.

The army has more than 700 tanks but what have more than 700 tanks accomplished in Pattani, Yala, Narithiwat? What good will they be anywhere in Thailand? Thai army's tanks are anyway tin can low tech vehicles because of the modest quality of its conscript army.

Thailand has a grand total of 7 attack helicopters.

The OP points out the Thai military has the legal authority to declare martial law, independent of the civilian authority, which is another characteristic of the modern failed state.

The situation in the South cascaded out of control when Thaksin decided to play politics in the region, removed the Army and the institutions that were in place to keep peace and order and replaced them with his men from the Police force. That is what started the violence we see today.

A big ammount of LIES.

Violence in the South started many years before Thaksin jumped into politics.

Nice try with these slanders, I guess your hero Suthep suggested them to you.

More crap.

Read the Wiki page on South Thailand insurgency.

I have supplied you with a link just in case this may prove difficult for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency

Pay particular attention to the sub headings ‘Political factors’ and ‘Tak Bai incident’.

I particularly enjoyed being reminded of your hero’s statement about the 78 men that died through their ill treatment Tak Bai incident.

He stated that they died "because they were already weak from fasting during the month of Ramadan”.

Of course, given your political stance and the ignorance that you posts show, you will no doubt retort that Wiki is written by Suthep.

[AleG]

This will be the army that handed over government house to suthep and his merry men, that kind of fulfilling responsibilities do you mean?

And you fab4 continue to ignore / evade the fact that the police are not doing their job and are almost absent.

Not ignoring or evading, just giving you an example of where the army are not exactly fulfilling their responsibilities either. They had 176 checkpoints with soldiers to match supposedly beefing up security. The grenades and shootings still happened and they apprehended not one person, so it's a bit rich you blaming the police for not doing their job.

Except, of course, that the attacks in the last days, after the army was relieved of their duties have increased as shown by yesterday's three deaths and attacks against the protest site in Chaengwattana.

Besides that this is not true "they apprehended not one person", the only arrests following one of the dozens of grenade and gunfire attacks happened on the night of March 28 after two M-79 rounds were fired at the NACC, a joint police and army patrol caught 10 Red Shirts in possession of war weapons that were linked to other attacks against anti-government protestors, a fact that pro government/UDD sympathizers apparently refuse to acknowledge since I never get a reply after I bring that up.

[khunken]

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On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

This will be the army that handed over government house to suthep and his merry men, that kind of fulfilling responsibilities do you mean?

And you fab4 continue to ignore / evade the fact that the police are not doing their job and are almost absent.

Not ignoring or evading, just giving you an example of where the army are not exactly fulfilling their responsibilities either. They had 176 checkpoints with soldiers to match supposedly beefing up security. The grenades and shootings still happened and they apprehended not one person, so it's a bit rich you blaming the police for not doing their job.

Actually CAPO removed the police from Government House and handed the duty over to the army. Also the army only allowed Suthep into a small section which seemed just as sensible as when the police allowed the protestors into HQ a while back.

The army 'checkpoints' were mostly nothing more than small medical posts with a few unarmed army personnel manning them. The were more to dissuade the bombers and shooters and, in most cases, they did that job.

As for not apprehending one person - a lie. A joint army police force captured a group of red shirts with weapons and bombs not long after the NACC was attacked. Only when the army were involved did this happen. Never with the police.

The number of incidents since last November is well into the scores. Even though 2 of the worst incidents involving death - the temple on Bangna & Laksi - with known red militia groups (Ko Tee & the Samut Prakarn brigade), no one has been apprehended. It is notable that Ko Tee was escorted by the police from Laksi and only the 'popcorn shooter' was targeted for arrest.

[Jim walker]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

[AleG]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

[khunken]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Rubbish. Up to 1932 Thailand was mostly ruled by an absolute monarchy which was changed by a coup (yes, a coup) to a constitutional monarchy.

I don't know who the coup lovers are (I certainly don't love a coup but have seen the necessity at times) but to compare the current situation with Burma is plain sensationalism.

I lived through the 2006 coup quite happily and there is just as much targeting of Farangs now as there were then. Ask the Indian gentleman who Chalerm attempted to hound out of the country for standing on a stage but apparently allowing the paid Canadian 'lawyer' to appear on another stage.

The current army chief is actually the only sensible one in a sea of partisan mouths.

[Acharn]

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Suthep's tactics finally working

On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

The police can't/won't "fulfill their responsibilities" because it would require force. This is when the Army is supposed to send troops to assist the police, but the Army supports Khun Suthep, so they haven't been willing to do that. Now that it looks like some UDD people might be getting too enthusiastic they may be reconsidering. Of course, as we've recently seen in the Ukraine, protest groups, at least those supported by the CIA, are not above attacking their own people to provide an excuse. Not saying the CIA supports Suthep, but the Thai government has not signed up the the Trans Pacific Partnership, which the corporate masters of the U.S. want very badly. Of course any competent revolutionary knows about the tactic, so we really don't know who is behind the attacks, but this one was bad.

[Jim walker]

You lived through the 2006 coupe well done a fellow survivor I managed it as well. The army chief is exactly that and is not involved in politics he is not elected he just carries out order that’s his command he will do and say as the Privy Council tells him to do it’s not his view.

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Suthep's tactics finally working

On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

Maybe if the General hadnt tied the hands of the police, they would have fulfilled their responsibilities. The current state of affairs is largely due to the militaries unwillingness to support the police, and I dont mean physically.

Well given that it's obvious the police are part of the thaksin machine, do you really expect that the army would rush to be in bed with the police?

[khunken]

You lived through the 2006 coupe well done a fellow survivor I managed it as well. The army chief is exactly that and is not involved in politics he is not elected he just carries out order that’s his command he will do and say as the Privy Council tells him to do it’s not his view.

The army has been dragged into the current political mess by CAPO. Like it or not it's because the police are totally incompetent (not to mention biased).

If you believe that Prayuth is taking orders from the PC, good luck with that because it's nothing more than speculation. Try and live with whatever facts we have - rumour, speculation and sensationalism are not conducive to peace of mind.

[Globeman]

With the benefit of hindsight, the army ought to have had a proper coup as soon as it was obvious that the PM had hobbled the judges during his asset hiding case after he first won power. He had no place continuing in a public capacity after that disgraceful event. The dozen or so years of chaos that his over-riding the justice system gave us was unfortunately quite an obvious result.

For this impending coup, they need to have a clear cut goal. That is to remove any trace of Shin DNA from any position of authority, for all time. I know how I would do that.

With the benefit of hindsight, the army should have rounded up the yellow shirts back in 2006, when they began to obstruct democracy. The government at the time had led strong economic growth, repayment of public debt, reduction in the military budget and perhaps most importantly an improvement in income equality. The potential growth lost in the past 8 years through the actions of a few greedy and jealous individuals has robbed the Thai people of their peace and prosperity. The facade of reforms and transparency is simply a ploy to maneuver their way back into power. They as well as any clear-headed individual knows that reforms will take decades, not months.

That, or they could have issued a warrant for Thaksin's arrest back in 2003 for ordering the cold-blooded murders of 3,000 people - I wonder how many of those killed had voted for Thaksin, but regretted it during their dying moments. I love it how Thaksin apologists always talk about the ballot box and democracy with a capital 'd', never admitting that Thaksin has been as corrupt, conniving, murderous and manipulating as the elites have, but because he consistently wins the popularity contest (which, god knows, has cost him and the Thai taxpayer a big pile of money), he should be allowed to do whatever the hell he wants, regardless of the law.

[Piichai]

C'mon where you been? The Army is yellow not red!!!

They're both, probably slightly more red than the average population, rich elites can get out of military service, poorer folk not so easily, so since the poor tend to be more red politics, and reds won 53% in 2011, there will be a slight bias to red among the troops (e.g. 54%).

Yet back in 2010, the watermelon soldiers had no trouble running the Reds out of Bangkok.

[Publicus]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

Like what happened in 1992 and in 2010 combined but not limited to Bangkok.

2006 was a walk in the park.

You rapid response PDRC guys who are swarming all over a few posters at this thread know the much worse and national scale situation will happen sooner or later. You're trying however to try to convince people nothing will happen. You've said your stuff so often and so repeatedly you actually began to believe it long ago.

The PDRC seizes power and they will keep it for the big event and long after it besides. Absolutely.

Burma redux.

[Publicus]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

Like what happened in 1992 and in 2010 combined but not limited to Bangkok. And then some.

2006 was a walk in the park.

You rapid response PDRC guys who are swarming all over a few posters at this thread know the much worse and national scale situation will happen sooner or later. You're trying however to try to convince people nothing will happen. You've said your stuff so often and so repeatedly you actually began to believe it long ago.

The PDRC seizes power and they will keep it for the big event and long after it besides. Absolutely.

Who do you think you're kidding. We here are not Thai. Governments, investors, civil society globally know what's going on here. What makes you think we don't.

Burma redux.

[AleG]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

Like what happened in 1992 and in 2010 combined but not limited to Bangkok.

2006 was a walk in the park.

You rapid response PDRC guys who are swarming all over a few posters at this thread know the much worse and national scale situation will happen sooner or later. You're trying however to try to convince people nothing will happen. You've said your stuff so often and so repeatedly you actually began to believe it long ago.

The PDRC seizes power and they will keep it for the big event and long after it besides. Absolutely.

Burma redux.

Hang on, I'm a PDRC guy now? really, 'cause you say so?

[khunken]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

Like what happened in 1992 and in 2010 combined but not limited to Bangkok.

2006 was a walk in the park.

You rapid response PDRC guys who are swarming all over a few posters at this thread know the much worse and national scale situation will happen sooner or later. You're trying however to try to convince people nothing will happen. You've said your stuff so often and so repeatedly you actually began to believe it long ago.

The PDRC seizes power and they will keep it for the big event and long after it besides. Absolutely.

Burma redux.

Another one full of conspiracy crap.

You 'know' nothing of the sort. As the army has rebuffed the PDRC more than once, the chances of them taking power are fat and slim.

Burma my arse - wacky posts such as this are just baiting.

[Publicus]

C'mon where you been? The Army is yellow not red!!!

They're both, probably slightly more red than the average population, rich elites can get out of military service, poorer folk not so easily, so since the poor tend to be more red politics, and reds won 53% in 2011, there will be a slight bias to red among the troops (e.g. 54%).

Yet back in 2010, the watermelon soldiers had no trouble running the Reds out of Bangkok.

What?

Those were Special Operations Forces not the rank and file troops of the regular army. Coup forces are specialized, ultra-loyal Special Operations troops, not the rank and file of the regular army - this is true in any coup country. The 2010 army combatants were Special Ops forces, not the rank and file grunts.

The commanders of the armed forces allowed their soldiers, sailors, air force personnel to vote freely on February 2nd to gauge and measure the watermelon element among the rank and file privates corporals, sergeants. It's one of the reasons there's been no coup. What happens when you slice a watermelon into two chunks?

[Piichai]

C'mon where you been? The Army is yellow not red!!!

They're both, probably slightly more red than the average population, rich elites can get out of military service, poorer folk not so easily, so since the poor tend to be more red politics, and reds won 53% in 2011, there will be a slight bias to red among the troops (e.g. 54%).

Yet back in 2010, the watermelon soldiers had no trouble running the Reds out of Bangkok.

What?

Those were Special Operations Forces not the rank and file troops of the regular army. Coup forces are specialized, ultra-loyal Special Operations troops, not the rank and file of the regular army - this is true in any coup country. The 2010 army combatants were Special Ops forces, not the rank and file grunts.

The commanders of the armed forces allowed their soldiers, sailors, air force personnel to vote freely on February 2nd to gauge and measure the watermelon element among the rank and file privates corporals, sergeants. It's one of the reasons there's been no coup. What happens when you slice a watermelon into two chunks?

Not, they weren't.

P. S. You missed the part about Suthep aligning with the Senate today.

[ginjag]

At the end of 1932 Thailand had 60 years of military rule some of the coup Junta lovers on TV might not be so happy once beautiful relaxing Thailand turns into a 1962 Burma and we all get our marching orders from the military rulers.

Like it didn't happened in 2006?

Like what happened in 1992 and in 2010 combined but not limited to Bangkok.

2006 was a walk in the park.

You rapid response PDRC guys who are swarming all over a few posters at this thread know the much worse and national scale situation will happen sooner or later. You're trying however to try to convince people nothing will happen. You've said your stuff so often and so repeatedly you actually began to believe it long ago.

The PDRC seizes power and they will keep it for the big event and long after it besides. Absolutely.

Burma redux.

Hang on, I'm a PDRC guy now? really, 'cause you say so?

Hey mate anyone criticizing the PTP are PDRC--lovers of Suthep-Yellows, heard it all before. Diabolical governing-abusing power, and this small brigade attacks us for pointing out bad government actions. Everyones wrong according to them.

In their eyes they love Thaksin + family (near all have been accused/or convicted of various bits) jutaporn avoiding jail, Chalerm what a super example of a PTP VIP. the list is a mile long.----would it be classed as normal to love this lot ???? but their posting right.

Think I'll stick to being a critic of lousy government. (again who ever.)

[AleG]

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Suthep's tactics finally working

On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

Maybe if the General hadnt tied the hands of the police, they would have fulfilled their responsibilities. The current state of affairs is largely due to the militaries unwillingness to support the police, and I dont mean physically.

Nothing is stopping the police from finding and arresting those behind these regular attacks, in fact the ONLY time they have made arrest was when a joint police and army patrol caught a group of Red Shirts armed with war weapons after they fired a couple M-79 grenades against the NACC on March 28th.

So that makes your statement completely bogus, in case you didn't notice.

Any comments on that? because every.single.time I bring that fact up Red Shirt/PTP sympathizers go very quiet.

Well, fancy that, no replies.

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Suthep's tactics finally working

On the other hand perhaps the good general is saying that if the police can't / won't fulfill their responsibilities then someone else will need to do so.

The police can't/won't "fulfill their responsibilities" because it would require force. This is when the Army is supposed to send troops to assist the police, but the Army supports Khun Suthep, so they haven't been willing to do that. Now that it looks like some UDD people might be getting too enthusiastic they may be reconsidering. Of course, as we've recently seen in the Ukraine, protest groups, at least those supported by the CIA, are not above attacking their own people to provide an excuse. Not saying the CIA supports Suthep, but the Thai government has not signed up the the Trans Pacific Partnership, which the corporate masters of the U.S. want very badly. Of course any competent revolutionary knows about the tactic, so we really don't know who is behind the attacks, but this one was bad.

CIA?

"The police can't/won't "fulfill their responsibilities" because it would require force".

What about the numerous incidents which should be automatically investigates by the police, but have never been investigated / never been investigated completely / investigations have stopped well before any conclusion?

Edited May 16, 2014 by scorecard