no more visa runs and bikes

[Hog Head]

Now that Immigration is not allowing "visa runs" what happens to all the foreign registered bikes that are here doing their own visa runs

Has the day of reckoning finally come to bikes as well?

[ll2]

if you are riding just for visa runs, yes, no more borders and bikes.

But until 12th of August, i think no problems for border run.

[NomadJoe]

if you are riding just for visa runs, yes, no more borders and bikes.

But until 12th of August, i think no problems for border run.

I can't figure out what you are trying to say.

It would only effect those doing visa exempt stamp entries while they are "visa running" their cars or bikes. Anyone on tourist visas. B, O, or visa extensions, it is no different than before.

But, doing a border run with a vehicle in order to keep it legal doesn't require the owner to actually get stamped out, as long as the owner is able to physically reach the customs offices at the border without having to be stamped out, it shouldn't be an issue. But it depends on the border. Sadao is very open and should be easy, for example.

After August 12th foreigners will no longer be allowed to use Thailand's borders or airports.

Edited May 16, 2014 by NomadJoe

[Som wat]

No changes at all.

The border runs only apply to people without visas.

Those with visas are not effected in anyway. Come and go as you please, if you have a multi-entry visa or multi-entry permit on an extension of stay.

When visa running a bike they person doesn't have to cross the border anyway.

So no difference whatsoever.

[Richard-BKK]

I have the idea that the OP means motorcycles with a foreign license plate (registered in a foreign country) that needs to do a visa run like people without an official visa.

I'm not an expert on foreign motorcycles that have an entry permit for Thailand, but I always had the feeling that the rules for the motor vehicle border entry permit followed the rules for visa-on-arrival... If that's the case people with a motorcycle registered in a foreign country will “soon” also have problems with entering Thailand with there motorcycle...

[ll2]

if you are riding just for visa runs, yes, no more borders and bikes.

But until 12th of August, i think no problems for border run.

I can't figure out what you are trying to say.

It would only effect those doing visa exempt stamp entries while they are "visa running" their cars or bikes. Anyone on tourist visas. B, O, or visa extensions, it is no different than before.

But, doing a border run with a vehicle in order to keep it legal doesn't require the owner to actually get stamped out, as long as the owner is able to physically reach the customs offices at the border without having to be stamped out, it shouldn't be an issue. But it depends on the border. Sadao is very open and should be easy, for example.

After August 12th foreigners will no longer be allowed to use Thailand's borders or airports.

what i am saying is clear.

and according to a meeting i was in with high ranking immigration officials, they will go hard on tourist visas as well soon. And for Non B visa, why do you need to do a border run? And Non O people can pay the fee and need to go only to the immigration every three months actually.

[NomadJoe]

And for Non B visa, why do you need to do a border run?

Because multiple entry non-immigrant business visa holders have to do a border run every 90 days unless on extensions.

And Non O people can pay the fee and need to go only to the immigration every three months actually.

Of course. What's your point? You do understand this topic is about people that are driving temporarily imported vehicles with non-Thai plates? Regardless of their visa status, these people must have the vehicle exit and re-enter the country to keep the temporary import documents legal. (The length of time changes).

"if you are riding just for visa runs, yes, no more borders and bikes."

This statement is very unclear. The new rules specifically apply to people without visa's. A "visa run" is when you go to a consulate or embassy to get a new visa or to the boarder to use an entry in your existing visa. People entering visa exempt are exactly not doing visa runs, as they have no visa, they are doing boarder runs. Please learn to use the proper terms if you are going to give advice here.

EDIT: Ok, I read your comment again and now it makes sense to me. You answered not understanding the OP is asking how the new rules will effect people having to what is commonly called "visa running" their foreign registered bikes. Hope it makes sense to you now.

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Edited May 16, 2014 by NomadJoe

[ll2]

And for Non B visa, why do you need to do a border run?

Because multiple entry non-immigrant business visa holders have to do a border run every 90 days unless on extensions.

And Non O people can pay the fee and need to go only to the immigration every three months actually.

Of course. What's your point? You do understand this topic is about people that are driving temporarily imported vehicles with non-Thai plates? Regardless of their visa status, these people must have the vehicle exit and re-enter the country to keep the temporary import documents legal. (The length of time changes).

"if you are riding just for visa runs, yes, no more borders and bikes."

This statement is very unclear. The new rules specifically apply to people without visa's. A "visa run" is when you go to a consulate or embassy to get a new visa or to the boarder to use an entry in your existing visa. People entering visa exempt are exactly not doing visa runs, as they have no visa, they are doing boarder runs. Please learn to use the proper terms if you are going to give advice here.

Thanks for clearing up. If you dont say i will never know!

As op said visa run, i used the same term and as you can read i stated it as border run at the end of my sentence.

But yes, hard days are ahead for the people with foreign plate bikes.

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited May 16, 2014 by ll2

[Hog Head]

To clarify

One can bring in a foreign registered bike on a TIB (Temporary Import Bond) and keep it in Thailand for 3 months. Renewable seemingly indefinably by doing a border run. Up to 6 months without the border run by paying the late fine of 2000 b

This method has been used for years to scam the import rules and avoid taxes and duties.

The TIB is in theory tied to ones passport and you would think that if you leave the country the bike has to go too, but that has not been the case. You would also think that if one is in on a retirement visa for example that a temporary import would not be allowed as one is a resident. That also has not been the case

There are people here for years abusing this rule

Now that back to back border visa runs are not allowed, it would stand to reason that the bike border runs are at risk as well.

Then again reason might not prevail

[Som wat]

The TIB is in theory tied to ones passport and you would think that if you leave the country the bike has to go too, but that has not been the case. You would also think that if one is in on a retirement visa for example that a temporary import would not be allowed as one is a resident.

In some places, Chiang Mai for example, people were able to extend the temporary import at the the CM customs office, near CNX airport.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Som wat

[mania]

I bet the guys over on Ride Asia dot net would know

Seems quite a few of them have bikes here on "Temp Registration"

I use to read that forum specifically about this as it was interesting they were bringing in KTM's from India thru Cambodia

at a much reduced price to buying in over priced Thailand

Edited May 16, 2014 by mania

[ll2]

I bet the guys over on Ride Asia dot net would know

Seems quite a few of them have bikes here on "Temp Registration"

I use to read that forum specifically about this as it was interesting they were bringing in KTM's from India thru Cambodia

at a much reduced price to buying in over priced Thailand

mania, i was there recently and they officially sell KTM duke 200 and 390 in Cambodia along with other Bajaj models. Also you can see all Indian bikes in Cambodia like Yamaha (Indian models), TVS etc.

And lots of ktm duke 200 on the roads there and price is similar with Indian price but pumped up some of course.

Edited May 16, 2014 by ll2

[NomadJoe]

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Now that back to back border visa runs are not allowed, it would stand to reason that the bike border runs are at risk as well.

Then again reason might not prevail

I disagree. It's a separate issue dealt with by a different department completely and the reasons given for this crackdown (stolen passports and a missing jet airliner) have nothing to do with the relatively small number of people using the TIB system to keep vehicles here semi-permanently. It's just not that common, not compared to people doing back to back visa exempt entries, especially since G7 countries were again granted 30 days at land borders last November.

I strike through the word "visa" above because back to back visa runs are still allowed. Back to back visa exempt entries at land borders are what is not. For example, I have had 3 back to back 1 year multiple entry business visa's (actually allows me 15 months in Thailand) and every 90 days I hop on my bike and ride to Ranong, (and usually once a year to Malaysia for Moto GP). I will not have any problem continuing this "visa run" back to back to back etc.

[mania]

I bet the guys over on Ride Asia dot net would know

Seems quite a few of them have bikes here on "Temp Registration"

I use to read that forum specifically about this as it was interesting they were bringing in KTM's from India thru Cambodia

at a much reduced price to buying in over priced Thailand

mania, i was there recently and they officially sell KTM duke 200 and 390 in Cambodia along with other Bajaj models. Also you can see all Indian bikes in Cambodia like Yamaha (Indian models), TVS etc.

And lots of ktm duke 200 on the roads there and price is similar with Indian price but pumped up some of course.

Yes LL KTM Cambodia has a FB page & use to post their sale prices on banners.

Dont know if they still do as I have not looked recently

But yes, they have a very fair price there.

Makes one wonder why Thailand KTM has gone the "exclusive" route they did & try to create something

of a Ducati aura around the prices & marketing of their bikes.

Edited May 16, 2014 by mania

[Rooo]

Guys we have 2 options her, either play nice or keep this going & will close the topic. Let you have some leeway don't abuse it please.

[Maestro]

The country in which a motorcycle is registered has absolutely nothing to do with Thai laws and regulations regarding visas and visa-exempt entries, as far as I can see, but if the OP would like to explain any connection there may be I will be interested in reading it.

[Som wat]

"And non b multiple visa is for businessman coming here for business visits, meetings or conventions etc. over a year. It is normally not something you do visa extensions on a shitty land border. Illegal workers, or illegal long term stayers or teachers do that only but it is hard to get one without proper and credible documents."

Nobody goes to the border to get an extension, (quoted profanity removed by Moderator) .. You get Temporary Extensions of Stay, usually ranging from 7 days to 12 months at your local immigration office. Not (ditto) land borders.

Many people are here on multi-entry 12 month visas. I myself came here on a Non-B 12 month multi-entry in 2006 as I was set up to commute from Thailand to Japan throughout my contract.

Many people are here on multi-entry non-immigrant visas. With these the alien is only permitted to stay in the Kingdom of Thailand for 90 days at a time. ie, every 90 days they need to do a 'border run.'

"And Non O people can pay the fee and need to go only to the immigration every three months actually."

Eh? Aliens with a Non-Imm O Multi-Entry (usually based on marriage to a Thai national) do not go to immigration (actually?). They recieve a 90 day Permission of Temporary Stay when they enter Thailand, by the end of which they need to have left the country, ie. most likely by doing a 'Border Run' and returning immediately to recieve another 90 day Permission of Temporary Stay.

Those with a Non-O can apply for a Extension of Temporary Stay at their local immigration office, for which requirements are set.

OP. Nothing is set to change with regards to your question. Any questions about it, feel free to PM me.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Sheryl
civility and removal of profanity

[moe666]

We had a Canadian fella who brought his old BMW into Thailand and he had to run up to Mai Sai for his bike and no problem, this was from CM.

People with any type of Multiply Non=immigrant Visa have to make 90 day trips out side of the country except for the Non-O-A visa and they have to report to immigration every 90 days.

Edited May 16, 2014 by moe666

[Sheryl]

The flamefest is OVER.

[Som wat]

If anybody is looking for correct visa info, feel free to PM me.

I am an expert.

Good day all.

[Sheryl]

Ample visa information can also be obtained in the TV Visa forum.

Let's keep the focus on the issue of foreign-registered bikes please.

[Hog Head]

To clarify

One can bring in a foreign registered bike on a TIB (Temporary Import Bond) and keep it in Thailand for 3 months. Renewable seemingly indefinably by doing a border run. Up to 6 months without the border run by paying the late fine of 2000 b

This method has been used for years to scam the import rules and avoid taxes and duties.

The TIB is in theory tied to ones passport and you would think that if you leave the country the bike has to go too, but that has not been the case. You would also think that if one is in on a retirement visa for example that a temporary import would not be allowed as one is a resident. That also has not been the case

There are people here for years abusing this rule

Now that back to back border visa runs are not allowed, it would stand to reason that the bike border runs are at risk as well.

Then again reason might not prevail

Now that the bickering is over does anyone care to comment on my OP

Edited May 17, 2014 by Hog Head

[Som wat]

Now that back to back border visa runs are not allowed, it would stand to reason that the bike border runs are at risk as well.

No.

And just to clarify, 'back to back border visa runs'.... Aliens suspected of working or other illegal activity while attempting to enter Thailand on a Visa Exemption, mainly with previous Visa Exemptions, are at risk of being refused entry to the Kingdom.

Many, many other people do 'border runs' within their visa's duration, as they only get a 90 day Permission of Temporary Stay while entering the country on their 12 month Non-Immigrant Multi-Entry visa or Mutli-Entry Tourist Visa, and they haven't gotten an Extention of Temporary Stay from their local Immigration Office.

If their stay is going to be over 90 days in country and they don't get an Extension of Temporary Stay from their local immigration office, they need to do a 'border run' to get another Permission of Temporary Stay. Same with those with Multi-Entry Tourist Visas. Nothing 'illegal' at all about that, their 'border runs' continue.

Vehicle Temporary Import Bonds are to do with the Thai Customs Department, not the Dept. of Immigration.

Edited May 17, 2014 by Som wat

[BSJ]

I am a little confused about the TIB (Temporary Import Bond).

To be granted a further 90 day permission. Do you have to physically take the car or bike over the border and then return?

Or do you just have to present the car or bike at a customs office at or close to the border?

How much is the bond?

[Som wat]

I am a little confused about the TIB (Temporary Import Bond).

To be granted a further 90 day permission. Do you have to physically take the car or bike over the border and then return?

Or do you just have to present the car or bike at a customs office at or close to the border?

No. It just has to go to customs. You were able to get a TIB extension at CNX airport customs department in Chiang Mai.

But you know Thailand, different offices different rules different day different rules. It's the same with the Thai Customs Dept.

It is completely separate to the Dept. of Immigration. There is no connection.

[NomadJoe]

The guys I know who were "visa running" their foreign registered cars successfully either had friends in the customs department or "made friends" in the customs department that "took care" of everything for them. TIT and cooperation from a government official increases exponentially the higher the amount of "tea money" given said officer. It's simply the way it works here.

[VocalNeal]

Seems to me a moderator or someone should come up with an accepted phraseology for a visa run or a border run etc or whatever to avoid any confusion which may be present following the recent changes.. Most of the BS posts seemed to be about the difference.