All protesters dispersed by soldiers; PDRC jubilant

[diehard60]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL????????????????????????????????????????????

[elzach]

JOKE country.

[Docno]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

Which it looks like it is. Mrs Yim was watching an interview with General P last night and was smiling saying he is 100% a yellow supporter.

I would hope that international pressure may see quick elections, but wont be holding my breath.

I would think that is a no brainer since the general is pro democracy, similar to the yellow shirts, and that's the only way forward for this country which had has suffered too long from the reign of a family that doesn't know the meaning of the word democracy.

You mean the same Yellow Shirts who want to minimise popular representation in the Senate, who advocate increased authority of an unelected judiciary over elected officials, and who would prefer an appointed prime minister to one elected by a majority they know they are powerless against at the ballot box?

[moe666]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

"The military also provided buses for both red-shirt protesters on Aksa Road and the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) supporters on Rajdamnoen Avenue and Chaeng Wattana Road."

"Buddha Issara also allowed the Army to dismantle the PDRC protest site at Chaeng Wattana Road"

" it is believed that the monk is under detention at the First Artillery Battalion Headquarters."

"PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban, who is being detained by the Army"

That sounds pretty equal, don't you think?

Well see. Let's wait until the first detained people are released, see who they are and then revisit that assumption.

You are a ray of sunshine

[Scamper]

It is hard to imagine this going more smoothly than it has. All rallies were disbanded peacefully, and there has been no violence. A recent army communique revealed that the Senate and courts are fully functioning. Daily life in Thailand continues - but without the fiery speeches and without the violence and the tension. The red shirt leader quoted in this article is profoundly foolish to issue such a statement, as the army will unquestionably respond to it. It's clear that the first stage of this is to secure control. Once that's in place, the path forward can take place. The reality of a Senate that is functioning may lend clues to a future path. The 3-point plan that Prayuth proposed was : 1) the cabinet resigns, 2) an interim government is formed, and 3) the UDD and PDRC rallies end. Two of these have already taken place, of which now remains the forming of an interim government. The PDRC is jubilant because they believe an interim government will promote reform. The Senate in recent days affirmed their commitment to find a consensus acceptable to all parties. This is key to the long-term success of it. Interim means of course interim - temporary. The pathway towards a general election will likely be predicated on a reform package agreed to among the parties. There is much work to be done. The Thaksin strings were cut yesterday. What remains is a lot of hope, and a new opportunity to bringing healing to the country.

[Docno]

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Which it looks like it is. Mrs Yim was watching an interview with General P last night and was smiling saying he is 100% a yellow supporter.

I would hope that international pressure may see quick elections, but wont be holding my breath.

From the day that yingluck won the election this was always the end game.

Now we will have an Abbhisit clone in power soon and more feeding at the trough for the elites.

Of course this was the end game when a government governs the way PTP (Pardon Thaskin party) has done. I would say that you are sounding like a parrot when you comment as such (Now we will have an Abbhisit clone in power soon and more feeding at the trough for the elites.) I think a new game is about to emerge. By the way who's we?

Your naivety is staggering.

A new game! You've got to be joking.

Do you honestly believe that the poweful families that have run Thailand for the past hundred years and own just about everything in the country are going to allow anyone else to have control?

Democracy is a just a word, to which they only pay lip service.

No matter what Thaksin's faults were, his biggest sin was that he threatened their control over the wealth of Thailand, and his fate was sealed.

Suthep and the generals had this organised as soon as PTP won again.

By the way, what a brilliant acronym, how long did it take you to think of that?

The interesting part will be watching their attempts to put the genie back into the bottle.

The yellows are only a small part of the population and the Dems will never win popular support with the majority of Thais (the rural poor).

So unless they prevent them from voting (Suthep's plan) they're really just prolonging the inevitable.

We?

It's me (an observer of 40 years) and my Thai friends here in the North.

"New game"? Well, there may actually be some truth in that, but I'd hesitate to call it a 'game'. TRT and its supporters were caught largely of guard by the last coup, and it turned out to be quite uneventful. However, the situation is very different this time around. The Reds have been predicting a coup for some time now ... pretty well as soon as Yingluck assumed office. Predicting something means you will prepare for it. So the Reds are much better prepared, networked and organised now ... they've had a lot of time to get ready for this day, should it happen. And now it has. All bets are off. I truly hope that calmer heads will prevail and that the army will quickly demonstrate its commitment to acting in the best interests of the nation and democracy (as paradoxical as that might sound). But I wouldn't put money on that....

[Rob8891]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

"The military also provided buses for both red-shirt protesters on Aksa Road and the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) supporters on Rajdamnoen Avenue and Chaeng Wattana Road."

"Buddha Issara also allowed the Army to dismantle the PDRC protest site at Chaeng Wattana Road"

" it is believed that the monk is under detention at the First Artillery Battalion Headquarters."

"PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban, who is being detained by the Army"

That sounds pretty equal, don't you think?

Well see. Let's wait until the first detained people are released, see who they are and then revisit that assumption.

You are a ray of sunshine

No he's not! (Congratulations, btw Moe.....an American with a sense of irony. Who would have thought, eh? )

Why keep being so negative, Fab4? You are knocked back on one negative comment, so yo u immediately shift the goalposts to another negative comment. That seems pretty pointless, and hardly does you credit. Constructive debate would be far more use, don't you think, instead of continually bleating about it not being fair.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Rob8891

[Fookhaht]

well if ALL protesters are DISPERSED then why is that monk and suthep and thoier thugs NOT IN JAIL???????

Jailed/detained. It's all a matter of semantics. Just like "This isn't a coup."

[slipperylobster]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL????????????????????????????????????????????

what ????

[fab4]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

"The military also provided buses for both red-shirt protesters on Aksa Road and the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) supporters on Rajdamnoen Avenue and Chaeng Wattana Road."

"Buddha Issara also allowed the Army to dismantle the PDRC protest site at Chaeng Wattana Road"

" it is believed that the monk is under detention at the First Artillery Battalion Headquarters."

"PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban, who is being detained by the Army"

That sounds pretty equal, don't you think?

Well see. Let's wait until the first detained people are released, see who they are and then revisit that assumption.

You are a ray of sunshine

Realist.

[Rob8891]

well if ALL protesters are DISPERSED then why is that monk and suthep and thoier thugs NOT IN JAIL???????

Jailed/detained. It's all a matter of semantics. Just like "This isn't a coup."

It is hard to keep up with fast moving news, but (EDIT TO ADD....it was reported that) Suthep was detained after yesterday's abortive meeting, along with all the other participants. Buddha Issara was reported detained when the protest site at Chaengwattana was cleared.

Hopefully, your BP can now drop a point or two!

Edited May 23, 2014 by Rob8891

[The stuttering parrot]

PDRC Jubilant !,

Screams the headlines.

They won't be so jubilant when the people get the chance to vote again!

[whybother]

why are we kept in the dark, by cutting international channels like CNN, BBC & others .. nothing to do with those reds or yellow or blue or blacks ...........

You get more information from here and web based news than you do on TV. I'm watching BBC and they are repeating the same sound bites every 30 minutes for about a minute each time.

There was a Nation reporter being interviewed that was pushing the line by clearly saying why the army took over at this time.

[fab4]

Well see. Let's wait until the first detained people are released, see who they are and then revisit that assumption.

You are a ray of sunshine

No he's not! (Congratulations, btw Moe.....an American with a sense of irony. Who would have thought, eh? )

Why keep being so negative, Fab4? You are knocked back on one negative comment, so yo u immediately shift the goalposts to another negative comment. That seems pretty pointless, and hardly does you credit. Constructive debate would be far more use, don't you think, instead of continually bleating about it not being fair.

I'm sorry. Should I be jumping for joy because the army have suspended the constitution, the army chief has appointed himself PM, any chance of an election has receded into the far distance, the economy will tank , the Thai people are no better off, censorship is rife and the political situation has been made worse?

BTW I can multitask and deal with more than one post at a time. However I do have a life outside of TVF as I'v explained before and frankly some of the "responses" on here are not worth the time responding to.

[SanSaiExPat]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

The Army is, in fact, the arm of the PDRC.

[iliailiailiailia]

Do not change a winning team !

[Docno]

It is hard to imagine this going more smoothly than it has. All rallies were disbanded peacefully, and there has been no violence. A recent army communique revealed that the Senate and courts are fully functioning. Daily life in Thailand continues - but without the fiery speeches and without the violence and the tension. The red shirt leader quoted in this article is profoundly foolish to issue such a statement, as the army will unquestionably respond to it. It's clear that the first stage of this is to secure control. Once that's in place, the path forward can take place. The reality of a Senate that is functioning may lend clues to a future path. The 3-point plan that Prayuth proposed was : 1) the cabinet resigns, 2) an interim government is formed, and 3) the UDD and PDRC rallies end. Two of these have already taken place, of which now remains the forming of an interim government. The PDRC is jubilant because they believe an interim government will promote reform. The Senate in recent days affirmed their commitment to find a consensus acceptable to all parties. This is key to the long-term success of it. Interim means of course interim - temporary. The pathway towards a general election will likely be predicated on a reform package agreed to among the parties. There is much work to be done. The Thaksin strings were cut yesterday. What remains is a lot of hope, and a new opportunity to bringing healing to the country.

I suggest you read a history of the 1992 coup ('Black May' as it is now called). It initially started much the same way, a bloodless coup with the army saying that its role was to defend democracy and criticising the various opposition forces of acting 'undemocratically'. That was in February (note that it is not called 'Black February' for a reason). But things quickly went south in the weeks that followed, especially after one of the coup leaders appointed himself as Prime Minister. That led to street fighting in Bangkok and the death or disappearance of many people. These are early days still, and I hope the generals read history books and have reliable memories...

[iliailiailiailia]

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[wlcart]

did anyone die yesterday? I have heard rumors.

[SanSaiExPat]

Anyone know the whereabouts of PM Niwattumrong?

[rubl]

It is hard to imagine this going more smoothly than it has. All rallies were disbanded peacefully, and there has been no violence. A recent army communique revealed that the Senate and courts are fully functioning. Daily life in Thailand continues - but without the fiery speeches and without the violence and the tension. The red shirt leader quoted in this article is profoundly foolish to issue such a statement, as the army will unquestionably respond to it. It's clear that the first stage of this is to secure control. Once that's in place, the path forward can take place. The reality of a Senate that is functioning may lend clues to a future path. The 3-point plan that Prayuth proposed was : 1) the cabinet resigns, 2) an interim government is formed, and 3) the UDD and PDRC rallies end. Two of these have already taken place, of which now remains the forming of an interim government. The PDRC is jubilant because they believe an interim government will promote reform. The Senate in recent days affirmed their commitment to find a consensus acceptable to all parties. This is key to the long-term success of it. Interim means of course interim - temporary. The pathway towards a general election will likely be predicated on a reform package agreed to among the parties. There is much work to be done. The Thaksin strings were cut yesterday. What remains is a lot of hope, and a new opportunity to bringing healing to the country.

I suggest you read a history of the 1992 coup ('Black May' as it is now called). It initially started much the same way, a bloodless coup with the army saying that its role was to defend democracy and criticising the various opposition forces of acting 'undemocratically'. That was in February (note that it is not called 'Black February' for a reason). But things quickly went south in the weeks that followed, especially after one of the coup leaders appointed himself as Prime Minister. That led to street fighting in Bangkok and the death or disappearance of many people. These are early days still, and I hope the generals read history books and have reliable memories...

Interesting to find this on the 1992 events:

"Suchinda’s action brought hundreds of thousands of people out in the largest demonstrations ever seen in Bangkok, led by the former governor of Bangkok, Major-General Chamlong Srimuang."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_since_1973#The_NPKC_and_Bloody_May

[Cuchulainn]

...............Soldiers go on the stage to detain red-shirt leader Weng Tojirakarn and persuade all followers of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship to go home yesterday after the Army seized power. The UDD had been rallying on Utthayan (Aksa) Road..............

This is a military order. Forcibly evict them at gunpoint if necessary.

[culicine]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL????????????????????????????????????????????

If he is not detained somewhere, where is he now? You seem to know...

Edited May 23, 2014 by culicine

[Smokemachine]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL????????????????????????????????????????????

what ????

HUH!?? HE IS RELEASED!!????

[crazykopite]

Not a monk in my view if he is involved with political parties and aggression

[jimbeam1]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL????????????????????????????????????????????

Pssssssssssssssssst What's he been convicted of ?

jb1

[PhilipCook]

If you don't want to incite violence make bloody well sure all sides are treated equally and the PDRC are dispersed also. Failure to do so will only enforce the thought that the army are just an arm of the PDRC.

Which it looks like it is. Mrs Yim was watching an interview with General P last night and was smiling saying he is 100% a yellow supporter.

I would hope that international pressure may see quick elections, but wont be holding my breath.

From the day that yingluck won the election this was always the end game.

Now we will have an Abbhisit clone in power soon and more feeding at the trough for the elites.

Grow up Bob, all levels of people are at the trough here regardless of who is in charge because the rule of law isn't respected, its constantly circumvented by the majority of people here, its cultural. Get to a point where laws are fair and obeyed and there will be no need for 'green' intervention.

[Piichai]

WHY ISNT SUTHEP IN JAIL???????????????????????????????????????????

Relax, Francis.

Right now Suthep is chatting up Thida.

[Smokemachine]

[Piichai]

PDRC Jubilant !,

Screams the headlines.

They won't be so jubilant when the people get the chance to vote again!

It's not about the elections...