No double standards, NCPO tells police, courts and lawyers

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No double standards, NCPO tells police, courts and lawyers
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Council for Peace and Order Friday released order number 63/2014 on judicial policy to ensure the rule of law.

The order stipulates that the judicial process, which includes not just the courts of law but also the police, Office of the Attorney General, the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the Department of Special Investigation must carry out its duty in a just manner and in a way that can be scrutinised by the public.

They must also avoid causing any misunderstanding in the public about its work in a way that could lead to division within society and there should be no double standards in application of the law.

The order also says people must be given equal access to justice.

-- The Nation 2014-06-13

[ginjag]

This is just for starters today, with a host of other things, I do not care what politics your from you cannot knock this guy.

[EyesWideOpen]

Guess this does not bode well for the Red Bull killer . Think he will be away for a

long long time.....

[ThaiRich]

This is just for starters today, with a host of other things, I do not care what politics your from you cannot knock this guy.

I kinda think he should be prime minister.

[bapak]

A good start wouldl be the immediate trial of the the "burn Bangkok down" / "bring your petrol bombs" group.

[Costas2008]

This is just for starters today, with a host of other things, I do not care what politics your from you cannot knock this guy.

I kinda think he should be prime minister.

He doesn't need to be a prime minister.

He is laying the foundations now for a better Thailand, and a return to the parliamentary system.

I just hope when they come back, they don't put Thailand in the same s$it as before.

[EyesWideOpen]

A good start wouldl be the immediate trial of the the "burn Bangkok down" / "bring your petrol bombs" group.

I always wondered about that. Where is Arisman now ? Government position

or fled to Cambodia? I know if I gathered up a bunch of people, and told them

to burn down Bangkok, I would be in jail forever.....

[borisloosebrain]

Definitely agree with equal access to justice, particularly for poorer folks who often suffer from lack of good legal advice and representation The police need a good kick up the bum, it's good seeing it actually start to happen.

[Chupup]

Rather serems that things are coming back " to bite them in the arse" , i like this guy

[lomatopo]

Well proclamations are nice, clearly I am in the minority when it comes to understanding the difference between reality and a press release but the Thai judicial system is based on hundreds of years of precedence with a foundation based on Sakdina and one's position in the hierarchy. The legal codifcation of 1805 (Three Seals) is basically made up thousands of scenario, examples on which outcomes could be adjudicated, whereby one's validity was a function of their position in society.

So while proclamation 63/2014 is interesting, it remains challenging to undrstand how a single, simple proclamation can re-jigger a legal system which has existed for a long time, and is tightly knitted into the societal hierarchy.

[Sealbash]

Well proclamations are nice, clearly I am in the minority when it comes to understanding the difference between reality and a press release but the Thai judicial system is based on hundreds of years of precedence with a foundation based on Sakdina and one's position in the hierarchy. The legal codifcation of 1805 (Three Seals) is basically made up thousands of scenario, examples on which outcomes could be adjudicated, whereby one's validity was a function of their position in society.

So while proclamation 63/2014 is interesting, it remains challenging to undrstand how a single, simple proclamation can re-jigger a legal system which has existed for a long time, and is tightly knitted into the societal hierarchy.

Do you not think someone should at least try? Or should we all just bury our heads in the sand and lament that "nothing will change anyway"?

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[dahinni]

that should happens long ago, but parties in power BEFORE are FAKES

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND A LOT OF THAIS KNOW AND DID NOTHING

Edited June 13, 2014 by dahinni

[Robby nz]

A good start wouldl be the immediate trial of the the "burn Bangkok down" / "bring your petrol bombs" group.

I always wondered about that. Where is Arisman now ? Government position

or fled to Cambodia? I know if I gathered up a bunch of people, and told them

to burn down Bangkok, I would be in jail forever.....

Arisman, sometimes known as the monkey on a rope, turned himself I just a couple of days back so he is enjoying the hospitality of the army right now.

I expect the NACC will want to have a word with him about the company that was set up with his wife to act as some sort of a middle man in the non existent G 2 G deal with China, this may be their opportunity.

[Theoutsider]

This is just for starters today, with a host of other things, I do not care what politics your from you cannot knock this guy.

I kinda think he should be prime minister.

He doesn't need to be a prime minister.

He is laying the foundations now for a better Thailand, and a return to the parliamentary system.

I just hope when they come back, they don't put Thailand in the same s$it as before.

That what's probably going to happen. Again and again and.

[ratcatcher]

Well proclamations are nice, clearly I am in the minority when it comes to understanding the difference between reality and a press release but the Thai judicial system is based on hundreds of years of precedence with a foundation based on Sakdina and one's position in the hierarchy. The legal codifcation of 1805 (Three Seals) is basically made up thousands of scenario, examples on which outcomes could be adjudicated, whereby one's validity was a function of their position in society.

So while proclamation 63/2014 is interesting, it remains challenging to undrstand how a single, simple proclamation can re-jigger a legal system which has existed for a long time, and is tightly knitted into the societal hierarchy.

Interesting post, bringing up the traditional way of doing things. Everything can be looked at and changed if necessary, I am even waiting for the radical Muslims to design a non-lethal stone, perhaps made of silly putty, so that women who have had extramarital sex and are sentenced to a damned good stoning, wont have their heads smashed in, just suffer a bit of embarrassment. After all as the great Dylan once said "Everybody must get stoned".

Michael Palin & John Cleese will understand.

[lomatopo]

Do you not think someone should at least try?

Of course I do.

But surely you understand the difference between making a proclamation, and offering up specific, concrete changes to the Thai judicial system?

I guess my definition of "trying to do something" involves a tad more that issuing a proclamation, and hoping that's good enough.

Edited June 13, 2014 by lomatopo

[thumper101]

Do you not think someone should at least try?

Of course I do.

But surely you understand the difference between making a proclamation, and offering up specific, concrete changes to the Thai judicial system?

I guess my definition of "trying to do something" involves a tad more that issuing a proclamation, and hoping that's good enough.

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

Or did you want all this done in a single day and if it isn't then it is BS????

Yet another anti-Prayuth point of view.

Get a life man.

[lomatopo]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

[kimamey]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

I'd not heard that either but let's hope it happens. Until then at least he's made his intentions clear.

I seem to remember the last government talking about no double standards as well but I don't think it went further than that.

[ginjag]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

Yours is a good idea--go and check back in 3 months. for gods sake stop bashing the bloke.

[WhizBang]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

Perhaps you have been here too long and have lost the ability to hope, and think, that Thailand can indeed change for the better.

Give the General a chance, or at least, the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, I am starting to believe that there is indeed a light at the end of the tunnel.

[djjamie]

That is correct and when one side committed over 90% of the deaths and injuries over the last 6 months, 100% committed voter fraud over the last 12 months and over 90% committed corruption over the last 3 years then one can be guaranteed that the 90% and over will say without a doubt they are being picked on.

I say to them….Don't break they law then.

[Just1Voice]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

Perhaps you have been here too long and have lost the ability to hope, and think, that Thailand can indeed change for the better.

Give the General a chance, or at least, the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, I am starting to believe that there is indeed a light at the end of the tunnel.

Me, too. Then I found it and realized it was just a firefly.

[smutcakes]

Do you not think someone should at least try?

Of course I do.

But surely you understand the difference between making a proclamation, and offering up specific, concrete changes to the Thai judicial system?

I guess my definition of "trying to do something" involves a tad more that issuing a proclamation, and hoping that's good enough.

Of course they should try, they have tried 18 odd times already and also been in power for probably the longest amount of any entity since 1932, but sure this time unlike all the other 17 times will be different.

Look they have managed to work out a 3 trillion infrastructure plan in 3 weeks.

[bangrak]

Well proclamations are nice, clearly I am in the minority when it comes to understanding the difference between reality and a press release but the Thai judicial system is based on hundreds of years of precedence with a foundation based on Sakdina and one's position in the hierarchy. The legal codifcation of 1805 (Three Seals) is basically made up thousands of scenario, examples on which outcomes could be adjudicated, whereby one's validity was a function of their position in society.

So while proclamation 63/2014 is interesting, it remains challenging to undrstand how a single, simple proclamation can re-jigger a legal system which has existed for a long time, and is tightly knitted into the societal hierarchy.

I remember of a great man who succeeded in doing it as advisor H.M. King Rama V, he was Farang, from Belgium, his name was Gustave Rolin-Jacquemyns (and he was made Chow Phya Abhai Raja by H.M. the King)... Difficult, yes, impossible, no! When there is a will, there is a way! So, the question is...

[Local Drunk]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

Perhaps never comes to mind...

[FangFerang]

So you think that the proclamation is the end of it????

Reforms don't start for 3 months... He has already cited that the judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal.

I don't know if it's the beginning or the end, of it?

I didn't realize that reforms wouldn't start for another three months.

I was simply inquiring if there were any details, maybe some ideas about how the "judiciary is to be overhauled to make it more equal"?

Clearly you seem to be aware of this reform/initiative, can you share any detail/links? Or should I check back in three months?

Yours is a good idea--go and check back in 3 months. for gods sake stop bashing the bloke.

Making a law does not change anything, nor issuing a proclamation, nor flaming someone... reasonable doubt is an indication of both history and the general conditions -- no pun intended. Many would like to see a change in the way the judiciary judges cases (red bull heirs, killers off scot-free because of family, and the list is quite long). Few expect any real result. Right now, this instant, if you have money or access to money you walk, if you are poor no one cares if you talk -- and welcome to your chain gang.

Many would like to see that change. Especially the Thais. But none expect it.

Every coup has failed in its goals. The current leader was part of the last failed coup, as well as Suthep and Abhisit. Note the word failed, and previous so as not to believe the current junta is being criticized.

Unfortunately, there is already one precedent. Abhisit "warned" the general about any amnesty. There was no reply from the junta whatsoever. Who is Abhisit to warn the military, when they are so obviously in control? It makes many people wonder...many who do not hate the general or adore Thaksin...and they wonder 'who is controlling the military'?

The problem is that many basic questions are being raised that have no answers at all.

The sound of silence is not reassuring, as Giman and Sarfunfunkel once said.

I really hope we are looking at change, the Thai people deserve that and need it, some desperately. If history is any indicator, we are only seeing cosmetic reforms and empty words.

I hope I am wrong. I really, sincerely hope I am wrong. The history books suggest my hopes are unfounded.

[1plumber]

hope this means an end to "tranfered to an inactive post"

[bangrak]

No double standards, horizontally through the whole spectrum of colours, from white over yellow and red, to black, but also vertically from the 'prai' up to the highest of elites, old and new! To get there, you also need an 'evaluation system' scrutinizing the judges, the public officers, the state attorneys, their actions, their rulings, the execution of the rulings, a big job indeed, but when one truly wants a real Democracy... Oh, and review the ridiculous fines, just keep the numbers, but in Baht of gold, simple. Anyways, first on the list to change (reforms can't go deep and be hard enough there, I'm afraid) remains the R T Police, can that step be taken? Future will tell...

[bangrak]

In times of yore, there were 'the King's Marshalls', the Highest Authority could call in, to correct very grave situations, where Justice had not been able to be served. I'm not speaking of vigilante, or death squad here, it was a very select small team of very respected men of high honour and skills, some even say they still exist.