I believe the sedition part is when he said he/PDRC would remove the caretaker Government and install a peoples council and he would chose the leader and claim sovereignty, if the courts or the Junta failed to remove them from power..

If Suthep does not want to spend time in jail, he has an option to go live with Thaksin. The laws need to be enforced regardless of colors. If the junta claimed being neutral, they need to prosecute him according to the laws. The court trial should not wait for anyone because he is not above the laws.

wake up boy the dsi not the junta..are prosecuting him and others...stop twisting it to suit your last gasp postings..

Maybe you are right but it could be the junta which will get him off. Then we will see what happens when the shit hits the fan. Then again maybe we have to wait another ten years. At least with the Thaksin case the prosecution was completed in a short period of time,and justice was seen to be done.Lets hope we see the same justice metered out in this case.

This is why Thailand is still a mess. Monkeys see monkeys do. If anyone is found guilty, he/she should be prosecuted according to the laws.

Surely you got that wrong! no one can be found guilty unless they ar prosecuted first. Or is this an inquisition, you are guilty till found innocent, The Red Democratic way.

He will delay and delay it until everyone has forgotten what he did to this country. But he will never let thaksin or Yingluck delay anything. Fair is fair.

He will delay and delay it until everyone has forgotten what he did to this country. But he will never let thaksin or Yingluck delay anything. Fair is fair.

".......what he did to this country."

What did he do to this country, except begin the Shinawatra eradication scheme?

This case should be resolved 10 years after the airport case against the yellow skirts is resolved. Justice has never been fast for those who have money in Thailand.

Yes look how long your comic messiah has been on the run, but one day, one day we will see him behind bars exactly were he should be

What, there's an arrest warrant out for John Cleese?

Suthip needs time to find what Either way it really does not matter the crow bar motel is still waiting for him. 3 months 6 Months Either way he will visit it for a long time

Sedition is serious and the charges have foundation

Sorry but old age causing a memory lapse.

What did the red shirt leaders get in 2010 when they did it?

They got a new Govt which they lead and tons of money to steal/skim . . . quite a good result all around

This case should be resolved 10 years after the airport case against the yellow skirts is resolved. Justice has never been fast for those who have money in Thailand.

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This is why Thailand is still a mess. Monkeys see monkeys do. If anyone is found guilty, he/she should be prosecuted according to the laws.

Surely you got that wrong! no one can be found guilty unless they ar prosecuted first. Or is this an inquisition, you are guilty till found innocent, The Red Democratic way.

Seems to be the red way.

In his previous post he had already found Suthep guilty and wanted him prosecuted

I knew PT were trying to change some laws to suit themselves but didn't realize they had already done it.

Wasn't this charge of sedition made by the DSI under the leadership of Tarit, Surapong or was it Chalerm? (could be wrong) therefore it is nothing more than a trumped up, politically motivated, mickey mouse charge whose purpose was to get the PDRC of the streets.

I hope that the UDD red shirts who were calling for the separation also see their sedition charges stick, it will be interesting to see if they are all charged through the public prosecutor, or if they'll all walk.

Not sure about the sedition route, but subversion could be also applied, if you follow the definitions, nobody is arguing about what Suthep and the PDRC's aim's were, it's the methodology he was using and threatened to use, and it is my own opinion that this was one of the main reasons General Prayuth initiated the coup, as Suthep had already given an ultimatum that if the caretaker DPM and the remaining caretaker MP's were not going to resign, he was going to seize control, and do it his way anyway.

I believe that this very threat was enough on its own for the General to proceed with the coup, given that there was a significant amount of red shirts already at another rally within the Capital, the General couldn't afford to take the risk of allowing Suthep to "seize power and control" in this manner, I believe that this is why he called the warring parties in to see if there was grounds to compromise, there was none, neither side was willing to back down/stand down, leaving the General with no option but to step in and rapidly, to prevent a huge outbreak of violence, it was nothing to do with the violence that had been ongoing, if that was the case, the General could have stepped in at any time.

Will Suthep ever see the inside of a courtroom, only time will tell, but the General cannot stop this, otherwise he will no longer be seen as impartial, the protests might be over, and the Thai people might truly be happy, but there's still a lot who would like to see Suthep, Thida, and Juttaporn and co behind bars.

This case should be resolved 10 years after the airport case against the yellow skirts is resolved. Justice has never been fast for those who have money in Thailand.

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I hope that the UDD red shirts who were calling for the separation also see their sedition charges stick, it will be interesting to see if they are all charged through the public prosecutor, or if they'll all walk.

Not sure about the sedition route, but subversion could be also applied, if you follow the definitions, nobody is arguing about what Suthep and the PDRC's aim's were, it's the methodology he was using and threatened to use, and it is my own opinion that this was one of the main reasons General Prayuth initiated the coup, as Suthep had already given an ultimatum that if the caretaker DPM and the remaining caretaker MP's were not going to resign, he was going to seize control, and do it his way anyway.

I believe that this very threat was enough on its own for the General to proceed with the coup, given that there was a significant amount of red shirts already at another rally within the Capital, the General couldn't afford to take the risk of allowing Suthep to "seize power and control" in this manner, I believe that this is why he called the warring parties in to see if there was grounds to compromise, there was none, neither side was willing to back down/stand down, leaving the General with no option but to step in and rapidly, to prevent a huge outbreak of violence, it was nothing to do with the violence that had been ongoing, if that was the case, the General could have stepped in at any time.

Will Suthep ever see the inside of a courtroom, only time will tell, but the General cannot stop this, otherwise he will no longer be seen as impartial, the protests might be over, and the Thai people might truly be happy, but there's still a lot who would like to see Suthep, Thida, and Juttaporn and co behind bars.

Of course it had nothing to do with what PTP were up to and the threatened confrontation between the Red shirts and the PDRC. Trying to pin it all on Suthep is stretching reality too far IMO.

Waste of time and money. Lawyers got to love it, though.

Suthep & Co. will delay each and every step as long as possible, some charges will get stale along the way,

some dropped and some, perhaps, will win defendants a slap on the wrist. Same deal as PAD leaders got.

UDD less adept at this game, but most leaders with some pull weren't exactly worse of after 2010.

Politicians and rich people rarely own up to their actions, surely not in public.

I don't have a problem with people glorifying Suthep and the PDRC's actions, some of it was probably quite

the thing Thailand needed, some not. But these mini blanket amnesties political leaders get after almost any

mayhem - that ought to go.

They all say they're doing it for the greater good, but if so, shouldn't be too high a price for them to take some

measure of responsibility for some of the less applauded actions.

I hope that the UDD red shirts who were calling for the separation also see their sedition charges stick, it will be interesting to see if they are all charged through the public prosecutor, or if they'll all walk.

Not sure about the sedition route, but subversion could be also applied, if you follow the definitions, nobody is arguing about what Suthep and the PDRC's aim's were, it's the methodology he was using and threatened to use, and it is my own opinion that this was one of the main reasons General Prayuth initiated the coup, as Suthep had already given an ultimatum that if the caretaker DPM and the remaining caretaker MP's were not going to resign, he was going to seize control, and do it his way anyway.

I believe that this very threat was enough on its own for the General to proceed with the coup, given that there was a significant amount of red shirts already at another rally within the Capital, the General couldn't afford to take the risk of allowing Suthep to "seize power and control" in this manner, I believe that this is why he called the warring parties in to see if there was grounds to compromise, there was none, neither side was willing to back down/stand down, leaving the General with no option but to step in and rapidly, to prevent a huge outbreak of violence, it was nothing to do with the violence that had been ongoing, if that was the case, the General could have stepped in at any time.

Will Suthep ever see the inside of a courtroom, only time will tell, but the General cannot stop this, otherwise he will no longer be seen as impartial, the protests might be over, and the Thai people might truly be happy, but there's still a lot who would like to see Suthep, Thida, and Juttaporn and co behind bars.

Of course it had nothing to do with what PTP were up to and the threatened confrontation between the Red shirts and the PDRC. Trying to pin it all on Suthep is stretching reality too far IMO.

Yes, you're quite right, the reds with their threats, and the PDRC with theirs are what brought about the Generals actions..It would actually be good to see both sides held accountable, and both sides who are charged with sedition have them stick, as it would show the population that the General, and the Junta mean business, there's no point in admonishing one, and prosecuting the other, it also serves as a deterrent to those who wish to attempt this in the future, but alas, the reality is that I highly doubt that anything will come of these charges long term.

This case should be resolved 10 years after the airport case against the yellow skirts is resolved. Justice has never been fast for those who have money in Thailand.

What's the hurry? Even when it is the guilty rich just do a runner anyway.

I believe the sedition part is when he said he/PDRC would remove the caretaker Government and install a peoples council and he would chose the leader and claim sovereignty, if the courts or the Junta failed to remove them from power..

But the military didn't fail, did they, Fattie? They stepped in and did the right thing.

If Suthep does not want to spend time in jail, he has an option to go live with Thaksin. The laws need to be enforced regardless of colors. If the junta claimed being neutral, they need to prosecute him according to the laws. The court trial should not wait for anyone because he is not above the laws.

wake up boy the dsi not the junta..are prosecuting him and others...stop twisting it to suit your last gasp postings..

Maybe you are right but it could be the junta which will get him off. Then we will see what happens when the shit hits the fan. Then again maybe we have to wait another ten years. At least with the Thaksin case the prosecution was completed in a short period of time,and justice was seen to be done.Lets hope we see the same justice metered out in this case.

Justice was not seen to be done. On the contrary, the perp was allowed to flee the country.

And the years quietly roll by, postponement after postponement. Will he ever see the inside of a jail? These people have immunity don't they?

I believe the sedition part is when he said he/PDRC would remove the caretaker Government and install a peoples council and he would chose the leader and claim sovereignty, if the courts or the Junta failed to remove them from power..

But the military didn't fail, did they, Fattie? They stepped in and did the right thing.

The key part is in that he "said" as in past tense, as in I was actually referring to the time when he was making these statements about seizing power, replacing the caretakers with his peoples council, and he would choose the leader, which is classed more as subversions, rather than Sedition, but what's a play on words between the powers that be? But you're right, they eventually had to step in, and I should have been more careful in my choice of words, as at that time, they were still just the "Army" and not the Junta They stopped being failures at that point

Not the Thaksin. Don't worry, S.C.S. (Supreme Citizen Suthep). Go home and have your illegal migrant workers cut some more rubber trees and snatch a few more logs of teak, and we will exonerate you. Not the Thaksin. It's okay your guards tortured a man -- at your protest site -- then tied him up and threw him in a river to die. Not the Thaksin. It's okay a man was shot and put into a coma in front of his pregnant wife for desecrating Sacred Traffic Cones. Not the Thaksin. It's okay your court case about previous charges was not, ahem, accelerated (of course four years is a proper speed for due process). Not the Thaksin.

Yeah.........right.........all is well, and all manner of things will be well -- Just like TS Eliot said!

The only thing that surprises me on this thread,is that Piichai has not commented something about Yingluck's handbag yet.

If Suthep does not want to spend time in jail, he has an option to go live with Thaksin. The laws need to be enforced regardless of colors. If the junta claimed being neutral, they need to prosecute him according to the laws. The court trial should not wait for anyone because he is not above the laws.

Of course it should.

I wonder when we will see Plodprasop facing the judges on the long delayed charges of exporting endangered species ?

But hay, I see you have found Suthep guilty already without a trial.

As you are such an astute judge how do you judge Thaksin and the red leaders from 2010 ?

stickyrice was talking about neutrality and accountability, and you diverted the issue without answering it, which is intellectual cowardice. Both sides are dirty. All dirty sides should be ousted.

If Suthep does not want to spend time in jail, he has an option to go live with Thaksin. The laws need to be enforced regardless of colors. If the junta claimed being neutral, they need to prosecute him according to the laws. The court trial should not wait for anyone because he is not above the laws.

Of course it should.

I wonder when we will see Plodprasop facing the judges on the long delayed charges of exporting endangered species ?

But hay, I see you have found Suthep guilty already without a trial.

As you are such an astute judge how do you judge Thaksin and the red leaders from 2010 ?

stickyrice was talking about neutrality and accountability, and you diverted the issue without answering it, which is intellectual cowardice. Both sides are dirty. All dirty sides should be ousted.

Get real. This is Thailand, not Utopia.

This is all just high theatre for the masses.

Suthep and his group are actually more likely to receive some kind of award for their persistence in helping to bring down the Thaksin regime.

Hope not. The coup shows a more or less even hand or all hell breaks loose. And that is certainly not in the best interests of Thailand. Lawbreakers answer for their deeds, of whichever political leaning, or the whole reasoning for the coup falls apart.

This is why Thailand is still a mess. Monkeys see monkeys do. If anyone is found guilty, he/she should be prosecuted according to the laws.

Surely you got that wrong! no one can be found guilty unless they ar prosecuted first. Or is this an inquisition, you are guilty till found innocent, The Red Democratic way.

Seems to be the red way.

In his previous post he had already found Suthep guilty and wanted him prosecuted

I knew PT were trying to change some laws to suit themselves but didn't realize they had already done it.

The statements made by Suthep were blatantly seditious. You are saying "Well, we have the quotes, the smoking guns, and yes the corpse and weapon with his fingerprints....but he;s not really guilty until a judge decides". What rubbish. The law is an ass -- as Shakespeare said. I will laugh if a quote from the Bard gets redacted. Then the arguments will be...'well -- it was sedition, but the other side had it coming'...and that way lies madness....saying the imaginary moral high ground lets a minority impose their will on a majority. That denies the need, the enforcement, or the importance of law. Well, the next argument goes, "I don't care because I hate the other side". This is obvious. Especially the "I don't care" part. The junta is not a vindication, it is a symptom of a disease that neither Thaksin nor Suthep created.

This social malaria has been around since before all of us posting on TVF were born.

Siamese cat got your tongue? -- can you even address a single accusation filed against Suthep without devolving to a an anti-red rant? No. You are a world cup punter in a real game, where people's lives are at stake, and you love the camaraderie of confusion and the fake protection of a military who could care less of you ceased to exist.

You are not Thai.

If Suthep does not want to spend time in jail, he has an option to go live with Thaksin. The laws need to be enforced regardless of colors. If the junta claimed being neutral, they need to prosecute him according to the laws. The court trial should not wait for anyone because he is not above the laws.

Of course it should.

I wonder when we will see Plodprasop facing the judges on the long delayed charges of exporting endangered species ?

But hay, I see you have found Suthep guilty already without a trial.

As you are such an astute judge how do you judge Thaksin and the red leaders from 2010 ?

stickyrice was talking about neutrality and accountability, and you diverted the issue without answering it, which is intellectual cowardice. Both sides are dirty. All dirty sides should be ousted.

Get real. This is Thailand, not Utopia.

Indeed. And yet, some people seem to think that post-coup we're heading that way...

Wow. This thread was very funny. There are no reds on here. There are no yellows on here.

(Well, there are suddenly a handful of Thai yellows posing as ferang with Thainglish, which is hilarious).

We are ferang, and legally excluded from being silly reds or ranting yellows...but the pretend game keeps going on.

The Thaksin regime is never going to be gone. There is too much money, and this is Thailand. The yellow regime is never going to be gone. There is too much money, and this is Thailand.

The two sides refuse to negotiate. Wait three to five years for the next coup. Repeat rants. Then wait three to five years for the next coup. Repeat rants.

Thai politics is a carnival sideshow. Everyone knows it. Everyone.

We are...entertaining ourselves, nothing more. Gods, some even quote posts made two years ago by such-and-such...

We are entertaining ourselves.

Wow. This thread was very funny. There are no reds on here. There are no yellows on here.

(Well, there are suddenly a handful of Thai yellows posing as ferang with Thainglish, which is hilarious).

We are ferang, and legally excluded from being silly reds or ranting yellows...but the pretend game keeps going on.

The Thaksin regime is never going to be gone. There is too much money, and this is Thailand. The yellow regime is never going to be gone. There is too much money, and this is Thailand.

The two sides refuse to negotiate. Wait three to five years for the next coup. Repeat rants. Then wait three to five years for the next coup. Repeat rants.

Thai politics is a carnival sideshow. Everyone knows it. Everyone.

We are...entertaining ourselves, nothing more. Gods, some even quote posts made two years ago by such-and-such...

We are entertaining ourselves.

Off course, that is all it is. Without the entertainment factor most of the posts would be insufferable. And once in a while there is a remarkably good post to find. And once in a while there is a post that is so ridiculous that even head shaking would be too much and it is good fun. And once in a while there is a really hilarious quote and it was all worth the while.

Otherwise, this forum is absolutely insignificant and the idea that through this forum specifically yellow shirt supporters are somehow involved or interwoven with the coup (as some people insinuated in another thread some time ago) is completely out of reality.

So, all you brownsorryyellow shirt supporters. Have your party as long as it lasts. I am enjoying it, too (sort of).