US downgrade only a short-term impact: FTI

[climbertrev1]

Simply unbelievable but predictable. They have been downgraded due to their own failure to even try to comply and they dismiss this with a shrug and the self righteous conviction that they will be able to talk their way out of this.

If it did not get accepted at Tier 2 why should they think they can do better this time.

They are where they truly belong owing to the complete failure to demonstrate any form off compliance

And they will pay the price.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/25/government-uk-retailers-ordered-improve-human-rights

It will not only be government pushing for sanctions either. NGO's and individuals will also be lobbying government to not backslide on this issue.

[German Viking]

When I tried to talk to my wife about people trafficing and slavery, she dismissed it as being propaganda against the junta and the international community know nothing about Thailand. I guess it is ingrained in them, if not from birth, certainly from the time they are old enough to stand in front of the flag and sing the national anthem every morning at school. A lost cause I fear.

I had the same impression I spoke the last days with several thai ppl about this slavery case.

Most answers: "I having my own problems", this is not my business", "this is only small percentage" or "there is still no evidence etc. bla bla bla.

In some cases I digged deaper and they got angry.

After a lot of this ignorant answers, I got angry too and told them, the most of the thai ppl don't deserve what Mr. Prayuth doo.

Go back to the chaos again and go to hell.

They are brainwashed from the childhood, in the school and TV.

[German Viking]

While the US breaks and bends every conceivable moral code there is, it arrogantly putting the squeeze on Thailand....... As an American, I resent very much the antics of the US government. Of course, I don't condone the shady things that ocurr in Thailand, but the US would be well advised to clean up its own act.

I agree with you, but we talking 2 different subjects.

Somebody have to publish and to punish cases like this, but should first clean up the own yard.

The problem is, maybe then is nobody left who throwing the first stone.

[German Viking]

While the US breaks and bends every conceivable moral code there is, it arrogantly putting the squeeze on Thailand....... As an American, I resent very much the antics of the US government. Of course, I don't condone the shady things that ocurr in Thailand, but the US would be well advised to clean up its own act.

Isn't it a code of colour identification, worldwide? Or, religious and historical hatred interpretation, worldwide? I believe it is: Putting my head on the line here.

I do agree with some stature in the bending of codes you mention. I myself , as a Brit, lived in Michigan for 1 year. I was advised not to go into 8 mile. I did, of course, venture forth in my GrandAm company car, to get to the FOX. I knew not my way around, nor where to park, but found a place about 1/2Km from the theater. It was called 'Brush Street'.

As soon as I got out of the car, I was surrounded by blacks asking for money to 'mind my car'. I obliged, of course, as I like my teeth. On my way to through the walk to the theatre, I was approached countless times, by blacks, asking if I wanted to 'buy something for the show, maaan.' I don't do drugs.

I enjoyed the concert, and returned to my car. The same guys wanted more money for 'we'z been mindin' your car, maan.' I duly gave the 40 bucks left in my wallet.

I got to work next day, to an applause of laughter. My boss said you should have been shot! You car would have been rippen apart in seconds. I'm glad they found it funny.

I had spoken to the black guys next to my car, when I got back to it, and they recognised I was not American. I asked them about their plight, and we all shook hands and they pointed me in the right direction back to 16 mile.

What I learnt from that experience was that human nature is generally kind, if one understands one's neighbour.

Thailand does not understand Laos, never mind the UK or USA. Thailand has one agenda. Itself - and stuff everybody else who does not understand the weirdness of Thainess.

There is no such thing as Thainess. It's an aged old philosophy lost in the ghosts of medieval past. Excuses for Thainess are made nowadays.... but they only include corruption and selfishness.

not more to say

[German Viking]

While the US breaks and bends every conceivable moral code there is, it arrogantly putting the squeeze on Thailand....... As an American, I resent very much the antics of the US government. Of course, I don't condone the shady things that ocurr in Thailand, but the US would be well advised to clean up its own act.

Being American doesn't make your point any more valid or interesting.

If Thailand wants to play the international economy game, Thailand needs to play by the rules or face trouble.

The USA wears the pants in this economic relationship. If Thailand was so confident in its ability to exist without any significant economic ties to the USA, surely, knowing the general arrogance of the Thai elite, they would simply have cut off economic ties.

So, your sentiment is a bit naive, I fear.

The USA and Japan have more or less made Thailand the 'recently industrialized' country it is today.

Thailand has done little of that significance for any country.

Thailand is the baby. USA and Japan are momma and dadda.

In my opinion is this downgrading of thailand only a show for the worldwide gallery.

USA could'nt continue to downgrade only other countries and let Thailand run again unpunished away.

I think this downgrading will not lasting more as 2 - 3 month, then thailand will be upgraded again for any improvment

[German Viking]

Anyone want to bet that Thailand remains Tier 3 next year?

Yes I bed against.

[German Viking]

All those guys commenting and bashing, do you buy foods from CP, Tesco, Walmart?

Then you are as guilty as those who use slaves, as you buy the result of that slavery!

I stopped buying shrimps, but for health reasons, don't like antibiotics in my food.

If you want to stop buying those products, have a look at what you buy, most shrimp, fish, chicken, eggs, pork comes from CP, a multinational with factories in 12 countries all over the world. CP UK is a well-known subsidiary. CP products are sold all over the world, 5 continents.

So use your consumer power and refuse to buy those products, consumers decide if CP can continue, grow or has to size down.

The antibiotics are not the only problems in shrimp and others farms the feeding Hormons.

I spoke not so long time ago with a shrimp farmer again ,I know him for over 10 years and since this time I don't eating shrimps anymore.

A simple calculation in farming shrimps is feeding hormons let the shrimps growing in the same time like without hormons to the double size.

1 Kg double size about the double prize per kg.

Investment about 30% more in fodder.

Be careful down eating too much shrimps, you can getting boobs or other problems.

[German Viking]

"Suchart Chantaranakarach said the downgrade will affect only those selling products under the “Made in Thailand” label."

It just continues in a downward spiral, does it not?

Unbelievable statement!

What's next on the unscrupulous agenda? A change of brands and labels, with no mention of source?

Thainess is losing its Thainess, in all matter of ways. Or, maybe, it has totally lost it, and Thainess does not exist anymore unless the word corruption is explicitly involved.

Well I hate to admit it but you are right. Corruption has been growing and Thainess is slowly being replaced by commercialism.

The industry has been aware that they have been perceived to be big time in the inhumane treatment of their crews. All of a sudden when even a hint that it might hurt their pocketbooks shows up they decide to prove it wrong. Why not 5 years ago?

It's such a shame. Yet, wasn't Thainess always and in anyways complimentary to Thai women?

I don't recall Thainess ever being associated with Thai males. I may well be wrong, not mentioning him who is/was a statute for liberty here, for whom I hold admiration.

I personally believe the word 'Thainess' is lost in any translation, even within Thai. It is an adage. It's gone.

I'd love a recent example of Thainess, to show me nothing corrupt was involved, and it was a pure act of true Dhamma, Pali and recent belief in such; and that it involved no gain.

This is a general problem our world is full of selfishness, cheaters and lack of honour.

Today almost nobody knows what is a "word of honour".

Over 20 years ago, I could buy a second hand car with a hand shake, this is long gone.

Today you have to read many times a contract to be sure there is not a hidden hook.

[englishoak]

Simply unbelievable but predictable. They have been downgraded due to their own failure to even try to comply and they dismiss this with a shrug and the self righteous conviction that they will be able to talk their way out of this.

If it did not get accepted at Tier 2 why should they think they can do better this time.

They are where they truly belong owing to the complete failure to demonstrate any form off compliance

And they will pay the price.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/25/government-uk-retailers-ordered-improve-human-rights

It will not only be government pushing for sanctions either. NGO's and individuals will also be lobbying government to not backslide on this issue.

Yup the pressure is already pushing on retailers to take responsibility here.

"Consumers are increasingly aware of these issues and concerned about them. As a result of this public interest, we have an opportunity to highlight those companies taking positive action and encourage others to make a real difference."

All companies, including those in the retail sector, need to make sure they are giving the right information to their customers and are being open about their supply chains. Shoppers more than ever want to know how what they buy got from the factory to the shelf. They are also not afraid to speak up or vote with their feet if they think those producing their goods are being abused or exploited.

"Businesses must be aware that ethical sourcing and transparency about their supply chains must be part of their policy, not an add-on. They ignore consumer concerns at their peril and even run the risk of going out of business."

This isnt just going to go away, tescos and the like will have to either go source from other ethical options or put pressure on their own suppliers.. The first option is bad for Thailand with no revenue

and the second will cost Thailand a bit in profits but in the long run good for revenue

The question is will Thailand see the long game sense in sorting it out or kill the golden goose ?

[German Viking]

You just can't make this up. It's like they have a desperate need for the status quo to remain the same. Can not, will not, must not change. Change is bad. And the statements they make to justify their inactivity are simply inane. On top of that, I'm pretty sure they even believe themselves the nonsense du jour they are spouting. Of course, due to Short Attention Span Syndrome, they could very well come out with the exact opposite tomorrow, and believe it, too.

It must be something in the water...God bless them... lloitine

I left my shoes in the Bastille, after 25 years of making them.

I never felt the need to return, nor did I regret change.

Regards,

Modern Defarge.

Oh, you was also there I was thinking after 14. July 1789

and the wipeout of almost all aristocrates on the Schafott(Scaffold better know as Guillotine) there was nobody left.

Then the revolutionists killed each other like Robespierre, or Danton and a lot of others.

The question is why? This is all about power and power mean money.

Our world is ruled by international capital and the most politicians are only puppets on a string.

The ppl behind this capital give a damn about some slaves as long they make enough profit.

Bad what should we do!??

Vive la Revolution!!???

.

[German Viking]

Simple solution to the problem have the Thai Navy stop and board all fishing vessels check to to see if paperwork in order and crew are legal if not legal arrest the Captain take boat and crew to shore off load and sell catch divide among crew send crew back to home country Captain goes to jail owner of boat gets arrested too sell boat money goes to Navy for operation. It may take a few arrests but I bet it stops.

I think you did not read the posts in another forum about this case.

The Thai Navy have no legal power out of the 12 sm zone.

This fishing boats operate out of this zone and they use legal boats and staff to transport the fish to the ports(no evidence).

You can only catch them with illegal action, anyway I would do it, I give damn.

You can not fight anybody who don't keeping any rules, then you will loose the war.

But there is still a big risk, when you try to catch them out of them 12 sm, in the worst case they will try wipe the evidences over board.

Anyway I would have a try to stop these slave work, this would save on the end much more lifes.

[Thai at Heart]

Simply unbelievable but predictable. They have been downgraded due to their own failure to even try to comply and they dismiss this with a shrug and the self righteous conviction that they will be able to talk their way out of this.

If it did not get accepted at Tier 2 why should they think they can do better this time.

They are where they truly belong owing to the complete failure to demonstrate any form off compliance

And they will pay the price.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/25/government-uk-retailers-ordered-improve-human-rights

It will not only be government pushing for sanctions either. NGO's and individuals will also be lobbying government to not backslide on this issue.

Yup the pressure is already pushing on retailers to take responsibility here.

"Consumers are increasingly aware of these issues and concerned about them. As a result of this public interest, we have an opportunity to highlight those companies taking positive action and encourage others to make a real difference."

All companies, including those in the retail sector, need to make sure they are giving the right information to their customers and are being open about their supply chains. Shoppers more than ever want to know how what they buy got from the factory to the shelf. They are also not afraid to speak up or vote with their feet if they think those producing their goods are being abused or exploited.

"Businesses must be aware that ethical sourcing and transparency about their supply chains must be part of their policy, not an add-on. They ignore consumer concerns at their peril and even run the risk of going out of business."

This isnt just going to go away, tescos and the like will have to either go source from other ethical options or put pressure on their own suppliers.. The first option is bad for Thailand with no revenue

and the second will cost Thailand a bit in profits but in the long run good for revenue

The question is will Thailand see the long game sense in sorting it out or kill the golden goose ?

If its been found out now, the Thais must have known about it all along.

The issue now, is will they fix it or will they hide it? What is going to be the next step.

I think they will try to fix it, but I doubt it will be as easy as the Thais think. If the USA is smart they will help the Thais to achieve the aim. A slavr free fishing industry can not be an impossibility.