Get off your high horse, America, we do not need a ride: Thai opinion

[thailiketoo]

Thanks for that. I had it all wrong. I didn't see as you wrote, "America's flawed political system" and the bashing of said system. Thanks for explaining that.

You do understand that during a discussion not every post will be a direct response to the Op and that it is often necessary to broaden the discussion,

And my post was not totally negative. I said they had the best system of government with the worst selection process. I think you will find many Americans agree that there is too much money involved with the elections and that the return on the investment is undemocratic.

The OP is a total American bash though, so I would say I am right on topic.

I was referring to post #412.

[canuckamuck]

Well OK, I am easily confused. but in #417 it really seemed you were talking to me.

Mai ben rai

[thailiketoo]

Well OK, I am easily confused. but in #417 it really seemed you were talking to me.

Mai ben rai

Ya I was but I thought he was talking about you. Forgive me if I was wrong.

[ravip]

Thailand really does suffer from delusions of grandeur….its laughable one of the most corrupt country’s in se asia, a terrible human rights record even on its own people, a system that accepts and promotes prostitution of all genders etc…Thailand the hub of 3^rd world laughs

... and so many dying to come and settle down in Thailand.

With all the above, there must be something better in Thailand than back home.

[NeverSure]

-snip- if you will recall the economic "depression" (according to VP hopeful Sarah Palin) that had just halved most working Americans retirement accounts.

Dude, I made more money off that than at any time during my life. The price of stocks fell to about 1/2 what they were just months before.

Smart money knew the companies were still good if they had good companies in their portfolios. With their stocks at 1/2 price it was like a fire sale. I've never seen so many bargains based on assets including patents and copyrights, or PE ratios.

I bought and bought at the bottom and on the way back up. Some might call it dollar cost averaging, but I called it pigging out at the trough. The same with housing. I'll probably never see such a great opportunity to buy so much cheaply in my lifetime.

The Dow has since fully recovered and even set new highs.

Lost half your retirement, did you? Panic and go to cash like so many other lemmings, did you?

Dude? I think thats an expression best left to guys half your TV age.

To play along, I had moved largely to cash prior to the economic crisis because I am fiscally conservative.

Your post is ridiculous for several reasons, not the least of which is that you appear to be denying a crisis occurred and Americans suffered.

Secondly, where exactly was your investment money located for this mass purchasing immediately prior to the crash? If it was already in investments, then its value was likely halved along with many other Americans.

Ofcourse, the last few years have been great for investors...Obama and Geitner really got that right, didn't they.

First, if you have too much of your investments in one place and lose it all, that will be your fault. Even within a 401k I was given a great number of options how to distribute it from mutual funds to money market cash. There was never a reason, even within that one retirement account to take too much risk.

Second, any time the stock market took a dive I would buy. I could do that because not nearly all of my assets were in stocks, or in a 401k. America is the world's leader in technology and I didn't believe that Microsoft or Google were going away any time soon just because the stock prices dropped. I believed that when the stock prices of really good companies dropped it was simply a buying opportunity.

So no, and no. It's none of your business where my investments were before the crash. I guess you don't know that when some things go down, other defensive things go up. Two things are key: Diversify, and don't panic and unload at the bottom. I would have a lot less money today if stocks and real estate hadn't crashed, giving me buying opportunities.

I don't expect you to understand.

[Jim walker]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

[iphad]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

[maxme]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

To me it sounds like despite Thailand is hugely dependent on foreign investments, the authorities think they are beyond approach and can get away with anything they do whilst the rest of the world has to play by the rules.

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Edited July 2, 2014 by maxme

[maxme]

Big words coming from a woman whose country doesn't even have a government.

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Governments are overrated

Yeah? So are dictators.

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[animatic]

Then why ever morning at the American Embassy their are long lines of people who want to come to this country. Answer that. We must be doing something right.

Because, as my wife realized after 3 weeks in USA:

They don't KNOW where they are actually trying to go, just believing some fantasy that gets passed around

that it is the land of milk and honey, that will solve all their problems...

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Edited July 2, 2014 by animatic

[Morch]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

Calling Pornpimol Kanchanalak (aka Pauline) a journalist, or imagining her writing necessarily represent general "Thai

Opinion" is a bit over the top for anyone who knows what she's about. A few links were provided earlier on this topic.

[iphad]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

To me it sounds like despite Thailand is hugely dependent on foreign investments, the authorities think they are beyond approach and can get away with anything they do whilst the rest of the world has to play by the rules.

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probably every country is dependent on foreign investments...for sure trade anyways.

I don't believe .(.but my opinion ) that the Military is ignorant of the world's opinion but as to the rest of the world playing by the rules I'm sure they are not as naive as you.

Thailand Military Coup is a coup...

Egypt Military Coup won't be defined as a coup

Ukraine Coup supported by US is called democracy

if these are the rules you are talking about I can see where you think Thailand won't play by these rules but the rest of the world does.

People are making a mountain out of a molehill from this OP that it is Thai people...or the Thai military telling America to get off it's high horse.

[iphad]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

Calling Pornpimol Kanchanalak (aka Pauline) a journalist, or imagining her writing necessarily represent general "Thai

Opinion" is a bit over the top for anyone who knows what she's about. A few links were provided earlier on this topic.

I don't know Pornpimol Kanchanalak but I see she has many articles on "The Nation" so I was guessing she's a journalist...maybe not a good one but that's beside the point.

I don't use any of her comments or opinions supporting any debates/arguments I am involved in... 555

[maxme]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

To me it sounds like despite Thailand is hugely dependent on foreign investments, the authorities think they are beyond approach and can get away with anything they do whilst the rest of the world has to play by the rules.

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probably every country is dependent on foreign investments...for sure trade anyways.

I don't believe .(.but my opinion ) that the Military is ignorant of the world's opinion but as to the rest of the world playing by the rules I'm sure they are not as naive as you.

Thailand Military Coup is a coup...

Egypt Military Coup won't be defined as a coup

Ukraine Coup supported by US is called democracy

if these are the rules you are talking about I can see where you think Thailand won't play by these rules but the rest of the world does.

People are making a mountain out of a molehill from this OP that it is Thai people...or the Thai military telling America to get off it's high horse.

"Not as naive as you are" - please elaborate

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Edited July 2, 2014 by maxme

[iphad]

Maxme

yes I am probably more naive than you...but since you made the statement that the authorities in Thailand.(.I presume you mean the Thai government ) are beyond approach & can do anything they want while the rest of the World has to play by the Rules.

What Rules are these?

What Rules do the rest of the World follow?

How is Thailand not following the Rules you deem the rest of the World are following.?

Do you object to the Thailand Coup?

Do you object to the loss of Democracy in Thailand.?

I think you need to elaborate I can only guess what you are thinking.

[maxme]

Maxme

yes I am probably more naive than you...but since you made the statement that the authorities in Thailand.(.I presume you mean the Thai government ) are beyond approach & can do anything they want while the rest of the World has to play by the Rules.

What Rules are these?

What Rules do the rest of the World follow?

How is Thailand not following the Rules you deem the rest of the World are following.?

Do you object to the Thailand Coup?

Do you object to the loss of Democracy in Thailand.?

I think you need to elaborate I can only guess what you are thinking.

So you made that statement without knowing what I meant. Sensible of you.

To compare coup in Thailand with then one in Egypt is like comparing apples and oranges. This coup has nothing to do with the people. Same like the previous 17 coups.

Its only a transfer case between the elites. Being a Thai, which I presume you are, I can see why you would defend what you think is righteous but being the outsider that I it's easier to see through the BS. It's not only about defending the coup.

For example why is it that foreigners have to follow the copyright and trademark law to the letter in Thailand while a few locals can set up a cafe called Starback right next to one of the Starbucks branches without consequences?

How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?

There is a reason foreigners avoid talking to some locals about certain topics. Once you start treating people equally and I don't just mean westerners, then people talk about this country and its people with more respect.

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[farang000999]

[iphad]

Maxme

yes I am probably more naive than you...but since you made the statement that the authorities in Thailand.(.I presume you mean the Thai government ) are beyond approach & can do anything they want while the rest of the World has to play by the Rules.

What Rules are these?

What Rules do the rest of the World follow?

How is Thailand not following the Rules you deem the rest of the World are following.?

Do you object to the Thailand Coup?

Do you object to the loss of Democracy in Thailand.?

I think you need to elaborate I can only guess what you are thinking.

So you made that statement without knowing what I meant. Sensible of you.

To compare coup in Thailand with then one in Egypt is like comparing apples and oranges. This coup has nothing to do with the people. Same like the previous 17 coups.

Its only a transfer case between the elites. Being a Thai, which I presume you are, I can see why you would defend what you think is righteous but being the outsider that I it's easier to see through the BS. It's not only about defending the coup.

For example why is it that foreigners have to follow the copyright and trademark law to the letter in Thailand while a few locals can set up a cafe called Starback right next to one of the Starbucks branches without consequences?

How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?

There is a reason foreigners avoid talking to some locals about certain topics. Once you start treating people equally and I don't just mean westerners, then people talk about this country and its people with more respect.

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Good points did make me think a little.

First ..I am not Thai....but I am not American either.

re. apples to oranges & coups.....generally I don't support coups...and in the particular case of Thailand I probably supported the previous government because it was democratically elected albeit maybe flawed but that's how things are...not every democratic government truely represents the people.

Seeing the months of demonstrations, then the Military takeover I have changed my mind & now think it's a good,certainly feels better in Bkk but am open to change again as time goes on.

The coup in Egypt is far worse so to me... it's still a coup but the results are different.

"As the Wall Street Journal’s Adam Entous explains, “Washington has long viewed its military ties with Cairo, backed by more than $40 billion in military aid since 1948 along with annual military exercises and extensive officer exchanges, as an anchor of one of its most important relationships in the Arab world.”

Washington’s military aid program to the country—surpassed only by aid to Israel—is a source of handsome profits to US military contractors. Every year US taxpayers fork over $1.3 billion to the Egyptian military to submit large orders for weaponry and equipment to US arms manufacturers."

Accordingly, Sisi’s brutal rise to power is tolerated by Western governments and his undemocratic and illiberal methods passed over in near silence by the Western media, because he can be counted on to maintain Egypt as a reliable agent of US influence in the Arab world, provide valuable services to the US military, and fatten the bottom lines of US arms manufacturers with weapons orders. http://www.globalresearch.ca/egypts-illegitimate-president-abdel-fattah-el-sisi/5384112

I'm weak on Thailand copyright laws.... but actually I don't see an issue between Starbucks & Star back coffee shops next to each other..in the photo I checked I definitely can see the difference so if I was at that location I would know which was Starbucks.

but to Thai law.... "Thailand law protects the rights of owners of copyrights, trademarks and patents. The violation of intellectual property is a criminal offense and violating parties may be subject to prison sentences or fines. Disputes over intellectual property are heard in the Court of Intellectual Property and International Trade". http://www.siamtrademark.com/copyright.html

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

re. your last point of talking sensitive issues to Thai people..well I could see being in the US & talking bad about US government & foreign policy to Americans...depending on the crowd..it might not go over well either.

But I can also say...that if I lived in the US..I wouldn't be speaking bad about the US..it's called respect.

It appears to me that the rules of the World...are really about the Rules of the US...if the US government says Thailand has a coup & Egypt's isn't called a coup...Those are the Rules.

Edited July 3, 2014 by iphad

[northernjohn]

Who needs America we are the Thai Junta and when we talk the world listens and takes notice and in Thailand everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the other media news and TV and Thai people only want to hear good and great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever army blokes

Thxs jim ....but somehow I don't think you are from within or represent the Thai Junta..

but I think what you meant to say if I can try to interpret what I perceive as your attempted sarcasm

"Who needs Thailand, we are the US & when we talk the world better listen & take notice because in the US everyone loves us because we have suppressed all the media news & TV & the American people only want to hear good & great propaganda that we supply in abundance from the clever US government".

Your attempt at trying to belittle the Thai military although I'm sure funny to some & some nodding in agreement..to me makes you look foolish.

If you are reacting to the OP..it was a journalist that said it

.it even had "Thai Opinion" in the title....you know, imagine what Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh would say about Thailand.

To me it sounds like despite Thailand is hugely dependent on foreign investments, the authorities think they are beyond approach and can get away with anything they do whilst the rest of the world has to play by the rules.

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We are lucky that any thing they want is beneficial to Thailand.

Unlike the previous governments.

[maxme]

Maxme

yes I am probably more naive than you...but since you made the statement that the authorities in Thailand.(.I presume you mean the Thai government ) are beyond approach & can do anything they want while the rest of the World has to play by the Rules.

What Rules are these?

What Rules do the rest of the World follow?

How is Thailand not following the Rules you deem the rest of the World are following.?

Do you object to the Thailand Coup?

Do you object to the loss of Democracy in Thailand.?

I think you need to elaborate I can only guess what you are thinking.

So you made that statement without knowing what I meant. Sensible of you.

To compare coup in Thailand with then one in Egypt is like comparing apples and oranges. This coup has nothing to do with the people. Same like the previous 17 coups.

Its only a transfer case between the elites. Being a Thai, which I presume you are, I can see why you would defend what you think is righteous but being the outsider that I it's easier to see through the BS. It's not only about defending the coup.

For example why is it that foreigners have to follow the copyright and trademark law to the letter in Thailand while a few locals can set up a cafe called Starback right next to one of the Starbucks branches without consequences?

How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?

There is a reason foreigners avoid talking to some locals about certain topics. Once you start treating people equally and I don't just mean westerners, then people talk about this country and its people with more respect.

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Good points did make me think a little.

First ..I am not Thai....but I am not American either.

re. apples to oranges & coups.....generally I don't support coups...and in the particular case of Thailand I probably supported the previous government because it was democratically elected albeit maybe flawed but that's how things are...not every democratic government truely represents the people.

Seeing the months of demonstrations, then the Military takeover I have changed my mind & now think it's a good,certainly feels better in Bkk but am open to change again as time goes on.

The coup in Egypt is far worse so to me... it's still a coup but the results are different.

"As the Wall Street Journal’s Adam Entous explains, “Washington has long viewed its military ties with Cairo, backed by more than $40 billion in military aid since 1948 along with annual military exercises and extensive officer exchanges, as an anchor of one of its most important relationships in the Arab world.”

Washington’s military aid program to the country—surpassed only by aid to Israel—is a source of handsome profits to US military contractors. Every year US taxpayers fork over $1.3 billion to the Egyptian military to submit large orders for weaponry and equipment to US arms manufacturers."

Accordingly, Sisi’s brutal rise to power is tolerated by Western governments and his undemocratic and illiberal methods passed over in near silence by the Western media, because he can be counted on to maintain Egypt as a reliable agent of US influence in the Arab world, provide valuable services to the US military, and fatten the bottom lines of US arms manufacturers with weapons orders. http://www.globalresearch.ca/egypts-illegitimate-president-abdel-fattah-el-sisi/5384112

I'm weak on Thailand copyright laws.... but actually I don't see an issue between Starbucks & Star back coffee shops next to each other..in the photo I checked I definitely can see the difference so if I was at that location I would know which was Starbucks.

but to Thai law.... "Thailand law protects the rights of owners of copyrights, trademarks and patents. The violation of intellectual property is a criminal offense and violating parties may be subject to prison sentences or fines. Disputes over intellectual property are heard in the Court of Intellectual Property and International Trade". http://www.siamtrademark.com/copyright.html

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

re. your last point of talking sensitive issues to Thai people..well I could see being in the US & talking bad about US government & foreign policy to Americans...depending on the crowd..it might not go over well either.

But I can also say...that if I lived in the US..I wouldn't be speaking bad about the US..it's called respect.

It appears to me that the rules of the World...are really about the Rules of the US...if the US government says Thailand has a coup & Egypt's isn't called a coup...Those are the Rules.

Yet the reason for these draconian rules against foreigners is that they think they have been treated unfairly, like with visas etc.

And even the EU has made sever complaints against these rules so this issue doesn't revolve only the US but other countries as well.

Again westerners are concerned about the instability coups bring. They didnt make any demands just expresses concerns. Or do you think that should be deemed as illegal as well?

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Edited July 3, 2014 by maxme

[cardinalblue]

Canuck...

It's flawed because American people choose a republican or a democrat on the ballot? You make it sound like there are only two candidates on a ballot...

In Obama's first term he was the last name on the ballot of eight different party candidates...libertarian green socialist independent whatever you even write in a name if you want...plenty of choices as you say to research who you want to vote for...

Be clear there are other parties and other names on the ballot...just like cereal, hotels, beer or shoes, people get to choose who or what they want...if you want to criticize the impact or effectiveness of marketing...so be it...I guess you are not big on capitalism also...

My guess is Canada's political structure and process are probably very similar even though ideologies and belief systems are not...

CB

[canuckamuck]

Canuck...

It's flawed because American people choose a republican or a democrat on the ballot? You make it sound like there are only two candidates on a ballot...

In Obama's first term he was the last name on the ballot of eight different party candidates...libertarian green socialist independent whatever you even write in a name if you want...plenty of choices as you say to research who you want to vote for...

Be clear there are other parties and other names on the ballot...just like cereal, hotels, beer or shoes, people get to choose who or what they want...if you want to criticize the impact or effectiveness of marketing...so be it...I guess you are not big on capitalism also...

My guess is Canada's political structure and process are probably very similar even though ideologies and belief systems are not...

CB

No we are very different, the main thing being money spent. Last election the campaign spending limit in Canada was 21 million dollars per party, and individual contributions were capped at $1200 per person. Total spending for individual candidates caps out around $130,000.

We have no professional lobby groups and we split the vote between the main five parties, but there many new ones all the time. We used to have two parties but we did not make it our cultural identity.

We don't have a separate vote for Prime minister, but I wish we did.

You guys probably spend more money on wardrobes and hair then we do on the entire election. No one ever assumes votes have been bought in Canada. It can't be done.

Yes you have more parties available, but as you said yourself, to vote for them is unamerican. You willfully encourage a reduced choice and even though the results have been devastating for more than a decade (and will be again) as a people you refuse to look outside the box. Expecting time and time again, that the same box of cereal will pour out something new this time around. How bad does it need to get?

By the way I strongly believe in capitalism. In a world of selfish and greedy humans, capitalism still provides the best conditions for humanity to excel. and I am not anti American, But I think you guys have really drifted from your roots in the last 4 decades though.

[thailiketoo]

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

I don't know what you are talking about not buying land. You better check REITs in Thailand. Anyone can buy them.

[iphad]

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

I don't know what you are talking about not buying land. You better check REITs in Thailand. Anyone can buy them.

Even I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about

"Foreigners may not own land in their name; however their Thai registered company may own the land. There are different forms of business entities in Thailand;

Buying Thai real estate under a leasehold interest is a very popular and preferred way for foreigners to acquire property in Thailand." http://www.siam-legal.com/realestate/thailand-buying-land.php

But I was briefly answering a question to me by a post>

"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

So maybe I didn't read the post question properly or gave a too simplified answer..perhaps you could answer better for me?

[thailiketoo]

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

I don't know what you are talking about not buying land. You better check REITs in Thailand. Anyone can buy them.

Even I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about

"Foreigners may not own land in their name; however their Thai registered company may own the land. There are different forms of business entities in Thailand;

Buying Thai real estate under a leasehold interest is a very popular and preferred way for foreigners to acquire property in Thailand." http://www.siam-legal.com/realestate/thailand-buying-land.php

But I was briefly answering a question to me by a post>

"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

So maybe I didn't read the post question properly or gave a too simplified answer..perhaps you could answer better for me?

Anyone can buy a Thai Reit. So if the price of land is going to go up it will go up. Or if the price of land will go down it will go down. It has nothing to do with what country the buyer comes from.

[iphad]

The ownership of land for foreigners in Thailand..well that law was pre coup...but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people...maybe it's for the rich Thai...but usually the rich would want it so they could sell land to foreigners to make more money...but to westerners...I can see this as an issue..

I don't know what you are talking about not buying land. You better check REITs in Thailand. Anyone can buy them.

Even I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about

"Foreigners may not own land in their name; however their Thai registered company may own the land. There are different forms of business entities in Thailand;

Buying Thai real estate under a leasehold interest is a very popular and preferred way for foreigners to acquire property in Thailand." http://www.siam-legal.com/realestate/thailand-buying-land.php

But I was briefly answering a question to me by a post>

"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

So maybe I didn't read the post question properly or gave a too simplified answer..perhaps you could answer better for me?

Anyone can buy a Thai Reit. So if the price of land is going to go up it will go up. Or if the price of land will go down it will go down. It has nothing to do with what country the buyer comes from.

ok thxs for your imput & correcting our ignorance.

I think the poster was talking of private ownership of land ..meaning a Thai person can buy land in the west but same rules don't apply for foreigners buying in Thailand.

but you would know better.

[thailiketoo]

Even I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about

"Foreigners may not own land in their name; however their Thai registered company may own the land. There are different forms of business entities in Thailand;

Buying Thai real estate under a leasehold interest is a very popular and preferred way for foreigners to acquire property in Thailand." http://www.siam-legal.com/realestate/thailand-buying-land.php

But I was briefly answering a question to me by a post>

"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

So maybe I didn't read the post question properly or gave a too simplified answer..perhaps you could answer better for me?

Anyone can buy a Thai Reit. So if the price of land is going to go up it will go up. Or if the price of land will go down it will go down. It has nothing to do with what country the buyer comes from.

ok thxs for your imput & correcting our ignorance.

I think the poster was talking of private ownership of land ..meaning a Thai person can buy land in the west but same rules don't apply for foreigners buying in Thailand.

but you would know better.

You wrote, "..but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people..." That is not correct and now you know. A REIT is also private ownership as opposed to government ownership.

I know you were trying to make basharoo points with the not equal land ownership thing but REITS have been legal since 2013 I think. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can comment. That is the point here I think.

[iphad]

Even I sometimes don't know what I'm talking about

"Foreigners may not own land in their name; however their Thai registered company may own the land. There are different forms of business entities in Thailand;

Buying Thai real estate under a leasehold interest is a very popular and preferred way for foreigners to acquire property in Thailand." http://www.siam-legal.com/realestate/thailand-buying-land.php

But I was briefly answering a question to me by a post>

"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

So maybe I didn't read the post question properly or gave a too simplified answer..perhaps you could answer better for me?

Anyone can buy a Thai Reit. So if the price of land is going to go up it will go up. Or if the price of land will go down it will go down. It has nothing to do with what country the buyer comes from.

ok thxs for your imput & correcting our ignorance.

I think the poster was talking of private ownership of land ..meaning a Thai person can buy land in the west but same rules don't apply for foreigners buying in Thailand.

but you would know better.

You wrote, "..but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people..." That is not correct and now you know. A REIT is also private ownership as opposed to government ownership.

I know you were trying to make basharoo points with the not equal land ownership thing but REITS have been legal since 2013 I think. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can comment. That is the point here I think.

yes I did add my opinion as to why land ownership is different...if it is different..as I have never owned land in Thailand or sought to buy any I don't know the policy... only from farang I know who have told me how they have done it.

The point I think was a Thai person can buy a house or farm in the US ...say Idaho...and as long as they have the money they can buy it.

I know farang can buy condos in Thailand

so you are saying if someone wants to buy farm land or a house & land..they can purchase that farm land or house using a REIT?

[thailiketoo]

Anyone can buy a Thai Reit. So if the price of land is going to go up it will go up. Or if the price of land will go down it will go down. It has nothing to do with what country the buyer comes from.

ok thxs for your imput & correcting our ignorance.

I think the poster was talking of private ownership of land ..meaning a Thai person can buy land in the west but same rules don't apply for foreigners buying in Thailand.

but you would know better.

You wrote, "..but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people..." That is not correct and now you know. A REIT is also private ownership as opposed to government ownership.

I know you were trying to make basharoo points with the not equal land ownership thing but REITS have been legal since 2013 I think. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can comment. That is the point here I think.

yes I did add my opinion as to why land ownership is different...if it is different..as I have never owned land in Thailand or sought to buy any I don't know the policy... only from farang I know who have told me how they have done it.

The point I think was a Thai person can buy a house or farm in the US ...say Idaho...and as long as they have the money they can buy it.

I know farang can buy condos in Thailand

so you are saying if someone wants to buy farm land or a house & land..they can purchase that farm land or house using a REIT?

No. You wrote, ".but I also think it's a good policy..keeps the prices low for Thai people." REITS finance land purchases for hotels or malls and things like that. The price of land in Thailand is figured on an international market because of REITs. A Chinese guy can make a choice of investing in a REIT in the USA or Thailand.

I know it's fun to get basharoo points comparing the USA and Thailand but that is not what you wrote that I corrected. Why would a man want to buy a home anyway? Put your money in something you can keep when the judge gets through with you.

[iphad]

Thailiketoo

Either I am missing the point or you are.

I was responding to a post where a poster was comparing the differences between Thailand & the West re. owning land >"How come Thais can become citizens in western countries, own land, set up and own their businesses while foreigners cannot?"

As I presumed he was not talking about REIT's of investing in a mall,hotel, hospital etc .... but he was referring to buying some land in Thailand which my understanding is not easy to do.

And if farang & every monkey & his dog could buy farm land & build a house in their name then the prices would go up..supply & demand.

So because that is Thailand's land ownership policy...in my opinion the reason is so the prices don't skyrocket out of reach of normal Thai people but maybe other reasons.

I am in agreement with what Thailand does...even though it is not easy for me to buy land ( I am not Thai )