Thai-Khmer relations: Prayuth 'had a hand in Veera's release'

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THAI-KHMER RELATIONS
Prayuth 'had a hand in activist's release'
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The surprise release of a yellow shirt activist from a Cambodian jail came after junta leader General Prayuth Chan-ocha talked on the phone with Prime Minister Hun Sen, Cambodian Defence Minister Tea Banh said yesterday.

The release of Veera Somkwamkid, jailed in late 2010, was announced shortly after a meeting between Hun Sen and permanent secretary of the Foreign Minister Sihasak Phuangketkeow on Tuesday night in Phnom Penh.

Tea Banh said the Cambodian government had had discussions with the Thai military junta on several matters of which Veera - who was sentenced to eight years in jail on charges of espionage and trespassing in Cambodian territory in December 2010 - was one.

Veera's release was unconditional and reflects the strong bilateral relations, Tea Banh said.

The Cambodian minister added that while there had been misunderstandings between the two nations in the past, they have worked hard to resolve them.

"It is a good sign that we are coming to an agreement with each other on many issues," he said. "We are friends so when we have problems, talking is the best way of settling them."

Prior to leaving Phnom Penh yesterday, Veera said a Thai military attache had previously visited him in jail to say the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) was helping secure his release.

Before heading to Cambodia, Sihasak had said he would discuss three topics with the Cambodian leader. These were the general political situation in Thailand, the migrant workers and Veera's case.

General Prayuth helped provide guidelines for diplomatic efforts to bring Veera home and his release was secured on a humanitarian basis given that the activist had served more than three of his eight-year-term, Sihasak said.

Earlier, Cambodian authorities had insisted that Veera needed to serve two-thirds of the total jail term to qualify for a royal pardon.

Sihasak admitted that he did not expect Veera to be released, though he suspected that Hun Sen was ready to deliver some good news on the matter.

In the meeting on Tuesday at the Peace Palace, Hun Sen happened to ask Sihasak whether he would like Veera to be released immediately so he could fly out yesterday with the rest of the Thai delegation or if he should be let go later. When the diplomat said he wanted Veera released right away, Hun Sen pulled the royal pardon out of his pocket and handed it over.

Sihasak had earlier agreed that breaking the news of the royal pardon would be up to Cambodia, and kept quiet until it was made official.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Prayuth-had-a-hand-in-activists-release-30237631.html


-- The Nation 2014-07-03

[Tatsujin]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

[jaidam]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

[Skywalker69]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

Birds of a feather flocks together.

[NanLaew]

...

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

As wikipedia would say "citation needed"... unless of course you are just playing 'pick a despot' to pad out your idle rumor mongering.

[GeorgeO]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

I don't think Thaksin had any desire whatsoever to see Veera released...!!

[tingtongteesood]

Why would Thaksin even try and get Veera released ? They are enemies, he was probably glad Veera was behind bars....

[fab4]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

Ah, the old Shinawatra/Hun Sen Oil and Gas plot conspiracy, a ploy straight out of the abhisit/dems strategy book. Start the rumours but with nothing to back it up

Prime Minister Hun Sen yesterday blasted former Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Thai opposition activists for what he said were attempts to use Cambodia as a cudgel to score political points on sensitive issues back home.

Hun Sen was apparently reacting to a protest in Bangkok yesterday organised to oppose any International Court of Justice ruling on the Preah Vihear territory dispute, which is expected later this year.

Taking that as his launching pad, he said that Abhisit, whose Democratic Party shares political views with the protesters, had to “submit evidence” backing claims he’s made in the past about dealings between the two countries over a resource-rich overlapping claims area in the Gulf of Thailand.

“This former prime minister was always accusing former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of benefiting from Cambodia over an oil and gas deal in the overlapping claims area, and opposing the ICJ’s jurisdiction,” Hun Sen said at in Stung Treng’s Siem Bok district where he distributed land titles.

“Today, I would like Abhisit to bring up evidence. But if there is no evidence, don’t rally to cheat more than 60 million Thai people, [as well as] 14 million Cambodian people.”............

................. in 2011, in response to Abhisit reportedly accusing Thaksin of having “secret interests” in Cambodia, the Council of Ministers issued a statement that detailed closed-door meetings between Cambodian and Thai Democratic Party officials under Abhisit about the overlapping claims area.

The council’s Press and Quick Reaction Unit reissued its 2011 statement yesterday, and spokesman Phay Siphan said it was meant to be a reminder.

“The Thai people are [still] not aware that the Abhisit government tried to talk with Cambodia secretly about that issue. We want to put it on the table. That’s why we wanted to reveal the fact that Abhisit played with the people,” Siphan said.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/hun-sen-bashes-ex-thai-pm

Don't kid yourself, abhisit will talk to anybody who can "look after him"

Take for example his accommodation with Than Shwe when he signed the agreement for a deep water port and heavy industrial complex at Dawei in Burma. Having had the enviromental and health disaster that is Map Ta Phut causing him problems but still needing to rely on heavy industry expansion, abhisit stated

“I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,”

and proceeded to agree a deal to put it in someone else's backyard, that someone being the unfortunate Burmese.

(http://www.dvb.no/analysis/not-in-my-backyard/12359)

[rubl]

Instead of going into the Dawei story which Ms. Yingluck tried to promote so enthousiastically, let's return to the Prayuth - HunSen talk which resulted in a 'stray' yellow being released only to be brought to court to hear charges. Allegedly that is, he might have stood outside while his legal representative did the paperwork. K. Veera was proberly a bit out of touch otherwise k. Suthep could have told him to expect such from the helpful NCPO.

[FangFerang]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

Ah, the old Shinawatra/Hun Sen Oil and Gas plot conspiracy, a ploy straight out of the abhisit/dems strategy book. Start the rumours but with nothing to back it up

Prime Minister Hun Sen yesterday blasted former Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Thai opposition activists for what he said were attempts to use Cambodia as a cudgel to score political points on sensitive issues back home.

Hun Sen was apparently reacting to a protest in Bangkok yesterday organised to oppose any International Court of Justice ruling on the Preah Vihear territory dispute, which is expected later this year.

Taking that as his launching pad, he said that Abhisit, whose Democratic Party shares political views with the protesters, had to “submit evidence” backing claims he’s made in the past about dealings between the two countries over a resource-rich overlapping claims area in the Gulf of Thailand.

“This former prime minister was always accusing former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of benefiting from Cambodia over an oil and gas deal in the overlapping claims area, and opposing the ICJ’s jurisdiction,” Hun Sen said at in Stung Treng’s Siem Bok district where he distributed land titles.

“Today, I would like Abhisit to bring up evidence. But if there is no evidence, don’t rally to cheat more than 60 million Thai people, [as well as] 14 million Cambodian people.”............

................. in 2011, in response to Abhisit reportedly accusing Thaksin of having “secret interests” in Cambodia, the Council of Ministers issued a statement that detailed closed-door meetings between Cambodian and Thai Democratic Party officials under Abhisit about the overlapping claims area.

The council’s Press and Quick Reaction Unit reissued its 2011 statement yesterday, and spokesman Phay Siphan said it was meant to be a reminder.

“The Thai people are [still] not aware that the Abhisit government tried to talk with Cambodia secretly about that issue. We want to put it on the table. That’s why we wanted to reveal the fact that Abhisit played with the people,” Siphan said.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/hun-sen-bashes-ex-thai-pm

Don't kid yourself, abhisit will talk to anybody who can "look after him"

Take for example his accommodation with Than Shwe when he signed the agreement for a deep water port and heavy industrial complex at Dawei in Burma. Having had the enviromental and health disaster that is Map Ta Phut causing him problems but still needing to rely on heavy industry expansion, abhisit stated

“I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,”

and proceeded to agree a deal to put it in someone else's backyard, that someone being the unfortunate Burmese.

(http://www.dvb.no/analysis/not-in-my-backyard/12359)

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

[Bluespunk]

First the exodus.

Now the return of the prodigal son.

It's all going a bit biblical these days.

Might make the workers feel safe enough to return I guess. Love the bit about the Cambodian PM just pulling the reprieve out of his pocket after saying you want him now or later. Brilliant.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Bluespunk

[fab4]

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

Ah, the old Shinawatra/Hun Sen Oil and Gas plot conspiracy, a ploy straight out of the abhisit/dems strategy book. Start the rumours but with nothing to back it up

Prime Minister Hun Sen yesterday blasted former Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Thai opposition activists for what he said were attempts to use Cambodia as a cudgel to score political points on sensitive issues back home.

Hun Sen was apparently reacting to a protest in Bangkok yesterday organised to oppose any International Court of Justice ruling on the Preah Vihear territory dispute, which is expected later this year.

Taking that as his launching pad, he said that Abhisit, whose Democratic Party shares political views with the protesters, had to “submit evidence” backing claims he’s made in the past about dealings between the two countries over a resource-rich overlapping claims area in the Gulf of Thailand.

“This former prime minister was always accusing former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of benefiting from Cambodia over an oil and gas deal in the overlapping claims area, and opposing the ICJ’s jurisdiction,” Hun Sen said at in Stung Treng’s Siem Bok district where he distributed land titles.

“Today, I would like Abhisit to bring up evidence. But if there is no evidence, don’t rally to cheat more than 60 million Thai people, [as well as] 14 million Cambodian people.”............

................. in 2011, in response to Abhisit reportedly accusing Thaksin of having “secret interests” in Cambodia, the Council of Ministers issued a statement that detailed closed-door meetings between Cambodian and Thai Democratic Party officials under Abhisit about the overlapping claims area.

The council’s Press and Quick Reaction Unit reissued its 2011 statement yesterday, and spokesman Phay Siphan said it was meant to be a reminder.

“The Thai people are [still] not aware that the Abhisit government tried to talk with Cambodia secretly about that issue. We want to put it on the table. That’s why we wanted to reveal the fact that Abhisit played with the people,” Siphan said.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/hun-sen-bashes-ex-thai-pm

Don't kid yourself, abhisit will talk to anybody who can "look after him"

Take for example his accommodation with Than Shwe when he signed the agreement for a deep water port and heavy industrial complex at Dawei in Burma. Having had the enviromental and health disaster that is Map Ta Phut causing him problems but still needing to rely on heavy industry expansion, abhisit stated

“I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,”

and proceeded to agree a deal to put it in someone else's backyard, that someone being the unfortunate Burmese.

(http://www.dvb.no/analysis/not-in-my-backyard/12359)

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

Edited July 3, 2014 by fab4

[jaidam]

...

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

As wikipedia would say "citation needed"... unless of course you are just playing 'pick a despot' to pad out your idle rumor mongering.

You have almost 10 thousand posts. I would assume by know you know how to use google. Here's a quick start for you linking Thaksin to Museveni. By entering Thaksin and Mugabe in google you will find the relevant info. Put Nalinee Taveesin name in there as well and you will see the money laundering aspect which almost got Thailand sanctions when Thaksin made Taveesin trade envoy.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/599303-will-thaksin-gain-from-state-visit-by-ugandas-president-museveni/

Enjoy yourself, education can be fun.

[Emptyset]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Thaksin's relationship with Hun Sen has soured during the last couple of years apparently. I don't think Thaksin any longer enjoys "close relations" anyway. That's why Thaksin was in Burma during his last visits to the region, and why Hun Sen is not allowing any pro-Thaksin resistance movement to have its base in Cambodia. I wonder if the migrant situation had something to do with this release too. Thailand also released 14 Cambodian migrant workers as part of the deal.

In any case, I doubt keeping Veera in prison is particularly important to Hun Sen, and had he asked for a royal pardon, he may have been released before now, just as his assistant Ratree Pipatanapaiboon was.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Emptyset

[Bakseeda]

Instead of going into the Dawei story which Ms. Yingluck tried to promote so enthousiastically, let's return to the Prayuth - HunSen talk which resulted in a 'stray' yellow being released only to be brought to court to hear charges. Allegedly that is, he might have stood outside while his legal representative did the paperwork. K. Veera was proberly a bit out of touch otherwise k. Suthep could have told him to expect such from the helpful NCPO.

Darling Yinluck did her very best to bring back on board the Japanese investors because and for one reason only, that her brother has bought up all the land around the bay in which the deep sea port was to be built, And that reason is why the investors pulled out of the deal in the first place. Shinewatra greed again spoiled what could be a fantastic project for Asia and for the Burmese peoples.

[siampolee]

fab4 post # 12

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

All rather like statistics isn't it?

Lies dammed lies and fab4 illogical logic

[Baerboxer]

...

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

As wikipedia would say "citation needed"... unless of course you are just playing 'pick a despot' to pad out your idle rumor mongering.

At least you admit Thaksin is a despot. Well done - taking a step forward!

[Baerboxer]

Ah, the old Shinawatra/Hun Sen Oil and Gas plot conspiracy, a ploy straight out of the abhisit/dems strategy book. Start the rumours but with nothing to back it up

Prime Minister Hun Sen yesterday blasted former Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Thai opposition activists for what he said were attempts to use Cambodia as a cudgel to score political points on sensitive issues back home.

Hun Sen was apparently reacting to a protest in Bangkok yesterday organised to oppose any International Court of Justice ruling on the Preah Vihear territory dispute, which is expected later this year.

Taking that as his launching pad, he said that Abhisit, whose Democratic Party shares political views with the protesters, had to “submit evidence” backing claims he’s made in the past about dealings between the two countries over a resource-rich overlapping claims area in the Gulf of Thailand.

“This former prime minister was always accusing former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of benefiting from Cambodia over an oil and gas deal in the overlapping claims area, and opposing the ICJ’s jurisdiction,” Hun Sen said at in Stung Treng’s Siem Bok district where he distributed land titles.

“Today, I would like Abhisit to bring up evidence. But if there is no evidence, don’t rally to cheat more than 60 million Thai people, [as well as] 14 million Cambodian people.”............

................. in 2011, in response to Abhisit reportedly accusing Thaksin of having “secret interests” in Cambodia, the Council of Ministers issued a statement that detailed closed-door meetings between Cambodian and Thai Democratic Party officials under Abhisit about the overlapping claims area.

The council’s Press and Quick Reaction Unit reissued its 2011 statement yesterday, and spokesman Phay Siphan said it was meant to be a reminder.

“The Thai people are [still] not aware that the Abhisit government tried to talk with Cambodia secretly about that issue. We want to put it on the table. That’s why we wanted to reveal the fact that Abhisit played with the people,” Siphan said.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/hun-sen-bashes-ex-thai-pm

Don't kid yourself, abhisit will talk to anybody who can "look after him"

Take for example his accommodation with Than Shwe when he signed the agreement for a deep water port and heavy industrial complex at Dawei in Burma. Having had the enviromental and health disaster that is Map Ta Phut causing him problems but still needing to rely on heavy industry expansion, abhisit stated

“I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,”

and proceeded to agree a deal to put it in someone else's backyard, that someone being the unfortunate Burmese.

(http://www.dvb.no/analysis/not-in-my-backyard/12359)

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

Of course everything Hun Sen or Thaksin say is totally believable. One only has to look at their impeccable track records and history.

Both were "democratically" elected after all.

Khmer rouge killing fields / war on drugs, massacres in the South. So many views clearly shared, including free speech and tolerance level towards opponents

[Docno]

Probably the result of some backroom horse trading. You welcome back our Cambodian workers and we'll give you a symbolic gift of a returned native son. Everyone comes out smelling like roses...

[Tatsujin]

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

Well, you do have a point . . . I just see it as pointless point as the track records of both Thaksin and Hun Sen in the arenas of honesty, integrity, fair dealings, human rights abuses, massacres, criminality etc leave a lot to be desired.

Personally, I don't trust one word out of either of their mouths so what is reported I'm (to say the least) skeptical about.

The point I was trying to make earlier however was that the relationship Thaksin had with Hun Sen a few years ago was very close and it would have cost Thaksin nothing to have had him released, but no, he was an opponent and Thaksin won't help anyone that opposes him.

What happened to the casino complex Thaksin was opening in Cambodia by the way?

[bigbamboo]

First the exodus.

Now the return of the prodigal son.

It's all going a bit biblical these days.

Might make the workers feel safe enough to return I guess. Love the bit about the Cambodian PM just pulling the reprieve out of his pocket after saying you want him now or later. Brilliant.

Biblical indeed.

BTW, do you want to buy an Ark?

[northernjohn]

...

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

As wikipedia would say "citation needed"... unless of course you are just playing 'pick a despot' to pad out your idle rumor mongering.

Well you might have had a leg to stand on. Then when fab 4 came on board with you it pretty well blew away your theory.

I though Thaksin and Hun Sin were bosom buddies. Hun sin had even given him a job for a while. You would have thought with that friendship Hun Sen would never release a Thaksin enemy.

[northernjohn]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Are Hun Sen and Thaksin now family members after Thaksin married off his niece to the Cambodian elite? He didn't pull it off an early release as Veera fannying around on the border was drawing too much attention to the Shin/Sen oil and gas pact. We all know what happens to somebody when they inconvenience Thaksin.

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

Ah, the old Shinawatra/Hun Sen Oil and Gas plot conspiracy, a ploy straight out of the abhisit/dems strategy book. Start the rumours but with nothing to back it up

Prime Minister Hun Sen yesterday blasted former Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Thai opposition activists for what he said were attempts to use Cambodia as a cudgel to score political points on sensitive issues back home.

Hun Sen was apparently reacting to a protest in Bangkok yesterday organised to oppose any International Court of Justice ruling on the Preah Vihear territory dispute, which is expected later this year.

Taking that as his launching pad, he said that Abhisit, whose Democratic Party shares political views with the protesters, had to “submit evidence” backing claims he’s made in the past about dealings between the two countries over a resource-rich overlapping claims area in the Gulf of Thailand.

“This former prime minister was always accusing former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of benefiting from Cambodia over an oil and gas deal in the overlapping claims area, and opposing the ICJ’s jurisdiction,” Hun Sen said at in Stung Treng’s Siem Bok district where he distributed land titles.

“Today, I would like Abhisit to bring up evidence. But if there is no evidence, don’t rally to cheat more than 60 million Thai people, [as well as] 14 million Cambodian people.”............

................. in 2011, in response to Abhisit reportedly accusing Thaksin of having “secret interests” in Cambodia, the Council of Ministers issued a statement that detailed closed-door meetings between Cambodian and Thai Democratic Party officials under Abhisit about the overlapping claims area.

The council’s Press and Quick Reaction Unit reissued its 2011 statement yesterday, and spokesman Phay Siphan said it was meant to be a reminder.

“The Thai people are [still] not aware that the Abhisit government tried to talk with Cambodia secretly about that issue. We want to put it on the table. That’s why we wanted to reveal the fact that Abhisit played with the people,” Siphan said.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/hun-sen-bashes-ex-thai-pm

Don't kid yourself, abhisit will talk to anybody who can "look after him"

Take for example his accommodation with Than Shwe when he signed the agreement for a deep water port and heavy industrial complex at Dawei in Burma. Having had the enviromental and health disaster that is Map Ta Phut causing him problems but still needing to rely on heavy industry expansion, abhisit stated

“I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,”

and proceeded to agree a deal to put it in someone else's backyard, that someone being the unfortunate Burmese.

(http://www.dvb.no/analysis/not-in-my-backyard/12359)

Nice try.

Get your history book out. Abhist was forced into it by the Yellow shirts. It actually had been going on a long time and Thaksin ignored it much as Abhist did until the yellow shirts made such a stink about it.

Are you saying you don't like the Dawei deal because it was in Burma. Not sure I follow your reasoning there.

Are you saying that it is a bad deal for the Burmese.

what is the population of the area in Thailand that you say caused so much of a ruckus over it that Abhist agreed TO Burma.

The way I understood the deal Thailand would have benefited from it. But I can't expect a dyed in the wool hard core red shirt to admit any thing Abhist does is good. That will come the same day as he say's Thaksin was the financial backer for the red shirts in the 2010 failed coup.

[NanLaew]

...

You can tell quite a lot about somebody by the company they keep. Abhsist is rumored to be close to Boris Johnson, while Thaksin prefers to hang out and do business with ex-Khmer rouge Hun Sen, Fijian tribal strongman Frank Bananarama, and African dictators Robert Mugabe and Museveni It gives a sense of their democratic values and morals does it not?

As wikipedia would say "citation needed"... unless of course you are just playing 'pick a despot' to pad out your idle rumor mongering.

You have almost 10 thousand posts. I would assume by know you know how to use google. Here's a quick start for you linking Thaksin to Museveni. By entering Thaksin and Mugabe in google you will find the relevant info. Put Nalinee Taveesin name in there as well and you will see the money laundering aspect which almost got Thailand sanctions when Thaksin made Taveesin trade envoy.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/599303-will-thaksin-gain-from-state-visit-by-ugandas-president-museveni/

Enjoy yourself, education can be fun.

I thought I would leave you to it but then I decided to google NanLaew and Mugabe... holy sh!t!

There's a lot to be said for this EU law that's going to force google to erase that sort of stuff.

Irrelevant!

(I only shot one solitary wild boar btw, Uncle Bob's the one that bagged the elephant)

[rubl]

Very very interesting . . . given Thaksin's close relations with Cambodia/Hun Sen, I don't know why he couldn't have pulled this off a while back.

Thaksin's relationship with Hun Sen has soured during the last couple of years apparently. I don't think Thaksin any longer enjoys "close relations" anyway. That's why Thaksin was in Burma during his last visits to the region, and why Hun Sen is not allowing any pro-Thaksin resistance movement to have its base in Cambodia. I wonder if the migrant situation had something to do with this release too. Thailand also released 14 Cambodian migrant workers as part of the deal.

In any case, I doubt keeping Veera in prison is particularly important to Hun Sen, and had he asked for a royal pardon, he may have been released before now, just as his assistant Ratree Pipatanapaiboon was.

A bit off topic I'm afraid, although about Thai-Cambodian relations

Was it Songkhran 2013 when HunSen provided free busses and free access to some Khmer temples for Thai who wanted to use the opportunity to also see their saviour? Or was it 2012 already?

[rubl]

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

West is West and East is East. I think even Ms. Yingluck knows that the topic of "Thai-Cambodian relations" is a.o. about the chap who is her brother's eternal friend. The West is where that admirable lady is, the one who isn't bothered by a big brother.

Now of course, if any of you can find a topic on Dawei or ask the mods the create one, I'd be happy to join the discussion. Jump in the fray as it were, that's my style, as long as we can leave out the grenade lobbing fun. An old injury leftover from my time in the army makes me sensitive to loud noises

Edited July 3, 2014 by rubl

[fab4]

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

West is West and East is East. I think even Ms. Yingluck knows that the topic of "Thai-Cambodian relations" is a.o. about the chap who is her brother's eternal friend. The West is where that admirable lady is, the one who isn't bothered by a big brother.

Now of course, if any of you can find a topic on Dawei or ask the mods the create one, I'd be happy to join the discussion. Jump in the fray as it were, that's my style, as long as we can leave out the grenade lobbing fun. An old injury leftover from my time in the army makes me sensitive to loud noises

That old injury must have affected the recollection part of your brain as well. Just a few posts back I posted about Dawei in response to another posters musing on politicians relationships with various people - of course this had to include the obligatory rant about Thaksin. The Dawei reference was used by me as an example that abhisit (mentioned by the poster that I was replying to) could also be open to all kinds of unsavoury people and actions.

Of course you would have known that if you had followed the thread and read the posts concerned in context. Instead, as usual, you act like some prissy school marm, and after your obligatory off topic mention of grenades, proceed to remind everyone else of their duties to stay on topic.

No stranger to double standards, it's plain to see why you follow the political stance you espouse.

[rubl]

The yellow ranters cannot shoot down your point, so they will not respond. Again. Intellectual cowardice is astonishing...

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

West is West and East is East. I think even Ms. Yingluck knows that the topic of "Thai-Cambodian relations" is a.o. about the chap who is her brother's eternal friend. The West is where that admirable lady is, the one who isn't bothered by a big brother.

Now of course, if any of you can find a topic on Dawei or ask the mods the create one, I'd be happy to join the discussion. Jump in the fray as it were, that's my style, as long as we can leave out the grenade lobbing fun. An old injury leftover from my time in the army makes me sensitive to loud noises

That old injury must have affected the recollection part of your brain as well. Just a few posts back I posted about Dawei in response to another posters musing on politicians relationships with various people - of course this had to include the obligatory rant about Thaksin. The Dawei reference was used by me as an example that abhisit (mentioned by the poster that I was replying to) could also be open to all kinds of unsavoury people and actions.

Of course you would have known that if you had followed the thread and read the posts concerned in context. Instead, as usual, you act like some prissy school marm, and after your obligatory off topic mention of grenades, proceed to remind everyone else of their duties to stay on topic.

No stranger to double standards, it's plain to see why you follow the political stance you espouse.

You don't seem to have an excuse for your twist of the truth, now do you?

With Ms. Yingluck and Thaksin's Pheu Thai party petitioned by Veera's mother and prompty ignored after the normal platitudes of 'looking into things' we're still unto the topic with Thai-Cambodian relations and how those were/are effected by the 'stray' yellow Veera.

Now of course if that makes you wonder about Abhisit and Myanmar, your internal compass might be off by merely 180 degrees. Mind you, I did mention getting a special topic to discuss Dawei which seems so near to your heart.

BTW we can do without the insults, no need for them, not even from a somewhat frustrated fabs, allegedly that is.

[fab4]

You don't seem to have an excuse for your twist of the truth, now do you?

With Ms. Yingluck and Thaksin's Pheu Thai party petitioned by Veera's mother and prompty ignored after the normal platitudes of 'looking into things' we're still unto the topic with Thai-Cambodian relations and how those were/are effected by the 'stray' yellow Veera.

Now of course if that makes you wonder about Abhisit and Myanmar, your internal compass might be off by merely 180 degrees. Mind you, I did mention getting a special topic to discuss Dawei which seems so near to your heart.

BTW we can do without the insults, no need for them, not even from a somewhat frustrated fabs, allegedly that is.

And we can do without your accusation of "twisting the truth" as well.

Another one of your fire and forget allegations, or are you going to be able to point out to me where I've twisted the truth, or apologise - not something you're known for.

[mikemac]

If they do respond, it's to say I'm off topic (see rubl above), or history, or "red propaganda", anything but, "well you have a point there, let's discuss it". Though I'm kind of used to that by now.

Well, do you blame them ?

Your posts are 50% off topic and 50% red propaganda.

And why would they say "well you have a point there, let's discuss it" ? Perhaps if you removed the condescending tone from your comments you may receive some more civil replies.

Though we are kind of used to that by now.

Just my humble opinion, and I may well be wrong.

Edited July 4, 2014 by mikemac