Disabled claim half of new buses won't suit their needs

[Lite Beer]

Disabled claim half of new buses won't suit their needs
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- The "Bus For All" network, which includes pressure groups acting on behalf of the disabled, continues its battle to halt the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA) plan to buy some 3,000 natural gas-powered buses.

The network claims that half of the new buses would not offer convenient access to the disabled, while the project's current terms of reference, it claims, also suggest corruption and rigging of specifications.

After seeking assistance from the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) last Monday, the network is now trying to meet Soithip Trisuddhi, deputy permanent secretary for Transport, to seek her help, said the network's secretary, Teerayudth Sukonthavit. They also plan to host a seminar on July 17 at the Thai Health Foundation, he added.

The network, which has been battling for buses that are "accessible to all" for two years, wants the project's current terms of reference - which has been amended 10 times - to be scrapped, claiming the project could be plagued by corruption and specification rigging.

In a statement issued on Monday, the network claimed that 1,524 out of the 3,183 new NGV buses to be bought under this project were air-conditioned low-floor ones, while the remaining 1,659 were regular non-air-conditioned vehicles. These regular buses would have staircases as well as a middle pole partition, which prevented people with disabilities, or those with wheelchairs, from taking the bus ride, the network said.

Despite protests and revisions, the TOR maintained the initial content. About 26,000 people signed a petition calling for changes. The signatures, obtained via the website change.org, had been distributed to all units involved with BMTA.

Although BMTA offered to install lifts in these regular buses, the network believed it would still be disadvantageous to people with disabilities. Such an elevator would take five minutes to take in a disabled passenger, whereas the low platform bus ramps would take only 20 seconds.

"Even if the buses had elevators, the disabled persons wouldn't use them because they'd be afraid that getting on and off the bus would take too long and bring disapproving looks and a perception they were delaying everyone," said Teerayudth.

"We oppose the idea of elevators installed in regular buses and ask that the Transport Ministry buy low-floor buses instead, so that everyone can take a bus - whether they are disabled, sick, elderly or pregnant. The taxpayers' money spent in this project should benefit everyone," Teerayudth said. "The [bMTA's] suggestion does not solve the problem at its root - when we provide an answer to reject their excuse, they keep finding another one," he added.

The network's study of the project also suggested there might be corruption involved. Not only did it cost Bt13 billion to buy the buses, the maintenance costs for the next 10 years also would amount to Bt15 billion. BMTA and the Transport Ministry didn't mention this clearly, leading to doubts over the project's transparency, he added.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Disabled-claim-half-of-new-buses-wont-suit-their-n-30237840.html

-- The Nation 2014-07-06

[kimamey]

I wish them luck with this. My first wife was in a wheelchair before she died and access can be very difficult. Even with the right transport I would think wheelchairs would have a problem on Bangkok streets from what I've seen.

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[rametindallas]

While they are at it, clear all the disused phone booths, etc. that are blocking the footpaths and install ramps at intersections. Bangkok is the worst city I have ever seen for being non-friendly for wheelchair users.

[ChrisY1]

A dreadful prospect having to use a wheelchair in Thailand......the footpaths alone are dangerous for foot traffic.

Have to feel for these people.......

[harrry]

A good start, other countries took a while too, I remember Perth initially bought a mixed lot of accessible and non accessible busses and that was only about 10 years ago. Now all are accessible. One of the problems here is the long life of vehicles. Many will still be on the road in 40 years while in the West maintenance costs mean it is cheaper to replace.

[JohnThailandJohn]

First they need to address the issue of how the disabled will even get to a bus stop.

[harrry]

They could start with the footpaths in Soi 7

[dcutman]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

[Stradavarius37]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

Thanks for that gem of wisdom barstool warrior.

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It's not only access, in general, the Thais have a completely different attitude toward the disabled to that of the West. Some time ago when I was recovering after surgery for a damaged shoulder, necessitating wearing a sling (so it was plainly visible I was at a disadvantage in my mobility), people simply knocked me out of the way, slammed shop doors after them instead of holding them open, and on one occasion, when I'd been unable to steady myself and fallen, the buggers just stepped over me. Nice I've noticed this attitude toward other Thais too. 'Mai suay nah?'

Oh and yes, of course there's massive corruption involved in this insistence on elevators. Those hoping for a stop to systemic and endemic corruption in this country for any lasting period are dreaming.

[harrry]

At least they are starting to tak about it

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/666665-bangkok-on-mission-to-clear-footpaths/

http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/article/governor-policy-bangkok-candidates-2013-gubernatorial-election?page=1

DISABILITY-FRIENDLY CITY

Chamras Intumas No.15
Social welfare for elderly and disabled people of B5,000 a month.
Pongsapat Pongcharoen No.9
Build disabled-friendly footpaths; improve access to BTS; encourage schools to accept disabled kids to study alongside fully-abled students; create a disabled peoples register to better provide them with homes or professional care.
Sereepisut Temeeyaves No.11
Improve building entrances and bus stops for disabled people.
Sukhumbhand Paribatra No.16
Install 350 footways for disabled people; register another 20,000 disabled people, on top of the 40,000 already recorded, to better provide them with social welfare; add 100 disabled-friendly taxis; install more the 100 disabled access points on the BTS.

[kurnell]

[ginjag]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

Thanks for that gem of wisdom barstool warrior.

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Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

[harrry]

Many have wheelchairs. They use them at home. You do not see them because it is so difficult to navigate the outside environment. (to some extent also there is a reluctance to appear in public as a disabled person as they fear losing face and because of outdated beliefs supported by some monks that they are disabled because they did bad things in the past.)

Both the environmental and societal factors have to change. I believe that if you improve the physical environment the other changes will come by themselves.

[Tyvsa Sksass]

That could be the post of the year.

Now what should be done is to try to identify the owner of the silver coloured car and prosecute him.

[Tyvsa Sksass]

Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

"My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout."

You seem to be suggesting that those disabled who do not have wheelchairs now should not be allowed the right to mobility in case there is too many of them. Nice sentiment, I don't think.

[ginjag]

Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

"My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout."

You seem to be suggesting that those disabled who do not have wheelchairs now should not be allowed the right to mobility in case there is too many of them. Nice sentiment, I don't think.

I do not suggest anything of the sort, why have you twisted the post round ??? How many do you see in 1 given day---WHY so few ???

The topic points out the y have a problem with the few they have to accommodate,, I said what on earth would they do if all persons were mobile ??? That's all I said.

Read my post without suggesting anything that suits your self -you reply was OTT and I want to tell you that I WISH everyone in Thailand could have access to wheelchairs and could also use them to go anywhere without assistance if poss. With assistance it is a dodgy place.

Your last paragraph is a lie, as my sentiments are for all persons to be supplied with chairs etc.

[harrry]

Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

"My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout."

You seem to be suggesting that those disabled who do not have wheelchairs now should not be allowed the right to mobility in case there is too many of them. Nice sentiment, I don't think.

I do not suggest anything of the sort, why have you twisted the post round ??? How many do you see in 1 given day---WHY so few ???

The topic points out the y have a problem with the few they have to accommodate,, I said what on earth would they do if all persons were mobile ??? That's all I said.

Read my post without suggesting anything that suits your self -you reply was OTT and I want to tell you that I WISH everyone in Thailand could have access to wheelchairs and could also use them to go anywhere without assistance if poss. With assistance it is a dodgy place.

Your last paragraph is a lie, as my sentiments are for all persons to be supplied with chairs etc.

Read your post again. Then see who is lying.

[ginjag]

Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

"My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout."

You seem to be suggesting that those disabled who do not have wheelchairs now should not be allowed the right to mobility in case there is too many of them. Nice sentiment, I don't think.

I do not suggest anything of the sort, why have you twisted the post round ??? How many do you see in 1 given day---WHY so few ???

The topic points out the y have a problem with the few they have to accommodate,, I said what on earth would they do if all persons were mobile ??? That's all I said.

Read my post without suggesting anything that suits your self -you reply was OTT and I want to tell you that I WISH everyone in Thailand could have access to wheelchairs and could also use them to go anywhere without assistance if poss. With assistance it is a dodgy place.

Your last paragraph is a lie, as my sentiments are for all persons to be supplied with chairs etc.

Read your post again. Then see who is lying.

Harry---for crying out loud, what did I say wrong for you to defend a poster on the subject.

Simply put wishing all disabled to have chairs, but if they were supplied how on earth would the buses cope with them. The bus companies would be up the spout and the disabled.

For why do you chip in a twisted post from your mate ??? reply where did I suggest that those who don't have chairs should not be allowed. Ridiculous to twist a post --for what reason ??? did I mess up your cornflakes this morning or if not who did.??-----I have sympathy for those with and for those without--they should have access.

[ginjag]

Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

"My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout."

You seem to be suggesting that those disabled who do not have wheelchairs now should not be allowed the right to mobility in case there is too many of them. Nice sentiment, I don't think.

You and Harry are posting for aggravations sake. My post is appealing to authorities to give all access, my post is appealing to local authorities to provide paths for wheelchairs, my post is to ask why a vast amount of disabled are NOT supplied with chairs. Do you both get me ??? or can you find a way to twist this post.???

[dcutman]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

Thanks for that gem of wisdom barstool warrior.

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Is this your most intelligent response? Or your expertise of showing how to be a complete arse.

[harrry]

No Gingjag we are posting because it is a subject we (or at least I have a very direct intererst in. You however are posting to agravate or if you are not should re-read what you said and check whether what you said is what you really meant. I have given you the benefit of the doubt and considered that you post was when you said it was not what you meant was due to poor knowledge of english language. I however revise that view based on your subsequent posts and realise it is you who are trying to agravate.

Maybe you are like the senior officer of an Australian University who seriously proposed that it was not worth the two percent extra costs of having a fully accessible university and that people could go elswhere. A serious proposal but that same person was a very solid supporter and active participent in Sailability Australial

[ginjag]

No Gingjag we are posting because it is a subject we (or at least I have a very direct intererst in. You however are posting to agravate or if you are not should re-read what you said and check whether what you said is what you really meant. I have given you the benefit of the doubt and considered that you post was when you said it was not what you meant was due to poor knowledge of english language. I however revise that view based on your subsequent posts and realise it is you who are trying to agravate.

Maybe you are like the senior officer of an Australian University who seriously proposed that it was not worth the two percent extra costs of having a fully accessible university and that people could go elswhere. A serious proposal but that same person was a very solid supporter and active participent in Sailability Australial

Harry I have explained to you how I stand on the subject, you do NOT want to understand that. (my last post tells you) unless your English is not so good.

Please tell me what part of my original post so aggravated you ??? explain. ???

I was for years involved with the disabled and understand their needs totally. The problem here is ( I will explain again) the Thai state does not give access to all----secondly if all disabled persons were given wheelchairs --highways--local government and transport are not raelly interested---a case of out of sight and out of mind with many of these people.

My English is far from perfect, but I get by, with most other posters. Who doe's speak the perfect Queens English YOU ??

You are not my teacher and is also against TVF rules to attack posters, re their typing-spelling etc. do not be so clever my wind up friend.

Australia is not the topic. read the rules. If you can???

Your contribution to the topic ??? without the likes, and wind up. I have said all and do not want the further involvement in your wind up. READ MY POSTS they tell you my stance, not a twisted interpretation of a sentence you prefer to back up another--he was the original wind up.

[englishoak]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

Thanks for that gem of wisdom barstool warrior.

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Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

Sorry gin your not thinking logically or taking care with your wording, it does seem like an excuse.... absolutely what it needs is to put everything up the spout and have more and more wheelchairs out and demanding accommodation...make it so inconvenient for fully able people they CANT ignore it, get them on the buses, on the skytrains in and out of shops and in peoples faces, the only thing that is likely to work here is by forcing it...Thais are very very good at not "seeing" something in front of them they dont wish to notice.

My mate came out to see us in his wheelchair for a holiday, he couldnt believe how backward the place was and the attitude of the Thais towards disability... they just dont care, not their problem if its not them in the chair. He went back and reported to his many many curious friends not to come to Thailand for a decade or so if getting about or going places and doing stuff you would expect to do back home.

PS there are tons of people with wheelchairs at home and its growing all the time and plenty out there on the streets with home made makeshift mobility they can afford or invent. They need to remind people they exist thats all. A good few hundred or better a thousand or so taking to sukumvit road with full national press or better still international press coverage would help.

Shaming LOS seems to be the one thing that gets attention here lately..

[ginjag]

Seems the "bus for all" network is being a bit over the top in their demands. Thailand has a long way to go before it would considered developed to western standards. Especially those standards dedicated to the disabled.

I would think they would be pretty happy about getting half the buses the way they want them.

If they want to bitch about accessibility for disabled people, I would suggest starting at how to even get to the bust stop in the first place.

Thanks for that gem of wisdom barstool warrior.

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Please tell me any wise genned up posters how many disabled have wheelchairs??? out of a few million how many are without ?? but in most cases how good would a wheelchair be to them, most I know have to stay home laid on a bamboo table.

If you were lucky enough to have a wheelchair, --picture this in the local village how would you get about for starters ??? no paths--dirt potholed roads ??

Pattaya for example, shop side beach road for a wheel chair impossible, it's bad enough for an able bodied person. Taxi yes there are a few that can accommodate---but how do you get to the taxi ???

dcutman has a good point, how do you arrive at a bus stop in the first place ?? distribution of wheelchairs are few and far between.

My last point being, be honest posters in any one given day how many disabled/wheelchair persons do you see out on the paths/shopping ??

They have a problem accommodating the minority that have wheelchairs, what would happen if everyone has one, they would be completely up the spout.

Strad..... what has a bar stool got to do with a true fact that dcutman made.???

Sorry gin your not thinking logically or taking care with your wording, it does seem like an excuse.... absolutely what it needs is to put everything up the spout and have more and more wheelchairs out and demanding accommodation...make it so inconvenient for fully able people they CANT ignore it, get them on the buses, on the skytrains in and out of shops and in peoples faces, the only thing that is likely to work here is by forcing it...Thais are very very good at not "seeing" something in front of them they dont wish to notice.

My mate came out to see us in his wheelchair for a holiday, he couldnt believe how backward the place was and the attitude of the Thais towards disability... they just dont care, not their problem if its not them in the chair. He went back and reported to his many many curious friends not to come to Thailand for a decade or so if getting about or going places and doing stuff you would expect to do back home.

PS there are tons of people with wheelchairs at home and its growing all the time and plenty out there on the streets with home made makeshift mobility they can afford or invent. They need to remind people they exist thats all. A good few hundred or better a thousand or so taking to sukumvit road with full national press or better still international press coverage would help.

Shaming LOS seems to be the one thing that gets attention here lately..

Quote "I am not thinking logically or taking care of my wording" What is an excuse ??? pray tell me. ?? For the 3 of you posters who are unable to grasp that Thailand has to cater for all the disabled. Paths, transport, the caring, the ones who do not have chairs etc.

Where did I go wrong no one has explained that to me being a sympathizer and being disabled myself. What is with you people when a post can be manipulated in such a way and twisted in this way. Better you 3 try it on with a.n. other.

The heavy typed sentence sums it up transport AND disabled would be up the spout if all disabled wanted to get access to venues.

[kurnell]

That could be the post of the year.

Now what should be done is to try to identify the owner of the silver coloured car and prosecute him.

Thais park like this all over the country. I always have a spare key in my pocket.

[englishoak]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read between the lines. Must be you, if you cant see your post was badly penned thats not my problem.

I assume youll agree that the only ones being up the spout will be transport etc not the disabled. Since the disabled are already up the spout without access to nearly everywhere and anything they have nothing much to lose and everything to gain... yes or no ?

[doctorproc156]

What a sad state of affairs

[englishoak]

That could be the post of the year.

Now what should be done is to try to identify the owner of the silver coloured car and prosecute him.

Thais park like this all over the country. I always have a spare key in my pocket.

I just give the cars a shove, they hardly ever leave the handbrake on when its a flat surface and parked. Sometimes pushing a little too hard results in a dull thud but hey thats karma

[ginjag]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read between the lines. Must be you, if you cant see your post was badly penned thats not my problem.

I assume youll agree that the only ones being up the spout will be transport etc not the disabled. Since the disabled are already up the spout without access to nearly everywhere and anything they have nothing much to lose and everything to gain... yes or no ?

Oh yes it will HAVE to be me.

BOTH transport and Disabled are up the spout, the former for not catering--the latter for being disabled they are in the mire already and up the spout for not being able to get about.

Transport AND disabled have all to gain if paths and transport could cater. The biggest gain also would be the country concerned for not looking the other way and taking care of minorities. I am disabled but have better access to places because I am a westerner. I am thinking Thai now. Disabled--blind-mentally ill-homeless-aged--down syndrome. etc. Come on Thailand, get on the ball.