Immigration clarifies and confirms overstay crackdown

[ilocos]

For the poor lad bkkdawg, for whom I at least have empathy for, if he is caught before he makes it to the Laos border and is subsequently incarcerated in the IDC what would he legally be obliged to pay in the case of immigration staff promptly and courteously processing his deportation order?

IMHO the fine for overstaying (500 a day with a Max of 20k), and has to have a plane ticket back to his Home Country.

if he's arrested before he makes it to the border? I have heard of farang arrested paying much more than this. Is there a legitimate reason for paying much more? Must the arrested over stayer pay for his food and board on daily basis while incarcerated?

[MJCM]

For the poor lad bkkdawg, for whom I at least have empathy for, if he is caught before he makes it to the Laos border and is subsequently incarcerated in the IDC what would he legally be obliged to pay in the case of immigration staff promptly and courteously processing his deportation order?

IMHO the fine for overstaying (500 a day with a Max of 20k), and has to have a plane ticket back to his Home Country.

if he's arrested before he makes it to the border? I have heard of farang arrested paying much more than this. Is there a legitimate reason for paying much more? Must the arrested over stayer pay for his food and board on daily basis while incarcerated?

Yes, you will only get sent to IDC if you're caught

Sorry, but those other questions I can't answer, but maybe contact member KarenBravo as I can recall he has posted about staying in IDC and what I recall from them, "It wasn't nice"

Edit 1: Found some posts from him, start reading from here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/740819-overstay-arrest/?view=findpost&p=8072009

Edited July 12, 2014 by MJCM

[ilocos]

For the poor lad bkkdawg, for whom I at least have empathy for, if he is caught before he makes it to the Laos border and is subsequently incarcerated in the IDC what would he legally be obliged to pay in the case of immigration staff promptly and courteously processing his deportation order?

IMHO the fine for overstaying (500 a day with a Max of 20k), and has to have a plane ticket back to his Home Country.

if he's arrested before he makes it to the border? I have heard of farang arrested paying much more than this. Is there a legitimate reason for paying much more? Must the arrested over stayer pay for his food and board on daily basis while incarcerated?

Yes, you will only get sent to IDC if you're caught

Sorry, but those other questions I can't answer, but maybe contact member KarenBravo as I can recall he has posted about staying in IDC and what I recall from them, "It wasn't nice"

I have heard if you get caught judge will only fine you around 300 baht and waive the 20,000 baht but police want 120,000 baht commission. If some knowledgeable soul can post process and fees for arrested overstayers. It will help as many will not take heed of the current crackdown and be arrested.

[ubonjoe]

For the poor lad bkkdawg, for whom I at least have empathy for, if he is caught before he makes it to the Laos border and is subsequently incarcerated in the IDC what would he legally be obliged to pay in the case of immigration staff promptly and courteously processing his deportation order?

IMHO the fine for overstaying (500 a day with a Max of 20k), and has to have a plane ticket back to his Home Country.

if he's arrested before he makes it to the border? I have heard of farang arrested paying much more than this. Is there a legitimate reason for paying much more? Must the arrested over stayer pay for his food and board on daily basis while incarcerated?

Actually if caught with an overstay and sent to IDC the fine is lowered by the judge to about 10 to 12k baht from the 20k baht maximum fine.

Perhaps you have heard of people bribing their way out.

[smedly]

you know this clamp down on overstay doesn't surprise me at all

If you look at crimes reported in the news the last year or so involving falangs - they have almost all been on overstay/visa expired, I'm not saying all those on overstay are criminals but these statistics don't help

So once these rules kick in I think that police and local authorities are going to be actively stopping people and asking them for passport, something I've never really seen done here before, it does seem to be a natural next step for this process

If I was on overstay right now I'd be heading for the airport before it's too late JMO

[ilocos]

For the poor lad bkkdawg, for whom I at least have empathy for, if he is caught before he makes it to the Laos border and is subsequently incarcerated in the IDC what would he legally be obliged to pay in the case of immigration staff promptly and courteously processing his deportation order?

IMHO the fine for overstaying (500 a day with a Max of 20k), and has to have a plane ticket back to his Home Country.

if he's arrested before he makes it to the border? I have heard of farang arrested paying much more than this. Is there a legitimate reason for paying much more? Must the arrested over stayer pay for his food and board on daily basis while incarcerated?

Actually if caught with an overstay and sent to IDC the fine is lowered by the judge to about 10 to 12k baht from the 20k baht maximum fine.

Perhaps you have heard of people bribing their way out.

The person in question was on long overstay, 2 years, he turned himself in saying he wanted to sort the problem out, he was in IDC for 3 months until his brother could save up 120,000. 120,000 was required to facilitate deportation order. I have read link kindly provided. I would not recommend overstay to anyone. Advisable to leave a day early. And for those who think one day is no big deal. German related to royalty missed his flight to Hawaii on last day of visa was incarcerated and died in his cell deprived of medication. Never assume the immigration officer is having a good day. It's painful to hear some giving harmful advice with the shell be right mate attitude.

[ilocos]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my friends brother did. He was an English man. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely unlucky, but perhaps not with the reputation for vice this town has. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

Edited July 12, 2014 by ilocos

[MJCM]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my brothers mate did. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely lucky. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

Question, where did your brothers mate turn himself in ? Immigration or Police Station ?

And indeed, make your way to the airport with the money for the fine and a plane ticket, and when you arrive be as humble as you can be and say "sorry" a lot.

[thailiketoo]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my friends brother did. He was an English man. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely unlucky, but perhaps not with the reputation for vice this town has. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

You have never lived in Thailand. Don't live in Thailand now. The only posts you have ever made on Thai Visa have been about the supposed new visa rules. May I ask to what do you owe this expertise? And why are we so lucky to have you posting?

[ubonjoe]

I suspect there is more to the story about paying 120k baht and giving himself up. There would be no need for the deportation order if he was willing to leave of his own free will. They just escort you to the airport after you pay the fine and have a ticket out of the country.

There have been many posts on this forum about overstay the IDC and etc.

[ilocos]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my brothers mate did. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely lucky. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

Question, where did your brothers mate turn himself in ? Immigration or Police Station ?

And indeed, make your way to the airport with the money for the fine and a plane ticket, and when you arrive be as humble as you can be and say "sorry" a lot.

Immigration. The told him kindly to go away on his first visit. But he came back the next day to sort it out. On this day they arrested him. Perhaps he didn't have the 20,000 baht. I don't know.

[ilocos]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my brothers mate did. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely lucky. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

Question, where did your brothers mate turn himself in ? Immigration or Police Station ?

And indeed, make your way to the airport with the money for the fine and a plane ticket, and when you arrive be as humble as you can be and say "sorry" a lot.

Immigration. The told him kindly to go away on his first visit. But he came back the next day to sort it out. On this day they arrested him. Perhaps he didn't have the 20,000 baht. I don't know.

Is there any fee for the processing of deportation order for overstayer to pay, or speed the paper work up?

[Ironmike]

Think of all the money that will be lost. This doesn't seem like a good idea. Taking money out of an economy rarely makes it grow. Strange.

Actually that will have Thailand make money. Overstay fees, visa fees, immigration fees, money wired in, ED courses, visa trips and all the related expenses one sustains in relation to maintaining legal status.

And some guys marrying just for the purpose of staying. You know which is the direction of the money flow in these cases.

Thailand Immigration officers are making money on their incompedance, on the 6th of July my mother passed away and it was this date that my TR60 double entry was up, as you might understand I did not want to travel but I did go to the Phuket Immigration office and asked for a extention being that I was just plain upset the officer gave me a 90 day extention,, stamped and stapled into my passport, I thanked him and left.

I am opening a new company here and when I showed my passport to my Lawyer he told me I was an overstay with a 20,000baht fine, I unfortunatly on this site can not state the name of the officer but when I went back with a Thai person that can speak English he removed the document very quickly and denied anything to do with this, unfortunatly I copied the document and showed it to him and also my Lawyer and the Thai police all of which know this officer and called him on my behalf, but he just blamed the Falangs that volenteer.

Be very aware that the Phuket Immigration officers have no clue nor do they care if you have to pay 20K overstay fees for their incompetence, be careful.

[hullupullo]

Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

I think You are just some troll who are happy with new rules, staying in Penang or maybe farangland.

[paz]

Thailand Immigration officers are making money on their incompedance, on the 6th of July my mother passed away and it was this date that my TR60 double entry was up, as you might understand I did not want to travel but I did go to the Phuket Immigration office and asked for a extention being that I was just plain upset the officer gave me a 90 day extention,, stamped and stapled into my passport, I thanked him and left.

I am opening a new company here and when I showed my passport to my Lawyer he told me I was an overstay with a 20,000baht fine, I unfortunatly on this site can not state the name of the officer but when I went back with a Thai person that can speak English he removed the document very quickly and denied anything to do with this, unfortunatly I copied the document and showed it to him and also my Lawyer and the Thai police all of which know this officer and called him on my behalf, but he just blamed the Falangs that volenteer.

Be very aware that the Phuket Immigration officers have no clue nor do they care if you have to pay 20K overstay fees for their incompetence, be careful.

Condolences for your recent loss.

I understand the warning you are giving and that you did everything possible to remedy the problem, however there few things that do not seem 'to square'.

First of all, if your 60 days had received already a 30 days extension, you could only have obtained a 7 days extension, except truly exceptional circumstances (like being hospitalized).

Second, even if they did everything wrong and now you have to take the burden, your overstay from july 6th (assuming 2014) until e.g. tomorrow would be only 6 days, total 3,000 Bt fine at 500 Bt a day.

Last, when I did my extension in Phuket Town, I noticed that all applications had to get signature/approval by he head of the office, at that time a lady sitting in office most on the back. I could see that because the door to her office was left open. I find strange that the most senior position had not be called to review the matter and he could get away blaming a police volunteer that doesn't have any power or any stamp.

Edited July 12, 2014 by paz

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Sorry, but for me to understand better.

Before if you overstayed more than 40 days and up to whatever period after that, you had to pay 20,000 Baht to get out of Thailand, but you could come back any time you liked.

What is the change now?

You will be blacklisted and what?

You will not be able to come back to Thailand?

And for how long?

Do you still have to pay the 20K?

At the top of this thread there is a picture, click on it to enlarge and read it.

Or you can browse in the many other threads.

Of course one will still have to pay fines in all cases.

does this crackdown pertain to all foreigners or just westerners? (serious question)

With the exception of neighboring countries that have special agreements with the Thai government it would obviously apply to Asians, Europeans, Africans, Americans, et al.

Some of the recent brouhaha was supposedly aimed particularly at South Koreans and Russians, neither of which would be considered westerners.

Does anyone know if this harder rule will apply to children too ? if a child has just turned 12,, (but was overstayed MANY MANY months).
because children UNDER 12 are (or, at least WERE) exempt from punishment for overstaying.
so,, if a child was overstaying BEFORE he was 12,,, and then turns 12, they would have overstayed a LONG TIME.
do they risk blacklisting and not allowed to stay in Thailand for several years??

[kingalfred]

Any overstayers who are still in thailand now,playing with fire .Any after August 14? then if you want to return to Thailand you will have to change your name in all official docs ,eg passport,driving licence etc,and I mean legally change in your own country.

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[kingalfred]

Sorry, but for me to understand better.

Before if you overstayed more than 40 days and up to whatever period after that, you had to pay 20,000 Baht to get out of Thailand, but you could come back any time you liked.

What is the change now?

You will be blacklisted and what?

You will not be able to come back to Thailand?

And for how long?

Do you still have to pay the 20K?

At the top of this thread there is a picture, click on it to enlarge and read it.

Or you can browse in the many other threads.

Of course one will still have to pay fines in all cases.

does this crackdown pertain to all foreigners or just westerners? (serious question)

With the exception of neighboring countries that have special agreements with the Thai government it would obviously apply to Asians, Europeans, Africans, Americans, et al.

Some of the recent brouhaha was supposedly aimed particularly at South Koreans and Russians, neither of which would be considered westerners.

Does anyone know if this harder rule will apply to children too ? if a child has just turned 12,, (but was overstayed MANY MANY months).

because children UNDER 12 are (or, at least WERE) exempt from punishment for overstaying.

so,, if a child was overstaying BEFORE he was 12,,, and then turns 12, they would have overstayed a LONG TIME.

do they risk blacklisting and not allowed to stay in Thailand for several years??

A relative of gfriends who works imm at chaeng wattana says the new guys running the show appointed by the military are wanting strict enforcement of this overstay rule.

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[MrWorldwide]

Anyway I would advise affected people not to turn themselves in as my friends brother did. He was an English man. He was only arrested and incarcerated for 3 months. I won't say what town but ill give you a hint - this town is known for its many ladies. Guess he was extremely unlucky, but perhaps not with the reputation for vice this town has. Make your way to airport firstly or land border as second choice. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this advice.

You have never lived in Thailand. Don't live in Thailand now. The only posts you have ever made on Thai Visa have been about the supposed new visa rules. May I ask to what do you owe this expertise? And why are we so lucky to have you posting?

I'd also like an answer to the above questions - the board member in question seems to have descended on most of the current threads in the wake of the crackdown with a wealth of 'advice' and I'd be interested to know what that advice is based on. A previous swipe at the 'bully boys' would suggest that he isnt happy to be called out on any of his advice but as I have no desire to see this thread closed I'll leave it there.

[intrepidphil]

Do you know if the new rules include children under 12 years?

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[ilocos]

Is there anything members could do to mitigate the consequences of arrest on the way to border or airport to pay their overstay fees in Thailand? How could they prepare if they were unlucky. I guess having a Thai person to represent them in such matters. I ask many questions as I have limited knowledge. I ask these questions hoping answers will help members.

[ubonjoe]

Do you know if the new rules include children under 12 years?

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Children under the age of 15 do not pay overstay fines at this time. That is because they are not old enough to be responsible for their actions in regards to to visas and etc. Their parents are responsible.

In my opinion the same rules will apply and they will not be banned from the country because of their parents negligence.

[thailiketoo]

Is there anything members could do to mitigate the consequences of arrest on the way to border or airport to pay their overstay fees in Thailand? How could they prepare if they were unlucky. I guess having a Thai person to represent them in such matters. I ask many questions as I have limited knowledge. I ask these questions hoping answers will help members.

You are a Malaysian guy who has never been to Thailand. Why do you want to help Farang living in Thailand who overstay visas?

[ubonjoe]

Is there anything members could do to mitigate the consequences of arrest on the way to border or airport to pay their overstay fees in Thailand? How could they prepare if they were unlucky. I guess having a Thai person to represent them in such matters. I ask many questions as I have limited knowledge. I ask these questions hoping answers will help members.

Having the money to pay the overstay fine and 1900 baht to apply for 7 days to leave the country could reduce the time spent being detained.

If on the way to the airport having a ticket out of the country would help.

[ilocos]

Is there anything members could do to mitigate the consequences of arrest on the way to border or airport to pay their overstay fees in Thailand? How could they prepare if they were unlucky. I guess having a Thai person to represent them in such matters. I ask many questions as I have limited knowledge. I ask these questions hoping answers will help members.

Having the money to pay the overstay fine and 1900 baht to apply for 7 days to leave the country could reduce the time spent being detained.

If on the way to the airport having a ticket out of the country would help.

Thanking you for your unceasing fraternal support and concern for your members. You are sowing the seeds of good karma. Extremely good advice you have given to overstayers on the way out.

[Ironmike]

Thailand Immigration officers are making money on their incompedance, on the 6th of July my mother passed away and it was this date that my TR60 double entry was up, as you might understand I did not want to travel but I did go to the Phuket Immigration office and asked for a extention being that I was just plain upset the officer gave me a 90 day extention,, stamped and stapled into my passport, I thanked him and left.

I am opening a new company here and when I showed my passport to my Lawyer he told me I was an overstay with a 20,000baht fine, I unfortunatly on this site can not state the name of the officer but when I went back with a Thai person that can speak English he removed the document very quickly and denied anything to do with this, unfortunatly I copied the document and showed it to him and also my Lawyer and the Thai police all of which know this officer and called him on my behalf, but he just blamed the Falangs that volenteer.

Be very aware that the Phuket Immigration officers have no clue nor do they care if you have to pay 20K overstay fees for their incompetence, be careful.

Condolences for your recent loss.

I understand the warning you are giving and that you did everything possible to remedy the problem, however there few things that do not seem 'to square'.

First of all, if your 60 days had received already a 30 days extension, you could only have obtained a 7 days extension, except truly exceptional circumstances (like being hospitalized).

Second, even if they did everything wrong and now you have to take the burden, your overstay from july 6th (assuming 2014) until e.g. tomorrow would be only 6 days, total 3,000 Bt fine at 500 Bt a day.

Last, when I did my extension in Phuket Town, I noticed that all applications had to get signature/approval by he head of the office, at that time a lady sitting in office most on the back. I could see that because the door to her office was left open. I find strange that the most senior position had not be called to review the matter and he could get away blaming a police volunteer that doesn't have any power or any stamp.

Sorry it was June 6th not July and to let people know they have now changed the way things are done you no longer have to fill out the extention forms they now put it onto a computer and print out the extention form which brings me to another question, Why is it that the computer does not bring up a warning or tell the officer to inform the person sitting in front of them that they must leave or face an over stay????? it would seem to me that would be the smart way of doing it, I will be leaving soon but I hope the copied document showing the Immigration mistake will stop me from getting locked up and ripped off.

[kingalfred]

Do you know if the new rules include children under 12 years?

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it says "all aliens " so I guess

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[Mario2008]

Do you know if the new rules include children under 12 years?

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it says "all aliens " so I guess

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Children are exempt from overstay punishment. It is a simple consequence of the Thai criminal code, which limits criminal liability of children under the age of 15.

[thailiketoo]

OP, "After Thaivisa.com broke the story on Monday that individuals who overtay for more than 90 days will be blacklisted, Lt Gen Thatchai Pitaneelaboot, commander of Immigration Bureau’s Region 6 division, has confirmed the proposal to start blacklisting some overstayers has been submitted to the Ministry of Interior for approval reports the Phuket Gazette."

I read a report that the Ministry of the Interior will no longer have jurisdiction over the Immigration Bureau. Anyone else read it? I Think it said that Immigration would be controlled by the PM. Anyone else see it or know anything about the police promotion shake up? I think it was in NCPO orders 87 through 89.

[bigsteve]

Just seen this from a Thai friend. Not sure where it originated from.

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