Video of Thai police slapping murder-rape suspect causes stir

[metisdead]

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[JockPieandBeans]

GAZZPA

" Let me give you another scenario. What would happen if the accused gets off and is set free because his defense lawyer says the confession was beaten out of him and is not admissible in court? Now lets say that he is guilty of this crime and he is now walking free ready to rape and kill someone else's daughter. Will you be patting the policeman on the back then? Would you still be singing the same tune? "

Try looking at Thai Social Media.

He will not walk free. Neither will he rape or kill again.

If he is guilty I hope you're right.

But you or I are not the judge or jury so you cannot say that it is impossible. Public pressure is one thing, a court room is another. Isn't it better that the police show restraint, however hard it may be and be sure that there is no risk of him escaping justice due to a stupid slap recorded on a mobile?

GAZZPA

I am being neither Judge nor Jury.

You misunderstood me. If you check Thai Social Media, even if he walks free, he will probably not last long.

[GAZZPA]

GAZZPA

" Let me give you another scenario. What would happen if the accused gets off and is set free because his defense lawyer says the confession was beaten out of him and is not admissible in court? Now lets say that he is guilty of this crime and he is now walking free ready to rape and kill someone else's daughter. Will you be patting the policeman on the back then? Would you still be singing the same tune? "

Try looking at Thai Social Media.

He will not walk free. Neither will he rape or kill again.

If he is guilty I hope you're right.

But you or I are not the judge or jury so you cannot say that it is impossible. Public pressure is one thing, a court room is another. Isn't it better that the police show restraint, however hard it may be and be sure that there is no risk of him escaping justice due to a stupid slap recorded on a mobile?

GAZZPA

I am being neither Judge nor Jury.

You misunderstood me. If you check Thai Social Media, even if he walks free, he will probably not last long.

Oh, I see, yes I misunderstood you.

Well, lets hope he is guilty then because whatever happens it looks like he's brown bread.

[FangFerang]

Now we have a haunted train...in a superstitious country..

How FUBAR is that?

PS: All mad dogs should be quietly put to sleep.

[japsportscarmad]

Cattle prod costs money, and uses electricity more environment friendly is the water boarding it's not illegal just ask the US

[jcisco]

Don't see any problem here!!

Except that the guy is just a suspect!

If he's done what they think he's done, he deserves more than a slap or a 25 years behind the bars, but there hasn't been a conviction yet.

What you really mean is "If he has done what he has confessed to have done and if the DNA test at present being done are positive......"

This so called suspect has already told the police he did it, he has told them how he did I, he has shown them how he did it, he told a friend he did it, he showed the friend the girls phone which he took when he killed her, he sold the phone which was then traced to the buyer who told the police who he bought it from.

With the pending DNA evidence, should it be positive, that would seem very compelling evidence.

I somehow doubt a slap on the head could mitigate that amount of evidence

His defense so far appears to be that he had been drinking and taking drugs.

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In the west your suggested defense has already been tried and tested and can only succeed if a diminished capacity can be shown. In this case, quite the opposite has been displayed by the accused. As in covering up one crime by another crime, as in murder, disposing of her body after the rape.

Tell me now, what defense?

And now tell me when in your life has drinking or drug taking ever left you even borderline to committing such a disgusting act of violence as this. Drugs and Booze aren't ever the the damn reason or the excuse, and here comes the diminished capacity bit, unless your brain throws a fuze and melts down.

And even then, while your completed brain tarded, the behaviour is nothing like this. Violent yes, but not covering up and profiting.

Edited July 12, 2014 by jcisco

[SunsetT]

I dread to think what the Thai police do after arrest behind closed doors given an incident I witnessed on a Bangkok-Udon night train a few years ago. I understand that all Thai trains have a policeman on board. I saw the train policeman hit a 40 odd yr old Englishman as hard as he could twice in the restaurant car for no apparent reason. I'd been in the car over an hour and all the guy was doing was having a few beers with 3 other farangs at a table 2 rows behind me. From their animated conversation I could see they'd had a few beers but I couldn't hear them or see any rowdy behaviour and they were keeping to themselves. Later I noticed a young Thai train steward looking annoyed and saying something to the policeman sat across the aisle from me while pointing back towards the farangs. The policeman acknowledged the steward but carried on the crack he'd been having with 2 Thai men at his table in the same spirit as the offending 'farang' and his companions. A few minutes later, I noticed the steward again complaining to the policeman while gesturing towards the oblivious farangs behind them. The policeman then got up and walked back to the 4 farangs. I heard the policeman shouting at them/him. When I glanced behind the cop was looking through what looked like the mans wallet, and the man was holding his palms upwards with his face expressing bewildered innocence. The cop soon returned to his seat and began casually looking thru the man's passport. After a minute or 2, out of the corner of my eye I noticed the Englishman slowly approaching the seated policeman from behind up the central aisle. The cop suddenly sprang up flailing one arm back to hit the man hard in the face knocking him backwards. He then shouted and pointed "Sit down", which the man did. The cop returned to his seat and continued going thru the passport and after 5 minutes of discussion with the angry steward, they both got up and escorted the farang out of the carriage. He went obediently. The cop returned shortly after and continued the 'sanook' with his mates at the table opposite mine. I presumed that the Englishman had been escorted to his bunk for an early night, but about 15 mins later I cringed as he staggered back into the carriage to stand opposite the cop demanding his passport back. He didnt shout, he wasnt showing anger, although he did say: '....and if u hit me again, I'll put u thru that <deleted> window'. I doubt if the cop understood as he didnt react. The Englishman sat down opposite the cop and continued to ask for his passport back and asking what he had done, and he kept repeating: 'Ive done nothing'. I heard the cop say: "passport in morning", then after a minute or 2 he again sprang up and stormed past the man out of the carriage, but as he passed he hit him hard again in the face. The man stood up stunned, wiped the blood which started to trickle from his mouth, turned and staggered off after the cop. After a while, on leaving the carriage I asked a Thai woman I'd previously exchanged small talk with what he had done. She replied simply" Too much talking"!!! I also asked the young farang couple who had been sat at the table directly opposite the man and his friends the same question. They had no idea!

Edited July 12, 2014 by metisdead

[kevozman1]

I am surprised this got much of a response from Thais at all. I have personally seen Thai police officers be way more physical involving much less serious incidents. If it was a western country incident I could understand the uproar with the levels of respect for human rights and disciplined police forces, especially as a confession was given, but in Thailand a bit of 'roughing up' so to speak seems to be very common with police. Not that I personally think it's the right way for a police force to operate, but it certainly seems to be the reality.

Edited July 12, 2014 by kevozman1

[Shurup]

Looks familiar. ..

Sent from one of my mobiles, whatever mobile it is.

[GAZZPA]

Don't see any problem here!!

Except that the guy is just a suspect!

If he's done what they think he's done, he deserves more than a slap or a 25 years behind the bars, but there hasn't been a conviction yet.

What you really mean is "If he has done what he has confessed to have done and if the DNA test at present being done are positive......"

This so called suspect has already told the police he did it, he has told them how he did I, he has shown them how he did it, he told a friend he did it, he showed the friend the girls phone which he took when he killed her, he sold the phone which was then traced to the buyer who told the police who he bought it from.

With the pending DNA evidence, should it be positive, that would seem very compelling evidence.

I somehow doubt a slap on the head could mitigate that amount of evidence

His defense so far appears to be that he had been drinking and taking drugs.

.

In the west your suggested defense has already been tried and tested and can only succeed if a diminished capacity can be shown. In this case, quite the opposite has been displayed by the accused. As in covering up one crime by another crime, as in murder, disposing of her body after the rape.

Tell me now, what defense?

And now tell me when in your life has drinking or drug taking ever left you even borderline to committing such a disgusting act of violence as this. Drugs and Booze aren't ever the the damn reason or the excuse, and here comes the diminished capacity bit, unless your brain throws a fuze and melts down.

And even then, while your completed brain tarded, the behaviour is nothing like this. Violent yes, but not covering up and profiting.

Your medical references such as "brain throws a fuze and melts down" and "completed brain tarded" suggests you have extensive knowledge in human behavior whilst under the influence of a cocktails of drugs.!

You are placing assumption on assumption and like everyone else here you don't know if this guys is guilty or innocent, at least not yet.

I really hope that they have the right people. I hope this is just not some poor drug addict having a confession beaten out of him. I hope that due to the political pressure being applied to get a result quickly in this globally publicized tragic murder they haven't just found some incoherent sap to take the fall.

Isn't that the most important thing really. That the guilty are brought to justice. So, its better we don't all condemn this guys right now and wait to see what happens.

[Simons3]

Just an observation, but it looks to me like the suspect was not paying attention.. VERY disrespectful to the senior Police officer talking to him, so his Subordinate woke him up. And I'm not sure about all these comments about police being stupid and the slap possibly damaging the case... We are talking about Thailand right ?

[UbonRatch]

I've seen worse by Thai teachers, in Thai classrooms.. this is nothing.

Edit: A video of them cropping off his tosser would well be worth distribution.

i understand the feelings of the police officer and the cyber lynch mob, but in many court systems in the western world such treatment and a video to prove it on the internet could lead to this guy walking.

But we aren't in a Western world, are we? We are not in a first-world country, are we? I would suggest that this, being a third-world country, changes a massive slant on matters, despite our own understanding of what is perceived as 'normal', does it not?

[Paulzed]

Why do some people have no issue with hitting mischievous children?

But when a confessed rapist/murderer gets a clip behind the ear there is a big problem? then all of the do gooders and tree huggers come out of the woodwork crying foul play?

Rape and murder of a child is one of the most heinous crimes, when confessed or found guilty the perpetrator should be given no quarter, and the do-gooders that stick up for him, should be given a swift kick up the backside and be told to thank their lucky stars that it wasn't their child that was raped and killed.

[Arkady]

The only thing remarkable about the police assault on the suspect is that it was circulated on social media. Whether right or wrong one imagines that varying degrees of violence are routinely used against handcuffed suspects in police custody, not to mention rapes that have been reported against illegal female workers from neighbouring countries while in Thai police cells.

On the positive side the police forensics seem to have established the suspect's involvement with the crimes, so his confession will not be pivotal to the case. In other countries police torture and forced confession would amount to improper police arresting procedures and would negate the case but I don't think this in applicable in Thailand.

[JockPieandBeans]

I've seen worse by Thai teachers, in Thai classrooms.. this is nothing.

Edit: A video of them cropping off his tosser would well be worth distribution.

i understand the feelings of the police officer and the cyber lynch mob, but in many court systems in the western world such treatment and a video to prove it on the internet could lead to this guy walking.

But we aren't in a Western world, are we? We are not in a first-world country, are we? I would suggest that this, being a third-world country, changes a massive slant on matters, despite our own understanding of what is perceived as 'normal', does it not?

My sentiments exactly.

As already posted on page 3 of this thread.

[Jip66]

Don't see any problem here!!

Except that the guy is just a suspect!

If he's done what they think he's done, he deserves more than a slap or a 25 years behind the bars, but there hasn't been a conviction yet.

He confessed.

And now that confession is suspect since this video came out....

[jcisco]

Your medical references such as "brain throws a fuze and melts down" and "completed brain tarded" suggests you have extensive knowledge in human behavior whilst under the influence of a cocktails of drugs.!

No it does not suggest that, it may suggest that unfortunately I have watched a particular person in my life abuse drugs until they triggered a psychotic episode (throwing a fuse). After that dust has settled many hours later he was in prison and the rest of us all to the hospital for various injuries.

And for those who want to know he was simply smoking weed and drinking beer.

In the end turns out this particular dude had or induced underlying psychiatric factors that caused him to go completely off the rails into an episode.

EDIT: And furthermore to your statement, it would not be a bad thing to be speaking from first hand experience rather than in any other distant sense.

Edited July 13, 2014 by jcisco

[GAZZPA]

Your medical references such as "brain throws a fuze and melts down" and "completed brain tarded" suggests you have extensive knowledge in human behavior whilst under the influence of a cocktails of drugs.!

No it does not suggest that, it may suggest that unfortunately I have watched a particular person in my life abuse drugs until they triggered a psychotic episode (throwing a fuse). After that dust has settled many hours later he was in prison and the rest of us all to the hospital for various injuries.

And for those who want to know he was simply smoking weed and drinking beer.

In the end turns out this particular dude had or induced underlying psychiatric factors that caused him to go completely off the rails into an episode.

EDIT: And furthermore to your statement, it would not be a bad thing to be speaking from first hand experience rather than in any other distant sense.

I have first hand experience of someone having a serious episode whilst under the influence. On one occasion I spent all night watching over someone who periodically leapt off the couch they were sleeping on running around the house trying to escape screaming in terror.

Anyway, its clear neither you or I are doctors and we don't know what we are really talking about..

I just hope that this is the right guy, if it is then justice can be done and he can live out his miserable existence behind bars.

[Tokay]

Assuming his is actually guilty and not just forced into a confession, I don't care how they treat him. However, none of us know if he was forced into a confession or not. This is Thailand, anything is possible.

[MarkCyr]

I'm inclined to say that the slap on the head wasn't enough. A full-on punch to the face to knock his teeth out might have been more appropriate. Just for starters.

[edwarda909]

For those who condone this behavior by the police, do you not know the meaning of the concept of "due process"? Approval and not prosecuting the policeman steps over a line that begins a slippery slope leading to the establishment of a state like China.

[Nickymaster]

for me it looks more like beating on the head, than slapping.

slapping is with an open hand on a skin, this one is violently punching on the back head, so it moves.

surely, a case for an officer dismissal. Firstly, for beating a detainee, secondly for recording it on his mobile and publishing online. Breach of regulations.

defense lawyer might use it in the court case as intimidation

Just a tap to wake him up and get him to pay attention.

Correct! That's what we and the judges see in the video. It will not affect his sentence and therefor all those comments regarding torturing and legal consequences of the police's actions are over the top. ‪

[metisdead]

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[sirineou]

Don't see any problem here!!

You don't?

The Police officer has already determined quilt, and is administering punishment, and you don't see a problem with that?

[technologybytes]

Very unprofessional. But what do you expect in the 3rd world..

One of the dumbest comments for months...

Yes, but one of the most sensible comments on this thread..

[BlueSkyCowboy]

for me it looks more like beating on the head, than slapping.

slapping is with an open hand on a skin, this one is violently punching on the back head, so it moves.

surely, a case for an officer dismissal. Firstly, for beating a detainee, secondly for recording it on his mobile and publishing online. Breach of regulations.

defense lawyer might use it in the court case as intimidation

A bleeding heart liberal who lived in the US too long. Always protect the criminal just like "can't we just all get along together Rodney" and give him a million Dollars.

[japsportscarmad]

All nonses should get a big slap every day, that's why the segregate them in prison in the UK

Edited October 26, 2014 by japsportscarmad

[Fatty123]

Innocent until proven guilty, so it 'shouldn't' happen.

However, he may have had to pick this girl's remains off the tracks, talk to the family or witnessed her being 'bagged up'. No matter how many times they see bad stuff, no human with any feelings can be immune to emotion at witnessing such horror.

To be fair, this is not a Thai thing in this case. Sometimes they KNOW who's done the crime and just lose it. They shouldn't, but in cases of child rape/murder (and knowing that they have their guilty man in front of them) cops can lose it. In any country.

I'm not one for defending the RTP (look at my posts on Koh Tao), but I can 'sort of' understand how this happened. Some of us may have done the same thing under the same circumstances.

[japsportscarmad]

Indeed Fatty true

[Hisseho]

Dear friend, would you be kind enough to confess the author of the heinous crime brings you here ...