Worst-Case Scenario

[Pablo McD]

Ok: Let's say:

Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)

1.What happens to your bags out on the carousel? do you kiss goodbye to you luggage? do they go with you to collect them or ,send your bags back into the arrivals area ?

2.I guess you just book a flight from the arrivals area and go to a new international flight from there? maybe stay a long time stranded behind immigration.

Anyone know how it works in the "Worst-Case Scenario"? Sorry, I'm not trying to be negative, just want to know in case it ever happens, fair or not.

P

[TerryLH]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

[ldnguy]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

2 or 3 entries is multiple entry. I think you're a little confused abut what multiple means.

[ldnguy]

Of course they will give you your luggage. What do you think they will do, steal it from you? Get some sense of proportion.

They have no reason to deny you entry. You are arriving by air with a valid visa and also have a flight booked out of the country.

[MJCM]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

2 or 3 entries is multiple entry. I think you're a little confused abut what multiple means.

Sorry, but 2-3 is just what it says it is, if you get a Multiple Entry the number of Entries is Listed a M. The M for .......

Ps: if you have M entries you could (if you want) come and go every day (while the visa is still valid). So suppose you have a Visa which is valid for 90 days, with a M you could go and come back to Thailand as many times you wish, but with a 2-3 entry, you only can leave and come back a max. of (you guessed it (hopefully)) 2-3 times (equal to number of entries), after that the visa cant be used anymore to enter Thailand and is stamped "USED"

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[Tomtomtom69]

I would think you should be able to convince the officers you are genuine before they can deny you. They can't just say, sorry we don't like you, buzz off, don't talk to us. Rather, they might ask you for proof of funds and an outbound ticket. Present one or both of these and you'll be on your way.

If however, you didn't have anything to show and you had no means of proving you are a legitimate tourist, then they could deny you entry. In which case I'm sure they would let you collect your luggage and then you'd be escorted to your outbound flight.

[MJCM]

If however, you didn't have anything to show and you had no means of proving you are a legitimate tourist, then they could deny you entry. In which case I'm sure they would let you collect your luggage and then you'd be escorted to your outbound flight.

The airline which brought you to Thailand will be I think responsible for taking you back where you came from before you landed in Thailand, so if the airline only flies to Thailand 3 times a week, be prepared for a long stay in the Airport. (Tom Hanks springs to mind )

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[Tomtomtom69]

If however, you didn't have anything to show and you had no means of proving you are a legitimate tourist, then they could deny you entry. In which case I'm sure they would let you collect your luggage and then you'd be escorted to your outbound flight.

The airline which brought you to Thailand will be I think responsible for taking you back where you came from before you landed in Thailand, so if the airline only flies to Thailand 3 times a week, be prepared for a long stay in the Airport. (Tom Hanks springs to mind )

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Yes but perhaps you'd be able to buy another ticket for a more imminent flight and leave that way. It sounds absurd that you wouldn't be able to do that given how many flight there are from Suvarnabhumi.

[Gulfsailor]

Baggage claim is after immigration. So my guess is they'll take your baggage tag and ask someone from the airline you fly out with to get your luggage from the belt and check it in for you on your flight out.

[Pablo McD]

Thanks all for your tips, Idnguy gave me a boost when he said, basically, get a grip. I had seen the earlier post "Tourist visa holders denied entry" at the southern border and it's been bugging me all day. I wonder if they had proof like i have, return tickets, work contracts etc....

I apologize for my confusing description, yes it would be tourist visa 60 days(90 days valid) with 3 entries, which will take me 6 months to complete anyway as I will be away working. I travel to a lot of countries so i just refer to multi-entry as a general term for that kind of visa.

I guess I will be asking in the near future if a bonafide and regular long term tourist who spends a lot of money here (not working) is something they want.

Either way i respect Thai Culture and would probably opt to do voluntary work on my breaks here as a genuine choice if not.

P

[mataleo]

Once when i arrived in Suvarnabhum i was asked show 20 000 inhad 10k Lady pointed on airplane and said HHOOOOOMEEEE. That was end of conbersation, NEXT.!

[AYJAYDEE]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

2 or 3 entries is multiple entry. I think you're a little confused abut what multiple means.

Sorry, but 2-3 is just what it says it is, if you get a Multiple Entry the number of Entries is Listed a M. The M for .......

Ps: if you have M entries you could (if you want) come and go every day (while the visa is still valid). So suppose you have a Visa which is valid for 90 days, with a M you could go and come back to Thailand as many times you wish, but with a 2-3 entry, you only can leave and come back a max. of (you guessed it (hopefully)) 2-3 times (equal to number of entries), after that the visa cant be used anymore to enter Thailand and is stamped "USED"

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i get your point but you should have used the term MULTI _ENTRY. muliple can just mean more than one

[Gulfsailor]

Interesting (scary) story of what happens if you are refused entry to Israel;

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-feel-more-arab-or-more-american-two-arab-american-womens-story-of-being-detained-and-interrogated-at-ben-gurion.html

I guess/hope Thailand is a bit friendlier when refusing someone entry!

[MJCM]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

2 or 3 entries is multiple entry. I think you're a little confused abut what multiple means.

Sorry, but 2-3 is just what it says it is, if you get a Multiple Entry the number of Entries is Listed a M. The M for .......

Ps: if you have M entries you could (if you want) come and go every day (while the visa is still valid). So suppose you have a Visa which is valid for 90 days, with a M you could go and come back to Thailand as many times you wish, but with a 2-3 entry, you only can leave and come back a max. of (you guessed it (hopefully)) 2-3 times (equal to number of entries), after that the visa cant be used anymore to enter Thailand and is stamped "USED"

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i get your point but you should have used the term MULTI _ENTRY. muliple can just mean more than one

Your MULTI_ENTRY Is just short for Multiple Entry. And IMHO that multiple means more than one is exactly why its used and not 1,2,5,8,10,99 etc.

Respect

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[ukrules]

Once when i arrived in Suvarnabhum i was asked show 20 000 inhad 10k Lady pointed on airplane and said HHOOOOOMEEEE. That was end of conbersation, NEXT.!

Wow, that's not very polite of them. They've never asked me about any money and I've arrived in Thailand lots of times over the last 18 years or so.

I was asked if I had more than $10k in cash on me by Customs on the way into the US once.

[AYJAYDEE]

Your MULTI_ENTRY Is just short for Multiple Entry. And IMHO that multiple means more than one is exactly why its used and not 1,2,5,8,10,99 etc.

Respect

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your definition is your definition. you were however questioning HIS definition. the term used by immigration is multi when they mean as many as necessary

[MJCM]

Your MULTI_ENTRY Is just short for Multiple Entry. And IMHO that multiple means more than one is exactly why its used and not 1,2,5,8,10,99 etc.

Respect

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your definition is your definition. you were however questioning HIS definition. the term used by immigration is multi when they mean as many as necessary

When counting you are correct but not in Entries for a visa 55555

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[IBoldnewguy]

Interesting (scary) story of what happens if you are refused entry to Israel;

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-feel-more-arab-or-more-american-two-arab-american-womens-story-of-being-detained-and-interrogated-at-ben-gurion.html

I guess/hope Thailand is a bit friendlier when refusing someone entry!

That was a very interesting story. The scary thing was not their treatment but their lack of knowledge. They did not know that once they arrived at a foreign destination that US rules and laws did not apply. They did not research and know prior to their trip what the US Embassy would or would not do for them if they had a problem. They did not know that Israel had a strict policy for not allowing possible terrorists into their country (just as most countries do). It does not seem rational that they, being of Arab heritage, would believe they would be allowed in as exceptions to the profile simply because they had US passports.

They did not have the rational sense to understand that getting into a pissing match with an immigration agent was not the right thing to do. They did not understand that the questions being asked by immigration were for a purpose and not just casual conversation. (I would have claimed that I considered myself a 100% American even though I was of Arab heritage.) I did think it ironic that because she got her panties in such a wad over her rights she was required to remove them.

The more I read the story the more her account did not make rational sense. And then I looked at the side stories on the web site that published the story and it comes across as politically pro Arab/Gaza/Hamas. The story comes across as more propaganda than rational fact.

Why would an Israeli immigration agent not have questioned them? That's their job and purpose; after all, most of us know that those who fit a profile are not trying to blow up non-believers. ....don't we?

[Maestro]

i get your point but you should have used the term MULTI _ENTRY. muliple can just mean more than one

In my personal experience, it is always helpful to use the same terminology used by the bureaucracy -- in this case the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the consulates, immigration -- and they are using "multiple" in their English texts.

[Gulfsailor]

Interesting (scary) story of what happens if you are refused entry to Israel;

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-feel-more-arab-or-more-american-two-arab-american-womens-story-of-being-detained-and-interrogated-at-ben-gurion.html

I guess/hope Thailand is a bit friendlier when refusing someone entry!

That was a very interesting story. The scary thing was not their treatment but their lack of knowledge. They did not know that once they arrived at a foreign destination that US rules and laws did not apply. They did not research and know prior to their trip what the US Embassy would or would not do for them if they had a problem. They did not know that Israel had a strict policy for not allowing possible terrorists into their country (just as most countries do). It does not seem rational that they, being of Arab heritage, would believe they would be allowed in as exceptions to the profile simply because they had US passports.

They did not have the rational sense to understand that getting into a pissing match with an immigration agent was not the right thing to do. They did not understand that the questions being asked by immigration were for a purpose and not just casual conversation. (I would have claimed that I considered myself a 100% American even though I was of Arab heritage.) I did think it ironic that because she got her panties in such a wad over her rights she was required to remove them.

The more I read the story the more her account did not make rational sense. And then I looked at the side stories on the web site that published the story and it comes across as politically pro Arab/Gaza/Hamas. The story comes across as more propaganda than rational fact.

Why would an Israeli immigration agent not have questioned them? That's their job and purpose; after all, most of us know that those who fit a profile are not trying to blow up non-believers. ....don't we?

Easy there. It was anecdotal story linked to this topic. Google and you'll find hundreds of similar stories. Most actually against young people with German last names. This story indicated she was born in America but her parents are Arab. But I guess Israelis held that against her as well. Not for me to judge the reasons of refusal and I agree that any country can refuse any non citizen for whatever reason they want. It's just how they deal with the refusal process. In that regard I expect Thailand to go a bit better than Israel.

[simon43]

Either way i respect Thai Culture and would probably opt to do voluntary work on my breaks here as a genuine choice if not.

Hope you get a Work Permit for that....

[John1thru10]

If however, you didn't have anything to show and you had no means of proving you are a legitimate tourist, then they could deny you entry. In which case I'm sure they would let you collect your luggage and then you'd be escorted to your outbound flight.

The airline which brought you to Thailand will be I think responsible for taking you back where you came from before you landed in Thailand, so if the airline only flies to Thailand 3 times a week, be prepared for a long stay in the Airport. (Tom Hanks springs to mind )

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Yes but perhaps you'd be able to buy another ticket for a more imminent flight and leave that way. It sounds absurd that you wouldn't be able to do that given how many flight there are from Suvarnabhumi.

Also, one wouldn't probably enjoy the experience of an airline forced to take you back - they would certainly try to charge you, and at maximum everything.

[DerkMR]

i get your point but you should have used the term MULTI _ENTRY. muliple can just mean more than one

In my personal experience, it is always helpful to use the same terminology used by the bureaucracy -- in this case the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the consulates, immigration -- and they are using "multiple" in their English texts.

For Tourist Visa "multiple" is just not existing and if you go to a consulate or embassy and ask for a Tourist Multiple they will say that there isn't such thing.

Tourist is T1, T2 or T3 - point.

Bye,

Derk

[tpazzi]

Once when i arrived in Suvarnabhum i was asked show 20 000. I had 10k Lady pointed on airplane and said HHOOOOOMEEEE. That was end of conversation, NEXT.!

Interesting. Does it have to be in Baht or will they be satisfied if you can show an equivalent amount in another currency, say, USD?

[John1thru10]

Interesting (scary) story of what happens if you are refused entry to Israel;

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-feel-more-arab-or-more-american-two-arab-american-womens-story-of-being-detained-and-interrogated-at-ben-gurion.html

I guess/hope Thailand is a bit friendlier when refusing someone entry!

That was a very interesting story. The scary thing was not their treatment but their lack of knowledge. They did not know that once they arrived at a foreign destination that US rules and laws did not apply. They did not research and know prior to their trip what the US Embassy would or would not do for them if they had a problem. They did not know that Israel had a strict policy for not allowing possible terrorists into their country (just as most countries do). It does not seem rational that they, being of Arab heritage, would believe they would be allowed in as exceptions to the profile simply because they had US passports.

They did not have the rational sense to understand that getting into a pissing match with an immigration agent was not the right thing to do. They did not understand that the questions being asked by immigration were for a purpose and not just casual conversation. (I would have claimed that I considered myself a 100% American even though I was of Arab heritage.) I did think it ironic that because she got her panties in such a wad over her rights she was required to remove them.

The more I read the story the more her account did not make rational sense. And then I looked at the side stories on the web site that published the story and it comes across as politically pro Arab/Gaza/Hamas. The story comes across as more propaganda than rational fact.

Why would an Israeli immigration agent not have questioned them? That's their job and purpose; after all, most of us know that those who fit a profile are not trying to blow up non-believers. ....don't we?

As an American, who had just been there to give a concert for a month a few years ago, I had a horrible, horrible experience when exiting as normal throught he airport in Tel Aviv. They destroyed my laptop by trying to pry it open with a screwdriver to see what was inside (there being nothing unusual about it), and actually tried to tell me that having a laptop was a very suspicious activity. They were pushing me (these kids with their machine guns) and destroying my mac in front of my eyes, and when I finally sort of half shouted in frustration (be careful!, kind of thing), they strip searched me just for the purpose of intimidation. There wasn't anything suspicious or worth notice about me, just some very angry kids in charge of security that day, it seemed.

[kingstonkid]

I think the obvious worst case would be you have a 60 day visa that has expired. You have gone to Singapore for a holiday (3-5 days)0 get a new 60 day visa and arrive at DMK with no proof of funds or no itinerary for a visit.

GF is waiting for you outside.

If that is the case then yes they would let you get your bags that you have with you but everything else you have in country would be lost until you can get a visa in a few months.

The challenge is going to be how long do you have to be out of the country so it does not look like you are hopping on the 60 day visa.

Thanking the powers that be that i am a dirty old pathetic codger that was smart enough to have a job with a good pension.

[garyinhuahin]

Interesting point about the airline having to haul you back. They might get sticky about letting us on the plane if it's unclear we'll be admittable on arrival.

[NomadJoe]

I would think you should be able to convince the officers you are genuine before they can deny you. They can't just say, sorry we don't like you, buzz off, don't talk to us. Rather, they might ask you for proof of funds and an outbound ticket. Present one or both of these and you'll be on your way.

If however, you didn't have anything to show and you had no means of proving you are a legitimate tourist, then they could deny you entry. In which case I'm sure they would let you collect your luggage and then you'd be escorted to your outbound flight.

Officials will accompany you to the carousel to collect your baggage.

[NomadJoe]

Once when i arrived in Suvarnabhum i was asked show 20 000 inhad 10k Lady pointed on airplane and said HHOOOOOMEEEE. That was end of conbersation, NEXT.!

Sorry, can you explain that in a little bit more detail? I am not clear on what the outcome was. And when was this?

[NomadJoe]

"Denied entry into Thailand via Don Mueang airport on a 2nd 60 day multi-entry even though holding proof of work outside the country, and flight tickets out in the next 3 weeks (reading the latest post it seems realistic)"

Not really realistic. Your situation is not what they are targeting.

I'm not very creative, but I can think of a lot worse 'worst case scenarios' then losing some luggage.

I think you'd have access to your luggage, even if just to get it out of there.

60 day entry? Tourist visa? Tourist visas are not issued as 'multiple entry.

Multiple entry means you can enter with the visa as many times as you want as long as it's still valid. Tourist visas have a set number of entries. 1,2 or 3.

2 or 3 entries is multiple entry. I think you're a little confused abut what multiple means.

Sorry, but 2-3 is just what it says it is, if you get a Multiple Entry the number of Entries is Listed a M. The M for .......

Ps: if you have M entries you could (if you want) come and go every day (while the visa is still valid). So suppose you have a Visa which is valid for 90 days, with a M you could go and come back to Thailand as many times you wish, but with a 2-3 entry, you only can leave and come back a max. of (you guessed it (hopefully)) 2-3 times (equal to number of entries), after that the visa cant be used anymore to enter Thailand and is stamped "USED"

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i get your point but you should have used the term MULTI _ENTRY. muliple can just mean more than one

At first I was with idnguy, Using plain English, it seems like multiple entry is the right term for a visa with 2-3 entries. But we really need to use the correct terminology if we are going to avoid confusion. Other non immigrant visas are truly "multiple" entry, as in you can enter and exit as many times as needed. Tourist visa's aren't issued as "mulitple entry". They are issued as "single, double or triple" entry. That is the correct terminology. We need to use it.