And NOW, we announce FREE VISA for.......

[michemiche]

Chinese people, amazing, isn't ????

<link to Bangkok post removed>

 

I dont really get it, now.

 

Edit: Links to the Bangkok post are not allowed by forum rules.

[Pattaya46]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/China-seeks-visa-free-privilege-for-its-tourists-t-30238417.html

Not illogic when "China is the number one source of tourists who come to Thailand".

[michemiche]

Edit: Links to the Bangkok post are not allowed by forum rules.

Edited by ubonjoe, 15 minutes ago.

 

i did not know that rule.............
So guys go to check on the Bangkok Post in categories "Business", then "tourism"..............
But maybe that is also prohibited ????

[MrWorldwide]

4.7 million tourists in 2013 - more than the UK, US, Australia and Germany combined - do the math. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#Annual_statistics

 

Of course, two of the top 5 countries in that table - South Korea and Russia - are the alleged targets of this crackdown on illegal workers, but that doesnt change the fact that China is a massive cash cow for Thailand's tourism industry. Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that. In any case, someone in a position of power has decided to roll out their welcome mat - I look forward to dodging them on Pattaya's narrow footpaths and avoiding them entirely on Walking St. 

[Mario2008]

Edit: Links to the Bangkok post are not allowed by forum rules.

Edited by ubonjoe, 15 minutes ago.

 

i did not know that rule.............
So guys go to check on the Bangkok Post in categories "Business", then "tourism"..............
But maybe that is also prohibited ????

 

You cannot quote or link to The Bangkok Post per their own request.

 

You can tell that there is a story in the BKK-Post of today that states this and that, as long as it is in your own words and not a quote.

[Gweiloman]

It could be that the NCPO feels that the Chinese and Taiwanese tourists contribute more money to the economy which would find it's way easier to the govt's coffers by means of corporate tax as opposed to barfines and ST / LT expenses which are undeclared for the most part.

[simon43]

Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

[MrWorldwide]

It could be that the NCPO feels that the Chinese and Taiwanese tourists contribute more money to the economy which would find it's way easier to the govt's coffers by means of corporate tax as opposed to barfines and ST / LT expenses which are undeclared for the most part.

 

Any particular reason for lumping the relatively rich Taiwanese in with their mainland cousins ? Last time I checked, they were a sovereign nation. 

[breaker]

I heard that Chinese tourists are not paying tips and bargain even in massage parlours.

It seems that Chinese tourists are more "quality tourists" than an Europeans in eyes of TAT.

[firestar]

It could be that the NCPO feels that the Chinese and Taiwanese tourists contribute more money to the economy which would find it's way easier to the govt's coffers by means of corporate tax as opposed to barfines and ST / LT expenses which are undeclared for the most part.

 

Or that the Chinese keep their mouths shut and don't put all these crazy ideas in peoples head.. 

[easybullet3]

4.7 million tourists in 2013 - more than the UK, US, Australia and Germany combined - do the math. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#Annual_statistics

 

Of course, two of the top 5 countries in that table - South Korea and Russia - are the alleged targets of this crackdown on illegal workers, but that doesnt change the fact that China is a massive cash cow for Thailand's tourism industry. Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that. In any case, someone in a position of power has decided to roll out their welcome mat - I look forward to dodging them on Pattaya's narrow footpaths and avoiding them entirely on Walking St. 

 

 

I'm just guessing that the Chinese dont really overstay and work illegally.

  i'm confidently sure that Russians, British, Australians, French etc are MAJOR PLAYERS in the illegal working field.

 

I dont think the Chinese break too many Visa rules...  (though they are NOTORIOUS for breaking every other rule!!!!)  

 

 

but i have always noticed that Chinese are RARELY in the expensive restaurants and I rarely see them splashing out tonnes of cash in department stores.

   - perhaps there are the odd few wealthy high spenders.

the only place I have EVER seen Chinese (or Koreans) spending tonnes of money is at the Casino in the High Stakes Area.  Lol !!

 

but,, of course,, some chinese are extremely wealthy and influencial...   Maybe Thailand is afraid to annoy them? 

 

ALSO:  I read an article recently about Arabs on holiday in London during Ramadam make up a significant percentage of money taken by shops.

   so,, maybe a few ultra wealthy Chinese spenders makes Chinese tourism more lucrative than Western Tourism ??

[digitalchromakey]

 

Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

 

Yes the Chinese have a reputation as Ultra Cheap Charlie's as regards paying to eat out, etc, but I understand that they do spend a fortune at the 'visitor centres' they are bussed to for latex pillows/mattress/cushions/silk/soap/diamond rings, etc.

 

One or two people per bus act as quantity 'buyers' spending perhaps 100,000-200,000 THB (presumably pooled cash)  per bus just say on latex pillows alone, which they then have shipped direct to China.

 

The UK, which is now inundated now with mainland Chinese,  published figures for the average spend on fancy watches, clothes, etc and it runs into thousands of dollars each.

 

That's why they go to the UK, not to see the Tower or Lizzie, but to buy expensive stuff they can show off back home.

 

Thailand will doubtless be similar, but perhaps slightly more down market, they don't come here for the sun, sea, sand, or the culture - that's for sure.

 

Think there will be a lot of extra tax revenue in the Thai Coffers derived from more mainland Chinese coming here.

[englishoak]

 

4.7 million tourists in 2013 - more than the UK, US, Australia and Germany combined - do the math. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#Annual_statistics

 

Of course, two of the top 5 countries in that table - South Korea and Russia - are the alleged targets of this crackdown on illegal workers, but that doesnt change the fact that China is a massive cash cow for Thailand's tourism industry. Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that. In any case, someone in a position of power has decided to roll out their welcome mat - I look forward to dodging them on Pattaya's narrow footpaths and avoiding them entirely on Walking St. 

 

 

I'm just guessing that the Chinese dont really overstay and work illegally.

  i'm confidently sure that Russians, British, Australians, French etc are MAJOR PLAYERS in the illegal working field.

 

I dont think the Chinese break too many Visa rules...  (though they are NOTORIOUS for breaking every other rule!!!!)  

 

 

but i have always noticed that Chinese are RARELY in the expensive restaurants and I rarely see them splashing out tonnes of cash in department stores.

   - perhaps there are the odd few wealthy high spenders.

the only place I have EVER seen Chinese (or Koreans) spending tonnes of money is at the Casino in the High Stakes Area.  Lol !!

 

but,, of course,, some chinese are extremely wealthy and influencial...   Maybe Thailand is afraid to annoy them? 

 

ALSO:  I read an article recently about Arabs on holiday in London during Ramadam make up a significant percentage of money taken by shops.

   so,, maybe a few ultra wealthy Chinese spenders makes Chinese tourism more lucrative than Western Tourism ??

 

 

You have got to be joking lol 

 

If they had a crackdown in Yowalat it would be like watching someone turn over a crate with a colony of cockroaches underneath. 

[simon43]

Any particular reason for lumping the relatively rich Taiwanese in with their mainland cousins ? Last time I checked, they were a sovereign nation. 

 

PRC considers Taiwan to be part of their nation.  So if the visa rule excluded Taiwan, that would be tantamount to stating that Taiwan is not part of PRC, which would go down like a lead balloon with the powers that be in Beijing.

[englishoak]

 

 

Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

 

Yes the Chinese have a reputation as Ultra Cheap Charlie's as regards paying to eat out, etc, but I understand that they do spend a fortune at the 'visitor centres' they are bussed to for latex pillows/mattress/cushions/silk/soap/diamond rings, etc.

 

One or two people per bus act as quantity 'buyers' spending perhaps 100,000-200,000 THB (presumably pooled cash)  per bus just say on latex pillows alone, which they then have shipped direct to China.

 

The UK, which is now inundated now with mainland Chinese,  published figures for the average spend on fancy watches, clothes, etc and it runs into thousands of dollars each.

 

That's why they go to the UK, not to see the Tower or Lizzie, but to buy expensive stuff they can show off back home.

 

Thailand will doubtless be similar, but perhaps slightly more down market, they don't come here for the sun, sea, sand, or the culture - that's for sure.

 

Think there will be a lot of extra tax revenue in the Thai Coffers derived from more mainland Chinese coming here.

 

 

The Chinese dont go anywhere and spend in the general economy, mostly on tours hotels and high end items to show off... It benefits a certain demographic in business it dosnt benefit the wider smaller tourist businesses that cater towards the average tourist.  They dont mix they arnt curious and they arnt adventurous, on top of that they are usually pretty rude and ill mannered.

 

The Japanese back in the 80s were far more naturally curious polite and interested in cultures and people the Chinese seem only to be interested in getting high end real not fake items to show off back home with... pretty shallow really.. perhaps they will change in time.

 

I also havnt seen them out and about once in the UK without the tour buses ... the UK is far from inundated its only  key tourist attractions and the likes of Harrods, souvenir shops etcyou wont see sight or sound of them at a beach or along the local towns shopping or having a meal of fish and chips or a kebab.

 

They benefit the tourist figures and not the population or local businesses.

 

I cant see Thai women falling over themselves for jai dee Chinese, the wallet maybe but they will have to work damned hard to get much out of them. 

[digitalchromakey]

 

 

 

Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

 

Yes the Chinese have a reputation as Ultra Cheap Charlie's as regards paying to eat out, etc, but I understand that they do spend a fortune at the 'visitor centres' they are bussed to for latex pillows/mattress/cushions/silk/soap/diamond rings, etc.

 

One or two people per bus act as quantity 'buyers' spending perhaps 100,000-200,000 THB (presumably pooled cash)  per bus just say on latex pillows alone, which they then have shipped direct to China.

 

The UK, which is now inundated now with mainland Chinese,  published figures for the average spend on fancy watches, clothes, etc and it runs into thousands of dollars each.

 

That's why they go to the UK, not to see the Tower or Lizzie, but to buy expensive stuff they can show off back home.

 

Thailand will doubtless be similar, but perhaps slightly more down market, they don't come here for the sun, sea, sand, or the culture - that's for sure.

 

Think there will be a lot of extra tax revenue in the Thai Coffers derived from more mainland Chinese coming here.

 

 

The Chinese dont go anywhere and spend in the general economy, mostly on tours hotels and high end items to show off... It benefits a certain demographic in business it dosnt benefit the wider smaller tourist businesses that cater towards the average tourist.  They dont mix they arnt curious and they arnt adventurous, on top of that they are usually pretty rude and ill mannered.

 

The Japanese back in the 80s were far more naturally curious polite and interested in cultures and people the Chinese seem only to be interested in getting high end real not fake items to show off back home with... pretty shallow really.. perhaps they will change in time.

 

I also havnt seen them out and about once in the UK without the tour buses ... the UK is far from inundated its only  key tourist attractions and the likes of Harrods, souvenir shops etcyou wont see sight or sound of them at a beach or along the local towns shopping or having a meal of fish and chips or a kebab.

 

They benefit the tourist figures and not the population or local businesses.

 

I cant see Thai women falling over themselves for jai dee Chinese, the wallet maybe but they will have to work damned hard to get much out of them. 

 

here's an interesting article on Chinese tourists in the UK, it does however imply that France is benefitting much more.

 

We need to change our idea of the Chinese Tourist, they are now well moneyed much like fabled American and tourists of the 50s and 60s and perhaps Scandinavians in the 70's, but the holiday spending pattern is completely geared up to acquisition, not consumption.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/oct/14/british-destinations-cashing-in-chinese-tourists

[kingalfred]

Gotta love it when someone who makes attempts to avoid being cheated are "cheap charlies" , maybe Thai customers are defined the same when they dont tip and try to bargain the price down. It's a case of the Chinese know it goes on in their own country so are prepared in the LoS(is that smiles)


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[easybullet3]

 

 

4.7 million tourists in 2013 - more than the UK, US, Australia and Germany combined - do the math. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#Annual_statistics

 

Of course, two of the top 5 countries in that table - South Korea and Russia - are the alleged targets of this crackdown on illegal workers, but that doesnt change the fact that China is a massive cash cow for Thailand's tourism industry. Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that. In any case, someone in a position of power has decided to roll out their welcome mat - I look forward to dodging them on Pattaya's narrow footpaths and avoiding them entirely on Walking St. 

 

 

I'm just guessing that the Chinese dont really overstay and work illegally.

  i'm confidently sure that Russians, British, Australians, French etc are MAJOR PLAYERS in the illegal working field.

 

I dont think the Chinese break too many Visa rules...  (though they are NOTORIOUS for breaking every other rule!!!!)  

 

 

but i have always noticed that Chinese are RARELY in the expensive restaurants and I rarely see them splashing out tonnes of cash in department stores.

   - perhaps there are the odd few wealthy high spenders.

the only place I have EVER seen Chinese (or Koreans) spending tonnes of money is at the Casino in the High Stakes Area.  Lol !!

 

but,, of course,, some chinese are extremely wealthy and influencial...   Maybe Thailand is afraid to annoy them? 

 

ALSO:  I read an article recently about Arabs on holiday in London during Ramadam make up a significant percentage of money taken by shops.

   so,, maybe a few ultra wealthy Chinese spenders makes Chinese tourism more lucrative than Western Tourism ??

 

 

You have got to be joking lol 

 

If they had a crackdown in Yowalat it would be like watching someone turn over a crate with a colony of cockroaches underneath. 

 

 

do you rekon the china town bunch are illegal ?  I always assumed they are chinese-thai people with thai passports.

   i didnt imagine that chinese would overstay here and have shops in the markets in china town.

[englishoak]

 

 

 

4.7 million tourists in 2013 - more than the UK, US, Australia and Germany combined - do the math. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand#Annual_statistics

 

Of course, two of the top 5 countries in that table - South Korea and Russia - are the alleged targets of this crackdown on illegal workers, but that doesnt change the fact that China is a massive cash cow for Thailand's tourism industry. Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that. In any case, someone in a position of power has decided to roll out their welcome mat - I look forward to dodging them on Pattaya's narrow footpaths and avoiding them entirely on Walking St. 

 

 

I'm just guessing that the Chinese dont really overstay and work illegally.

  i'm confidently sure that Russians, British, Australians, French etc are MAJOR PLAYERS in the illegal working field.

 

I dont think the Chinese break too many Visa rules...  (though they are NOTORIOUS for breaking every other rule!!!!)  

 

 

but i have always noticed that Chinese are RARELY in the expensive restaurants and I rarely see them splashing out tonnes of cash in department stores.

   - perhaps there are the odd few wealthy high spenders.

the only place I have EVER seen Chinese (or Koreans) spending tonnes of money is at the Casino in the High Stakes Area.  Lol !!

 

but,, of course,, some chinese are extremely wealthy and influencial...   Maybe Thailand is afraid to annoy them? 

 

ALSO:  I read an article recently about Arabs on holiday in London during Ramadam make up a significant percentage of money taken by shops.

   so,, maybe a few ultra wealthy Chinese spenders makes Chinese tourism more lucrative than Western Tourism ??

 

 

You have got to be joking lol 

 

If they had a crackdown in Yowalat it would be like watching someone turn over a crate with a colony of cockroaches underneath. 

 

 

do you rekon the china town bunch are illegal ?  I always assumed they are chinese-thai people with thai passports.

   i didnt imagine that chinese would overstay here and have shops in the markets in china town.

 

 

I know a lot are illegals, not all of course but a lot of the workers and small traders are. Occasionally the police will go round and collect the tea money and youll see streets absent of the small traders.They also regularly confiscate stock or tea money "fine" them to return it. Its not just yowalat either. Chatuchak is similar and Pratunam and Pantip. There is imo a massive illegal underclass trading and working here made up by many nations, mostly Asian. The English teachers or farang entrepreneurs make up imo a tiny tiny %. 

[Suradit69]

I heard that Chinese tourists are not paying tips and bargain even in massage parlours.

It seems that Chinese tourists are more "quality tourists" than an Europeans in eyes of TAT.

 

That's hilarious when posted in a forum where there are complaints that 7-Eleven is short changing people 25 satang on electric bills or that a farang in a tourist bar might be charged a few baht more than a Thai in a bar for locals. And I seriously doubt the supposed high-end, big spending farang tourists are put off because they have to pay for a tourist visa (or for short-term genuine tourists, can just clear immigrations without a visa  for free).

 

As far as quality is concerned, watch the multi-page threads here whenever the gogo bars have to close for a religious holiday for a day or two and khun farang thinks he can't get alcohol. Yes, real movers & shakers and jet setters.

 

If people are being employed at the airports, driving buses, cleaning hotel rooms, etc because of Chinese tourists, it's better than not have people to accommodate and feed.

 

You don't have to be Chinese to be parsimonious (aka kee niaow).

[rickirs]

Favorite Chinese Travel Hotspots by CNBC Apr 2014) :

 

#1 New Zealand, #2 USA, #3 Canada, #4 Australia, #5 Singapore, #6 Italy, #7 Thailand, #8 UK, #9 France, #10 So. Korea

 

On the other hand, Japan is the #1 destination for wealthy (income >$50,000 USD/year) Chinese according to the Wall Street Journal.

 

 

 

[Seekingasylum]

I recall many hoteliers and tourist outlets who bemoaned the thriftiness of Chinese tourists, their appalling manners and innate rudeness. Funny how TAT seem to ignore the reality. Also, Chinese do not like to frolic about the beach for two weeks, getting drunk, bopping in local clubs nor do they eat anything other than prawns and Chinese food. Actually, I don't see Chinese tourism in Thailand being anything other than a flash in the pan. Most of the 200 million moneyed Chinese simply want to go to Europe. Thailand is a cheap skate secondary destination of little consequence. Thank God.

[philcork]

I heard that Chinese tourists are not paying tips and bargain even in massage parlours.

It seems that Chinese tourists are more "quality tourists" than an Europeans in eyes of TAT.

Judging by the statistics for 2013 on daily expenditure, Europeans are even cheaper charlies than Chinese tourists and must be bargaining even harder or just doing a runner without paying at all (As are all farang with the exception of Australians - I'm not Australian btw). Similarly, farang spend less on entertainment  than Russians, Indians, Chinese and GCC countries. Before sneering at Chinese, Indian, Russian, Arab or African spending habits, have some facts. 

[Eddy B]

I thought it was because China is offering the same free visa to Thai citizens to go to China. So it works both ways, the western countries make it difficult for Thai's to get a visa so they are doing the same to us...........just a thought.

[Gweiloman]

 

It could be that the NCPO feels that the Chinese and Taiwanese tourists contribute more money to the economy which would find it's way easier to the govt's coffers by means of corporate tax as opposed to barfines and ST / LT expenses which are undeclared for the most part.

 

Any particular reason for lumping the relatively rich Taiwanese in with their mainland cousins ? Last time I checked, they were a sovereign nation. 

 

 

According to the article in the BP, both Chinese and Taiwanese will get free visa waiver for three months starting from 01 August. So my post is merely reiterating what the article stated.

 

Having said that, most of the people that make up the queues in front of LV, Prada, Ferragamo etc on Canton Road in Hkg are mainland Chinese and not Taiwanese. On a per capita basis, the Taiwanese may be richer. But believe you me, there are a lot (LOT) of very, very rich mainland Chinese.

[Gweiloman]

 

 

 

Personally I think the package tourists are cheap charlies, but the hotels and tour operators might disagree with me on that

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

 

Yes the Chinese have a reputation as Ultra Cheap Charlie's as regards paying to eat out, etc, but I understand that they do spend a fortune at the 'visitor centres' they are bussed to for latex pillows/mattress/cushions/silk/soap/diamond rings, etc.

 

One or two people per bus act as quantity 'buyers' spending perhaps 100,000-200,000 THB (presumably pooled cash)  per bus just say on latex pillows alone, which they then have shipped direct to China.

 

The UK, which is now inundated now with mainland Chinese,  published figures for the average spend on fancy watches, clothes, etc and it runs into thousands of dollars each.

 

That's why they go to the UK, not to see the Tower or Lizzie, but to buy expensive stuff they can show off back home.

 

Thailand will doubtless be similar, but perhaps slightly more down market, they don't come here for the sun, sea, sand, or the culture - that's for sure.

 

Think there will be a lot of extra tax revenue in the Thai Coffers derived from more mainland Chinese coming here.

 

 

The Chinese dont go anywhere and spend in the general economy, mostly on tours hotels and high end items to show off... It benefits a certain demographic in business it dosnt benefit the wider smaller tourist businesses that cater towards the average tourist.  They dont mix they arnt curious and they arnt adventurous, on top of that they are usually pretty rude and ill mannered.

 

The Japanese back in the 80s were far more naturally curious polite and interested in cultures and people the Chinese seem only to be interested in getting high end real not fake items to show off back home with... pretty shallow really.. perhaps they will change in time.

 

I also havnt seen them out and about once in the UK without the tour buses ... the UK is far from inundated its only  key tourist attractions and the likes of Harrods, souvenir shops etcyou wont see sight or sound of them at a beach or along the local towns shopping or having a meal of fish and chips or a kebab.

 

They benefit the tourist figures and not the population or local businesses.

 

I cant see Thai women falling over themselves for jai dee Chinese, the wallet maybe but they will have to work damned hard to get much out of them. 

 

 

Does it matter where the tourists spend their money? If you were the Minister of Finance, who would you appreciate more? A farang tourist spending Thb 20,000 in soi Cowboy or a Chinese tourist spending Thb 200,000 in Emporium?

[englishoak]

 

 

 

 

As a hotel owner, I don't disagree with you...

 

But thanks to the wonderful marketing strategy of TAT, Chinese tourists is mostly what Phuket gets nowadays, so we have to make do with what's available.

 

But since Aug/Sep/Oct are the lowest months of the low season, it will do no harm to have hords of Chinese tourists clammering for hot water for their Mama noodles in my restaurant...

 

 

 

Yes the Chinese have a reputation as Ultra Cheap Charlie's as regards paying to eat out, etc, but I understand that they do spend a fortune at the 'visitor centres' they are bussed to for latex pillows/mattress/cushions/silk/soap/diamond rings, etc.

 

One or two people per bus act as quantity 'buyers' spending perhaps 100,000-200,000 THB (presumably pooled cash)  per bus just say on latex pillows alone, which they then have shipped direct to China.

 

The UK, which is now inundated now with mainland Chinese,  published figures for the average spend on fancy watches, clothes, etc and it runs into thousands of dollars each.

 

That's why they go to the UK, not to see the Tower or Lizzie, but to buy expensive stuff they can show off back home.

 

Thailand will doubtless be similar, but perhaps slightly more down market, they don't come here for the sun, sea, sand, or the culture - that's for sure.

 

Think there will be a lot of extra tax revenue in the Thai Coffers derived from more mainland Chinese coming here.

 

 

The Chinese dont go anywhere and spend in the general economy, mostly on tours hotels and high end items to show off... It benefits a certain demographic in business it dosnt benefit the wider smaller tourist businesses that cater towards the average tourist.  They dont mix they arnt curious and they arnt adventurous, on top of that they are usually pretty rude and ill mannered.

 

The Japanese back in the 80s were far more naturally curious polite and interested in cultures and people the Chinese seem only to be interested in getting high end real not fake items to show off back home with... pretty shallow really.. perhaps they will change in time.

 

I also havnt seen them out and about once in the UK without the tour buses ... the UK is far from inundated its only  key tourist attractions and the likes of Harrods, souvenir shops etcyou wont see sight or sound of them at a beach or along the local towns shopping or having a meal of fish and chips or a kebab.

 

They benefit the tourist figures and not the population or local businesses.

 

I cant see Thai women falling over themselves for jai dee Chinese, the wallet maybe but they will have to work damned hard to get much out of them. 

 

 

Does it matter where the tourists spend their money? If you were the Minister of Finance, who would you appreciate more? A farang tourist spending Thb 20,000 in soi Cowboy or a Chinese tourist spending Thb 200,000 in Emporium?

 

 

Of course it dosnt matter to the Minister of finance, however given that most of these big groups dont pay appropriate tax on their profits anyway its highly likely its worth nothing more to the local economy than 20k spent in soi cowboy. 

 

Put it this way funnelling most of the spends to the higher end does not really help local economies, not at ground level. Im not saying they dont spend im merely saying it dosnt help normal people on a day to day budget. 

 

Thats just life but as the gap gets wider we will just see more emporiums and less independents. Not really a scenario most people crave seeing I suspect, the chinese will get into the next stage maybe or maybe not, I have to say I thought the west was materialistic, that is until  Asia caught the bug on steroids

[Gweiloman]

 

 

 

 

The Chinese dont go anywhere and spend in the general economy, mostly on tours hotels and high end items to show off... It benefits a certain demographic in business it dosnt benefit the wider smaller tourist businesses that cater towards the average tourist.  They dont mix they arnt curious and they arnt adventurous, on top of that they are usually pretty rude and ill mannered.

 

The Japanese back in the 80s were far more naturally curious polite and interested in cultures and people the Chinese seem only to be interested in getting high end real not fake items to show off back home with... pretty shallow really.. perhaps they will change in time.

 

I also havnt seen them out and about once in the UK without the tour buses ... the UK is far from inundated its only  key tourist attractions and the likes of Harrods, souvenir shops etcyou wont see sight or sound of them at a beach or along the local towns shopping or having a meal of fish and chips or a kebab.

 

They benefit the tourist figures and not the population or local businesses.

 

I cant see Thai women falling over themselves for jai dee Chinese, the wallet maybe but they will have to work damned hard to get much out of them. 

 

 

Does it matter where the tourists spend their money? If you were the Minister of Finance, who would you appreciate more? A farang tourist spending Thb 20,000 in soi Cowboy or a Chinese tourist spending Thb 200,000 in Emporium?

 

 

Of course it dosnt matter to the Minister of finance, however given that most of these big groups dont pay appropriate tax on their profits anyway its highly likely its worth nothing more to the local economy than 20k spent in soi cowboy. 

 

Put it this way funnelling most of the spends to the higher end does not really help local economies, not at ground level. Im not saying they dont spend im merely saying it dosnt help normal people on a day to day budget. 

 

Thats just life but as the gap gets wider we will just see more emporiums and less independents. Not really a scenario most people crave seeing I suspect, the chinese will get into the next stage maybe or maybe not, I have to say I thought the west was materialistic, that is until  Asia caught the bug on steroids

 

 

Yes, you are perfectly right. It's just that from a macro economics point of view, the Chinese are a more "desirable" group of tourist as their spending is towards a segment where the government will recoup a certain amount of revenue in the form of corporate taxes. From a macro viewpoint, one just cannot and should not be concerned about the "local" (read bar girls, road side noodle stores) economy.

[englishoak]

Your absolutely correct too of course on a marco level. Which is all Most governments are interested in. 

 

​What intrigues me is how a particular culture prioritises things, for instance will the Chinese get an interest in other cultures or care about animals or what they are eating and where it comes from or what price has been paid by an elephant for that bracelet  ? Will they start when they get tired of brand names start looking and valuing hand made goods and custom items  ?  Will the education attitude ( which is impressive ) at some point filter down to having morals ? Will enough of them be about to change policy ? Or are all they really interested in is how much wealth they can accumulate at any cost and ultimately to their own longterm detriment. The Chinese know how to play the long game but somehow regarding sustainability and care for what state everything will be in around them I have my doubts 

 

These are questions of course we can only find out in the future. 

 

Laos is a great example of Chinese interest, the only thing they are interested in there are its resources and casinos they build. Same with Myanmar, same really with Africa. Of course it can be argued the west is no better but I do not ever see China leading the way on issues of humanity or making good practise rulings. Perhaps they will grow up in time, thats if the world can survive until then before a tipping point is passed.

[PattayaPhom]

I dont understand the issue here. Europeans travel freely throughout Europe,isnt this much the same. China being a neighbour surely should have ease of travel to Thailand compared to that of Westerners.