Junta chief pleads for understanding and cooperation

[trd]

Everyone is happy in the Matrix. Do you want to take the red pill or the blue pill?

[jacky54]

you are either with us (junta, military dictatorship) or ...... bye bye

this is starting to look like the Egyptian system... military everywhere, board seats, head of government agencies, and very rich generals...

Bye bye Thailand

Hopefully bye bye the old corrupt third world backwater Thailand, and hello 21st century new Thailand. At lest this guy is making progress which is more than I can remember anyone else doing.

[englishoak]

Pleading ? interesting interesting choice of word and interesting timing right after just abolishing local election governing.

im sure the coming tourist visa bomb wont have any effect either.

Ahh well must be costing BOT quite a bit to keep the baht so high under the continuing tightening noose called return to happiness.

I call it return to Oz and i dont mean the "no worries" place either

[ginjag]

you are either with us (junta, military dictatorship) or ...... bye bye

this is starting to look like the Egyptian system... military everywhere, board seats, head of government agencies, and very rich generals...

Bye bye Thailand

One or two new recruits on this thread, one or two missing.

Your with the clean up army system, or live in the non democratically governed PTP era---song for the has beans, Elvis-"I just can't help believing"

[Thailand]

you are either with us (junta, military dictatorship) or ...... bye bye

this is starting to look like the Egyptian system... military everywhere, board seats, head of government agencies, and very rich generals...

Bye bye Thailand

One or two new recruits on this thread, one or two missing.

Your with the clean up army system, or live in the non democratically governed PTP era---song for the has beans, Elvis-"I just can't help believing"

My mistake, djjamie will have a drinking partner. Maybe a few scattered military in the alcoves. Edited July 19, 2014 by Thailand

[ginjag]

you are either with us (junta, military dictatorship) or ...... bye bye

this is starting to look like the Egyptian system... military everywhere, board seats, head of government agencies, and very rich generals...

Bye bye Thailand

One or two new recruits on this thread, one or two missing.

Your with the clean up army system, or live in the non democratically governed PTP era---song for the has beans, Elvis-"I just can't help believing"

My mistake, djjamie will have a drinking partner. Maybe a few scattered military in the alcoves.

Still trying to defend the PTP, along with the 2 newbies on this thread.

If we arranged a party of pro new clean up army we would have far more party goers than your remnants.

The Army boss wants co-operation from all, not a tall order if it will improve the lives of Thais and posters. OR do you want the old regime back ??

[Thailand]

you are either with us (junta, military dictatorship) or ...... bye bye

this is starting to look like the Egyptian system... military everywhere, board seats, head of government agencies, and very rich generals...

Bye bye Thailand

One or two new recruits on this thread, one or two missing.

Your with the clean up army system, or live in the non democratically governed PTP era---song for the has beans, Elvis-"I just can't help believing"

My mistake, djjamie will have a drinking partner. Maybe a few scattered military in the alcoves.

Still trying to defend the PTP, along with the 2 newbies on this thread.

If we arranged a party of pro new clean up army we would have far more party goers than your remnants.

The Army boss wants co-operation from all, not a tall order if it will improve the lives of Thais and posters. OR do you want the old regime back ??

Keep dreaming.

It's starting to go pear shaped with your new fanboys.

[MJP]

At least Thailand finally has a leader.

[ginjag]

Still trying to defend the PTP, along with the 2 newbies on this thread.

If we arranged a party of pro new clean up army we would have far more party goers than your remnants.

The Army boss wants co-operation from all, not a tall order if it will improve the lives of Thais and posters. OR do you want the old regime back ??

Keep dreaming.

It's starting to go pear shaped with your new fanboys.

Sorry but with your depleted followers, the old regimes thinking is now obsolete, hence the reason only a few hard core remaining.

The posters with forward thinking are the ones that back the clean up. (with caution may I add-early days) but looks positive.

[maxme]

He cares so much for the people yet sends them to jail for having different opinions than his own

Plead all you like but the rest of the world knows what democracy means as they were not subjected to a Thai education

True they think it is OK to break the law and he thinks it is not OK so they have a difference of opinion.

I for one am glad he is the one who has the opinion that counts.

edit

forgot to mention I am not sure the rest of the world knows what democracy means any more than you do.

You like them think it is being able to vote.

48% of the people ruling does not mean ity is a democracy. The only country I know of that has democracy is North Korea and I am not exactly impressed with it.

Are you?

What a ridiculous statement. The former government was not exactly meticulous nor organized and had it share of imbeciles but mind you, this is Thailand we are talking about.

In spite of this, no citizen were forced to vote in favor of a party at gunpoint. To even start comparing between these two is like comparing oranges to anuses.

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[NeverSure]

At least Thailand finally has a leader.

All lemmings have a leader.

[Christie Paul]

‘To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.’

Voltaire

[djjamie]

""He said the NCPO is now open for people to submit ideas, reasoning that it is difficult to lead to reform in the second phase and implementation in the third phase if each group have not crystallises their ideas."

It is extremely refreshing to see the Junta follow through with their promise to involve the people. To be transparent and to show no hidden agenda. To embrace the population (may I dare say the voters) ideas and incorporate them in the reform. After all the reform is for their benefit, not the Junta's. This fact and this fact alone show the Junta are more democratic than the previous regime ever was.

And how do you reconcile that statement with this:

Order 97/2557 forbids all media operating in Thailand from interviewing and publishing the views of academics, former government office-bearers, retired judges or other people, including representatives from Non-Government Organisations, that may be construed as being critical of the NCPO or its representatives.

Great. So they have broken 1 principle so they can restore 15 in the future.

The PTP broke 14 principles with no intention of restoring them.

So far on the score board of democracy it is

Junta 1 (involving the people)

PTP 1 (free media….to an extent)

Breathtaking naivety!

Come on then. Name the principles the PTP adhere too?

3 years on this forum and 5 years on BP and not one reply telling me what principles the PTP adhere to except elections. Not one. Only belittling and condescension.

So come on then, break the ice. Lets hear them instead of belittling me?

[northernjohn]

He said these problematic teens should improve themselves quickly and should find some jobs or complete their studies.

Uh, good luck with that

Bottom line is he is rite.

Nice to finally have a leader who tells it like it is.

On the other hand I agree with you on good luck with that.

[metisdead]

A nonsense baiting post has been removed.

[northernjohn]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

"For the use of the term "democracy" as a system involving distribution of political power in the hands of the public which forms the electorate, representative government, and freedom of speech,"

Now,now,we'll have none of that!

The only country I know of that has democracy is North Korea. There leader has 100% backing of the electorate.

I will admit it sounds harsh. I how ever wonder if it is the means of opposing their decisions. After all he did ask for all to join in the reunification. I don't really think he would have a problem if say the Nation was to come out with a editorial against the repatriation of the Burmese. I do believe if they were to make it an attack on the government they would soon regret it.

In short you are allowed to voice opinions on things but not to attack them.

I know it is a hard thing for many people to understand the difference between stating an opinion and attacking they think if you don't think like I do I must attack you. That for sure will not be tolerated as it is counterproductive to reunification.

[northernjohn]

""He said the NCPO is now open for people to submit ideas, reasoning that it is difficult to lead to reform in the second phase and implementation in the third phase if each group have not crystallises their ideas."

It is extremely refreshing to see the Junta follow through with their promise to involve the people. To be transparent and to show no hidden agenda. To embrace the population (may I dare say the voters) ideas and incorporate them in the reform. After all the reform is for their benefit, not the Junta's. This fact and this fact alone show the Junta are more democratic than the previous regime ever was.

Interesting world you live in.

Indeed it is an interesting world we all live in.

Refreshing for those in favor of a government for the people.

Despairing for those in favor of corruption and scheming.

[djjamie]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

You bet it does and I must thank you for bringing this up. You have inadvertently highlighted the cancerous propaganda and hate speeches full of contempt for the majority that the PTP and UDD have spewed previously to try to divide the majority of the population from the 7% that believe this rhetoric. This rhetoric did not fool the majority though and in fact they have welcomed the "holiday" from it.

So far the Junta's lack of amnesty bill is more successful at bringing peace and reconcilliation than the PTP's actual amnesty bill was intended to do. Well you couldn't really do any worse at bringing reconciliation than the PTP's reconciliation bill so in hind sight that is a bad example.

Well done Fang and thanks again for highlighting why reform, peace, transparency and most importantly a removal of an entity that embraced terrorism as a way to enshrine their ideas onto others are all important factors in the Junta's plan for true democracy.

I have saved you a seat on the train to reconciliation my friend right next to mine. Lets hope the train stops of at the TVF bar in Bangkok so I can buy you a reconciliation drink. Rest assured no bombs will go off while we drink it. We can thank the Junta for that!

I think you will be drinking alone.

I didn't know I was asking if you wanted a drink? I was asking Fang.

Yet I notice you not rebut anything I say?

[cmsally]

Crikey how on earth can you call N Korea a democracy. Its a single party totalitarian state under family dictatorship.

[northernjohn]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

You bet it does and I must thank you for bringing this up. You have inadvertently highlighted the cancerous propaganda and hate speeches full of contempt for the majority that the PTP and UDD have spewed previously to try to divide the majority of the population from the 7% that believe this rhetoric. This rhetoric did not fool the majority though and in fact they have welcomed the "holiday" from it.

So far the Junta's lack of amnesty bill is more successful at bringing peace and reconcilliation than the PTP's actual amnesty bill was intended to do. Well you couldn't really do any worse at bringing reconciliation than the PTP's reconciliation bill so in hind sight that is a bad example.

Well done Fang and thanks again for highlighting why reform, peace, transparency and most importantly a removal of an entity that embraced terrorism as a way to enshrine their ideas onto others are all important factors in the Junta's plan for true democracy.

I have saved you a seat on the train to reconciliation my friend right next to mine. Lets hope the train stops of at the TVF bar in Bangkok so I can buy you a reconciliation drink. Rest assured no bombs will go off while we drink it. We can thank the Junta for that!

I think you will be drinking alone.

Are you saying FangFerang is not looking for reunification.

We know from your posts that it is not important to you but I think you should let him speak for himself.

It is a belief of FangFerang that those people should not stop talking.

My belief is they have been doing the talking for years now shut the <----> up and let the people talk.

[baboon]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

You bet it does and I must thank you for bringing this up. You have inadvertently highlighted the cancerous propaganda and hate speeches full of contempt for the majority that the PTP and UDD have spewed previously to try to divide the majority of the population from the 7% that believe this rhetoric. This rhetoric did not fool the majority though and in fact they have welcomed the "holiday" from it.

So far the Junta's lack of amnesty bill is more successful at bringing peace and reconcilliation than the PTP's actual amnesty bill was intended to do. Well you couldn't really do any worse at bringing reconciliation than the PTP's reconciliation bill so in hind sight that is a bad example.

Well done Fang and thanks again for highlighting why reform, peace, transparency and most importantly a removal of an entity that embraced terrorism as a way to enshrine their ideas onto others are all important factors in the Junta's plan for true democracy.

I have saved you a seat on the train to reconciliation my friend right next to mine. Lets hope the train stops of at the TVF bar in Bangkok so I can buy you a reconciliation drink. Rest assured no bombs will go off while we drink it. We can thank the Junta for that!

I think you will be drinking alone.

I didn't know I was asking if you wanted a drink? I was asking Fang.

Yet I notice you not rebut anything I say?

He probably can't be bothered, given your baiting nature, dear friend.

[northernjohn]

Crikey how on earth can you call N Korea a democracy. Its a single party totalitarian state under family dictatorship.

Well you have to admit they 100% elected him the leader. Maybe you haven't been following the threads but that is what the anti NPCO protestors are calling a democracy. An election makes it Democratic and it doesn't have to be the majority that is the winner. A minority can be the winner the important thing is their was an election to those people.

Under the definition that has been used on many many thread's by all the anti NPCO people.

You may call it what you want. I don't disagree to much. I look at it as a dictatorship such as Thaksin was trying to set up here in Thailand. Only a far more successful one than the Shinawatra's were trying to set up. There's was laughable. North Korea's is sorrowful.

[heybruce]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

You bet it does and I must thank you for bringing this up. You have inadvertently highlighted the cancerous propaganda and hate speeches full of contempt for the majority that the PTP and UDD have spewed previously to try to divide the majority of the population from the 7% that believe this rhetoric. This rhetoric did not fool the majority though and in fact they have welcomed the "holiday" from it.

So far the Junta's lack of amnesty bill is more successful at bringing peace and reconcilliation than the PTP's actual amnesty bill was intended to do. Well you couldn't really do any worse at bringing reconciliation than the PTP's reconciliation bill so in hind sight that is a bad example.

Well done Fang and thanks again for highlighting why reform, peace, transparency and most importantly a removal of an entity that embraced terrorism as a way to enshrine their ideas onto others are all important factors in the Junta's plan for true democracy.

I have saved you a seat on the train to reconciliation my friend right next to mine. Lets hope the train stops of at the TVF bar in Bangkok so I can buy you a reconciliation drink. Rest assured no bombs will go off while we drink it. We can thank the Junta for that!

I think you will be drinking alone.

I didn't know I was asking if you wanted a drink? I was asking Fang.

Yet I notice you not rebut anything I say?

I'm still trying to figure out how your reply has anything to do with his post, or anything to do with reality. I'd ask you to provide references for you information, but as you've explained before, and repeatedly demonstrated, you don't reference your information.

[heybruce]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

But of course "what his military junta’s is doing is constructive move to bring the country to real democracy."

Freedom of press is such an impediment to real democracy.

[rubl]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

But of course "what his military junta’s is doing is constructive move to bring the country to real democracy."

Freedom of press is such an impediment to real democracy.

True, true, but at least in Thailand the press has the freedom to accept payments from commercial companies to not print, allegedly that is.

Anyway the NCPO pleads for understanding and cooperation. I fear though that with a few posters here that's like talking to the deaf.

[simon43]

It is early days with this military junta. But the General has achieved in a few months what has proven impossible over the last 2 decades (or more).

Why? Because no-one is in any position to oppose him - this is a dictatorship. well, so be it. Since politicians from ALL sides have shown themselves to be corrupt or incompetent, or a combination of the two, I see little reason why the General should even contemplate returning the country to democracy.

Sometimes (especially in Asia), a democracy is not the best option. IMHO, Thailand will be a stronger and more stable country without the meddling of politicians.

Let's keep it as a one-party (army) state. It seems to be working quite well.

If you don't agree, (using the well-worn, ThaiVisa phrase), there is always the exit door....

[trd]

It is early days with this military junta. But the General has achieved in a few months what has proven impossible over the last 2 decades (or more).

Why? Because no-one is in any position to oppose him - this is a dictatorship. well, so be it. Since politicians from ALL sides have shown themselves to be corrupt or incompetent, or a combination of the two, I see little reason why the General should even contemplate returning the country to democracy.

Sometimes (especially in Asia), a democracy is not the best option. IMHO, Thailand will be a stronger and more stable country without the meddling of politicians.

Let's keep it as a one-party (army) state. It seems to be working quite well.

If you don't agree, (using the well-worn, ThaiVisa phrase), there is always the exit door....

Well that's where you are wrong thankfully. Unlike the regime, ThaiVisa is not a dictatorship so there is no exit door. There is participation......

Try and hang on to that thought as you familiarise yourself a little bit more with the lessons of history, which tends to repeat itself.

Edited July 20, 2014 by trd

[Thailand]

In Friday's announcement #97, the NCPO told the media not to criticize the NCPO, its staff and related persons. Failure means an immediate ban and legal action. Social networks cannot invite or interview former civil servants, scholars, former court employees, independent organizations or former judicial office workers in any manner that can confuse society, create or escalate conflicts, or lead to violence. Also, no one is allowed to post confidential government agency information, including video clips, images or voice recordings. Further all channels must broadcast and inform all viewers of all information issued by the NCPO.

And THAT says it all!

You bet it does and I must thank you for bringing this up. You have inadvertently highlighted the cancerous propaganda and hate speeches full of contempt for the majority that the PTP and UDD have spewed previously to try to divide the majority of the population from the 7% that believe this rhetoric. This rhetoric did not fool the majority though and in fact they have welcomed the "holiday" from it.

So far the Junta's lack of amnesty bill is more successful at bringing peace and reconcilliation than the PTP's actual amnesty bill was intended to do. Well you couldn't really do any worse at bringing reconciliation than the PTP's reconciliation bill so in hind sight that is a bad example.

Well done Fang and thanks again for highlighting why reform, peace, transparency and most importantly a removal of an entity that embraced terrorism as a way to enshrine their ideas onto others are all important factors in the Junta's plan for true democracy.

I have saved you a seat on the train to reconciliation my friend right next to mine. Lets hope the train stops of at the TVF bar in Bangkok so I can buy you a reconciliation drink. Rest assured no bombs will go off while we drink it. We can thank the Junta for that!

I think you will be drinking alone.

I didn't know I was asking if you wanted a drink? I was asking Fang.

Yet I notice you not rebut anything I say?

He probably can't be bothered, given your baiting nature, dear friend.

Spot on. Why rebut fluff! Simply find his/her posts amusing.

[ginjag]

It is early days with this military junta. But the General has achieved in a few months what has proven impossible over the last 2 decades (or more).

Why? Because no-one is in any position to oppose him - this is a dictatorship. well, so be it. Since politicians from ALL sides have shown themselves to be corrupt or incompetent, or a combination of the two, I see little reason why the General should even contemplate returning the country to democracy.

Sometimes (especially in Asia), a democracy is not the best option. IMHO, Thailand will be a stronger and more stable country without the meddling of politicians.

Let's keep it as a one-party (army) state. It seems to be working quite well.

If you don't agree, (using the well-worn, ThaiVisa phrase), there is always the exit door....

Well that's where you are wrong thankfully. Unlike the regime, ThaiVisa is not a dictatorship so there is no exit door. There is participation......

Try and hang on to that thought as you familiarise yourself a little bit more with the lessons of history, which tends to repeat itself.

The army NOW is trying to stop history repeating it'self, Good lord we do not want to see the regimes of Thaksin ever again.

Of course you are just talking about military intervention, that is your agenda---get used to the fact you will never see Thaksin back in power, too much damage and in this last 2 months the Thai people have learned so much more about PTP non democratic governing.

Re cap for you guys. No problem when Yingluck was running the shambles...................problem for you when Suthep took to the streets to disrupt your corrupt government...............now because PTP etc., have been humiliated your target is the army, no matter how good they are performing.

[trd]

It is early days with this military junta. But the General has achieved in a few months what has proven impossible over the last 2 decades (or more).

Why? Because no-one is in any position to oppose him - this is a dictatorship. well, so be it. Since politicians from ALL sides have shown themselves to be corrupt or incompetent, or a combination of the two, I see little reason why the General should even contemplate returning the country to democracy.

Sometimes (especially in Asia), a democracy is not the best option. IMHO, Thailand will be a stronger and more stable country without the meddling of politicians.

Let's keep it as a one-party (army) state. It seems to be working quite well.

If you don't agree, (using the well-worn, ThaiVisa phrase), there is always the exit door....

Well that's where you are wrong thankfully. Unlike the regime, ThaiVisa is not a dictatorship so there is no exit door. There is participation......

Try and hang on to that thought as you familiarise yourself a little bit more with the lessons of history, which tends to repeat itself.

The army NOW is trying to stop history repeating it'self, Good lord we do not want to see the regimes of Thaksin ever again.

Of course you are just talking about military intervention, that is your agenda---get used to the fact you will never see Thaksin back in power, too much damage and in this last 2 months the Thai people have learned so much more about PTP non democratic governing.

Re cap for you guys. No problem when Yingluck was running the shambles...................problem for you when Suthep took to the streets to disrupt your corrupt government...............now because PTP etc., have been humiliated your target is the army, no matter how good they are performing.

Problem for "you" when Suthep........

To disrupt "your" corrupt government.........

"your" target is the army.......

I think you forget who you are. A foreigner who has absolutely no say (and quite rightly so) in what happens here, has no influence and will always be seen as an outsider and who could be asked to leave at a moments notice.

Edited July 20, 2014 by trd