Hamas ties ceasefire to blockade

[Ulysses G.]

"The Palestinians are not interested in merely a deterence against the IDF, they want to destroy Israel."
 
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"Thanks for some level-headed, impartial comments"
 
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More like indisputable FACTS.

[up-country_sinclair]

 

 

As far as lifting blockades, do you think it was rational of Hamas to go for this by launching a war they knew they couldn't win militarily?

 

 

Hamas didn't start this war, Netanyahu did. 

 

In May, Israel reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles the offshore limit of Gaza fishermen---and fired on boats that exceeded this arbitrary boundary and arrested the fishermen.  This was clearly an attempt to force Hamas to break the 2012 cease fire.

 

Then when the new government was sworn in on June 1, Israel announced 3,300 new housing starts in the West Bank.  This was nothing but a provocation.  Think about it just for one minute....the very day of your new government, someone with whom you're having a land dispute says, "Oh, we're going to build 3,300 houses on land that you and UN say is yours".

 

Those Israeli kids were killed on June 12 and Israel knew that Hamas HQ wasn't involved but it still rounded up 500 Hamas officials and representatives.

 

On July 1 the bodies of the Israeli kids were found and Israel launched 34 airstrikes on Gaza.

 

On July 7 Hamas responded with missiles.
 

 

Israel wanted this war, and it did anything/everything that was necessary to start it.  The world knows this, and history will too.

 

 

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118846/israel-palestine-history-behind-their-new-war

Edited July 31, 2014 by up-country_sinclair

[Ulysses G.]

As far as lifting blockades, do you think it was rational of Hamas to go for this by launching a war they knew they couldn't win militarily?

 
 
Hamas didn't start this war, Netanyahu did. 
 
In May, Israel reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles the offshore limit of Gaza fishermen---and fired on boats that exceeded this arbitrary boundary and arrested the fishermen.  This was clearly an attempt to force Hamas to break the 2012 cease fire.

Huh? They have been shooting rockets non-stop for years. How could Netanyahu
attempt to get them to break a ceasefire that they already mostly ignored?

Since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, terrorists have fired more than 11,000 rockets into Israel. Over 5 million Israelis are currently living under threat of rocket attacks.
http://www.idfblog.com/facts-figures/rocket-attacks-toward-israel/

[arjunadawn]

The clearly stated objectives of Hamas are not so funny. Yes they are deeply anti-semitic and reveal genocidal intentions towards Jews. They don't even try to hide it. 

 

As far as lifting blockades, do you think it was rational of Hamas to go for this by launching a war they knew they couldn't win militarily? Yes, they are winning the international "PR" war, that's true, but if Israel caves in it will be giving the wrong message to any more rational Palestinian players in future. Just play the Hamas insane game and you will win. Israel can't do that. Israel shouldn't do that. 

 

Do people recall what events led to the blockade? No, I doubt many do. When ships flying false flags were routing significant arms Israel responded and blockaded. People forget Gaza is not surrounded by Israel; there is an entire access from another Muslim country. Why do you suppose they are having problems with the Egyptians too? Because the stated and practical objectives of Hamas are anathema to any regional peace- ever, and the destruction of any moderate Muslim State players would follow quickly on Israel's demise.

[Morch]

 

 

 

There are plenty more accounts of journalists being threatened by Hamas, they have also been caught storing weapons in a third UN school and a Palestinian missile fell short onto a hospital killing ten, but you will not hear of this in the MSN except perhaps as an afterthought at the bottom of a news report.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/29/THIRD-Rocket-Arsenal-Found-At-UN-School-In-Gaza



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The IDF has a policy of intimidation and murdering journalists - everyone knows this.  

 

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/attacked.html

 

 

 

Everyone who subscribes to spreading nonsense, that is.

Reporters Without Borders feels differently, though: http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php

 

Some of the stories in the link provided by you refer to the same event, others go back 10 years and more.

Doesn't seem like a very successful policy so far. That is, if there ever was one to begin with.

 

[Morch]

 

 

 

As far as lifting blockades, do you think it was rational of Hamas to go for this by launching a war they knew they couldn't win militarily?

 

 

Hamas didn't start this war, Netanyahu did. 

 

In May, Israel reduced from 6 miles to 3 miles the offshore limit of Gaza fishermen---and fired on boats that exceeded this arbitrary boundary and arrested the fishermen.  This was clearly an attempt to force Hamas to break the 2012 cease fire.

 

Then when the new government was sworn in on June 1, Israel announced 3,300 new housing starts in the West Bank.  This was nothing but a provocation.  Think about it just for one minute....the very day of your new government, someone with whom you're having a land dispute says, "Oh, we're going to build 3,300 houses on land that you and UN say is yours".

 

Those Israeli kids were killed on June 12 and Israel knew that Hamas HQ wasn't involved but it still rounded up 500 Hamas officials and representatives.

 

On July 1 the bodies of the Israeli kids were found and Israel launched 34 airstrikes on Gaza.

 

On July 7 Hamas responded with missiles.
 

 

Israel wanted this war, and it did anything/everything that was necessary to start it.  The world knows this, and history will too.

 

 

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118846/israel-palestine-history-behind-their-new-war

 

 

How was The PA/Hamas reconciliation announcement, without the Hamas dropping its armed struggle against Israel,

not a provocation in itself?
 

[Morch]

 

 

 

Whist i feel sorrow for the ordinary Palestinian people's in this war, they need to come to the realisation that having Hamas as leaders or even sharing leadership will never bring about a peaceful solution to the problems. You cannot bring a terrorist organisation who openly admit their aim is the destruction of the Jewish State to the bargaining table.

 

So who else will resist the Zionist occupation and blockade, or get them their land back. You cannot bring a terrorist government who openly refuse to hand back stolen land to the bargaining table.

 

People, ask yourselves - what choices do the Palestinians have to get their land back? 

 

Unless there is an answer to that question, and progress with a solution, Hamas will continue to flourish - after all, no one wants to live with the Zionists jackboots pinning their faces to the ground.

 

While there is occupation, and no just solution to the "right of return", all resistance is not only valid, but needs to supported by the international community

 

 

 

People, ask yourselves - what choices do the Palestinians have to get their land back?

 

I'll make it easy for you! It's a very simple choice, all they have to do is accept the state of Israel's right to exist, lay down their arms and make peace. Then they the Palestinians would have their land and economic prosperity. 

 

 

But People, ask yourselves, Do the Palestinians really want peace? If they elect Hamas as their leaders? Probably not.  It's very easy for Meshaal to say no ceasefire, he's in Qatar far away from the fighting  safe in his hotel, while his People are suffering.

 

 

That's what I call really brave.

 

 

 

 

 

Wooweeee ! You have found the solution. The same as the Oslo accords, which the PLO accepted - largely - back in the early 90s. The Israeli right wing then killed Rabin to stop him finding peace with Palestine. And the Zionists then brought in right wingers and Zionist supporters, like Netanyahu - and (probably) assassinated Arafat. If the land grab of the Western Bank by Zionists was stopped, the other substantive issues (right of return and/or compensation, security, etc)  could be approached with some good will. The theft of Palestinian land is the key issue, as it would be if Palestine or Egypt of Jordan were stealing Israeli land.

 

But on a related topic, how on earth could any responsible government that sincerely wanted peace offer a Cabinet position to someone as blatantly a war-mongering racist as Avigdor Lieberman? Foreign Minister??? Responsible for international relations? It is of course impossible to accept that Israel has a peaceful agenda while people with perspectives such as Lieberman are Israel's leaders.

 

 

Are you actually making a distinction between the late Rabin and Zionists? Is this to be interpreted as saying that in your

opinion Rabin was not a Zionist? I am pretty sure he always defined himself as such and would probably be pissed to be

called anything else.

 

Nice low balling of a conspiracy theory about Arafat's death ("probably".....right).

 

The concept that land should be returned and them pesky other issues settled later is not a real proposition and not even

something the Palestinians are exactly interested in. Making a partial permanent move without ironing out key issues did

not work out that well when it came to the Israeli Gaza Strip withdrawal. Same thing with southern Lebanon.

 

I do not think anyone in their right mind claims the current Israeli government is sincerely interested in peace. The current

political balance is tricky and the composition of the coalition and the government reflects that. While center, or moderate

parties are coalition partners, they mostly seem to be playing this while keeping a close watch over voter opinion polls.

 

 

[Ulysses G.]

Most Arabs think that some of them poisoned Arafat. Blaming the Jews is a conspiracy theory indeed.